The ending of a game should not be about setting up a sequel. It's obvious that this is what happened. Episode 5 was a massive let-down.
I have a feeling that they might have had a more elaborate and more involved ending planned, but once they learned they would be making another season they had to hurry up and try and set that story up. Which is why the last Episode is so short and has an incredibly lackluster final couple scenes.
I have always found it irritating in games where the protagonist ends up dieing in the end.
It makes me think like, did I just do all that to die ? ;_;
I personally think you will have control of Clementine in Season 2.
Towards the end of Ep5 you controlled Clem at some points so...?
OH LOL, I also thought about this. Another stupid suggestion but..
Do you guys think when the blue vase thingo fell on top of Lee it fucked with his brain / zombification process and he just past out afterwards?
This could even happen with his arm amputated or not.
If you chose for Clementine to shoot you, she missed :]
We are thinking boizzzzzzzzzzz
For the love of God, Lee is dead! I am tired of seeing those posts from the crazy people with all these conspiracies about how Lee lived. He didn't! He either got shot in the head, or left to reanimate, that is that. That being said, you'd be crazy if you wanted Lee to die, so even though we know for a fact Lee is no longer with us, share with us here you're crazy theories about how Lee can still be alive here.
You are making the assumption that Lee always has his arm chopped off. Not everyone chose that option, yet their Lees still showed the same symptoms, which means that it wasn't blood loss we were seeing, it was the zombification process.
As much as I wish it werent so, Lee is in all likelihood dead. I just hope the next player character doesnt die at the end of season 2. My problem with that is what would be the point in trying to keep your character alive through all the episodes if they are just doomed at the end of the season? The game would certainly lose some of its enjoyment.
ah..didnt see my argument had already been voiced in an earlier post. And no shit of course we all die eventually, the point is, you dont WANT to die and want to live as long as possible.
As much as I wish it werent so, Lee is in all likelihood dead. I just hope the next player character doesnt die at the end of season 2. My problem with that is what would be the point in trying to keep your character alive through all the episodes if they are just doomed at the end of the season? The game would certainly lose some of its enjoyment.
i think one of the good things about Lee dying is that we will never know if the next protagonist will live or die, who knows maybe the next one will die in episode 2 and we play their friend or whatever , or maybe they will survive , we wont know, and that is kinda fun
I think the story about Lee is finished and the next season will begin new story about Clementine and many people will die, or the game will not be so depressing and dramatic.
Lee cant die the main objective of the game is to protect Clem and if those people on the hill are not Kristie and Ormid then Clem on her own. So lee needs to be there. I believe he's not dead and will keep believing it until season 2 proves me wrong.
But, if he decided to cut his arm off, he definitly die from blood loss. So there's TINY chance, that he could survive, if someone get him some blood... This is really hard for me, to losing favorite character. But i have to get over it.
I think it takes a good screen writer to make a decision like that both in movies or games, to make the main character die...
I knolw it can look like a bad thing but to me it's not. Honestly I'm sick of all those TV series in which there's a good ending and you never get surprised.
It's not that because I wanna have fun I'm happy that Lee died, but I'm happy that someone wrote a screenplay warning us "Hey, next time you play a game, watch a TV series or watch a movie, do know your favorite character could die!", like some others did before.
A new series with all brand new characters is not a bad idea... In the end I like that developpers and writers read our opinions over here but I think it's not a good one that they give us exactly what we want and that's why most great TV series were cut off just based on the viewing share, but that's a different story...
You forgot to mention his almost yellow/green glowing eyes, and besides that he could barely move, even IF he was alive, which frankly I don't believe, it wouldn't be funny to play a guy, who is not capable of moving, not to speak of surviving a zombie apocalypse, there is not much legit about your theory, you said, that there is much chance Clem missed the shot, then I ask why does the screen turn black immediatly after the muzzle flash, and don't tell me he fell asleep that moment.
Lee is dead, or damned to sit on his ass for the next 2 days until he dies of thirst, if you don't believe him to be dead yet. I am really convinced, that, that's it for him, and that we'll play someone else. :eek:
No. No No. That would be cheap on TellTales end. I would like a new story and then in episode ten you and a friend are walking in a field and you seel a small figure in the distance. Boom!
No. No No. That would be cheap on TellTales end. I would like a new story and then in episode ten you and a friend are walking in a field and you seel a small figure in the distance. Boom!
If Clem is to return she must return before the season ends, not at the ending!
Were that to happen i would migrate from "i must know what happened to Clem" to "I must know what the survivors and Clem did afterward". Closure, darn it!
At the very least it should go past the point where they meet, so we can see what all of our teaching decisions in season 1 have done for her. Otherwise all the things Lee has done to prepare her for survival would have been a waste, as we never see it come to fruition.
Unless they use it as a setup for season 3... i sure hope not. I can't wait that long!
If Clem is to return she must return before the season ends, not at the ending!
Were that to happen i would migrate from "i must know what happened to Clem" to "I must know what the survivors and Clem did afterward". Closure, darn it!
At the very least it should go past the point where they meet, so we can see what all of our teaching decisions in season 1 have done for her. Otherwise all the things Lee has done to prepare her for survival would have been a waste, as we never see it come to fruition.
