Personally, I believe that with this episode "shit just got serious" the game was simply giving you a taste of what is to come, and i'm more than excited to see what it is.
Stop complaining that you could not save Carley, yeah I liked Carley too but this is The Walking Dead, people die all the time and most the time it's not up to you, you are not god and do not decide who lives and who dies.
You are only in charge for your actions, not the actions of the other characters, and your actions do matter, however they cannot "override" the actions of others, you're not more important than anyone else.
Carley, beloved and saved by the majority of players is taken out of the story in the same way Doug does. There is nothing in the entire series you could have done or said to prevent it. This applies to all characters and their deaths.
False actually, Carley and Doug both die thanks to Lilly and a gun, but that is the end of the similiarities. Carley dies by nagging Lilly into murdering her like the idiot she is, and Doug dies by saving Ben who Lilly was about to kill. Problem Carley fans?
Players are frustrated of not being able to alter anything. They do NOT (mostly) expect to always choose who lives and dies, but if the players actions don't even make the slightest difference it is no wonder the player might become frustrated. Thus far, the game is more like a movie.
But your choice did matter, Carley or Doug got to live for 2 more episodes and your group benefitted in different ways from it, just because they both eventually die does not mean they did nothing during those 2 episodes they lived.
While Carley has become my favorite character in any video game, I think that TellTale accomplished what it wanted, emotional responses like this. Carley/Doug's death has affected the players so much, and that's just telling them that they're doing their job right. Their death proved many points. I just hope it wasn't so that Lilly in the game would merge with Lilly in the comics. I say keep on playing and see how the rest unfolds. The current team right now isn't the best, but who knows what will happen? Just like how we had no idea things would turn out in ep 3 the way they did.
The choices i have made just dont feel much of a maor impact on the story thats continuing anyways. With episode 3 taking away most of the choices and sides i made, and the remaining characters arent very worth protecting besides clementine. Eventually kenny i feel will snap too since he lost everything he cared for during the middle of episode 3, ben made a stupid choice and i defended him for them against lily cause i thought it was doug cause he was defending him and acting suspicious. Chuck is decent but i dont feel he will stick around, christa and omid just dont feel as cooperative or as decent as lily, carley, or even katjaa. christa will commit suicide sometime episode 4 or 5 as seen in the trailer, guessing after omid dies or is eaten. And lee and gang will end up walking into some kind of trap trying to find clementines parents.
This is my first experience with The Walking Dead (haven't read the comic or watched the show). I wouldn't say this episode ruined The Walking Dead. However, episode 3 is a good stopping point. Before people counter that the stories of Lee and Clem aren't over, I agree. However, episode 3 reveals the message and narrative structure for The Walking Dead.
The world of the The Walking Dead is hopeless and human vice and virtue are irrelevant. Trust people or don't, work with them or don't, live for yourself or don't, prepare or don't ... it won't change much. In the end, you and everyone you meet will die.
In episodes 1 and 2, the mystery and hope drew me into the story. Maybe people could learn to work together and survive against the new threats. Maybe Lee was deciding to trust (or not) people and become a leader or let other people take on that role. The hope, however, was actually ignorance, both on the part of the characters and me as a player. Episode 3 educated everyone that surviving is impossible. In that regard, I respect The Walking Dead's take on a zombie apocalypse. I think it's a bold decision to declare that humanity is hopeless.
Now that I know better, I will have a hard time being suckered into caring about hopeless characters and situations. I now expect to meet new characters, make supposedly tough decisions while knowing the result, and then watch characters die. That's about as much dramatic tension as reading obituaries. The main tension left is when will people die, and will the series kill Lee, Clem, or both?
This it's the walking dead argument is nonsense when the game was marketed and tells you constantly the story matters for your choices.
"A tailored game experience – Live with the profound and lasting consequences of the decisions that you make in each episode. Your actions and choices will affect how your story plays out across the entire series."
The game even tells you this each episode. So it would have been nice to have doug/ carly survive for a bit longer at least just felt like a backfire to kill them the next episode i didn't want them to be gods but the shock factor of anyone dying but Clem will be reduced for episode 4. And lets be honest the gameplay elements weren't really that hard or id be stumped as i suck at point and click games.
That said the choices did matter to me personally and is reading the reasons why you save x or y , or whether you shot the girl outside the store but i recognize this doesn't make a huge difference to the story / actions. Like my "plan" of searching from clem's parents was thrown out the window in the episode 4 trailer.
It probably doesn't help that im not a fan of the comics and only watched the show so i didn't know who lily was and i tried to make her like me which was pointless if she's going off to do other things in season 3 of the TV show i assume.
If the game upset you, and made you feel like your choices don't matter, and left you feeling discouraged and hopeless, then the game designers succeeded. That is the world of TWD. It is not a feel-good world. It is supposed to piss you off.
