mark almost hammered the point home earlier in ep2 about larry being 300 pounds of muscle /piledriver so imo it was pretty obvious even with out being spoiled that larry was going to 'die'
question: is it possible for larry to actually turn and attack you in that scene ?
I tried everything else before chopping off his leg. Hitting the trap, the chains, even tried to chop tree lol. Decided it was better to have him amputated rather than dieing by the zombies.
In the meat locker I immediately choose kennys side because I wanted Larry gone for a looooong time anyway and feared if I chose helping Lilly might make Larry survive lol. I never feared him turning into a zombie, that was no reason for me. After my first playthrough I always side with Lilly because Larry will die either way (yay) and Kenny turns out to be an asshole.
I didn't try to open the trap because Mark said it was rigged so there was no way to open it. I tried hitting the chain a couple times and then went at the leg and got him out.
I sided with Kenny in the meat locker because he was right. We couldn't take the chance in Larry turning and us being trapped in there with him. I'm looking out for the group (especially Clem) and if it means killing someone to keep us safe, then so be it. Easy choice for me.
I previously answered chopped off leg and sided with Kenny.
It did occur to me he could die of blood loss from the amputated leg, however the trap was not coming off and the walkers were closing. Even if he had a 20% chance of surviving the amputation, he had a 0% chance of fighting off 10 walkers unarmed in a bear trap so at least chopping off his leg gave him a chance of life.
I left the teacher in the woods, I know this seems cold but he was done for anyway and I knew if we did save him he would be another liability in the group.( And I didnt want to chop his leg off LOL, that's just nasty!)
However If there woulda been an option to shoot him b4 we left I would have.:D
I tried to free the teacher, but found that was not going to happen. So I just left him there, :eek: but not by my choice. If I was in that situation I would have put a bullet in his head because that's what I would want if it was me. Too bad we didn't have that option.
I sided with Lily in the meat locker because she was there. Just seemed to cruel to murder her father right in front of her. Now if she wasn't in there with us I would have sided with Kenny and crushed his skull in and told her later that he turned before we whacked him.
i chopped the leg straight away, mark(i think) said the trap was modified and would take ages to take off plus i noticed straight away that it had a massive chain wrapped around a tree i figured it was the quickest way to save everybody( i wanted to help but didnt want to get anybody killed) and his leg was coming off anyway (no hospital + beartraps are brutal) i didnt think it would take more than one swing but still it was quick.
i picked up the salt block and smashed larrys skull, because he was dead, we had been told we were all infected, and from previous experience i knew lerry could knock me and kenny out in 1 punch and he would be more dangerous as a zombie, i had a quick think about resuscitation (never really thought about it before) and i wasn't willing to test my theory that you may change the instant you die it just takes a while for you to get up, so it was to risky, and i thought i might have to kill or let them die if they knew my past (not Clementine but carly was gone) so it worked out.
-Did you try to cut off the teacher's leg? (regardless of if you were successful or not!)
-Did you end up saving the teacher, or did fiddling around mean you left the teacher to die?
-Did you side with Lilly, or with Kenny in the meat locker?
First playthrough i didnt try anything else, didnt see other options. So ya, i saved him.
I sided with Lilly. I always try to play this game and make choices based on how i would have made them if i was there personally.
So this is a telltale game, and they dont know enough anatomy, medicine and so on. So i guess anything is possible.
But when Larry dropped from that heart attack, and he stopped breathing so fast (and no pulse?) he was gone. We are talking big shit heart attack.
Even if you had 4 paramedics and a doctor there to handle medications he would maybe at best have a 5% chanse of survival.
And in this situation we had no defibrillator that is always required to restart a heart.
So what do you do? The safest thing would obviously be to bash his head in.
Lilly knows as little anatomy/medicine as telltale do, and she is doing cpr wrong...
So my decision is not about Larry at all.
Even when you know its over, the only right thing to do in such a situation is to "try" and give Lilly time to understand that this is over.
For those of you who dont get it, look up the word "empathy".
You keep trying to give the familly and friends left behind time to understand that you tried, you did everything you could, but it wasnt possible to bring him or her back.
I liked this scene in the game. Allthought telltale could have done some basic research.
So for those of you who think the worse part of driving an ambulance is what you see. Brain, blood, liver, lung, heart or a combination of those. Its not.
Its the familly sitting behind you when you try to revive a person.
At some point you know its over, but they dont.
