Yes, it was hinted that he could return to life, and it probably was a cheap shot(I don't really know, I don't read the comics), but he still died. Also, there are quite a lot of fables that could be considered basically demigods in that case. Beast is pretty strong, I've seen a portion of the comics where Prince Charming completely owns Bigby in a fight(though I don't know what happened after that), there's lots of very strong fables. I think Bigby mostly wins fights because hes also very smart. In the game, at least, you always get to attack weak spots and use your environment to your advantage.
Last issue that I read hinted that it's still possible for him to come back (admittedly, I'm not 100% caught up though). Though he's "dead" … morehe's still basically a demigod.
And, let's not forget just how much Brandish had to finagle things to even take Bigby down. His defeat was totally a cheap shot. There was a lot of very strong magic involved.
Victory gained only because your enemies fucked up and not because you were good enough is much less satisfying, in my opinion.
I think there would be enough risk if there was a reason for Mary to not chop Bigby's head off. But no, Telltale couldn't come up with a good reason I guess. Even Snow having a gun would have been a good enough reason for me. Speaking of which, Snow's been around a lot of the fights and she's putting her self in a lot of danger, whyyyy doesn't she have a gun?
If either of your theories are true, that means Mary might have been following Bigby for a while....probably, at least. Good find with the axe wound thing too, I guess the killer is found then.
I have the theory that she retrieved it after Bigby and Woody's fight at the beginning of episode 1. At the end you see Bigby pull the axe o… moreut of the woodsman's head and throw it on the sidewalk. Later you see the woodsman ran away but the sidewalk isn't showed so you can't see the axe on the ground.
Later, in Crane's office, if you ask the mirror you can see the Woodsman walking in an alley half drunk, without the axe.
My guess is that the axe was left on the sidewalk after the fight and Bloody Mary (or one of the tweedles) came over and took it from the ground or maybe from Toad (who is known for stealing stuff from neighbours as we learn in episode 2)
My other guess is that the Woodsman lost his axe in the period we can't see between the fight and the moment we see him trough the mirror, and Mary found it.
Anyway, it's clear now that Bloody mary killed both Faith and Lily using the Woodsman's axe. Bigby himself said that to cut… [view original content]
First off, I think people like Mary because she's apparently not in the comics, so she's unique to the game, she has a lot of character potential, perhaps people want to see her real form(without a glamour)....and she looks kind of hot, in glamoured form at least.
What I mean by strength is that....she broke Bigby's arm while he was in wolf form with what seemed like not much effort. I know that the silver bullet weakened him, but it shouldn't have changed his body structure, just his actual strength and pain resistance. He should have still been just as tough to harm, in my opinion. Same body structure, it should still have been pretty hard to just break his arm like she did, in my opinion at least. =/
Do you really think that one woman who scares people in the mirror is more powerful than The BIG bad WOLF? The only reason she broke his arm so easy was because Bigby was shot with a silver bullet and that made him weak.She is no match for him
Well, Crooked Man wanted Crane, not Bigby and Snow. The reason why Bigby is alive is maybe because he probably thought that he got what he needed so it wouldn't make sense to make more victims. Plus, maybe he thought that killing Bigby would be too merciful so letting him to suffer is much better and also thinks that Bigby and Snow can't stop him.
Bigby is different, though. He is a demigod because of who his father is. The North Wind, one of the Great Powers. As strong as Bigby is throughout the series, it's hinted that he has even more power that he never tapped into.
And the fight that you're thinking of isn't with Prince Charming. That's the fight with Prince Brandish that I was talking about in my last post. And Brandish is a cheap ass bastard who had to basically cheat his way to that victory by using tons of ultra strong magic. It wasn't any ordinary fight. Plus, like I said, he may not have even killed Bigby like he thought he did.
And the comics are awesome! If you read them all of what I said makes more sense.
Yes, it was hinted that he could return to life, and it probably was a cheap shot(I don't really know, I don't read the comics), but he stil… morel died. Also, there are quite a lot of fables that could be considered basically demigods in that case. Beast is pretty strong, I've seen a portion of the comics where Prince Charming completely owns Bigby in a fight(though I don't know what happened after that), there's lots of very strong fables. I think Bigby mostly wins fights because hes also very smart. In the game, at least, you always get to attack weak spots and use your environment to your advantage.
