The fact that Doug defied Lilly by saving Ben was more heroic than anything Carley's ever done.
Literally the first thing we see Carley do is save five people outside the drug store in defiance of Lilly's orders. I like Doug too. The fact he tries so hard to help people despite being so ill equipped to do so is very endearing, but don't go throwing Carley under the bus just to make Doug look better.
If you look it in a more deep and mature way, Carley saved more people than Doug could ever will. Most people only look on the way he heroic-ly saved that "conniving little snake". For all we know, Carley saved 5 COMPLETELY STRANGERS in the streets of Macon because she has such a good heart.
My Literal Understanding
- I believe that Carley's job being a reporter is more dignified comparing to stripers/prostitutes.
My Non-literal Understanding
- for CRAP's sake, they just knew each other. How can you say "bro" ( as in friend ) to Doug if you rarely even know him; same goes to Carley.
I liked them both (even if I don't know them that well), but I have to save the person who saved my ass twice; it's called being grateful.
If you look it in a more deep and mature way, Carley saved more people than Doug could ever will. Most people only look on the way he heroic-ly saved that "conniving little snake". For all we know, Carley saved 5 COMPLETELY STRANGERS in the streets of Macon because she has such a good heart.
Well, looking at it in a deep, mature way, Doug saved Carley before you ever met her, and she was a complete stranger. Who knows if he did this more than once?
Well, looking at it in a deep, mature way, Doug saved Carley before you ever met her, and she was a complete stranger. Who knows if he did this more than once?
We play as Lee, and we act based on one character's point of view. And we know for sure Carley saved Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa, and Duck. Unlike what Doug did, her actions--saving those five complete strangers--meant something to us.
Well, looking at it in a deep, mature way, Doug saved Carley before you ever met her, and she was a complete stranger. Who knows if he did this more than once?
I'm arguing about this based on evidence not in theories/predicaments.
* Great personality
* Felt like someone who Lee could trust
* Knew how to handle a pistol and use it when needed
* Saved lives
* When someone was being targeted/threaten she stood up
* She was pretty
* Of all females, she would've been the best to take care of Clementine
* A person who'd help out anyone
* Conversationalist with people
* Was willing to give her ration to someone else who needed more
I don't really care that she didn't know much about batteries, because in the end she has more great qualities than bad, and Doug never seemed worth my time.
He did distract the walkers to the TV Store, I think, but when he was so damn near the brick did he get it? No. God dammit.
By the way, that "bros before hoes" makes no fucking sense because none of you met Doug before and Carley isn't a prostitute. It's offensive that people are even saying it.
Hoe is an ancient farming tool. I get that you feel like Carley's been insulted, but dude, what are you getting so worked up on? It annoys me too, but no need to swear.
I believe its "Ho" (Shortcut for wHOre) I believe. Nah, Carley's no Ho. WTF. She's not that kind of girl, and not that kind of person.
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* Great personality (ONE OF THE BEST PERSONALITIES THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY LIFE. I admire it!)
* Felt like someone who Lee could trust (It's not Carley. She's trustworthy -RV Scene) Indeed.
* Knew how to handle a pistol and use it when needed (Yeah. I find that pretty handy and pretty attractive? Haha)
* Saved lives (I can't even count/too lazy. It's a lot)
* When someone was being targeted/threaten she stood up (We need people like that in Earth)
* She was pretty (HOT)
* Of all females, she would've been the best to take care of Clementine (It'd be her or Katjaa. They'd both be great parents)
* A person who'd help out anyone (We need more models/figures like her)
* Conversationalist with people
* Was willing to give her ration to someone else who needed more (I just remembered Mark saying that Carley didn't give her ration to him that other day and he thought she was gonna take his hand off. haha. But she sacrifices for others)
I'm not getting worked up, but people whether it's here, there or in real life just call innocent women as "bitch" or "whore" for no reason, and that's offensive. Also demeaning.
I myself don't ever call women by those degrading names, it's just bloody awful.