Sorry if this has been asked b4 but @ the beginning of EP1 after you shoot the cop. Is the person you yell out to for help Clem? It sure looks like her.:D
Sorry if this has been asked b4 but @ the beginning of EP1 after you shoot the cop. Is the person you yell out to for help Clem? It sure looks like her.:D
Yeah, my first playthrough of episode two, I chopped off the teacher's leg immediately. Mark had said that the trap had been altered and no release latch was present.
I sided with Kenny in the Meat locker. I was worried if "Asshole Larry" came back as a Zombie that a hulking 6'4" muscle zombie would hurt Clem or something but I also thought about our own needs. Kenny wasn't happy with me in my playthrough and I needed to get on his RV.
If it was anyone else, I may have waited to see if they turned or if they were alive but Asshole Larry's size was a huge factor!.
I left the teacher in the woods, I know this seems cold but he was done for anyway and I knew if we did save him he would be another liability in the group.( And I didnt want to chop his leg off LOL, that's just nasty!)
However If there woulda been an option to shoot him b4 we left I would have.:D
So you figured that he was going to die no matter what, and left him there..ouch!
Also, who did you side with in the meat locker - Lilly or Kenny?
First playthrough i didnt try anything else, didnt see other options. So ya, i saved him.
I sided with Lilly. I always try to play this game and make choices based on how i would have made them if i was there personally.
So this is a telltale game, and they dont know enough anatomy, medicine and so on. So i guess anything is possible.
But when Larry dropped from that heart attack, and he stopped breathing so fast (and no pulse?) he was gone. We are talking big shit heart attack.
Even if you had 4 paramedics and a doctor there to handle medications he would maybe at best have a 5% chanse of survival.
And in this situation we had no defibrillator that is always required to restart a heart.
So what do you do? The safest thing would obviously be to bash his head in.
Lilly knows as little anatomy/medicine as telltale do, and she is doing cpr wrong...
So my decision is not about Larry at all.
Even when you know its over, the only right thing to do in such a situation is to "try" and give Lilly time to understand that this is over.
For those of you who dont get it, look up the word "empathy".
You keep trying to give the familly and friends left behind time to understand that you tried, you did everything you could, but it wasnt possible to bring him or her back.
I liked this scene in the game. Allthought telltale could have done some basic research.
So for those of you who think the worse part of driving an ambulance is what you see. Brain, blood, liver, lung, heart or a combination of those. Its not.
Its the familly sitting behind you when you try to revive a person.
At some point you know its over, but they dont.
The whole point of siding with Kenny is that there isno time to let Lilly grieve. A few more minutes of exhausting oneself attempting CPR would not have been enough time for Lilly to come to terms with her Father's death, but it certainly was enough time for Larry to turn into a walker and f*** up your s***. So I don't personally believe that the decision was whether you are capable of empathy or not. It was more of a pragmatic vs. idealist type scenario.
Back to the purpose of this thread, did you think that the teacher was going to die anyway?
The whole point of siding with Kenny is that there isno time to let Lilly grieve. A few more minutes of exhausting oneself attempting CPR would not have been enough time for Lilly to come to terms with her Father's death, but it certainly was enough time for Larry to turn into a walker and f*** up your s***. So I don't personally believe that the decision was whether you are capable of empathy or not. It was more of a pragmatic vs. idealist type scenario.
Back to the purpose of this thread, did you think that the teacher was going to die anyway?
i didnt think he would for sure, he already had a tourniquet on his leg, i knew he would loose his leg one way or another though(bear traps are bad and no surgeon or hospital), so chopping it of was the logical choice in the time frame we had
I think I tried the chain first and then went for his leg, fairly sure it took me 3-4 turns before he was free. Easy choice to make having watched the tv series and that 'lovely' scene from the first Saw film. He might not survive afterwards but at least he still had a chance once you were away from the walkers.
I sided with Lily in the locker. I can't remember exactly what it was but I think Kenny had done something to annoy me by then so it made sense to try and appeal to Lily along with not looking evil in front of Clem.
I tried to hit the chain first, but I believe Mark said something about the chain resembling those used at the base at which he was stationed. I said eff that noise, and went to town on that teacher's leg with an axe. I want as many people as possible with me in the zombie apocalypse; your odds of survival are higher when there are many targets, and each new group member brings unique information/talents to the group. The teacher would have provided something for the group, even if that thing was merely the certainty of being eaten first. I succeeded in lopping his leg off, as I was quick to hit it when I felt as though the chain couldn't be broken. I think it was close, but I'm not too sure. It did occur to me that he might die from the blood loss, but I thought it was an acceptable risk. The dude reanimates and he's missing a leg, like, can't we just walk away from him?
