55% Lack Compassion...
I was wondering why such a high % refused to let Irene have the gun and take her own life, knowing what was ahead for her.
Most interested in the ideas/opinions of those who refused to give her the gun, but all input welcome, as it should be.
Discuss and explain.
Most interested in the ideas/opinions of those who refused to give her the gun, but all input welcome, as it should be.
Discuss and explain.
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What is this an essay test?
And anyway how is it compassion to help someone kill themselves?
That sounds pretty heartless, but I don't think suicide is ever the right way to go. Maybe if it was me infected, I'd think differently, but I didn't want to hand the gun to her. Plus, she's unstable. What if she turned the gun on me and demanded I cure her somehow, or she'd shoot me?
She made it pretty darn clear. She didn't want to become a walker, and that was a certainty.
And then come to find out she killed her self in vain because she was mistaken on how the virus spread.
So then how is it compassion to help assist in the death of someone who is emotionally unstable?
But she where not completely wrong, if you get bit you die and if you die you become a walker unless you destroy the brain.
1) I would never give someone else a loaded gun.
2) I would rather shoot her myself then give that person a gun.
3) Bullets are precious in times like this, I would actually have rather used the axe I had, I mean a bullet or just quickly one chop to the neck you wouldn't feel it right?
*) This is still hypothetical right..?
Well, we don't know that she would have died of her wounds. But yes, as you say she would have been a walker had she died any other way. But she didn't have to kill herself.
Exactly he didn't know, the player didn't know, but to let her kill herself is to give up hope. And we see that she very well could have been alive had she stayed with the group. But because she gave up hope she killed herself in vain.
Like the guy above me said, ammo is scarce and why give a crazy person a gun.
If folks wanna kill mentally disabled or distressed folks they should join the Texas government. They love killing people with mental issues out there.
Ouch...
I smell a post removal...
One is not to talk about that sort of stuff on the TTG boards mate!
Mine was more along the lines of "hmmm a Christian contemplating suicide? Surely not!? Give her the gun!!!
We already eat flesh...your point?
Maybe he was into the Hershel solution?
I would've been willing to do the deed myself and mercy kill her; hell, Irene herself suggests doing so (it's just that we can't exercise the option, which is frankly dumb). I could justify the expenditure of a round to end someone's suffering, not the only gun we have though.
the only exception is Clem, having to follow the game.. But she's not my kid and if she slowes me up, she's zombie bait!
The question is more a philosophical one- does someone have the right to choose how they die if die they must? Speaking as someone who has worked with sick people for decades, I have to say that I believe they do. My point is that Irene has chosen this way out, and in context of the likely event of her turning into a walker post mortem it can also be argued that her choice is one that would benefit the rest of humanity. It is in the interest of the survivors and those who want to survive the ZA that there not be another walker if it can be prevented.
We see like, two magazines in Carley's purse (and we never see her carry anything else), she's not exactly lugging around a crate of ammunition. That does put an upper limit on how much she realistically has with her, so it is a legitimate concern. It's a survival scenario: that weapon and its ammunition is not only the group's primary method of self-defense, but potentially its only method for gathering food as well (i.e. hunting) as well. Your right to choose how you die stops when it interferes with my ability to stay alive.
That said, I could've justified the use of a round (though I can understand why others wouldn't), but the way the choice was presented; i.e. give the crazy acting woman the group's only gun, the answer will be "no" all day long.
Actually, she would feel it, and she'd be in agony for a minute or two before she expired. Killing her with the axe would have been about twice as messy as chopping the teacher's leg off in episode 2.
Also, for those of you saying that ammo is in limited supply, somehow I think that we'll never run out of ammo; or if we do, it will be unavoidable and our actions have no influence on it.
plus the did rescue mark from an army base so logic denotes the got some more ammo/guns in the process
While Irene's wound is different, it's not far fetched to think that someone would want to help save her life instead of just euthanizing her. I like to think it along the lines of Lee's comments to Glenn after the Irene event that we shouldn't just let everyone give up hope in dark times. Without hope, what is the point of survival?
hear, hear!
The right and honourable gentleman from Idaho has made a good point which I can only echo in short.
Without hope what is the point of survival. Killing that women is killing hope.
Mark was Chair Force, not Army. Likewise, we tend not to keep weapons and ammunition laying about the place, if you're not carrying it, odds are it's locked in an armory. Plus there's the fact we don't see a single military-grade weapon among the group...
Recap here, yes, we only have the one gun and limited ammo at this point of the story, but we had just killed 6-7 walkers without the use of the gun.. so
we're still at a + for the ammo.
At this point in the story everyone is still under the impression that once you are bitten, you turn. Period.
Shooting her in the head would prevent her from becoming a walker, with the potential to spread the "disease" making more walkers.
All of those things, with the added.. putting her out of her mental anguish, was appropriate in my opinion. I've watched two of my grandparents die slow agonizing deaths through cancer. I watched as my eldest brother died a slow agonizing death with MS.. and I've watched close friends die long, drawn out, painful deaths in Hospice. I firmly believe in the 'right to die' aspect, and again.. as a preventative measure for other walkers... Definitely the right thing to do, at the time, with the information had.
...anyways,that would be one less walker to deal with lol.
I agree.
All I saw was a woman who wanted to die, who would've suffered a painful death if I hadn't capped her and a horrible undeath. The moral arrow swung only one way.
Despite Glenn's totally inappropriate comments regarding the fact she had a boyfriend (really, dude, how desperate are you to get laid?) I was pretty much immune to whatever anyone else said regarding her fate - she was doomed and she needed someone to help her out. I'd have preferred to use the axe, but those are the breaks.
Ultimately, I had no qualms about easing her passage (though not in the way Glenn would've wanted).
Heck even if I could NOT chop her head off, I could atleast throw her off the balcony head first... then she is injured (goes to heaven), and I get to kill another Walker...
I wanted to save ammo, the game misunderstood me.
I'd have gladly lent her the axe