Doug's skills were more unusual - anyone can point and shoot a gun, but after Doug set up the alarm at the motel I knew I'd made a better choice, and if he'd survived until the train, it would have been much easier to start it whereas Carley would've sat around going 'hurr durr how do make train go'.
Doug's skills were more unusual - anyone can point and shoot a gun, but after Doug set up the alarm at the motel I knew I'd made a better choice, and if he'd survived until the train, it would have been much easier to start it whereas Carley would've sat around going 'hurr durr how do make train go'.
Either you save Doug or left him, there will always be that alarm in the motel. The difference is, if you saved Doug, they will show him working on that and how it rang when the St. John brothers walked in.
IT'S KINDA WEIRD BECAUSE IF YOU SAVED CARLEY, THERE IS THE SAME ALARM IN THE BACKGROUND BUT IT WAS NEVER USED, PROBABLY BECAUSE IT WAS A BUG.
Carley is good at everything else, but not good with electronics. It isnt need anyway. What you need are survival skills.
Doug is good at electronics, but in fighting zombies, not that much.
There are pros and cons. Sure. An alarm system is real useful to attract more walkers.
I enjoyed carleys company more than dougs.
I just read your post the other day or ehatever saying that people that picked carley were shallow. Wtf? Looks played a role of course, for me lets say 25 percent but 75 coming from her selflesness, attitude and gratitiude for getting my back.
I'm arguing about this based on evidence not in theories/predicaments.
Okay, my argument is still that Carley is worthless without her gun. So you've got a walker on your ankle. Do you: pull stuff off the shelves you can reach and hit the walker with them? Try to tip the shelf over on the walker? Try to kick it away with your other foot? Use the butt of your gun to bash the walker's head in? Not if you're Carley. You just continue to reach for your purse full of ammo till you get pulled to the floor and chomped. No resourcefulness on her part as far as I'm concerned. She told us she was a mess, she didn't seem to have anything to offer other than her shooting skills. I left her ass to die.
Carley wasn't stupid. A technophobe most definitely, but flat out stupid? No way. I never got that impression talking to her and the advice she gives you (who to feed and to tell people about your past) is always sound.
In the end i think the passionate debate is silly, Having seen both choices pan out, they're both great characters and your only real friend at the motor inn (Clem is family and the other loyalty was fragile at best) so episode 3 was a huge blow to me either way.
In the end given the choice again i'd still pick Carley, just because she's more useful and a tiny bit more likable for me (although Doug is funny), but its definitely not a case of "fuck doug let him die" more of a "i'm so sorry buddy *cries a little* *chooses Carley*"
Which part of "in real life..." did you not understand? I just don't like people cursing women, unless they really deserved it and even then it's not a respectable thing to say or do.
Doug's skills were more unusual - anyone can point and shoot a gun, but after Doug set up the alarm at the motel I knew I'd made a better choice, and if he'd survived until the train, it would have been much easier to start it whereas Carley would've sat around going 'hurr durr how do make train go'.
If you think anyone can accurately fire a weapon (particularly against moving targets, and especially with the added stress of being in combat), you've obviously never actually done so yourself. It's a lot more difficult than TV or Video Games show you. It takes quite a bit of practice and a bare minimum of several thousand rounds to get somebody to that level of competence.
Hell, most people can't even bring themselves to fire a weapon at another person in anger at all; as evidenced by the fact that in WWI only 5% of the soldiers did so.
To add to Rommel49's point, most people will not shoot consistently well with a pistol as compared to rifles. For Carley to consistently pull head shots with her pistol is actually a rare skill, and one that significantly increases the group's chances of surviving a zombie apocalypse where head shots are basically needed all the time.
So many threads on this issue... has been answered dozens of times already.
Again here is why I picked him over Carley on my intial playthrough:
1.) Bros before hoes 2.) intelligent (I'd assume he knows what batteries look like and how they work), 3.) useful technical knowledge 4.) heroic in crucial situations (known from Carleys story about him saving her) 5.) doesn't know about my negative past
Carley is good at everything else, but not good with electronics. It isnt need anyway. What you need are survival skills.