I snap sided with Kenny in the meat locker. What the hell was Lilly going to do for Larry? Politely ask him to stop being dead? I had to think of four people in that meat locker and I believe I made the best decision for those four; Lilly was making a decision for two people, and one of those was a corpse on the floor. I hated his s*** and I let him know that. I gave the axe to Mark, I didn't feed Larry, and I told him I was sick of his attitude. That being said, I didn't particularly want him to die, but I sure as hell wasn't letting him reanimate and put all of our lives in danger.
It's all about correctly assessing the risk in relation to potential reward. What's the risk of chopping this teacher's leg off and trying to patch him up? You can lose a great deal of blood before you die, and I thought one of us would put a tourniquet on him, so I felt as though he could be saved, and the potential benefits outweighed the mild risk. With Larry, there was no upside. How were we going to get his heart going again? Where were his meds? Was he going to help us escape or just have another heart attack when we get out of the door? What's the downside of caving his head in with a salt lick?
As someone who bought the game as soon as it came out, and has done a number of play throughs with friends I Love this Game!
I am completely emotionally invested in each an every one of these characters.
Thus In the stress-filled moments working at getting the teacher out I Didn't see not cutting off his leg as a choice. (Seriously, after the episode i saw the stats and was like "What!? We could have not cut off his leg!?)
Anyway, I've Put my personality into what Lee is becoming, and I simply could never EVER see myself letting another human being die like that...
I Let a friend of mine play the game at my house, and (I felt ridiculous after, but) Felt sick to my stomach, as he clicked as fast as he could to pull Lilly away from the most important thing in her entire life...
Obviously I myself tried to save Larry. And now I Know I'll cringe each time I play when I see at that last moment (and you can see this) that Larry begins to wake up, only to die right there...
Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.
Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.
As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.
Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:
What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?
Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D
Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.
Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.
As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.
Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:
What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?
Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D
that is very interesting, I'm a ruthless Kenny supporter lol, but empathy was involved, if i was the teacher and the people that could help me couldn't take the trap off and were going to leave at any moment, i would ask them to cut my leg off, and if i was a father in a locked room with my child, i would rather have my head smashed in than eat and kill my daughter, but maybe that's just me, and i'm ruthless.
I tried to save the teacher by cutting the chain and messing with the trap. I got 2 cuts into his leg, but it was too late to save him. With the meat locker, I tried to save Larry, as I've always done my best to try and save lives, no matter what.
I tried to hit the chain first, but I believe Mark said something about the chain resembling those used at the base at which he was stationed. I said eff that noise, and went to town on that teacher's leg with an axe. I want as many people as possible with me in the zombie apocalypse; your odds of survival are higher when there are many targets, and each new group member brings unique information/talents to the group. The teacher would have provided something for the group, even if that thing was merely the certainty of being eaten first. I succeeded in lopping his leg off, as I was quick to hit it when I felt as though the chain couldn't be broken. I think it was close, but I'm not too sure. It did occur to me that he might die from the blood loss, but I thought it was an acceptable risk. The dude reanimates and he's missing a leg, like, can't we just walk away from him?
I snap sided with Kenny in the meat locker. What the hell was Lilly going to do for Larry? Politely ask him to stop being dead? I had to think of four people in that meat locker and I believe I made the best decision for those four; Lilly was making a decision for two people, and one of those was a corpse on the floor. I hated his s*** and I let him know that. I gave the axe to Mark, I didn't feed Larry, and I told him I was sick of his attitude. That being said, I didn't particularly want him to die, but I sure as hell wasn't letting him reanimate and put all of our lives in danger.
It's all about correctly assessing the risk in relation to potential reward. What's the risk of chopping this teacher's leg off and trying to patch him up? You can lose a great deal of blood before you die, and I thought one of us would put a tourniquet on him, so I felt as though he could be saved, and the potential benefits outweighed the mild risk. With Larry, there was no upside. How were we going to get his heart going again? Where were his meds? Was he going to help us escape or just have another heart attack when we get out of the door? What's the downside of caving his head in with a salt lick?
Well, the teacher is really a Band director, so judging purely based on his job, he wouldn't be much help. Besides, Lee is a teacher.