Yeah, I hate plot holes like that too. It's kinda stupid, unless the 'hidden mastermind' has a proper explanation for his leniency later on in the story. Mary had the perfect opportunity to eradicate a potential threat but she didn't do it.
From what Mary said to Snow and Bigby before she left, it's clear that she and the Crooked Man think they now have Fabletown's new Administration in their pocket. From that perspective it makes sense to leave them for new.
Yeah, I hate plot holes like that too. It's kinda stupid, unless the 'hidden mastermind' has a proper explanation for his leniency later on in the story. Mary had the perfect opportunity to eradicate a potential threat but she didn't do it.
That's the thing - they're badass heroes, especially the Big Bad Wolf who's not really known for showing restraint. Logically speaking, it would make more sense to eradicate this huge potential threat that's sure to come back and bite you down the road. Villains in stories often make the mistake of underestimating the heroes, especially anti-heroes like Bigby. It's quite the cliche, really.
From what Mary said to Snow and Bigby before she left, it's clear that she and the Crooked Man think they now have Fabletown's new Administration in their pocket. From that perspective it makes sense to leave them for new.
Bigby is different, though. He is a demigod because of who his father is. The North Wind, one of the Great Powers. As strong as Bigby is thr… moreoughout the series, it's hinted that he has even more power that he never tapped into.
And the fight that you're thinking of isn't with Prince Charming. That's the fight with Prince Brandish that I was talking about in my last post. And Brandish is a cheap ass bastard who had to basically cheat his way to that victory by using tons of ultra strong magic. It wasn't any ordinary fight. Plus, like I said, he may not have even killed Bigby like he thought he did.
And the comics are awesome! If you read them all of what I said makes more sense.
People have already told you why Bigby's arm was so easily broken, he was cursed after being stabbed with a lycanthropy knife (years ago) and now he is extremely weak against silver. I was more so joking about Mary, I don't care if people think she is sexual attractive or whatever; attractive or not she is still a kiddie murderer (I really don't think that is attractive). What does Bigby's body structure have to do with it? I don't see your logic here. if I make a paper mache Bigby with the same "body structure" and break its arm does that make me strong lol? The fact of the matter is this, Bigby was shot by a silver bullet which weakened him considerably thus allowing for his arm to be broken--body structure or not.
First off, I think people like Mary because she's apparently not in the comics, so she's unique to the game, she has a lot of character pote… morential, perhaps people want to see her real form(without a glamour)....and she looks kind of hot, in glamoured form at least.
What I mean by strength is that....she broke Bigby's arm while he was in wolf form with what seemed like not much effort. I know that the silver bullet weakened him, but it shouldn't have changed his body structure, just his actual strength and pain resistance. He should have still been just as tough to harm, in my opinion. Same body structure, it should still have been pretty hard to just break his arm like she did, in my opinion at least. =/
People have already told you why Bigby's arm was so easily broken, he was cursed after being stabbed with a lycanthropy knife (years ago) an… mored now he is extremely weak against silver. I was more so joking about Mary, I don't care if people think she is sexual attractive or whatever; attractive or not she is still a kiddie murderer (I really don't think that is attractive). What does Bigby's body structure have to do with it? I don't see your logic here. if I make a paper mache Bigby with the same "body structure" and break its arm does that make me strong lol? The fact of the matter is this, Bigby was shot by a silver bullet which weakened him considerably thus allowing for his arm to be broken--body structure or not.
Why did you write this? I'm saying she is worse than the average murderer because she murders kids. Moreover that strength and dangerous psychopathy are not the same thing. Her status as a murderer is not in question here lol.
Being weakened by a silver bullet shouldn't change Bigby's physical body structure at all, meaning it should still be just as hard to break his arm. The silver bullet just drained his strength, it didn't turn him into his human form, so that doesn't explain his arm breaking so easily. Bloody Mary must at least have above average strength and judging by her being appointed as an apparent commander by the Crooked Man and the fear that the Tweedles have of her, also how she directly challenged Bigby with such confidence, I'd say she has more up her sleeve than just above average strength....