If you are playing this game with the idea that you want to "win", or to try to save the people you like, then you will be very disappointed.
If the game upset you, and made you feel like your choices don't matter, and left you feeling discouraged and hopeless, then the game designers succeeded. That is the world of TWD. It is not a feel-good world. It is supposed to piss you off.
If you are playing this game with the idea that you want to "win", or to try to save the people you like, then you will be very disappointed.
Well of course not but thats the thing its not really a game at all but an interactive movie. it wouldn't even bother me if the big deal at the beginning of every episode saying stuff will be affected by me. For example i would like my actions through the episode to make one of duckie, kenny, doug/ carly and katja, or ben live not just have it be kenny its stuff like that that takes me out of the game. An immersive watching experience but i could be a dick to everyone and i won't matter.
i hope im wrong and there will be nods to how especially doug/ carly and duckies death affected lee and clem in the following episodes.
If the game upset you, and made you feel like your choices don't matter, and left you feeling discouraged and hopeless, then the game designers succeeded. That is the world of TWD. It is not a feel-good world. It is supposed to piss you off.
If you are playing this game with the idea that you want to "win", or to try to save the people you like, then you will be very disappointed.
I've watched a few playthroughs on youtube and it's annoying and slightly depressing when reading some of the comments.
"You're making all the crap choices!!!", "F****** REWIND!, you're screwing your chances to get a good ending" and "WOW you're stupid, you need to keep everyone happy so they all like you!".
I don't think some people really get the uniqueness and beauty of this game
I've watched a few playthroughs on youtube and it's annoying and slightly depressing when reading some of the comments.
"You're making all the crap choices!!!", "F****** REWIND!, you're screwing your chances to get a good ending" and "WOW you're stupid, you need to keep everyone happy so they all like you!".
I don't think some people really get the uniqueness and beauty of this game
Youtube comments are always depressing. After i played the episodes i watched maximums black's play and enjoyed seeing his reactions and choices (same or different) to mine. and that he seemed as immersed as i was. hemade me smile when he 1st met lily's dad and said "ooh ima leave you for the zombies the 1st chance i get " and yet trys to save him later exactly how i felt and reacted through the game.
Youtube comments are always depressing. After i played the episodes i watched maximums black's play and enjoyed seeing his reactions and choices (same or different) to mine. and that he seemed as immersed as i was. hemade me smile when he 1st met lily's dad and said "ooh ima leave you for the zombies the 1st chance i get " and yet trys to save him later exactly how i felt and reacted through the game.
I have seen some of his playthrough and enjoyed it because you can see he is genuinely immersed in the story and is enjoying the game. It also made me laugh when you see the shock on his face when something big happens
Please sir, QQ MORE. It's how the fucking twd works.
DEAL WITH IT, DEATHS HAPPEN..
P.S For the dumb ones, Carley/doug Isn't coming back.
A bit too harsh but I agree.
Carley/Doug took a lethal shot (if you watch it, Carley is hit in the very center of the face and does not get back up). You think they would have left Carley on the side of the road there if she wasn't completely dead? Sorry, but she and Doug will not come back. Plus, it would be against the tone of TWD universe.
Carley/Doug took a lethal shot (if you watch it, Carley is hit in the very center of the face and does not get back up). You think they would have left Carley on the side of the road there if she wasn't completely dead? Sorry, but she and Doug will not come back. Plus, it would be against the tone of TWD universe.
For the record i was amazed that people wanted them back it would bother me way more if this did happen (which it won't). No more dream deaths though please.
edit : And yes farmer joe that's what i like about this forum people genuinely like the story even if some like myself are disappointed about the lack of options. People even like Lily somehow and justify it pretty well to be fair.
Carley/Doug took a lethal shot (if you watch it, Carley is hit in the very center of the face and does not get back up). You think they would have left Carley on the side of the road there if she wasn't completely dead? Sorry, but she and Doug will not come back. Plus, it would be against the tone of TWD universe.
ZGamer Im not sure if you're aware of this but people get shot in the head all the time and live to tell about it. Didnt you know? Its on the internet!
/sarcasm
But seriously, there are like 5-6 threads vehemently defending the possibility of her being alive, half a day later with a bullet in her head.
ZGamer Im not sure if you're aware of this but people get shot in the head all the time and live to tell about it. Didnt you know? Its on the internet!
/sarcasm
But seriously, there are like 5-6 threads vehemently defending the possibility of her being alive, half a day later with a bullet in her head.
I know that, but the way that it shot her left me to have little doubt. Right in the center, practically through the eye. At that close of a range, it doesn't seem likely to me that it stopped somewhere before or missed the brain.
