Would you kill Vernon?

edited May 2013 in The Walking Dead
If in Season 2 you had the choice whether or not to murder Vernon would you do it?

I would as he decided not to tell the group about the horde (indirectly causing Ben, Kenny, Lee's and possibly Christa, Omids and Mollys deaths). He stole the boat, and he was just a d*** in general even considering to kill Lee when they had just met.

But would you kill him or let him live?
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  • edited April 2013
    Nope. I'd let him live. If we get a choice, Vernon's death will probably pop up when Clementine is watching. Clem didn't know that Vernon stole the boat in season 1, and I wouldn't want the relationship between Clem and the new PC to be strained from the start.
  • edited April 2013
    I'd like to punch him for Lee, Kenny, and Ben, but I don't think I'd kill him unless he gave me a reason ten and there.
  • edited April 2013
    He did what he needed to do for his people's sake, wouldn't we have done the same things for our group? As for me that depends on what exactly, stolen a boat? Probably not, considering to kill a stranger? Probably yes.

    But to come back to your question... for the fact, that he did not tell us about the horde - and there really was no good explanation for doing so - I would kill him. But not in front of Clem that is :o
  • edited April 2013
    I'll shoot him in the leg.
  • edited April 2013
    No he did what was best for his group and is no worse than Kenny stealing from the RV...
  • edited April 2013
    I'd kill him in a second. He met us, talked to us, knew how we were struggling and had Clementine to look after and in the end he still stole our boat which was our only way out of the city AND didnt tell us about the horde. And is it MUCH WORSE than Kenny stealing from the RV,
  • edited April 2013
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Nope. I'd let him live. If we get a choice, Vernon's death will probably pop up when Clementine is watching. Clem didn't know that Vernon stole the boat in season 1, and I wouldn't want the relationship between Clem and the new PC to be strained from the start.

    It could also be strained if you tell someone else to kill him, because that's what I thought up some time ago.
    If Molly learns what he did to Lee and his crew after everything they did to help him and his people, then she'll want to kill him by impaling Hilda right in to his skull. The player will then be given the choice to either spare him by getting Molly to back off or kill him by agreeing with Molly and let her stab his brains out.

    To answer the question, Yes, I would kill him. What he did was just downright selfish, even if he was just looking out for his people. If Clementine does disapprove of it, then I would try to help her to understand why I did it.
  • edited April 2013
    I want to skullfuck him with a chainsaw, so mark me down with a big-ol' "hell yeah."
  • edited April 2013
    Yes.
  • edited April 2013
    Yes. I get he's doing what's best for his group, but if it's done at the cost of my group then that makes us enemies. His entire group will swim with the fishes if I ever run into them in season two.
  • edited April 2013
    I hate Vernon, but let's imagine that I play as the new main hero, who was not familiar with Vernon, and I did not know what he did, and as I play the role of my character, then why should I kill Vernon, if he didn't do nothing against my character?
  • edited April 2013
    Because player hate is a powerful driving force?
  • edited April 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    I hate Vernon, but let's imagine that I play as the new main hero, who was not familiar with Vernon, and I did not know what he did, and as I play the role of my character, then why should I kill Vernon, if he didn't do nothing against my character?

    Good question zev_zev, and DreadMagus' answer is basically my answer. I intend to do multiple playthroughs though, so I will definitely play an in-character run where I "don't know" Vernon.

    That said, if TTG is good at one thing, is it makes you question your assumptions at decisive moments, such as Larry in the meat locker or Ben in Crawford.

    So who knows? I might feel sorry at the last minute and not kill Vernon and his posse.
  • edited April 2013
    LOL - yeah, no kidding. I was set to kill Ben, and TTG threw me a curve. lol

    Now I don't have the heart to do it.
  • edited April 2013
    double_u wrote: »
    Good question zev_zev, and DreadMagus' answer is basically my answer. I intend to do multiple playthroughs though, so I will definitely play an in-character run where I "don't know" Vernon.

    That said, if TTG is good at one thing, is it makes you question your assumptions at decisive moments, such as Larry in the meat locker or Ben in Crawford.

    So who knows? I might feel sorry at the last minute and not kill Vernon and his posse.

    It's the same situation as with Lilly. The most people want to kill her, if they meet her again, and here is another question, you play the role of your character, or you are you? If you are not immersed in the atmosphere of the game entirely, it means that you are you, and you want to kill Vernon, or Lilly. But if you play the role of your character in the game, then why you need kill them, Vernon, or Lilly't do anything against new main character ?
  • edited April 2013
    What Vernon did was straght up selfish. The only thing that made him and his group different from the Save-Lots bandits was that they didn't bother to kill the people who were left to guard the boat. They KNEW that we were going to use it. That we were planning to do so in a day or two. They knowingly left a 9 year old child, her caretaker, and 2-3 other people to die in Savannah while they saved their own sick rear-ends. The fact that they didn;t even bother to tell us about the herd coming in makes it that much worse, especially since they stole it AFTER Vernon pretended to care about Clementine.

    Stealing from the station wagon is totally differnt. Hell, nobody even knew it really WAS stealing. We all thought it was abandoned, and not only that, but it was either take the supplies or slowly die of starvation.
  • edited April 2013
    Rock114 nailed it.
  • edited April 2013
    I would kill him
  • edited April 2013
    I would kill him but I guess it wouldn't be any different than the stranger wanting to kill us for taking the supplies to live
  • edited April 2013
    Hurt him or beat him, circumstantial.
  • edited April 2013
    I wouldn't kill him...but in the words of Kenny, I'll make that bastard wish the cancer had got him.
  • edited April 2013
    His group made a cruel decision, and I certainly wasn't happy with Vernon after figuring that he had planned it since Crawford, but I don't picture being driven to go out of my way to kill him.
  • edited April 2013
    i'd leave him for dead for the walkers,as thats the fate he left the group indirectly in LOL plus he killed my idea of a dream ending of getting away on that boat...BUT he would be a great character to play as,and take charge of his group.
  • edited April 2013
    It's all down to who I am as of Season 2 if I ever see Vernon and his group again, and I was given a chance to interact with him.