In my first playthrough, I didn't even realise the teacher in the trap was a choice. I tried to lever the trap open with the axe, looked at the chain when someone shouted but missed the hotpoint, then decided the only option was the Saw option. After what happened, and seeing it was a decision point, I expected the alternative would be to shoot him, which I thought would be more merciful, so I tried the various things around the trap, ran out the clock and was unpleasantly surprised. If I did it again, going on the knowledge Lee would have had at the time, I'd have taken his leg off again - my philosophy for Lee being to give people a chance at survival if they want to take it (in the first game, Irene had clearly decided she was looking at a fate worse than death - I chose to mercy-kill her).
Similarly, I sided with Lilly in the meatlocker, even knowing that with no defibrillator and no drugs, Larry's chances were slim to none - I figured we could at least give him a chance and still be able to protect ourselves once we knew for sure, much like with Duck back at the drugstore - and how I wanted to bring that up - "We always give our people a chance. That's why Duck's still here."
As a EMT, CPR has a extremely low chance of jump starting a heart (I wanna say like 6% or less off the top of my head). It's basically used to prolong life until we can introduce drugs and hope that it's a shockable rhythm. I chose to help kenny my first play through, it was the only thing logical to protect our group in the freezer. You wouldn't know when or how long you would have before he turned.
As a EMT, CPR has a extremely low chance of jump starting a heart (I wanna say like 6% or less off the top of my head). It's basically used to prolong life until we can introduce drugs and hope that it's a shockable rhythm. I chose to help kenny my first play through, it was the only thing logical to protect our group in the freezer. You wouldn't know when or how long you would have before he turned.
Did you also cut off the teacher's leg? Were you successful in freeing the teacher from the bear trap?
I actually didn't cut off the teachers leg, but only because I ran out of time. It had been so long since I'd played the first episode that I'd forgotten how the interface works and I just kept clicking 'look at things' and wondering why Lee wasn't doing anything. When I figured out what I was doing wrong I tried the alternatives to cutting his leg off and when I realised I was getting nowhere I clicked to cut his leg off and that's when Kenny told me we had to leave.
I'm a Clementine supporter. to hell with this feud
Trying hard not to make this into another "Hatfield-McCoy" thread. We already have plenty of those!
I'm just really interested in why people make the choices they do, and I'm trying to compare their decisions to other ones within the game that are similar to each other. Right now the theme is kind of "who deserves to live/die?". I might do more comparison threads as new issues come up.:)
Alright, been getting a lot of partial answers, and I'm thinking that's because people are only reading the OP (even then some aren't giving all the information!). So, now I updated the OP to reflect the other parts of the discussion I have been adding. Keep following and responding!
Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?
I didn't give irene the gun in episode one because I thought I could talk her out of killing herself.
I tied to free the teacher by hitting the trap. When that didn't work, I cut his leg off to save his life and we took him to the motel where he was put in the truck.
As for the meatlocker scene, I wholeheatedly wanted Larry to die. if I could of killed him myself, I would of. I risked my life for him in episode one and he tried to kill me by knocking me out around a bunch of zombies. I'm supposed to give him an axe in episode 2? get real.
I know he's setup to be a 1 dimentional character, but you never get the choice to confront him or put him in his palce. So in Chapter 2, I didn't bother talking to him at all. I mean, you know already how every conversation with him will turn out as he just repeats the same thing over and over again like a broken record. I'm glad he out of the game becuase he wan't interesting, just annoying. I can see that his daughter will be the next annoying character in the next chapter and I can already tell what her conversation tree is going to be like. No thnaks telltale, you failed on that front.
My goal in the game is simple: try to save every life. If the NPCs try to kill me, they are dead.
It also seems like your choices have zero inpact on the dialogue which is a shame. In episode one, I saved the kid, gave him food, sided with Kenny and his family all the way. I got thanks for it and now in chapter 2, Kenny kepps including me in his rant about "everyone thought Duck had been bitten" (not true) and he's giving me flack for not siding with him (again, not true).
it's either sloppy writing or bad programming for not taking your choices into account.
i said what if she turns and follows us and told carley to give her the gun, carley wasn't convinced so i told her to shoot her herself, but in the end she handed over the gun, and i said "i am with you" (or something similar) i think letting her kill herself was the nicest thing you could do, given the circumstances
With the Teacher I tried cutting the chain off, and when Mark said that it was rigged I went to cut his leg off. I felt that it was better than leaving him to the horde of walkers and at least try to help the man.
