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Why did people choose to kill **** because he was a rapist?

Flog61Flog61
edited August 2013 in The Walking Dead
If season 1 taught us anything it's that in the apocalypse your past doesn't matter; it's who you are at the moment that counts.

Danny stood up to the guard in order to try and help the man being strangled, and Justin just sat there. Danny is more physically strong as well; I can literally not see a single reason why Justin should be chosen over him.

If it's because of his crime, then should Lee have been killed? Should Vince have been killed? Murder is considered a more serious crime than rape after all.


I'm not defending his crime, I'm just saying that killing him because of it is kind of silly in that context. I'm sure people had other reasons than that for killing him, and I would like to hear them :)
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  • FirewallcanoFirewallcano
    edited August 2013
    okay one I think this is the wrong forum it needs to be in the spoiler one. but anyway

    Danny was clearly lying about commiting his crime; while Justin was a dick he was honest about everything he'd done.

    Also Danny acted kind of dumb in my opinion - shouting at the walker for help and attracting attention.

    Finally the main reason was that danny was the one who suggested the idea so thats the reason
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    If you choose to kill him, Vince will go with Tavia.
  • CrixusCrixus
    edited August 2013
    Lee didn't kill for the joy of it,it was an accident,he's not going to randomly kill people. Danny raped for the joy of it and chances are would do it to Shel or Becca given the chance,pretty sure Russell says he's glad Danny died before they met Shel and Becca.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Oh my gosh, I didn't realise this was the non-spoiler forum! I'm so sorry if anyone got spoiled, is there a way to move it there?
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Crixus wrote: »
    Lee didn't kill for the joy of it,it was an accident,he's not going to randomly kill people. Danny raped for the joy of it and chances are would do it to Shel or Becca given the chance,pretty sure Russell says he's glad Danny died before they met Shel and Becca.

    Vince didn't accidentally kill.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Firewallcano wrote: »
    okay one I think this is the wrong forum it needs to be in the spoiler one. but anyway

    Danny was clearly lying about commiting his crime; while Justin was a dick he was honest about everything he'd done.

    Also Danny acted kind of dumb in my opinion - shouting at the walker for help and attracting attention.

    Finally the main reason was that danny was the one who suggested the idea so thats the reason

    Umm, didn't Justin admit to lying under oath in court?
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited August 2013
    Rape is as horrible a crime as murder IMO, and it's NOT kind of silly to make a decision based on his crime. If someone has done a horrible thing in the past, what's to stop them from doing it again? Rapists and murderers don't get to be instantly forgiven just because it's the apocalypse. That includes Lee and Vince. Picking a rapist to be in your group simply because "Oh, things are different now. What he did was in the past," seems silly. Just because Lee and Vince turned out well doesn't mean ALL criminals will. It's even heavily implied that Danny DIDN'T turn out as well as those two did by Russell on Day 400. Personally, I think both Danny and Justin are scum. I only shot Danny because it was his idea to basically blow somebody's foot off so the other two can escape, which means that he volunteered.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    marioluigi344 wrote: »
    cfl9%5b1%5d.jpeg

    lol wat
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    Rape is as horrible a crime as murder IMO, and it's NOT kind of silly to make a decision based on his crime. If someone has done a horrible thing in the past, what's to stop them from doing it again? Rapists and murderers don't get to be instantly forgiven just because it's the apocalypse. That includes Lee and Vince. Picking a rapist to be in your group simply because "Oh, things are different now. What he did was in the past," seems silly. Just because Lee and Vince turned out well doesn't mean ALL criminals will. It's even heavily implied that Danny DIDN'T turn out as well as those two did by Russell on Day 400. Personally, I think both Danny and Justin are scum. I only shot Danny because it was his idea to basically blow somebody's foot off so the other two can escape, which means that he volunteered.

    Well then that's fine, my question was directed at the numerous people who I've seen say that they killed Danny over Justin JUST because his crime was more serious. It seems like you killed him because it was his idea, which was reasonable.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    lol wat

    While it could be argued in some cases that rape is AS bad as some forms of murder, I can't see how it could possibly be WORSE than killing a person.
  • MikejamesMikejames
    edited August 2013
    Though the actual details about Danny's crime may be vague, rape is simply a less morally gray subject than anything that Lee did. You can't justify rape.
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    Well then that's fine, my question was directed at the numerous people who I've seen say that they killed Danny over Justin JUST because his crime was more serious. It seems like you killed him because it was his idea, which was reasonable.

    I was just pointing out reasons why just basing the decision on the crime each has committed is a reasonable action. I didn't decide using that reasoning, but I can see why others would. Just gave my 2 cents on why I understand why people look at it that way.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    Of course raping is worst then killing!
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Mikejames wrote: »
    Though the actual details about Danny's crime may be vague, rape is simply a less morally gray subject than anything that Lee did. You can't justify rape.

    Vince killed a man in cold blood; it was not a rage induced crime of passion.

    You can't justify that.


    Still, if the actually man is more useful than another, it makes more sense to save him regardless of what he did. He at least showed some form of regret in that bus, something Justin did not do.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    Mikejames wrote: »
    Though the actual details about Danny's crime may be vague, rape is simply a less morally gray subject than anything that Lee did. You can't justify rape.

    Are you even listening to what you're saying? Lee killed for a reason.
  • TTaing987TTaing987
    edited August 2013
    I killed Danny because I'd rather have Justin on my side. He's smarter.
  • thestalkingheadthestalkinghead
    edited August 2013
    there may be some things in the past that no longer matter after the apocalypse, but you don't just become a different person, if you were the kind of person who rapes someone, you will still be the kind of person who rapes someone, and the apocalypse would probably make it more likely that you would do it again, it is the sort of crime that isn't just circumstantial or just a mistake like shoplifting or vandalism etc. it is something that is deeply wrong with the core of their personality/brain
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    ^agree.
  • CrixusCrixus
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    Vince didn't accidentally kill.