    Had I been Lee within the timeframe between the Kenny and Ben/Kenny and Christa incident and the hotel incident, then I would have given him a beating while telling him exactly what he has done to Lee's group due to his actions. Killing him, to me, would have meant that he wouldn't have to live with the guilt, and thus I would have accomplished nothing.

    But if it's a fresh new character, it was not make any sense to the story, even if the character is meant to be some sort of a psychopath. Why would the new protagonist suddenly detest Vernon the moment they meet, and would be perfectly fine with any one character he or she meets? The new character wasn't in Lee's group, and thus shoudn't know anything and be emotionally affected at all by the boat theft.
  • edited April 2013
    If Lilly would be with me I would choose: "Shoot him" lol ;)
  • edited April 2013
    I don't blame Vernon for taking the boat, he was looking out for his own group, but what I don't understand is why he didn't take Clem if Lee chose to agree with his idea. Anyway I wouldn't kill him if I had the chance, but its unforgivable of what he has done.
  • edited April 2013
    No. I would not kill him. Yes, he stole from our group, but he only did it as a last resort. It's not like he took all of our supplies with him. It's not like he killed or maimed anyone during the raid. Everyone was still in good health. We still had options (leave on foot with bell tower lures, hole up in the train, plenty of other things I'm sure).

    At worst, he set us back to square 1; trying to find a safe place. Of course, I was against the boat idea the moment I heard it, so I wasn't exactly sad to see it go.
  • edited April 2013
    I would give him to walkers to eat - LOL , like St.Johns brothers
  • edited April 2013
    Nope I'd let the cancer take care of him.:D
  • edited April 2013
    FreeFood! wrote: »
    I would give him to walkers to eat - LOL , like St.Johns brothers

    Agree ^^ that was epic, and they deserve it, like a Vernon.
  • edited April 2013
    You know what they say about payback... in all seriousness I think it would depend on whether or not he was sorry for what he did.
  • edited April 2013
    Salt Lick wrote: »
    You know what they say about payback... in all seriousness I think it would depend on whether or not he was sorry for what he did.

    The letter he left us said he didn't feel good about it. Doesn't mean he meant it but I honestly think he is very sorry, especially for Clem. Despite stealing the boat he was a decent man.
  • edited April 2013
    Kaserkin wrote: »
    I'll shoot him in the leg.

    While a herd is following.
  • edited April 2013
    Beat the fuck out of him,and then let him for the walkers
  • edited April 2013
    ZeroShoot wrote: »
    The letter he left us said he didn't feel good about it. Doesn't mean he meant it but I honestly think he is very sorry, especially for Clem. Despite stealing the boat he was a decent man.

    His decency depends on how you react when he wants to take Clementine. If you refuse, he says that Lee got what he deserved, and the only person he's sorry about is Clementine.
  • edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    His decency depends on how you react when he wants to take Clementine. If you refuse, he says that Lee got what he deserved, and the only person he's sorry about is Clementine.

    Yeah but he says that, because with his proposal he only meant well, and Lee outright raged and yelled at him, threatening to kill Vernon if he'd in his opinion "help" the girl by taking her from him. Even though I refused his offer too I can at some point understand why Vernon would hate Lee, because from what Vernon has seen she isn't safe with him and none the less he doesn't want to let her go with Vernon, who has quite a safe set-up. Doesn't make his reaction right, but at the very least it is understandable.
  • edited April 2013
    I told Vernon that I'd think about it when it came to Clementine. I don't think that his concern for her was totally insincere, it just turned out to be insubstantial for him compared to the welfare of his own group.

    Of course with our own group left to die, his sympathies don't grant much reconciliation.
  • edited April 2013
    I wouldn't kill him; I don't hate Vernon. Hate is a strong word, ya know? There is a saying that you shouldn't hate anyone, for it is you who is pulling away.

    For Lilly... I'll make an exception ^_^

    LOL, anyway... Vernon could have been a lot worse. Considering you cause him the loss of one he had looked after like a daughter by your group's hands, and he doesn't blame you for it, I consider him quite the great person. He has his own group to look out for, and we did kinda bring in a horde of zombies to his doorstep. I doubt they will even be in season 2, because how were they going to get the boat into the water with THAT many zombies?
  • edited April 2013
    ZeroShoot wrote: »
    Yeah but he says that, because with his proposal he only meant well, and Lee outright raged and yelled at him, threatening to kill Vernon if he'd in his opinion "help" the girl by taking her from him. Even though I refused his offer too I can at some point understand why Vernon would hate Lee, because from what Vernon has seen she isn't safe with him and none the less he doesn't want to let her go with Vernon, who has quite a safe set-up. Doesn't make his reaction right, but at the very least it is understandable.

    I understand that as well, but no means no and he shouldn't have tried to push the issue after Lee declined the first time. Plus, after their food supply runs out in the underground bunker she would be more in danger of dying than she ever was with Lee. They have two patients who need constant care, they have low ammo/guns and Savannah has very little supplies left anywhere.
  • edited April 2013
    Looking at all the perfectly reasonable comments as to why they wouldn't kill Vernon, I feel as if this game had sapped a huge part of my humanity, however I'd still kill Vernon.
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