Doug is good at electronics, but in fighting zombies, not that much.
There are pros and cons. Sure. An alarm system is real useful to attract more walkers.
I enjoyed carleys company more than dougs.
I just read your post the other day or ehatever saying that people that picked carley were shallow. Wtf? Looks played a role of course, for me lets say 25 percent but 75 coming from her selflesness, attitude and gratitiude for getting my back.
A alarm system that makes a tiny tinkle is okay, considering the amount of yelling that Kenny, Lilly and Lee did anyway.
I am going to sum up the pros and cons of both. Carley Pros
-Girl
-Has a gun
-More screentime Cons
-Knows your past (at this point you don't know if you can trust her)
-Reporter (I hate reporters)
Yeah, but if the alarm is soft it is useless. You just wasted resources to make a hard to hear alarm. They shouted a lot, but i dont think sound would Travel thst far
Doug never came off as a "nice guy" to me. Plain and simple. He was kind of a prick from the start and even after doing a Doug was saved playthrough I still felt that he was just downright abrasive. Having Carley be much more adept with weapons and with a deeper knowledge of Lee himself didn't help Doug's case either. In my initial playthrough it basically came down to the fact that Carley had a gun and if I was to save her then maybe she could shoot the Walkers attacking Doug. Of course, my initial impressions of the two characters played its part, but that was the major deciding factor. In a cast of awesome characters, Doug is just one that I can't bring myself to like.
I chose Doug during my first playthrough simply because he seemed like the less obvious choice at the time. I like being a little quirky that way. Judging from what most of the other players did, turns out I was right. :cool:
The funny thing is even that excuse doesn't work. In episode one you don't get to know Doug enough that he becomes a bro, hell Carley was more of a bro than Doug at the end of episode one.
The choice was so silly that my friend saved Doug only because they thought it was a Shawn / Duck situation where Carley always lives. She figured that was the case because Carley seemed infinitely more important than Doug.
The choice was so silly that my friend saved Doug only because they thought it was a Shawn / Duck situation where Carley always lives. She figured that was the case because Carley seemed infinitely more important than Doug.
Intelligence is a powerful thing... If it werent for doug, we wouldve never gotten the keys off of Lee's brother. Carley didnt know how batteries worked, if i remember correctly? sure, you can argue that without a gunman that you would be dead. However, that arguement overlooks how handy knowledge can be in sticky situations, such as putting a pillow in front of a gun, or using spark plugs to break glass. (and thats just examples from episode one alone). it all depends on how you want to face the apocalypse. With either brains or bullets at your disposal.
and yes, doug and i were bros. how can one forget all those times we kicked it old school outside the pharmacy doors. me and doug are bros for life, aka episode 1 to 3
The funny thing is even that excuse doesn't work. In episode one you don't get to know Doug enough that he becomes a bro, hell Carley was more of a bro than Doug at the end of episode one.
Very well said. I really don't get people who try to pull the "bros before hoes" line like it's some cool macho thing to say.
Let's think about what Carley did before the decision point... she saves you and your companions outside the pharmacy, she saves you again (or saves Clem) from the walker inside the bathroom, she keeps your secret so you can stay in the pharmacy, and she goes out with you to rescue Glenn.
Now, what exactly did Doug do for you before the decision point that makes him a "bro"?
im pretty sure larry and lily would still be laying in the corner of the pharmacy without doug . . .
Sure, whatever fits your definition of a "bro." Turning on a TV to distract walkers to save two people who wanted to leave Lee and his friends to die, for most people, tends to fail as a bonding mechanism when compared to a person who saved the lives of Lee and his friends.
Intelligence is a powerful thing... If it werent for doug, we wouldve never gotten the keys off of Lee's brother. Carley didnt know how batteries worked, if i remember correctly? sure, you can argue that without a gunman that you would be dead. However, that arguement overlooks how handy knowledge can be in sticky situations, such as putting a pillow in front of a gun, or using spark plugs to break glass. (and thats just examples from episode one alone). it all depends on how you want to face the apocalypse. With either brains or bullets at your disposal.