People have already told you why Bigby's arm was so easily broken, he was cursed after being stabbed with a lycanthropy knife (years ago) an… mored now he is extremely weak against silver. I was more so joking about Mary, I don't care if people think she is sexual attractive or whatever; attractive or not she is still a kiddie murderer (I really don't think that is attractive). What does Bigby's body structure have to do with it? I don't see your logic here. if I make a paper mache Bigby with the same "body structure" and break its arm does that make me strong lol? The fact of the matter is this, Bigby was shot by a silver bullet which weakened him considerably thus allowing for his arm to be broken--body structure or not.
I don't think you really read my response so I will reiterate it, "What does Bigby's body structure have to do with it? I don't see your logic here. if I make a paper mache Bigby with the same "body structure" and break its arm does that make me strong lol? The fact of the matter is this, Bigby was shot by a silver bullet which weakened him considerably thus allowing for his arm to be broken--body structure or not." Logically what matters is Bigby's strength, not simply the structure of his body. As I tried to exemplify above, what is said structure without strength? It is frail. What caused the sapping of Bigby's strength ? The silver bullet. This weakened him in his werewolf form enough that his arm could be easily broken. Therefore, the 'body structure' on which you have poised your statements is irrelevant. Just think of silver as Bigby's kryptonite.
Being weakened by a silver bullet shouldn't change Bigby's physical body structure at all, meaning it should still be just as hard to break … morehis arm. The silver bullet just drained his strength, it didn't turn him into his human form, so that doesn't explain his arm breaking so easily. Bloody Mary must at least have above average strength and judging by her being appointed as an apparent commander by the Crooked Man and the fear that the Tweedles have of her, also how she directly challenged Bigby with such confidence, I'd say she has more up her sleeve than just above average strength....
I wonder what she looks like with no glamour....
If that's true, then why did she kill Faith and Lily, who was disguised as Snow? She has the means, and I do like your theory, but what is them motive?
What could Bloody Mary, the Tweedle's and the Crooked Man possibly gain from killing these women?
If either of your theories are true, that means Mary might have been following Bigby for a while....probably, at least. Good find with the axe wound thing too, I guess the killer is found then.
If that's true, then why did she kill Faith and Lily, who was disguised as Snow? She has the means, and I do like your theory, but what is t… morehem motive?
What could Bloody Mary, the Tweedle's and the Crooked Man possibly gain from killing these women?
If the chance arises, hell ya I'm going to take her down! As Green said, she's the she-devil and I'd think Bigby would have no trouble killing her. I didn't kill Dum because I didn't think it was too worth it (maybe in my next playthrough I will though).
Also I am a girl so I'd kill her but only because it feels like that's what Bigby would do.
I never said it's okay, just it's easier for me. generally.
Then again I don't think I'll have any problem beating the living shit out of… more her. Payback. But killing? No no. Then again I haven't killed anyone in TWAU so far, I prefer not killing people in games like that. Just....Mary has boobs, so she gets the deluxe freepass while guys get regular passes.
If the chance arises, hell ya I'm going to take her down! As Green said, she's the she-devil and I'd think Bigby would have no trouble killi… moreng her. I didn't kill Dum because I didn't think it was too worth it (maybe in my next playthrough I will though).
Also I am a girl so I'd kill her but only because it feels like that's what Bigby would do.
Bigby is different, though. He is a demigod because of who his father is. The North Wind, one of the Great Powers. As strong as Bigby is thr… moreoughout the series, it's hinted that he has even more power that he never tapped into.
And the fight that you're thinking of isn't with Prince Charming. That's the fight with Prince Brandish that I was talking about in my last post. And Brandish is a cheap ass bastard who had to basically cheat his way to that victory by using tons of ultra strong magic. It wasn't any ordinary fight. Plus, like I said, he may not have even killed Bigby like he thought he did.
And the comics are awesome! If you read them all of what I said makes more sense.
This is a good question. I guess everything will be explained later. I guess both Faith and Lilly found out something they shouldn't know.
I have this strange feeling the Crooked Man didn't send Mary to kill those two on his own decision. Maybe someone payed him to send Bloody Mary kill Faith and Lily (maybe Bluebeard, in order to get rid of Crane and become new ruler of Fabletown?) This is just my guess anyway.