In the locker I sided with Kenny because I had sided with Kenny before and I like him because of his family values and he seems to be a good guy trying to save them. Mainly though I sided with Kenny because I was afraid Larry would come back as a walker and that would be a bad situation to be in. It was a hard decision but it had to be done to save the group, Kenny's wife, and kid from those cannibals. From my characters viewpoint someone as Larry that suffered that hard of a heart attack would most likely die and Lee had no idea how fast they would reanimate back.
When I was fighting Danny and needed help I wasn't surprised that I didn't get any help from Lilly bc of what had been done. I would be happy to see her leave the group in episode three but that's just me.
With the girl Irene I didn't want to give her the gun, and tried to talk her out of it but she ended up killing herself.
Not to go off topic but I don't see how everyone see's Kenny as an asshole, besides him and Lilly arguing all the time I don't see it? After all the action he told me that he wanted me and Clem to ride with him because we are good friends.
I was happy with this episode and felt that I did the right thing even though it was hard to do.
Not to go off topic but I don't see how everyone see's Kenny as an asshole, besides him and Lilly arguing all the time I don't see it? After all the action he told me that he wanted me and Clem to ride with him because we are good friends.
i'm not sure why people don't like him, even on a playthrough when i was on lillys side he basically saved my life twice, once after larry punched me even though i tried my hardest to kill his son (good man) and then in the meatlocker.
but if you side with kenny lilly just watches to see you die after you call for help.
so what if kenny has a go at you for not helping his son, you should feel bad you just tried to kill or just watch as larry try to kill a child
i'm not sure why people don't like him, even on a playthrough when i was on lillys side he basically saved my life twice, once after larry punched me even though i tried my hardest to kill his son (good man) and then in the meatlocker.
but if you side with kenny lilly just watches to see you die after you call for help.
so what if kenny has a go at you for not helping his son, you should feel bad you just tried to kill or just watch as larry try to kill a child
So you are saying that you were for killing his son but he still saved you? Sorry Im a little lost haha.
I tried the chain (twice), ****ed with the trap once, used the wood branch, then, "Sorry buddy... *chop chop chop*"
Second time, I tried to chop down the tree! Didn't work. So he got left behind that time.
I did side with Lilly because it would be a douchey thing to not try. ****ing Kenny. I'm sorry, the look on his face wasn't one of fear/hesitation. It looked like deliberate, "**** you buddy, you are getting shot cause you didn't help me kill Larry. Plus you aren't urban enough to pick a locked door."
I already know I want to go off-script in Ep3 and just push Kenny under the train (the apocalypse has created a drastic shortage of buses to push people under).
I tried the chain (twice), ****ed with the trap once, used the wood branch, then, "Sorry buddy... *chop chop chop*"
Second time, I tried to chop down the tree! Didn't work. So he got left behind that time.
I did side with Lilly because it would be a douchey thing to not try. ****ing Kenny. I'm sorry, the look on his face wasn't one of fear/hesitation. It looked like deliberate, "**** you buddy, you are getting shot cause you didn't help me kill Larry. Plus you aren't urban enough to pick a locked door."
I already know I want to go off-script in Ep3 and just push Kenny under the train (the apocalypse has created a drastic shortage of buses to push people under).
So basically if you go against him at all he becomes a jerk to you? Sorry I just bought the game and did my first play through today. Really enjoying it though.:D
So you are saying that you were for killing his son but he still saved you? Sorry Im a little lost haha.
yes (i actually thought i could have killed or thrown duck outside in the game at the time), because that is what good people do, it doesn't matter how you treat them, they will do the right thing and help
To everyone who decided to chop off the teachers leg, did it occur to you that he might die from the loss of the leg? (If you didn't chop off the teacher's leg, was it because you didn't want to risk his life by removing the leg?)
What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?
1. I didn't consider whether or not her would die later. I did notice the tourniquet. I also don't get why Lee decided to cut it off at the thigh, near some of the largest veins and arteries. I think mid calf would have sufficed. I think what I mostly thought is that no one should die being eaten alive. Also, not knowing that death = zombie, I thought leaving him behind would just mean that FOR SURE he would become a zombie if he got semi eaten and that's no good. We have enough to protect ourselves from.