Aside from Carley's unfortunate display of battery skill, which could just be chalked off as Telltale making an easy puzzle for players at the expense of her, she has been shown to be quite intelligent. Much more intelligent than Doug, street-wise. And yes you predicted it but without Carley, the "gunman", Lee, Kenny, Katjaa, and Clementine would be dead. Without Doug, Larry, the resident dick, would have died... Hm, which is more impressive? Yes knowledge is useful, but literally the only thing Doug showed in episode one is that he can work a remote. Woooow. I'm sorry but Doug's expertise of the old world techs. (e.g. electronics) isn't enough for me to save him, and I really don't understand said argument. Even in subsequent episodes Doug didn't really step up, in my opinion.
I know it's not really much of an argument but Doug would have wanted you to save Carley because that's the kind of guy he is. And I respected him enough to give him said wish. :cool:
and yes, doug and i were bros. how can one forget all those times we kicked it old school outside the pharmacy doors. me and doug are bros for life, aka episode 1 to 3
All I remember from that moment was him telling me thought Carley was nice / Larry was a dick and that he yelled at me to "hurry up" when I was dealing with my bro. :cool:
Aside from Carley's unfortunate display of battery skill, which could just be chalked off as Telltale making an easy puzzle for players at the expense of her, she has been shown to be quite intelligent. Much more intelligent than Doug, street-wise. And yes you predicted it but without Carley, the "gunman", Lee, Kenny, Katjaa, and Clementine would be dead. Without Doug, Larry, the resident dick, would have died... Hm, which is more impressive? Yes knowledge is useful, but literally the only thing Doug showed in episode one is that he can work a remote. Woooow. I'm sorry but Doug's expertise of the old world techs. (e.g. electronics) isn't enough for me to save him, and I really don't understand said argument. Even in subsequent episodes Doug didn't really step up, in my opinion.
I know it's not really much of an argument but Doug would have wanted you to save Carley because that's the kind of guy he is. And I respected him enough to give him said wish. :cool:
All I remember from that moment was him telling me thought Carley was nice / Larry was a dick and that he yelled at me to "hurry up" when I was dealing with my bro. :cool:
Duck was (arguably) the only one who was going to get bitten. which, after what happened back at farm, wouldnt have made me give even the slightest fuck at watching kens whole family be taken down. yes, carley may have given you good emotional advice, but she WAS NOT smarter than doug. When you told her to follow you in the pillow&gun scene, she just looks at you and says why. and dougs trap in episode two was awesome. you stopped the st. johns WAY up the road before they were literally a couple feet outside your front door. The wires were even attached to different bells to section it off. intelligence, my friend. are you starting to see where im coming from?
when two dudes sit outside and talk about women they like, theyre fuckin bros. oh, and Too bad you never told him that that was your brother. From his perspective, you were talking to a random zombie.
EDIT: how is shining a laser pointer into andy st. johns eye NOT stepping up? that shit was rad, and it definately saved my life.. it made me laugh out loud too.
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Literally the first thing we see Carley do is save five people outside the drug store in defiance of Lilly's orders. I like Doug too. The fact he tries so hard to help people despite being so ill equipped to do so is very endearing, but don't go throwing Carley under the bus just to make Doug look better.
My Literal Understanding
- I believe that Carley's job being a reporter is more dignified comparing to stripers/prostitutes.
My Non-literal Understanding
- for CRAP's sake, they just knew each other. How can you say "bro" ( as in friend ) to Doug if you rarely even know him; same goes to Carley.
I liked them both (even if I don't know them that well), but I have to save the person who saved my ass twice; it's called being grateful.
BTW, you are not a gentleman.
Well, looking at it in a deep, mature way, Doug saved Carley before you ever met her, and she was a complete stranger. Who knows if he did this more than once?
We play as Lee, and we act based on one character's point of view. And we know for sure Carley saved Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa, and Duck. Unlike what Doug did, her actions--saving those five complete strangers--meant something to us.