    No but he had a purpose to protect his brother,he's not a serial killer who gets a joy out of their crimes like Rapists do.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    thestalkinghead wrote: »
    there may be some things in the past that no longer matter after the apocalypse, but you don't just become a different person, if you were the kind of person who rapes someone, you will still be the kind of person who rapes someone, and the apocalypse would probably make it more likely that you would do it again, it is the sort of crime that isn't just circumstantial or just a mistake like shoplifting or vandalism etc. it is something that is deeply wrong with the core of their personality/brain

    Lee was the kind of person who kills someone, as was Vince.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Crixus wrote: »
    No but he had a purpose to protect his brother,he's not a serial killer who gets a joy out of their crimes like Rapists do.

    Murder with a purpose is still murder.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    ^agree.

    If no-one changes, then Vince is still someone who thinks murder is justifiable.
  • ZeruisZeruis
    edited August 2013
    Long story short, I didn't want a rapist with me in the apocalypse. Also, I didn't want him to be a danger to any of the season 2 characters.
  • I Waste My TimeI Waste My Time
    edited August 2013
    true. But It's not like he enjoyed doing it.
  • CrixusCrixus
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    Murder with a purpose is still murder.

    Murder can sometimes be for the right reasons,if someone shot Hitler in the head it would be murder but would be for the greater good. There is no black and white when it comes to murder but raping is clear cut black and white WRONG.
  • CrixusCrixus
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    If no-one changes, then Vince is still someone who thinks murder is justifiable.

    Sometimes it is.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Crixus wrote: »
    Murder can sometimes be for the right reasons,if someone shot Hitler in the head it would be murder but would be for the greater good. There is no black and white when it comes to murder but raping is clear cut black and white WRONG.

    So the man having an affair with Lee's wife was as bad as Hitler?

    So the man causing problems for Vince's brother was as bad as Hitler?


    Vince had no excuse, not even the excuse of temporary insanity that Lee had. He killed a man. Regardless of whether it was to protect his brother, there are other ways to go about it.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Long story short, I didn't want a rapist with me in the apocalypse. Also, I didn't want him to be a danger to any of the season 2 characters.

    Oh ok, so you understood when Larry tried to kill Lee? Because that's the EXACT reasoning that Larry used.

    So you weren't angry at Larry AT ALL for trying to leave Lee behind, correct?
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Long story short, I didn't want a rapist with me in the apocalypse. Also, I didn't want him to be a danger to any of the season 2 characters.

    Also, I assume you are going to kill Vince as soon is possible in season 2, because you wouldn't want a murderer with you in the apocalypse right? You won't want him to be of any danger to the season 2 characters right?
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    Oh ok, so you understood when Larry tried to kill Lee? Because that's the EXACT reasoning that Larry used.

    So you weren't angry at Larry AT ALL for trying to leave Lee behind, correct?

    So Lee is a danger to the group? is that what you saying?
  • CrixusCrixus
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    So the man having an affair with Lee's wife was as bad as Hitler?

    So the man causing problems for Vince's brother was as bad as Hitler?


    Vince had no excuse, not even the excuse of temporary insanity that Lee had. He killed a man. Regardless of whether it was to protect his brother, there are other ways to go about it.

    Don't be stupid of course I'm not comparing them to Hitler that was just a laboured example. The fact is Lee/Vince aren't going to kill again whereas Danny will most likely rape the next attractive Woman he meets.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    So true. Lee won't kill again, he regrat all of it.
    i'm sure Vince won't kill too. They killed for a reason, Like Danny raped for no reason.
  • CrixusCrixus
    edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    So true. Lee won't kill again, he regrat all of it.
    i'm sure Vince won't kill too. They killed for a reason, Like Danny raped for no reason.

    ^ This. Danny Raped because he enjoys it like a drug,he will do it again. It's psychological.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    You are right. :)
  • ZeruisZeruis
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    Oh ok, so you understood when Larry tried to kill Lee? Because that's the EXACT reasoning that Larry used.

    So you weren't angry at Larry AT ALL for trying to leave Lee behind, correct?
    Flog61 wrote: »
    Also, I assume you are going to kill Vince as soon is possible in season 2, because you wouldn't want a murderer with you in the apocalypse right? You won't want him to be of any danger to the season 2 characters right?

    I never said I didn't want murderers with me in the apocalypse. Look how Lee turned out, I'm sure Vince will be like him too.

    I just didn't want Danny getting anywhere near Christa or Clem or anyone if they showed up in season 2. That was my first thought when making this choice.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Crixus wrote: »
    Don't be stupid of course I'm not comparing them to Hitler that was just a laboured example. The fact is Lee/Vince aren't going to kill again whereas Danny will most likely rape the next attractive Woman he meets.

    Do you have any evidence to back that up?
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    Yeah. He raped a 15 he can rape a 9 too!
    We don't need evidence.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    Crixus wrote: »
    ^ This. Danny Raped because he enjoys it like a drug,he will do it again. It's psychological.

    Depending on dialogue, choice, Vince doesn't regret it either.
  • Flog61Flog61
    edited August 2013
    fabi777 wrote: »
    So Lee is a danger to the group? is that what you saying?

    The guy I was replying to didn't want Danny in his group because he was a rapist and killed him for it.

    Larry didn't want Lee in his group because he was a murderer and tried to kill him for it.
  • fabi777fabi777
    edited August 2013
    Flog61 wrote: »
    Depending on dialogue, choice, Vince doesn't regret it either.

    That's right, it's a choise. He can even say "everyday"
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