2. That one doesn't immediately go unconsious from a heart attack, at least not the one you can bounce back from without major surgery. That was a MAJOR heart attack, one he'd been staving off with nitroglicerin for months. Frankly, it looked more like a stroke to me than a heart attack. Even worse. I agreed with Kenny that we couldn't take the risk, and dragged Lily away. Felt like I was putting down a kid's favorite dog because it had rabies. It hurts, but it's got to be done. On my second play through, I helped Lilly. Honestly, though, a rescue breath hadn't been given. We were just moving his blood around (technically). And CPR is not going to unblock an artery. I thought at best, he would come back brain damaged, paralyzed, or in a coma. He was gone.
Alright, been getting a lot of partial answers, and I'm thinking that's because people are only reading the OP (even then some aren't giving all the information!). So, now I updated the OP to reflect the other parts of the discussion I have been adding. Keep following and responding!
Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?
I did not give her the gun. She was satisfied with being locked up till death until she saw our gun. I wanted the option to shoot her myself. I think I thought if I said "no, you can't have a gun," I'd get to take her out. (Mercy Kill). I like mercy kills. I don't like suicides.
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question: is it possible for larry to actually turn and attack you in that scene ?
In the meat locker I immediately choose kennys side because I wanted Larry gone for a looooong time anyway and feared if I chose helping Lilly might make Larry survive lol. I never feared him turning into a zombie, that was no reason for me. After my first playthrough I always side with Lilly because Larry will die either way (yay) and Kenny turns out to be an asshole.
In my other Doug save and my Carly save I chopped off the leg and sided with Lilly
I sided with Kenny in the meat locker because he was right. We couldn't take the chance in Larry turning and us being trapped in there with him. I'm looking out for the group (especially Clem) and if it means killing someone to keep us safe, then so be it. Easy choice for me.
It did occur to me he could die of blood loss from the amputated leg, however the trap was not coming off and the walkers were closing. Even if he had a 20% chance of surviving the amputation, he had a 0% chance of fighting off 10 walkers unarmed in a bear trap so at least chopping off his leg gave him a chance of life.
However If there woulda been an option to shoot him b4 we left I would have.:D
I sided with Lily in the meat locker because she was there. Just seemed to cruel to murder her father right in front of her. Now if she wasn't in there with us I would have sided with Kenny and crushed his skull in and told her later that he turned before we whacked him.
i picked up the salt block and smashed larrys skull, because he was dead, we had been told we were all infected, and from previous experience i knew lerry could knock me and kenny out in 1 punch and he would be more dangerous as a zombie, i had a quick think about resuscitation (never really thought about it before) and i wasn't willing to test my theory that you may change the instant you die it just takes a while for you to get up, so it was to risky, and i thought i might have to kill or let them die if they knew my past (not Clementine but carly was gone) so it worked out.
First playthrough i didnt try anything else, didnt see other options. So ya, i saved him.
I sided with Lilly. I always try to play this game and make choices based on how i would have made them if i was there personally.
So this is a telltale game, and they dont know enough anatomy, medicine and so on. So i guess anything is possible.
But when Larry dropped from that heart attack, and he stopped breathing so fast (and no pulse?) he was gone. We are talking big shit heart attack.
Even if you had 4 paramedics and a doctor there to handle medications he would maybe at best have a 5% chanse of survival.
And in this situation we had no defibrillator that is always required to restart a heart.
So what do you do? The safest thing would obviously be to bash his head in.
Lilly knows as little anatomy/medicine as telltale do, and she is doing cpr wrong...
So my decision is not about Larry at all.
Even when you know its over, the only right thing to do in such a situation is to "try" and give Lilly time to understand that this is over.
For those of you who dont get it, look up the word "empathy".
You keep trying to give the familly and friends left behind time to understand that you tried, you did everything you could, but it wasnt possible to bring him or her back.
I liked this scene in the game. Allthought telltale could have done some basic research.
So for those of you who think the worse part of driving an ambulance is what you see. Brain, blood, liver, lung, heart or a combination of those. Its not.
Its the familly sitting behind you when you try to revive a person.
At some point you know its over, but they dont.
yeah its her i think, unless its her twin sister
I sided with Kenny in the Meat locker. I was worried if "Asshole Larry" came back as a Zombie that a hulking 6'4" muscle zombie would hurt Clem or something but I also thought about our own needs. Kenny wasn't happy with me in my playthrough and I needed to get on his RV.
If it was anyone else, I may have waited to see if they turned or if they were alive but Asshole Larry's size was a huge factor!.