If that's true, then why did she kill Faith and Lily, who was disguised as Snow? She has the means, and I do like your theory, but what is t… morehem motive?
What could Bloody Mary, the Tweedle's and the Crooked Man possibly gain from killing these women?
As of right now, we know Georgie is affiliated with the Crooked Man(when Bigby comes to the pudding n pie in episode 3 crane calls for help and the crooked man comes) and it's his hookers that have been dying. The only big connections we have to the two murder victims is they both worked for Georgie and they were both....sort of were affiliated with Bigby(he was getting along great with Faith and Lilly was glamoured as Snow).
I'd say either the crooked man is trying to hurt Bigby without physically hurting him by killing everyone he cares about then framing him for the murders, or they're killing people who owe the Crooked Man money and aren't paying them.
If that's true, then why did she kill Faith and Lily, who was disguised as Snow? She has the means, and I do like your theory, but what is t… morehem motive?
What could Bloody Mary, the Tweedle's and the Crooked Man possibly gain from killing these women?
That is a very good point. Maybe he could have taken her down otherwise....probably not though. As soon as the bullet hit him he stopped moving and dropped to the ground a few seconds later and Mary seemed completely ready for him regardless....and she seemed to be eagerly wanting him to attack her for some reason lol.
Bigby probably still could have taken Mary down before Mary shot him, the problem was that Snow was there and Bigby was not paying attention… more to Mary. He was all like 'hey Snow I'm sorr...Owww! I've been shot again how original to this episode (not), oh yes and of course it is a silver bullet just dandy...'lol
If you make a paper mache of Bigby, you can't have the same body structure, because it's made out of paper. Perhaps you misunderstood ME. I mean that Bigby gets bigger and more muscular, trying to break his arm in that state would be like trying to break the arm of a sleeping expert bodybuilder. They're sleeping, sure, but that doesn't make their arm easy to break. Mary must have at least above average strength to break it like a stick.
All the silver bullet seems to have done is drain his energy and make him less resilient to pain. Kind of like Superman, since you made a kryptonite reference. Basically, injuring Bigby and him feeling it more would make sense. Being able to break his arm more easily wouldn't. You'd have to break through the same exact muscle tissue and the same exact bones, the silver bullet didn't deteriorate Bigby's muscles and bones.
I don't think you really read my response so I will reiterate it, "What does Bigby's body structure have to do with it? I don't see your lo… moregic here. if I make a paper mache Bigby with the same "body structure" and break its arm does that make me strong lol? The fact of the matter is this, Bigby was shot by a silver bullet which weakened him considerably thus allowing for his arm to be broken--body structure or not." Logically what matters is Bigby's strength, not simply the structure of his body. As I tried to exemplify above, what is said structure without strength? It is frail. What caused the sapping of Bigby's strength ? The silver bullet. This weakened him in his werewolf form enough that his arm could be easily broken. Therefore, the 'body structure' on which you have poised your statements is irrelevant. Just think of silver as Bigby's kryptonite.
That's the thing - they're badass heroes, especially the Big Bad Wolf who's not really known for showing restraint. Logically speaking, it w… moreould make more sense to eradicate this huge potential threat that's sure to come back and bite you down the road. Villains in stories often make the mistake of underestimating the heroes, especially anti-heroes like Bigby. It's quite the cliche, really.
Oh. Yes, she could have just shot him in the head with a silver bullet. Though honestly, one alone probably wouldn't have killed him regardless imo. She had a revolver so that's probably 6 silver bullets.
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Yes, it was hinted that he could return to life, and it probably was a cheap shot(I don't really know, I don't read the comics), but he still died. Also, there are quite a lot of fables that could be considered basically demigods in that case. Beast is pretty strong, I've seen a portion of the comics where Prince Charming completely owns Bigby in a fight(though I don't know what happened after that), there's lots of very strong fables. I think Bigby mostly wins fights because hes also very smart. In the game, at least, you always get to attack weak spots and use your environment to your advantage.
Victory gained only because your enemies fucked up and not because you were good enough is much less satisfying, in my opinion.
I think there would be enough risk if there was a reason for Mary to not chop Bigby's head off. But no, Telltale couldn't come up with a good reason I guess. Even Snow having a gun would have been a good enough reason for me. Speaking of which, Snow's been around a lot of the fights and she's putting her self in a lot of danger, whyyyy doesn't she have a gun?