Unless they use it as a setup for season 3... i sure hope not. I can't wait that long!
Okay, maybe at the end of episode 6 or 7 then so you get to know this new group and your pissed that they aren't picking up with Clementine and then the end of one of the early episodes they introduce Clem
Yeah, it would be cool watch him to survive, i don't care about the hand... He would even make it without it... Or something like. troll season 2 beginning : Lee wakes up in the house from ep 4, next to clem and realize that was dream or Waking up after Amputation
Wouldn't mind if it was a dream. Wouldn't suprise me either. On the RV lee dreams then. I think TTG stated lee is dead. So if they brought lee back via dream, they wouldnt have lied about him dying because he did die in the dream. Just sayin.
In some people's playthroughs Lee has two arms, in some he has 1. It'd be unrealistic for Telltale to make five more episodes with Lee given the both scenarios. Plus, I don't think there's people immune to the zombie bite in the Walking Dead universe, so people who didn't chop off his arm would just have a dying Lee on their hands, and I don't think Telltale would do that either.
EDIT: Lee doesn't have any blood donors around. He's chained up weak in a room. I don't think he has much energy to call out for help either because he was so weak around Clem. I think he's a goner.
Well, I've supposed this idea months ago, and now people look into it? xD Anyway, how do you know there isn't a donor? I SERIOUSLY doubt Clem carried/dragged Lee's body into that store alone, and then closed the door that Clem AND a weak Lee couldn't even slightly open together. Someone could have been watching. Vernon is a doctor, and so could patch Lee up. Kenny could have been there. Molly even. One of Vernon's people.
People say it'd be a shame of a story for Lee to be alive after all that happened. Well, you either want a tailored game, or not. If you make all the right choices, in season 1.5 or even 2, who you play as could find various assortment of Lees:
1.)Lee, alive without a hand, uncuffed to radiator and unbitten.
2.)Lee, alive without hand, cuffed, but unbitten.
3.)Lee, alive without hand, cuffed and bitten.
4.)Lee, dead without(with) hand, cuffed(uncuffed) and bitten(not). Shot.
5.)Lee, undead with hand, cuffed(uncuffed) and bitten other times(or not).
Note: This is assuming Clementine did not miss.
And that would determine whether or not you save Lee. The decisions you make that would allow for Lee to survive. You all think him dead because of what is shown and said. Never in the credits does it say Lee died, as far as is known he simply fainted.
When he faints at the morgue, many can argue it was from the bite. But how long from the bite to the morgue was it, thirty minutes? Most bite victims don't last 24 hours, but who truly knows whether it was of a bite that he fainted or simply exhaustion/dehydration/starvation.
You cannot say Lee is dead, for there is no confirmation of his death. Not in the credits, not in results, nor in the game. You do not see him turn, nor do you see him get shot. You see Clem fire the gun, and Lee's breath can be heard after :P. Telltale can say all it wants, it does not stand for the truth. Creators of games/books/movies/shows etc. say things simply to influence the public of what they imply. They could bring him back if they wanted to, as a surprise. A rule of the Walking Dead: Noone is dead until they reanimate. Larry survived the heart attack if you tried to perform CPR fast enough, you see him breathe right before Kenny smashes his head in. Tyresse is left to the walkers, and yet comes back alive. In the show, the prisoner who is locked in surrounded by zombies with no weapons manages not only to escape, but later pose a major threat to Rick's group. Just my opinion though, but until I see him lurking around as a walker or a bullet through his forehead I say otherwise.
You may play as Lee, but you usually don't see things from his perspective. it's not 'first-person'. At the end of every episode the screen goes black, but Lee still made it to episode 5 xD. I can't say he is alive, and I'm stubborn to believe otherwise. I'm sure he'll be seen sooner or later, cuz I never shot him. So I will know full well of his condition, and get to kill him myself. But until I see him myself, he will be alive to me :,( It's like a wound; you don't look at it and hope it gets better. You don't mess with it, and you don't panic or assume. You just wait it out, and hope it turns out alright! "He's not like the others! Jesus, all y'all are just making it worse!"-Kenny
I think it takes a good screen writer to make a decision like that both in movies or games, to make the main character die...
I knolw it can look like a bad thing but to me it's not. Honestly I'm sick of all those TV series in which there's a good ending and you never get surprised.
It's not that because I wanna have fun I'm happy that Lee died, but I'm happy that someone wrote a screenplay warning us "Hey, next time you play a game, watch a TV series or watch a movie, do know your favorite character could die!", like some others did before.
A new series with all brand new characters is not a bad idea... In the end I like that developpers and writers read our opinions over here but I think it's not a good one that they give us exactly what we want and that's why most great TV series were cut off just based on the viewing share, but that's a different story...
I agree there. I'm not saying what the writers should do, or how Telltale should proceed, but I'm just stating that The Walking Dead never puts all it's cards on the table. Always expect a surprise, a jump scare, a death, a survival, betrayal, agonizing choice, etc. I have faith that they can continue to make a great series.
