did anyone else think the new episode (of the AMC show) "still" was bad?
such a shitty episode talk about a filler, i thought the plot of the episode would be better but instead they just try and find alcohol like wtf is that? no story development at all. the only part i liked was when it showed a sneak peek for next weeks episode.
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It was very bad. Daryl and Beth just drinking moonshine then fighting and crying.
i know man it was total bullshit, next episode better be good, i want something crazy to happen in the finale.like rick losing his right hand.
Still much better than the episode that only contained the 2 most overrated characters in the series. And an add to injury we had been waiting since fall for the episode. I'm obviously talking about the Season 4 part 2 premiere that was all about Carl and Michonne.
Yeah, it was pretty fuckin' stupid and boring episode. Annoying little Beth wants to taste an alcohol, who the fuck even wants to watch that kind of shit? I hope that next episode is much better.
I liked the hunting part and Daryl munching on that snake.
It was better than most of last season's Andrea episodes.
GUYS what are you talking about
that episode i liked and was alot better i thought, and atleast it advance the story a tiny bit, now rick and his group are "maybe" heading to terminus and glenn and tara and the 3 stooges are trying to find maggie.
i know? when it said an enlighting mission i thought maybe some of the survivors finally find each other but instead we got an episode of finding alcohol and crying.
oooooohhhhhhhh nooooooooooo, those episodes were way better and atleast advanced the story more, this episode just had no story development at all, like i know it was an episode for daryl and beth to get along better but they couldve made this episode alot better.
I just realized something guys! What if the lack of good episodes has a reason. A reason like going over budget? I mean the first half of season 4 had some crazy action scenes with plenty of explosions and other expensive effects, that must've costed way over the usual budget. Have anyone here watched Breaking Bad? If you remember the episode "Fly" you know what i mean. The episode was confirmed for being a filler that cost barely anything. 2 actors and a single room was all that was paid for, because they went over budget in the previous episode in the season. They are the same publishers, AMC so it's not impossible that this is the reason of draining this whole "group being separated and slowly drawn together" fillers. What do you think?
the walking dead season 4 episode 12 "still"
thats what were talking about.
my biggest problem was the fact Beth had never drank alcohol yet drunk so much Moonshine that it would make any grown man pass out... 100 times over!
I think with any budget, the writers could have still done a better job. 'Fly' was actually one of my favorite episodes. There were episodes of The Twilight Zone that only took place in one room or one set, and for their time they were probably amazing.
What? Abraham's group, Glenn, Tara and Maggies' group were not present in that episode, it was ONLY Carl, Michonne and a unconscious Rick. And all that happened was an alter backstory for Michonne and her deep thoughts and sadness whilst she moved with the herd and all Carl did was lure some walkers away, got into trouble, scavenged for food, got in trouble. This weeks episode was a backstory for Daryl and Beth and to show how they had handled the situation. It was bad compared to other episodes, yes. And it felt like a filler, yes. But this weeks episode i still feel was better than the Carl and Michonne one, by a mile.
Yeah they could have, I'm not gonna argue with you about how lacking it was. I just couldn't stand most of those Andrea/Woodbury episodes. The lady didn't have an ounce of reason in her head.
I don't see how it was "THAT" bad though. However Beth is starting to get on my nerves. She's starting to become Carl where she gets herself in trouble all the time because she wants to do things HER way.
well glenn and tara and abraham were in the beginning of the episode but yes the episode focused more on carl rick and michonne. but i still liked that episode alot more and atleast it advanced the story.
Not to start an argument but no, they were not. Abraham's group arrived at the very end of episode 10: "Inmates".
As i said earlier up above, "After" was so much worse.
From Aussie mate, no idea! Well I know it's from potatoes!
It was "meh". I thought the previous episodes after the mid-season were a little better than this one.
I never liked Beth. She's annoying, especially when she randomly sings. God I HATE that.
After the way they handled the mid season finale..... I need to muster more courage before I start watching the show again. Still, i heard the first 2 episodes are about Carl and Michonne. Jesus!
Hell, might as well start watching it now.
i have thought that it's a little odd that they're trying to develop a better understanding of everyone's back stories after most of them have been around for so long... it's like they're trying to set people up for their demise. give 'em a reason for why they decide to go out in whatever shit storm they get thrown into.
The best part in this episode was that Daryl complained about her singing. Unfortunately, that was the only good part.
If you caught Talking Dead after, you learn the snake was actually eel and Norman Reedus said it tasted terrible. Explains why Beth didn't want any. Norman ate so much eel he skipped lunch that day. Got to the point where he was just pushing it against his face and didn't bother to eat any because he hated it.
Every story has it's ups and downs. I very much doubt every issue of the comic was action packed. Look at your own lives. Is every day exciting? You likely have your down days, too. Most days are likely to be down than up. It's rather nice to see some downtime and to realize that there are opportunities to think about other things besides avoiding getting eaten for another day.
Remember, Hershel just died like 2-3 days or so before. Beth hasn't had a chance to grieve over the loss of her father, and she likely thinks Maggie's dead, too. Her father resorted to alcohol to deal with his problems so she thought maybe she could, too. This is a call back to when Shane takes out the barn of walkers in season 2 and Hershel went to the bar to drink his sorrows away. Like father, like daughter. This is mentioned with the StorySync that runs with the episode (which is usable not only on Windows 8 but also in a normal web browser). At the end, when they torched the house, it was a nice metaphor for putting the past behind them and moving forward.