Actually her power is to travel through mirrors.That is how she gets to her victims. Other than that she may have a dog....Bark
If either of your theories are true, that means Mary might have been following Bigby for a while....probably, at least. Good find with the axe wound thing too, I guess the killer is found then.
First off, I think people like Mary because she's apparently not in the comics, so she's unique to the game, she has a lot of character potential, perhaps people want to see her real form(without a glamour)....and she looks kind of hot, in glamoured form at least.
What I mean by strength is that....she broke Bigby's arm while he was in wolf form with what seemed like not much effort. I know that the silver bullet weakened him, but it shouldn't have changed his body structure, just his actual strength and pain resistance. He should have still been just as tough to harm, in my opinion. Same body structure, it should still have been pretty hard to just break his arm like she did, in my opinion at least. =/
I'm pretty sure that if Mary had shot him in the head with the silver bullet, she would have been somewhat of a match for him... :P
Well, Crooked Man wanted Crane, not Bigby and Snow. The reason why Bigby is alive is maybe because he probably thought that he got what he needed so it wouldn't make sense to make more victims. Plus, maybe he thought that killing Bigby would be too merciful so letting him to suffer is much better and also thinks that Bigby and Snow can't stop him.
Bigby is different, though. He is a demigod because of who his father is. The North Wind, one of the Great Powers. As strong as Bigby is throughout the series, it's hinted that he has even more power that he never tapped into.
And the fight that you're thinking of isn't with Prince Charming. That's the fight with Prince Brandish that I was talking about in my last post. And Brandish is a cheap ass bastard who had to basically cheat his way to that victory by using tons of ultra strong magic. It wasn't any ordinary fight. Plus, like I said, he may not have even killed Bigby like he thought he did.
And the comics are awesome! If you read them all of what I said makes more sense.
Yeah, I hate plot holes like that too. It's kinda stupid, unless the 'hidden mastermind' has a proper explanation for his leniency later on in the story. Mary had the perfect opportunity to eradicate a potential threat but she didn't do it.
From what Mary said to Snow and Bigby before she left, it's clear that she and the Crooked Man think they now have Fabletown's new Administration in their pocket. From that perspective it makes sense to leave them for new.
That's the thing - they're badass heroes, especially the Big Bad Wolf who's not really known for showing restraint. Logically speaking, it would make more sense to eradicate this huge potential threat that's sure to come back and bite you down the road. Villains in stories often make the mistake of underestimating the heroes, especially anti-heroes like Bigby. It's quite the cliche, really.
Hey Violet is that Rose on your avatar?
Yep. Sure is.
People have already told you why Bigby's arm was so easily broken, he was cursed after being stabbed with a lycanthropy knife (years ago) and now he is extremely weak against silver. I was more so joking about Mary, I don't care if people think she is sexual attractive or whatever; attractive or not she is still a kiddie murderer (I really don't think that is attractive). What does Bigby's body structure have to do with it? I don't see your logic here. if I make a paper mache Bigby with the same "body structure" and break its arm does that make me strong lol? The fact of the matter is this, Bigby was shot by a silver bullet which weakened him considerably thus allowing for his arm to be broken--body structure or not.
She's bloody mary dude of course she's a murderer
Why did you write this? I'm saying she is worse than the average murderer because she murders kids. Moreover that strength and dangerous psychopathy are not the same thing. Her status as a murderer is not in question here lol.
Personally I would say the actual value was closer to 11/36
Being weakened by a silver bullet shouldn't change Bigby's physical body structure at all, meaning it should still be just as hard to break his arm. The silver bullet just drained his strength, it didn't turn him into his human form, so that doesn't explain his arm breaking so easily. Bloody Mary must at least have above average strength and judging by her being appointed as an apparent commander by the Crooked Man and the fear that the Tweedles have of her, also how she directly challenged Bigby with such confidence, I'd say she has more up her sleeve than just above average strength....
I wonder what she looks like with no glamour....
My guess is Mary will be some form of a "Final boss" to the next episode and in that battle we will really see how powerful she is.
