Questions regarding the episode 3 ending(spoilers)

135

Comments

  • But we all know that Bigby is going to stop the crooked man from doing what ever he's trying to do because he was allowed to live. The only reason the good guys will win and the bad guys will lose is because the bad guys were stupid and spared Bigby for no good reason.

    KCohere posted: »

    Im not sure how Bigby being alive is a plothole. Apparently, The Crooked Man let him live, as if he could kill him, because he has plans for him.

  • Which is the best explanation for the next episode's chapter achievements. The Crooked Man wants to play a game with Bigby, hence "Once upon a time there was a wolf who ruled the land, he was much feared, but soon mended his evil ways... and all were happy." It is a lot like Telltale giving us the "Next Time On" trailer.

    KCohere posted: »

    Im not sure how Bigby being alive is a plothole. Apparently, The Crooked Man let him live, as if he could kill him, because he has plans for him.

  • I don't think it is really worth talking to you anymore, as you don't seem to know what body structure is, and you are wrapped up in your own confirmation bias. So. I'm going to leave it at this.

    If you make a paper mache of Bigby, you can't have the same body structure, because it's made out of paper. Perhaps you misunderstood ME.

  • edited April 2014

    I said he could have neutralized Mary "before Mary shot him" but he was not paying attention.... How is it logical to respond, "probably not though. As soon as the bullet hit him he stopped moving"? I specifically wrote, he could have taken her down before that, but he got too fixated on Snow and was shot.

    That is a very good point. Maybe he could have taken her down otherwise....probably not though. As soon as the bullet hit him he stopped m

  • Yes, but damn Bigby is stupid .. can't he see she's loading the silver bullet? Geez, I realised as soon as I saw her put a bullet in the gun .. ah f*ck, she's got a silver bullet! How predictable, I turned out right. That made me think though, being a werewolf you'd know about these things and run. You know, jump over the car on the other street, get back in the bar, etc etc.

    Oh. Yes, she could have just shot him in the head with a silver bullet. Though honestly, one alone probably wouldn't have killed him regardless imo. She had a revolver so that's probably 6 silver bullets.

  • If strengths relied on popularity, the 3 little pigs would certainly kick bloody mary's arse.

    That_1_Guy posted: »

    Well-known is well-known. She is probably strong because of that. (I don't know if people who are well-known are stronger, but that's what I've heard somewhere around this forum.)

  • F*ck the arm, she was about to decapitate him. Like frostbite said, it's a major plot hole that Snow would say "ok stop" and she would decide not to kill bigby. If I were evil, I would have certainly chopped his head along with snow's head too.

    Imsopretty posted: »

    Wow so you really thinks that Mary can kill him.Like I said she breaks his arm because he was weak and had a silver bullet in his body.He is one of the most famous Fables and he is pretty much immortal.Plus that wasnt his final form....

  • The woodsman would have certainly complained "Give me back my axe Bigby!"

    Endrik posted: »

    I have the theory that she retrieved it after Bigby and Woody's fight at the beginning of episode 1. At the end you see Bigby pull the axe o

  • mmm... what if Show White is VERY powerful? What if Bloody Mary is scared of Snow white? She dropped a line at the first episode that she could fend for herself...

    That is a very good point. Maybe he could have taken her down otherwise....probably not though. As soon as the bullet hit him he stopped m

  • I can imagine that being what her fight is like, leading bigby into a room full of mirrors or something, and popping in and out of them while attacking him

    Hm....maybe she can use reflective surfaces as teleporters, then? That would be an interesting power.

  • I just know draining someone's energy away doesn't change their body structure. Meh.

    MagnusLupus posted: »

    I don't think it is really worth talking to you anymore, as you don't seem to know what body structure is, and you are wrapped up in your own confirmation bias. So. I'm going to leave it at this.

  • Because Mary could have just loaded the gun and shot him at any point during the fight instead of letting it play out. She seemed very ready for him throughout the whole fight. Granted he probably could have dodged, but he probably couldn't have actually gotten to her before she could load the gun and shoot him. Then again, I don't know how fast she could load it if she was in a hurry.

    It was stupid of her to even wait though.

    MagnusLupus posted: »

    I said he could have neutralized Mary "before Mary shot him" but he was not paying attention.... How is it logical to respond, "probably not

  • Funny, but probably not. I haven't seen any talk of Snow doing anything abnormally powerful in the comics(I don't read them my self so I don't know for sure) and I don't think Telltale would stray far from the comics and change Snow's character into a badass like that. I'd welcome it, but I don't think they'd do it.

    srcritical posted: »

    mmm... what if Show White is VERY powerful? What if Bloody Mary is scared of Snow white? She dropped a line at the first episode that she could fend for herself...