So I take it most of you would rather jump from conflict to conflict skipping the why of how they got there? And you'd rather have flat characters so when they die you feel nothing for them? People would just get bored of it then. This episode really points out that Daryl and Beth both have feelings, they're not just robots. Watching Talking Dead after the show can sometimes help frame an episode. Norman and Emily (Beth) were on Talking Dead last night talking about this episode and brought up many good points. Next week, the show has two more cast members appearing.
There's also the fact that Daryl is not in the comic so we don't know him as well as the others. They have to take time outs even if it's only 5 minute scenes in an episode to give us insights into him. Daryl's a fan favorite. It was only a matter of time before he had his moment. If I do so recall, Beth's also not at this point in the comic so what she does going forward is unknown territory. This episode gives both a purpose to keep going and sets the stage for what they do later. Beth could've just given up in this episode and Daryl could've given up, too.
Rather than say the episode is crap, how would any of you go about to improve the story? Adapting from the comic like the show, how would you retell the story for TV? This applies to the entire series, not just this episode. If you can do better, then rewrite the episodes yourself. Post them online for people to read. Write each story as an episode script while keeping in mind the length of a TV episode. Transcribe a few episodes (don't forget the actions and setting for each scene) to help you get an idea of how long an episode should be. All you're doing is a fanfic so should be fine. Put your pen where your mouth is and try to show up the TV show writers. If you think you can make the show better, then do it. Don't talk.
Don't worry, it's almost only the first episode, but is is gut wrenching to watch through. I can't stand Carl nor Michonne, but hang in there because in the second episode Abraham and co. makes their arrival.
Thanks. I was planning on watching TWD this week either way since ep 2 is set to release tomorrow. Always good to know what to expect.
'Every story has it's ups and downs. I very much doubt every issue of the comic was action packed. Look at your own lives. Is every day exciting?'
Nope and guess what? I wouldn't want to share and show this to a Audience. Its.. awkward. Scenes like these are redundant Character Building. I'm all for interpersonal Relationships but this Show maneuvers those Parts into plain boringness. Almost constantly.
I know its hard to bring something up between Action and Slaughter Moments but dunno.. it is not much entertaining the Way it is.
the character building isn't a bad thing, but it's that we already know these people. getting a little insight into their backstory after 2-3 full seasons of them being around just feels wrong. if they added a new person in and were tellin stories, sure, but these are people we already know/care about and this sort of backstory placement just seems off unless they're planning to use it for something, which doesn't bode well for michonne or daryl...
It's called "Character development" WOOOOW who knew such a thing existed right?
"Filler Rose", i call it.
The only thing bad was Norman Reedus's attempt at crying again. At least Emily was able to make her's more authentic since "18 Miles Out'
I thought the writing was good for "Fly". It was more then just Walter's OCD to just kill a fly in the lab it was a representation of the bigger story at hand with Gustavo Freeman. Breaking bad also has a lot of good cinematography when nothing is happening so that its not a big waste of time.The walking Dead should take note from breaking bad and show something interesting like what a zombie does in its day while the character is talking or just show something interesting if a scene is boring like a close up of things around them.
I dont know how to put it but there's a lot of things breaking bad did with a low budget which made the show so much more, mostly just foreshadowing or small things about whats to come like the boy on his dirt bike who collected a spider in a pov camera view which seemed like filler but then the boy was later shot by someone in Walter's group just because they were not to be seen. It had a huge effect on the story.
If this drinking event in TWD has no effect the main story at hand then why even show it? Sure we get to examine the characters more but who's examining a 30 minute conversation with out anything interesting happening.
Yeah, Breaking Bad was excellent at that, however this episode wasn't just plain bad. It was more or less just slow and had nothing but character development in it. Now i only say that it is a below average because even if i do enjoy backstories on characters it felt much slower than it had to be. I remember checking several times how much time there was left in hope of seeing something else than Daryl's tragic past and Beth's obsession with her first "drink". It gave us some backstory and showed us how they felt after everything that happened, but that's it. And that's why people think it's a bad episode, because barely anything happened.
I liked the episode. It's kind of frustrating to me when I see how people are always so down on episodes like this. Yeah, it was a slower pace. But we actually got quite a lot in the way of character development with Daryl and Beth here. It's nice to have these quieter episodes that just delve into who these characters are, and they help to pace the more action-oriented episodes so that you appreciate those more when they do come.
People always complain about the "soap opera" drama of episodes like this or when they were on the farm, but to me, that sort of character drama what The Walking Dead is all about. It's what keeps the showing from becoming just another boring zombie movie that just shows headshot after headshot until you don't care any more.
To be fair, "Fly" was a truly exceptional example of a bottle episode done tremendously well. On most shows, bottle episodes tend to be more hit-or-miss.
At first I thought this was about the game and I was ready to come in here and give you hell :P Seriously though I agree all these Episodes so far have been disappointing to say the least
Watching it now, be back in 45 minutes