I have a few parts of my playthrough on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O-poOnvHcE (Ep 2. Part 1)
So you figured that he was going to die no matter what, and left him there..ouch!
Also, who did you side with in the meat locker - Lilly or Kenny?
The whole point of siding with Kenny is that there is no time to let Lilly grieve. A few more minutes of exhausting oneself attempting CPR would not have been enough time for Lilly to come to terms with her Father's death, but it certainly was enough time for Larry to turn into a walker and f*** up your s***. So I don't personally believe that the decision was whether you are capable of empathy or not. It was more of a pragmatic vs. idealist type scenario.
Back to the purpose of this thread, did you think that the teacher was going to die anyway?
i didnt think he would for sure, he already had a tourniquet on his leg, i knew he would loose his leg one way or another though(bear traps are bad and no surgeon or hospital), so chopping it of was the logical choice in the time frame we had
I sided with Lily in the locker. I can't remember exactly what it was but I think Kenny had done something to annoy me by then so it made sense to try and appeal to Lily along with not looking evil in front of Clem.
I snap sided with Kenny in the meat locker. What the hell was Lilly going to do for Larry? Politely ask him to stop being dead? I had to think of four people in that meat locker and I believe I made the best decision for those four; Lilly was making a decision for two people, and one of those was a corpse on the floor. I hated his s*** and I let him know that. I gave the axe to Mark, I didn't feed Larry, and I told him I was sick of his attitude. That being said, I didn't particularly want him to die, but I sure as hell wasn't letting him reanimate and put all of our lives in danger.
It's all about correctly assessing the risk in relation to potential reward. What's the risk of chopping this teacher's leg off and trying to patch him up? You can lose a great deal of blood before you die, and I thought one of us would put a tourniquet on him, so I felt as though he could be saved, and the potential benefits outweighed the mild risk. With Larry, there was no upside. How were we going to get his heart going again? Where were his meds? Was he going to help us escape or just have another heart attack when we get out of the door? What's the downside of caving his head in with a salt lick?
I am completely emotionally invested in each an every one of these characters.
Thus In the stress-filled moments working at getting the teacher out I Didn't see not cutting off his leg as a choice. (Seriously, after the episode i saw the stats and was like "What!? We could have not cut off his leg!?)
Anyway, I've Put my personality into what Lee is becoming, and I simply could never EVER see myself letting another human being die like that...
I Let a friend of mine play the game at my house, and (I felt ridiculous after, but) Felt sick to my stomach, as he clicked as fast as he could to pull Lilly away from the most important thing in her entire life...
Obviously I myself tried to save Larry. And now I Know I'll cringe each time I play when I see at that last moment (and you can see this) that Larry begins to wake up, only to die right there...
Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.
As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.
Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:
What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?
Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D
that is very interesting, I'm a ruthless Kenny supporter lol, but empathy was involved, if i was the teacher and the people that could help me couldn't take the trap off and were going to leave at any moment, i would ask them to cut my leg off, and if i was a father in a locked room with my child, i would rather have my head smashed in than eat and kill my daughter, but maybe that's just me, and i'm ruthless.
Well, the teacher is really a Band director, so judging purely based on his job, he wouldn't be much help. Besides, Lee is a teacher.
Similarly, I sided with Lilly in the meatlocker, even knowing that with no defibrillator and no drugs, Larry's chances were slim to none - I figured we could at least give him a chance and still be able to protect ourselves once we knew for sure, much like with Duck back at the drugstore - and how I wanted to bring that up - "We always give our people a chance. That's why Duck's still here."
Did you also cut off the teacher's leg? Were you successful in freeing the teacher from the bear trap?
Trying hard not to make this into another "Hatfield-McCoy" thread. We already have plenty of those!
I'm just really interested in why people make the choices they do, and I'm trying to compare their decisions to other ones within the game that are similar to each other. Right now the theme is kind of "who deserves to live/die?". I might do more comparison threads as new issues come up.:)
Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?
I tied to free the teacher by hitting the trap. When that didn't work, I cut his leg off to save his life and we took him to the motel where he was put in the truck.
As for the meatlocker scene, I wholeheatedly wanted Larry to die. if I could of killed him myself, I would of. I risked my life for him in episode one and he tried to kill me by knocking me out around a bunch of zombies. I'm supposed to give him an axe in episode 2? get real.