I'm arguing about this based on evidence not in theories/predicaments.
* Felt like someone who Lee could trust
* Knew how to handle a pistol and use it when needed
* Saved lives
* When someone was being targeted/threaten she stood up
* She was pretty
* Of all females, she would've been the best to take care of Clementine
* A person who'd help out anyone
* Conversationalist with people
* Was willing to give her ration to someone else who needed more
I don't really care that she didn't know much about batteries, because in the end she has more great qualities than bad, and Doug never seemed worth my time.
He did distract the walkers to the TV Store, I think, but when he was so damn near the brick did he get it? No. God dammit.
By the way, that "bros before hoes" makes no fucking sense because none of you met Doug before and Carley isn't a prostitute. It's offensive that people are even saying it.
I believe its "Ho" (Shortcut for wHOre) I believe. Nah, Carley's no Ho. WTF. She's not that kind of girl, and not that kind of person.
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* Great personality (ONE OF THE BEST PERSONALITIES THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY LIFE.
* Felt like someone who Lee could trust (It's not Carley. She's trustworthy -RV Scene) Indeed.
* Knew how to handle a pistol and use it when needed (Yeah. I find that pretty handy and pretty attractive? Haha)
* Saved lives (I can't even count/too lazy. It's a lot)
* When someone was being targeted/threaten she stood up (We need people like that in Earth)
* She was pretty (HOT)
* Of all females, she would've been the best to take care of Clementine (It'd be her or Katjaa. They'd both be great parents)
* A person who'd help out anyone (We need more models/figures like her)
* Conversationalist with people
* Was willing to give her ration to someone else who needed more (I just remembered Mark saying that Carley didn't give her ration to him that other day and he thought she was gonna take his hand off. haha. But she sacrifices for others)
I agree with Phil_TWD. (Just some comments)
I myself don't ever call women by those degrading names, it's just bloody awful.
It says that u fail and it makes you repeat it again until you finally save someone
Either you save Doug or left him, there will always be that alarm in the motel. The difference is, if you saved Doug, they will show him working on that and how it rang when the St. John brothers walked in.
IT'S KINDA WEIRD BECAUSE IF YOU SAVED CARLEY, THERE IS THE SAME ALARM IN THE BACKGROUND BUT IT WAS NEVER USED, PROBABLY BECAUSE IT WAS A BUG.
Doug- Not a dumb bitch
'Nuff said.
Carley is good at everything else, but not good with electronics. It isnt need anyway. What you need are survival skills.
Doug is good at electronics, but in fighting zombies, not that much.
There are pros and cons. Sure. An alarm system is real useful to attract more walkers.
I enjoyed carleys company more than dougs.
I just read your post the other day or ehatever saying that people that picked carley were shallow. Wtf? Looks played a role of course, for me lets say 25 percent but 75 coming from her selflesness, attitude and gratitiude for getting my back.
Okay, my argument is still that Carley is worthless without her gun. So you've got a walker on your ankle. Do you: pull stuff off the shelves you can reach and hit the walker with them? Try to tip the shelf over on the walker? Try to kick it away with your other foot? Use the butt of your gun to bash the walker's head in? Not if you're Carley. You just continue to reach for your purse full of ammo till you get pulled to the floor and chomped. No resourcefulness on her part as far as I'm concerned. She told us she was a mess, she didn't seem to have anything to offer other than her shooting skills. I left her ass to die.
In the end i think the passionate debate is silly, Having seen both choices pan out, they're both great characters and your only real friend at the motor inn (Clem is family and the other loyalty was fragile at best) so episode 3 was a huge blow to me either way.
In the end given the choice again i'd still pick Carley, just because she's more useful and a tiny bit more likable for me (although Doug is funny), but its definitely not a case of "fuck doug let him die" more of a "i'm so sorry buddy *cries a little* *chooses Carley*"
Which part of "in real life..." did you not understand? I just don't like people cursing women, unless they really deserved it and even then it's not a respectable thing to say or do.