Plus again, if there was even a hint at Carley being alive, why would they just leave her on the side of the road? I am sure they would have checked her pulse or made sure she was still breathing even if they were "rushed." Heck, they would have put her back in the RV so they could check.
Guys think of it this way
You can have a really bad accident and die...
But someone has the choice to save you though even if he does you'll die 3 months later.
Does that mean him saving you or not saving you is not important since you die anyway
Hell,we'll all die eventually why should we bother to learn survival?
Plus the romantic approach that saving carley gives you doesn't come with saving doug unless your gay and later on when you find out that ben did it you'll feel a bit bad since lilly was right...
(Ah what the crap. It wasn't intentional for my post to be similar to superboy2011's.)
Umm... how much do you expect? With what a lot of people are expecting it would just be silly.
It's just like in the real word: Your choices matter, but you can't control everything. Some people are going to die and you just cannot prevent that. Sure, you may as well not be kind or giving to others because they could die in a car accident an hour from now, but wouldn't you rather enjoy the time you have instead of sulking about something that's unpreventable?
"Live for today, because yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never come."
It's not about the journey; it's about the pit-stops of the journey.
Eventually, Lee will either have lived life a staunch realist/survivalist, an asshole, or an idealistic hopeful. You pick the how and why, but not the what.
Jesus christ, how pathetic do you have to be to post a thread entitled "SEASON 3 RUINED EVERYTHING!"...
First of all, it's all a matter of personal taste. So next time put "I think" or "I find" in front of the title. There's no absolute truth to your opinion. I enjoyed every minute of this game, including season 3. If you think you can write a better story, go for it. Let us know when it's ready and we'll give you some feedback.
You didn't like the game? Tough titties... Uninstall it and go on with your life.
Darkness, gloom, doom, unexpected surprises... all these things are synonymous with The Walking Dead. Ofcourse things will happen that you don't want happening.. that's the whole idea!
Jesus christ, how pathetic do you have to be to post a thread entitled "SEASON 3 RUINED EVERYTHING!"...
First of all, it's all a matter of personal taste. So next time put "I think" or "I find" in front of the title. There's no absolute truth to your opinion. I enjoyed every minute of this game, including season 3.
Whew, good thing he said episode 3 then, right? Right? okay...
It's not about the journey; it's about the pit-stops of the journey.
Eventually, Lee will either have lived life a staunch realist/survivalist, an asshole, or an idealistic hopeful. You pick the how and why, but not the what.
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Stop complaining that you could not save Carley, yeah I liked Carley too but this is The Walking Dead, people die all the time and most the time it's not up to you, you are not god and do not decide who lives and who dies.
You are only in charge for your actions, not the actions of the other characters, and your actions do matter, however they cannot "override" the actions of others, you're not more important than anyone else.
False actually, Carley and Doug both die thanks to Lilly and a gun, but that is the end of the similiarities. Carley dies by nagging Lilly into murdering her like the idiot she is, and Doug dies by saving Ben who Lilly was about to kill. Problem Carley fans?
But your choice did matter, Carley or Doug got to live for 2 more episodes and your group benefitted in different ways from it, just because they both eventually die does not mean they did nothing during those 2 episodes they lived.
Heavy Rain.
The world of the The Walking Dead is hopeless and human vice and virtue are irrelevant. Trust people or don't, work with them or don't, live for yourself or don't, prepare or don't ... it won't change much. In the end, you and everyone you meet will die.
In episodes 1 and 2, the mystery and hope drew me into the story. Maybe people could learn to work together and survive against the new threats. Maybe Lee was deciding to trust (or not) people and become a leader or let other people take on that role. The hope, however, was actually ignorance, both on the part of the characters and me as a player. Episode 3 educated everyone that surviving is impossible. In that regard, I respect The Walking Dead's take on a zombie apocalypse. I think it's a bold decision to declare that humanity is hopeless.
Now that I know better, I will have a hard time being suckered into caring about hopeless characters and situations. I now expect to meet new characters, make supposedly tough decisions while knowing the result, and then watch characters die. That's about as much dramatic tension as reading obituaries. The main tension left is when will people die, and will the series kill Lee, Clem, or both?
"A tailored game experience – Live with the profound and lasting consequences of the decisions that you make in each episode. Your actions and choices will affect how your story plays out across the entire series."
The game even tells you this each episode. So it would have been nice to have doug/ carly survive for a bit longer at least just felt like a backfire to kill them the next episode i didn't want them to be gods but the shock factor of anyone dying but Clem will be reduced for episode 4. And lets be honest the gameplay elements weren't really that hard or id be stumped as i suck at point and click games.
That said the choices did matter to me personally and is reading the reasons why you save x or y , or whether you shot the girl outside the store but i recognize this doesn't make a huge difference to the story / actions. Like my "plan" of searching from clem's parents was thrown out the window in the episode 4 trailer.