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I have a feeling that they might have had a more elaborate and more involved ending planned, but once they learned they would be making another season they had to hurry up and try and set that story up. Which is why the last Episode is so short and has an incredibly lackluster final couple scenes.
It makes me think like, did I just do all that to die ? ;_;
I personally think you will have control of Clementine in Season 2.
Towards the end of Ep5 you controlled Clem at some points so...?
OH LOL, I also thought about this. Another stupid suggestion but..
Do you guys think when the blue vase thingo fell on top of Lee it fucked with his brain / zombification process and he just past out afterwards?
This could even happen with his arm amputated or not.
If you chose for Clementine to shoot you, she missed :]
We are thinking boizzzzzzzzzzz
This.
You do realise that you're going to die at the end of your life right? Does that make your life pointless?
not possible but that would rock
This is gold. Trolololololol
Hahhah owned !
i think one of the good things about Lee dying is that we will never know if the next protagonist will live or die, who knows maybe the next one will die in episode 2 and we play their friend or whatever , or maybe they will survive , we wont know, and that is kinda fun
Kind of. But he could just pass out again? Just Kidding. Got it
I knolw it can look like a bad thing but to me it's not. Honestly I'm sick of all those TV series in which there's a good ending and you never get surprised.
It's not that because I wanna have fun I'm happy that Lee died, but I'm happy that someone wrote a screenplay warning us "Hey, next time you play a game, watch a TV series or watch a movie, do know your favorite character could die!", like some others did before.
A new series with all brand new characters is not a bad idea... In the end I like that developpers and writers read our opinions over here but I think it's not a good one that they give us exactly what we want and that's why most great TV series were cut off just based on the viewing share, but that's a different story...
Lee is dead, or damned to sit on his ass for the next 2 days until he dies of thirst, if you don't believe him to be dead yet. I am really convinced, that, that's it for him, and that we'll play someone else. :eek:
If Clem is to return she must return before the season ends, not at the ending!
Were that to happen i would migrate from "i must know what happened to Clem" to "I must know what the survivors and Clem did afterward". Closure, darn it!
At the very least it should go past the point where they meet, so we can see what all of our teaching decisions in season 1 have done for her. Otherwise all the things Lee has done to prepare her for survival would have been a waste, as we never see it come to fruition.
Unless they use it as a setup for season 3... i sure hope not. I can't wait that long!
Okay, maybe at the end of episode 6 or 7 then so you get to know this new group and your pissed that they aren't picking up with Clementine and then the end of one of the early episodes they introduce Clem
OMG THIS WOULD BE SO EPIC.
smh
Well, I've supposed this idea months ago, and now people look into it? xD Anyway, how do you know there isn't a donor? I SERIOUSLY doubt Clem carried/dragged Lee's body into that store alone, and then closed the door that Clem AND a weak Lee couldn't even slightly open together. Someone could have been watching. Vernon is a doctor, and so could patch Lee up. Kenny could have been there. Molly even. One of Vernon's people.
People say it'd be a shame of a story for Lee to be alive after all that happened. Well, you either want a tailored game, or not. If you make all the right choices, in season 1.5 or even 2, who you play as could find various assortment of Lees:
1.)Lee, alive without a hand, uncuffed to radiator and unbitten.
2.)Lee, alive without hand, cuffed, but unbitten.
3.)Lee, alive without hand, cuffed and bitten.
4.)Lee, dead without(with) hand, cuffed(uncuffed) and bitten(not). Shot.
5.)Lee, undead with hand, cuffed(uncuffed) and bitten other times(or not).
Note: This is assuming Clementine did not miss.
And that would determine whether or not you save Lee. The decisions you make that would allow for Lee to survive. You all think him dead because of what is shown and said. Never in the credits does it say Lee died, as far as is known he simply fainted.
When he faints at the morgue, many can argue it was from the bite. But how long from the bite to the morgue was it, thirty minutes? Most bite victims don't last 24 hours, but who truly knows whether it was of a bite that he fainted or simply exhaustion/dehydration/starvation.
You cannot say Lee is dead, for there is no confirmation of his death. Not in the credits, not in results, nor in the game. You do not see him turn, nor do you see him get shot. You see Clem fire the gun, and Lee's breath can be heard after :P. Telltale can say all it wants, it does not stand for the truth. Creators of games/books/movies/shows etc. say things simply to influence the public of what they imply. They could bring him back if they wanted to, as a surprise. A rule of the Walking Dead: Noone is dead until they reanimate. Larry survived the heart attack if you tried to perform CPR fast enough, you see him breathe right before Kenny smashes his head in. Tyresse is left to the walkers, and yet comes back alive. In the show, the prisoner who is locked in surrounded by zombies with no weapons manages not only to escape, but later pose a major threat to Rick's group. Just my opinion though, but until I see him lurking around as a walker or a bullet through his forehead I say otherwise.
I agree there. I'm not saying what the writers should do, or how Telltale should proceed, but I'm just stating that The Walking Dead never puts all it's cards on the table. Always expect a surprise, a jump scare, a death, a survival, betrayal, agonizing choice, etc. I have faith that they can continue to make a great series.