I know he's setup to be a 1 dimentional character, but you never get the choice to confront him or put him in his palce. So in Chapter 2, I didn't bother talking to him at all. I mean, you know already how every conversation with him will turn out as he just repeats the same thing over and over again like a broken record. I'm glad he out of the game becuase he wan't interesting, just annoying. I can see that his daughter will be the next annoying character in the next chapter and I can already tell what her conversation tree is going to be like. No thnaks telltale, you failed on that front.
My goal in the game is simple: try to save every life. If the NPCs try to kill me, they are dead.
It also seems like your choices have zero inpact on the dialogue which is a shame. In episode one, I saved the kid, gave him food, sided with Kenny and his family all the way. I got thanks for it and now in chapter 2, Kenny kepps including me in his rant about "everyone thought Duck had been bitten" (not true) and he's giving me flack for not siding with him (again, not true).
it's either sloppy writing or bad programming for not taking your choices into account.
In the locker I sided with Kenny because I had sided with Kenny before and I like him because of his family values and he seems to be a good guy trying to save them. Mainly though I sided with Kenny because I was afraid Larry would come back as a walker and that would be a bad situation to be in. It was a hard decision but it had to be done to save the group, Kenny's wife, and kid from those cannibals. From my characters viewpoint someone as Larry that suffered that hard of a heart attack would most likely die and Lee had no idea how fast they would reanimate back.
When I was fighting Danny and needed help I wasn't surprised that I didn't get any help from Lilly bc of what had been done. I would be happy to see her leave the group in episode three but that's just me.
With the girl Irene I didn't want to give her the gun, and tried to talk her out of it but she ended up killing herself.
Not to go off topic but I don't see how everyone see's Kenny as an asshole, besides him and Lilly arguing all the time I don't see it? After all the action he told me that he wanted me and Clem to ride with him because we are good friends.
I was happy with this episode and felt that I did the right thing even though it was hard to do.
i'm not sure why people don't like him, even on a playthrough when i was on lillys side he basically saved my life twice, once after larry punched me even though i tried my hardest to kill his son (good man) and then in the meatlocker.
but if you side with kenny lilly just watches to see you die after you call for help.
so what if kenny has a go at you for not helping his son, you should feel bad you just tried to kill or just watch as larry try to kill a child
So you are saying that you were for killing his son but he still saved you? Sorry Im a little lost haha.
Second time, I tried to chop down the tree! Didn't work. So he got left behind that time.
I did side with Lilly because it would be a douchey thing to not try. ****ing Kenny. I'm sorry, the look on his face wasn't one of fear/hesitation. It looked like deliberate, "**** you buddy, you are getting shot cause you didn't help me kill Larry. Plus you aren't urban enough to pick a locked door."
I already know I want to go off-script in Ep3 and just push Kenny under the train (the apocalypse has created a drastic shortage of buses to push people under).
So basically if you go against him at all he becomes a jerk to you? Sorry I just bought the game and did my first play through today. Really enjoying it though.:D
yes (i actually thought i could have killed or thrown duck outside in the game at the time), because that is what good people do, it doesn't matter how you treat them, they will do the right thing and help
1. I didn't consider whether or not her would die later. I did notice the tourniquet. I also don't get why Lee decided to cut it off at the thigh, near some of the largest veins and arteries. I think mid calf would have sufficed. I think what I mostly thought is that no one should die being eaten alive. Also, not knowing that death = zombie, I thought leaving him behind would just mean that FOR SURE he would become a zombie if he got semi eaten and that's no good. We have enough to protect ourselves from.
2. That one doesn't immediately go unconsious from a heart attack, at least not the one you can bounce back from without major surgery. That was a MAJOR heart attack, one he'd been staving off with nitroglicerin for months. Frankly, it looked more like a stroke to me than a heart attack. Even worse. I agreed with Kenny that we couldn't take the risk, and dragged Lily away. Felt like I was putting down a kid's favorite dog because it had rabies. It hurts, but it's got to be done. On my second play through, I helped Lilly. Honestly, though, a rescue breath hadn't been given. We were just moving his blood around (technically). And CPR is not going to unblock an artery. I thought at best, he would come back brain damaged, paralyzed, or in a coma. He was gone.
I did not give her the gun. She was satisfied with being locked up till death until she saw our gun. I wanted the option to shoot her myself. I think I thought if I said "no, you can't have a gun," I'd get to take her out. (Mercy Kill). I like mercy kills. I don't like suicides.