It probably doesn't help that im not a fan of the comics and only watched the show so i didn't know who lily was and i tried to make her like me which was pointless if she's going off to do other things in season 3 of the TV show i assume.
and how 'our' actions affect clem...
If you are playing this game with the idea that you want to "win", or to try to save the people you like, then you will be very disappointed.
Well of course not but thats the thing its not really a game at all but an interactive movie. it wouldn't even bother me if the big deal at the beginning of every episode saying stuff will be affected by me. For example i would like my actions through the episode to make one of duckie, kenny, doug/ carly and katja, or ben live not just have it be kenny its stuff like that that takes me out of the game. An immersive watching experience but i could be a dick to everyone and i won't matter.
i hope im wrong and there will be nods to how especially doug/ carly and duckies death affected lee and clem in the following episodes.
I've watched a few playthroughs on youtube and it's annoying and slightly depressing when reading some of the comments.
"You're making all the crap choices!!!", "F****** REWIND!, you're screwing your chances to get a good ending" and "WOW you're stupid, you need to keep everyone happy so they all like you!".
I don't think some people really get the uniqueness and beauty of this game
Youtube comments are always depressing. After i played the episodes i watched maximums black's play and enjoyed seeing his reactions and choices (same or different) to mine. and that he seemed as immersed as i was. hemade me smile when he 1st met lily's dad and said "ooh ima leave you for the zombies the 1st chance i get " and yet trys to save him later exactly how i felt and reacted through the game.
I have seen some of his playthrough and enjoyed it because you can see he is genuinely immersed in the story and is enjoying the game. It also made me laugh when you see the shock on his face when something big happens
If the internet is a barrel demarked by levels of quality, Youtube is buried several yards below the bottom.
A troll breeding ground
DEAL WITH IT, DEATHS HAPPEN..
P.S For the dumb ones, Carley/doug Isn't coming back.
A bit too harsh but I agree.
Carley/Doug took a lethal shot (if you watch it, Carley is hit in the very center of the face and does not get back up). You think they would have left Carley on the side of the road there if she wasn't completely dead? Sorry, but she and Doug will not come back. Plus, it would be against the tone of TWD universe.
For the record i was amazed that people wanted them back it would bother me way more if this did happen (which it won't). No more dream deaths though please.
edit : And yes farmer joe that's what i like about this forum people genuinely like the story even if some like myself are disappointed about the lack of options. People even like Lily somehow and justify it pretty well to be fair.
ZGamer Im not sure if you're aware of this but people get shot in the head all the time and live to tell about it. Didnt you know? Its on the internet!
/sarcasm
But seriously, there are like 5-6 threads vehemently defending the possibility of her being alive, half a day later with a bullet in her head.
I know that, but the way that it shot her left me to have little doubt. Right in the center, practically through the eye. At that close of a range, it doesn't seem likely to me that it stopped somewhere before or missed the brain.
Plus again, if there was even a hint at Carley being alive, why would they just leave her on the side of the road? I am sure they would have checked her pulse or made sure she was still breathing even if they were "rushed." Heck, they would have put her back in the RV so they could check.
just sayin
personally to have carley/doug/duck/katjaa retconned would make the game stupid and reduce the impact of choices..
You can have a really bad accident and die...
But someone has the choice to save you though even if he does you'll die 3 months later.
Does that mean him saving you or not saving you is not important since you die anyway
Hell,we'll all die eventually why should we bother to learn survival?
Plus the romantic approach that saving carley gives you doesn't come with saving doug unless your gay and later on when you find out that ben did it you'll feel a bit bad since lilly was right...
Umm... how much do you expect? With what a lot of people are expecting it would just be silly.
It's just like in the real word: Your choices matter, but you can't control everything. Some people are going to die and you just cannot prevent that. Sure, you may as well not be kind or giving to others because they could die in a car accident an hour from now, but wouldn't you rather enjoy the time you have instead of sulking about something that's unpreventable?
"Live for today, because yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never come."
Eventually, Lee will either have lived life a staunch realist/survivalist, an asshole, or an idealistic hopeful. You pick the how and why, but not the what.
First of all, it's all a matter of personal taste. So next time put "I think" or "I find" in front of the title. There's no absolute truth to your opinion. I enjoyed every minute of this game, including season 3. If you think you can write a better story, go for it. Let us know when it's ready and we'll give you some feedback.
You didn't like the game? Tough titties... Uninstall it and go on with your life.
Darkness, gloom, doom, unexpected surprises... all these things are synonymous with The Walking Dead. Ofcourse things will happen that you don't want happening.. that's the whole idea!
Whew, good thing he said episode 3 then, right? Right? okay...
Exactly my thoughts, friend.
Good Call. LOL