So, how are you raising Clementine? [Spoilers]
I didn't see a thread that asked this question, so I now ask it myself...
Personally, I'm going for a über-good Clem, who has an excellent moral compass, and who sees my Lee as someone that never steals or jabs people with pitchforks - admittedly, that means she's not very pragmatic, but at least I'm not a monster in her eyes.
I changed my mind after doing some thinking (that thinking being influenced by some of the posts here) and rerolled my game completely - ultimately, the only changes that affected Clem was my choice to steal from the car. It hurt to do it but I decided that she needs to learn that survival comes before anything else. However I also tried to instill in her other good values - I spared the brothers, tried to save Larry, etc...
So, basically, what choices did you make concerning Clem/when she was present? Also, what word did you teach her in the barn? I taught her manure, like a responsible father-figure (with a badass voice)
Personally, I'm going for a über-good Clem, who has an excellent moral compass, and who sees my Lee as someone that never steals or jabs people with pitchforks - admittedly, that means she's not very pragmatic, but at least I'm not a monster in her eyes.
I changed my mind after doing some thinking (that thinking being influenced by some of the posts here) and rerolled my game completely - ultimately, the only changes that affected Clem was my choice to steal from the car. It hurt to do it but I decided that she needs to learn that survival comes before anything else. However I also tried to instill in her other good values - I spared the brothers, tried to save Larry, etc...
So, basically, what choices did you make concerning Clem/when she was present? Also, what word did you teach her in the barn? I taught her manure, like a responsible father-figure (with a badass voice)
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I promised Clementine to protect her from the dangerous ones, zombies and humans. And so i did. I kept my promised and whacked both brothers, in addition i made sure they would not get away and come back to kill us later.
And i will continue to do so.
But of course, give people a chanse, dont kill on sight.
And dont steal if you know something belongs to someone else.
The abandoned car? We took it all. We needed it. We could have left a note for the people who owned the car, but that wasnt an option.
But i still wanted to raise her up to be nice and keep her humanity, so i left the saint johns to be eaten and didnt steal from the car. Things should only be taken if the owners are dead. I wouldnt be able to live with the guilt after taking the possesions from the car.
I'm trying to strike a balance between practical survival and morality in making tough decisions, which we all know isn't easy. To that end, so far I didn't shoot the crazy lady, tried to save Larry, killed both the brothers and reluctantly looted the car.
I think Colonel Kurtz summed it up best in 'Apocalypse Now';
Also, I taught Clem to say "shit" in the barn on my first playthrough and immediately regretted it.
if i can avoid killing in front of her i do but as in the case of larry i only kill if it is the only choice open..
also i am honest with her and if she doesn't like stuff lee does i reason with her and justify lee actions like stealing from the car..
A lot of peoples Clem-Clem's are gonna die in episode 5.
Think about it people, this isn't the kind of game to let you have your Cake and Eat it Too.
(I chose Pragmatic/Tough Survivor)
So, you think it'll be a case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory (to warp a folk saying) ?
If that does go down, TellTale will most likely get slammed and grown men and women will weep in the street - particularily those Knights...
Well then, maybe those Knights should have raised her to be a survivor. It's what a true Knight does: Everything to protect the crown.
Even if it means being cold, direct, and pragmatic. If they can't handle the tough love approach, then they should drop their arms.
(I can't believe I just indulged this sick in joke. XD)
That's why I did take the food from the car. We need it badly. She needs it badly. I haven't killed anyone I didn't have to tho.
I did not take the food and supplies from the car. I figured that me, Clem, and Lilly would be better off with the extra rations we had in the motor inn.
When I looted the car on my first play through I convinced her that it was o.k to take the sweater because we didn't harm anyone to get it so we were not like the bandits. So she will be warmer but she still chose not to eat the food raided by the rest of the group and she didn't hold my hand. I thought the other scenario was more dramatic and a more emotional ending to the chapter.
Until Episode 5, when your choices determine whether or not Clem-Clem survives. (If you were Moral, she dies being the kid she was, if you were pragmatic she lives but dies a little inside.).. It'd be the perfect way to end the season.
Lets see what the future as to offer
I didn't kill the brothers, but that wasn't due to morality. By the time the second brother was taken care of, the family wasn't a threat anymore, and I figured with the state of the place, they'd be overrun by Walkers (what with the shooting) or killed by the bandits anyway, extending our stay in the area after the commotion just for the sake of exacting revenge felt like a bad idea.
I did however steal from the car. Our group was starving (all Clem-Clem had to eat the whole day was half an apple). Sucks to be the owner (if they're alive), but her well-being comes first.
Ultimately though, as Lee says, "I can't leave her alone" with the state of the world being what it is. Hopefully she picks up on the nuance of what's needed to live, while still having the ability to discern right from wrong when/if I'm no longer in the picture. If I get the feeling the waters are getting muddied there, morality's getting dropped from the class curriculum.
As it is, I'm loving the variety here (and sounding a bit like sisterofshane from that choices thread) , and I'm noticing that most people want their Clem to be moral. I also can understand wanting Clem to be a survivor - it's practical and looks to the future when/if Lee is gone. I don't entirely understand people still keeping a bubble around her after the St. Johns, but each to their own. What about the person that thought Clem was Walker bait? Why did you choose that option? Are you worried she'll slow you down or get in the way at a crucial moment?
Probably just a troll from the "Clementine is stupid?" thread. (Was that the name of it?)
It's ironic, cause I was just just reading that thread ("Clementine Not So Smart?") :P
It's actually listed as being similar to this one
Nope, you're one of 8 :P
Me, I'm using Clementine as a substitute for a real daughter - when I'm a bit older decide to have kids, hopefully I'll do a good job. That and the fact I want to preserve a bit of innocence in Clementine, while also being honest about the whole Apocalypse thing. As I said in my first post, it's not practical - I'm more emotionally driven (like Kenny, as I'm ashamed to admit. He made a tough, pragmatic choice, however, even if I couldn't bring myself to do it) .
Regardless, thanks for your opinion, Death689
I'm treating her like my own daughter too, but still. I guess I'm one of those: "Better alive than Zombie Chow" parents. XD
I don't think he'd be smart enough - it would take a while to evolve to that stage (there's that leader zombie in Land of the Dead, and the zombies in TWD are basically Romero zombies too - albeit in a world where the Godfather of All Zombies was never born) .
But Lee's... urban...
I have learnt that his name is Big Daddy, and that he started a zombilution...
Are you talking about Alpha?
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Is that all you got? You fight like a dairy farmer! :P
*Stabs you in the chest with a Pitch Fork*
The meat'll be tainted... Andeeurgh.... *death*
In fairness, I don't see moral/pragmatic as necessarily being mutually exclusive, except in certain scenarios (e.g. the decision to steal from the car or not, in which case morals lose). Understanding right/wrong is likely to be important if she needs to integrate herself into a "good" group of fellow survivors, i.e. a group that doesn't rape or shoot eat other in the face (bandits, I'm looking at you).
I'd best describe my instruction as "do whatever you need to stay alive, then whatever you can to be decent". But, like I said, first indication the waters are getting muddied in that regard, morals are getting dropped from the curriculum.
The only real option I see being unworkable is the "bubble" option. It's no longer really feasible to try and pretend the world hasn't gone to hell (particularly after Ep. 2), and it leaves her woefully unprepared for life going forward, especially when/if Lee's gone.