I don't think you really read my response so I will reiterate it, "What does Bigby's body structure have to do with it? I don't see your logic here. if I make a paper mache Bigby with the same "body structure" and break its arm does that make me strong lol? The fact of the matter is this, Bigby was shot by a silver bullet which weakened him considerably thus allowing for his arm to be broken--body structure or not." Logically what matters is Bigby's strength, not simply the structure of his body. As I tried to exemplify above, what is said structure without strength? It is frail. What caused the sapping of Bigby's strength ? The silver bullet. This weakened him in his werewolf form enough that his arm could be easily broken. Therefore, the 'body structure' on which you have poised your statements is irrelevant. Just think of silver as Bigby's kryptonite.
Okay, good to know! : )
If that's true, then why did she kill Faith and Lily, who was disguised as Snow? She has the means, and I do like your theory, but what is them motive?
What could Bloody Mary, the Tweedle's and the Crooked Man possibly gain from killing these women?
Din't Dee say that Faith stole something from the Crooked Man? I think that's the reason. As for Lilly, I don't know.
If the chance arises, hell ya I'm going to take her down! As Green said, she's the she-devil and I'd think Bigby would have no trouble killing her. I didn't kill Dum because I didn't think it was too worth it (maybe in my next playthrough I will though).
Also I am a girl so I'd kill her but only because it feels like that's what Bigby would do.
The BBW has Disney cartoons that should be worth a lot more than sleepover stories
I'm probably the most merciful person alive, so I probably won't kill bloody mary if I can avoid it. ;-;
DAMMIT
Well, she was plenty of a match for him just shooting him in the side with one. xD
Oh. ._.
I meant to say that she was intelligent enough to outmatch Bigby by using a silver bullet on him, as opposed to what Imsopretty said about Mary.
Hm....maybe she can use reflective surfaces as teleporters, then? That would be an interesting power.
No, she stole a picture from Crane and Crane hired the tweedles to get it back. It was probably a picture of him and Lilly glamoured as Snow. >.>
This is a good question. I guess everything will be explained later. I guess both Faith and Lilly found out something they shouldn't know.
I have this strange feeling the Crooked Man didn't send Mary to kill those two on his own decision. Maybe someone payed him to send Bloody Mary kill Faith and Lily (maybe Bluebeard, in order to get rid of Crane and become new ruler of Fabletown?) This is just my guess anyway.
As of right now, we know Georgie is affiliated with the Crooked Man(when Bigby comes to the pudding n pie in episode 3 crane calls for help and the crooked man comes) and it's his hookers that have been dying. The only big connections we have to the two murder victims is they both worked for Georgie and they were both....sort of were affiliated with Bigby(he was getting along great with Faith and Lilly was glamoured as Snow).
I'd say either the crooked man is trying to hurt Bigby without physically hurting him by killing everyone he cares about then framing him for the murders, or they're killing people who owe the Crooked Man money and aren't paying them.
That is a very good point. Maybe he could have taken her down otherwise....probably not though. As soon as the bullet hit him he stopped moving and dropped to the ground a few seconds later and Mary seemed completely ready for him regardless....and she seemed to be eagerly wanting him to attack her for some reason lol.
If you make a paper mache of Bigby, you can't have the same body structure, because it's made out of paper. Perhaps you misunderstood ME. I mean that Bigby gets bigger and more muscular, trying to break his arm in that state would be like trying to break the arm of a sleeping expert bodybuilder. They're sleeping, sure, but that doesn't make their arm easy to break. Mary must have at least above average strength to break it like a stick.
All the silver bullet seems to have done is drain his energy and make him less resilient to pain. Kind of like Superman, since you made a kryptonite reference. Basically, injuring Bigby and him feeling it more would make sense. Being able to break his arm more easily wouldn't. You'd have to break through the same exact muscle tissue and the same exact bones, the silver bullet didn't deteriorate Bigby's muscles and bones.
This guy gets it. ^
I would like that.
Oh. Yes, she could have just shot him in the head with a silver bullet. Though honestly, one alone probably wouldn't have killed him regardless imo. She had a revolver so that's probably 6 silver bullets.
Im not sure how Bigby being alive is a plothole. Apparently, The Crooked Man let him live, as if he could kill him, because he has plans for him.