If you think anyone can accurately fire a weapon (particularly against moving targets, and especially with the added stress of being in combat), you've obviously never actually done so yourself. It's a lot more difficult than TV or Video Games show you. It takes quite a bit of practice and a bare minimum of several thousand rounds to get somebody to that level of competence.
Hell, most people can't even bring themselves to fire a weapon at another person in anger at all; as evidenced by the fact that in WWI only 5% of the soldiers did so.
Again here is why I picked him over Carley on my intial playthrough:
1.) Bros before hoes 2.) intelligent (I'd assume he knows what batteries look like and how they work), 3.) useful technical knowledge 4.) heroic in crucial situations (known from Carleys story about him saving her) 5.) doesn't know about my negative past
A alarm system that makes a tiny tinkle is okay, considering the amount of yelling that Kenny, Lilly and Lee did anyway.
You forgot hot and fuckable.
Hahahaha, guess so?
@Demo
Yeah, but if the alarm is soft it is useless. You just wasted resources to make a hard to hear alarm. They shouted a lot, but i dont think sound would Travel thst far
Carley:
You get to tell everyone about your past.
Optional love interest.
Knows of your past and isn't a total asshole.
Can shoot.
Doug:
Friendly
Funny
Nerdy IT tech guy
Dies a heroic death saving Ben, not even knowing if he was the traitor.
They're both interesting people but ultimately I would choose Carley so I can reveal my past to people in Ep 3.
The choice was so silly that my friend saved Doug only because they thought it was a Shawn / Duck situation where Carley always lives. She figured that was the case because Carley seemed infinitely more important than Doug.
Intelligence is a powerful thing... If it werent for doug, we wouldve never gotten the keys off of Lee's brother. Carley didnt know how batteries worked, if i remember correctly? sure, you can argue that without a gunman that you would be dead. However, that arguement overlooks how handy knowledge can be in sticky situations, such as putting a pillow in front of a gun, or using spark plugs to break glass. (and thats just examples from episode one alone). it all depends on how you want to face the apocalypse. With either brains or bullets at your disposal.
and yes, doug and i were bros. how can one forget all those times we kicked it old school outside the pharmacy doors. me and doug are bros for life, aka episode 1 to 3
Very well said. I really don't get people who try to pull the "bros before hoes" line like it's some cool macho thing to say.
Let's think about what Carley did before the decision point... she saves you and your companions outside the pharmacy, she saves you again (or saves Clem) from the walker inside the bathroom, she keeps your secret so you can stay in the pharmacy, and she goes out with you to rescue Glenn.
Now, what exactly did Doug do for you before the decision point that makes him a "bro"?
im pretty sure larry and lily would still be laying in the corner of the pharmacy without doug . . .
Sure, whatever fits your definition of a "bro." Turning on a TV to distract walkers to save two people who wanted to leave Lee and his friends to die, for most people, tends to fail as a bonding mechanism when compared to a person who saved the lives of Lee and his friends.
I know it's not really much of an argument but Doug would have wanted you to save Carley because that's the kind of guy he is. And I respected him enough to give him said wish. :cool: All I remember from that moment was him telling me thought Carley was nice / Larry was a dick and that he yelled at me to "hurry up" when I was dealing with my bro. :cool:
Duck was (arguably) the only one who was going to get bitten. which, after what happened back at farm, wouldnt have made me give even the slightest fuck at watching kens whole family be taken down. yes, carley may have given you good emotional advice, but she WAS NOT smarter than doug. When you told her to follow you in the pillow&gun scene, she just looks at you and says why. and dougs trap in episode two was awesome. you stopped the st. johns WAY up the road before they were literally a couple feet outside your front door. The wires were even attached to different bells to section it off. intelligence, my friend. are you starting to see where im coming from?
when two dudes sit outside and talk about women they like, theyre fuckin bros. oh, and Too bad you never told him that that was your brother. From his perspective, you were talking to a random zombie.
EDIT: how is shining a laser pointer into andy st. johns eye NOT stepping up? that shit was rad, and it definately saved my life.. it made me laugh out loud too.