  • Maybe not. The only times Bigby and the Woodsman have associated with each other since the fight where the Woodsman probably lost his axe were when the Woodsman was being interrogated(determinant), when he was under questioning for a murder and when he was too caught up with depression for various reasons to care about something like that at the moment(always, apparently).

    srcritical posted: »

    The woodsman would have certainly complained "Give me back my axe Bigby!"

  • That has nothing to do with what I wrote, I'm talking about Bigby neutralizing Mary, meaning (in self defense terms) in that situation Mary would be disarmed...If Bigby neutralizes the threat, it would be a contradiction to say-as you did-"probably not though. As soon as the bullet hit him he stopped moving." The thought experiment precludes Bigby getting shot, and assumes if he was not distracted how he could have disarmed Mary (before Bigby was shot). I reiterate part of my original post: "Bigby probably still could have taken Mary down before Mary shot him, the problem was that Snow was there and Bigby was not paying attention to Mary."

    Because Mary could have just loaded the gun and shot him at any point during the fight instead of letting it play out. She seemed very read

  • Yet if he played the fight perfectly, it's unfair to not say Mary would not have taken it seriously as well, and she could have shot him at any point in the fight if he tried to disarm her. I'm saying she would shoot him the second he tried to attack her and since the bullet made him stop moving immediately, he likely wouldn't have been able to counterattack. Though, like I already said, he might have been able to just dodge the bullet, so he might have been able to defeat Mary if he wasn't distracted. I just don't think he could get to her before she had a chance to shoot.

    MagnusLupus posted: »

    That has nothing to do with what I wrote, I'm talking about Bigby neutralizing Mary, meaning (in self defense terms) in that situation Mary

  • First of all, seriousness has nothing to do with this, you are using it as a red-herring. Secondly there are lots of ways Bigby could have avoided being shot, especially since the weapon in question is a revolver. A revolver which Mary only loaded one bullet into, and it takes a very long time to reload such a gun.

    Yet if he played the fight perfectly, it's unfair to not say Mary would not have taken it seriously as well, and she could have shot him at

  • You don't really have to be that strong to break someones arm at the certain angle, if we cant use our arms to crack something in half we usually use our feet at the angle she broke Bigby's arm. I understand he was in wolf form, but Bloody Mary is a fable. They are all strong. Perhaps she is stronger then most, but she doesnt have to be a monster to break anyones arm

  • So you just completely agreed with me. "There are lots of ways he could have avoided being shot", that's what I've been saying. He probably couldn't get to her before she got a chance to shoot, but he could dodge the bullet.

    MagnusLupus posted: »

    First of all, seriousness has nothing to do with this, you are using it as a red-herring. Secondly there are lots of ways Bigby could have a

  • I never said she was a monster(though she probably is, just glamoured, because she's Bloody Mary), just that she seems to have above average strength. Also, it seems not all fables are strong. For instance, Snow, Beauty, Toad.

    Jere85 posted: »

    You don't really have to be that strong to break someones arm at the certain angle, if we cant use our arms to crack something in half we us

  • edited April 2014

    No, I'm not agreeing with your posts. Your posts were contradictory (I've already explained why)except for this one: "Though, like I already said, he might have been able to just dodge the bullet." I don't think Bigby could dodge a bullet, but he could use something or someone as a shield and use a self defense maneuver to disarm Mary, which would be a likely scenario. He could have disarmed her before the gun went off as well. Also, if you are assuming that Bigby can dodge a bullet, but not be quick enough to disarm Mary then you are being ridiculous. There are lots of ways for Bigby to avoid being shot yes, CQB/CQC being the one that I'm talking about.

    So you just completely agreed with me. "There are lots of ways he could have avoided being shot", that's what I've been saying. He probably couldn't get to her before she got a chance to shoot, but he could dodge the bullet.

  • Well Bigby dodged a shotgun shell from a few feet away, I think he could have dodged the silver bullet too, especially with his heightened senses.

    Mary was a good distance away from him when she shot him. Then again, he got to Dee and Dum pretty fast, but when you choose to attack one of them, they both keep shooting and hitting him, so I think if he tried to run up to Mary she could have just shot him.

    I'm basing what I'm saying off things that happened in the fight. He was fast enough to dodge a bullet but not fast enough to get to the tweedles before being shot again.

    MagnusLupus posted: »

    No, I'm not agreeing with your posts. Your posts were contradictory (I've already explained why)except for this one: "Though, like I already

  • The way I see it is like this, silver acts like kryptonite on Bigby. This basically makes these notions of super power moot. So, Bigby's arm was more like breaking a regular arm, which does not take that much strength to do (as you rightfully wrote).

    Jere85 posted: »

    You don't really have to be that strong to break someones arm at the certain angle, if we cant use our arms to crack something in half we us

  • edited April 2014

    He did not actually dodge the shotgun pellets, buckshot moves at 1450 fps (feet per second) it looked more like Bigby judged where Dee was shooting and moved out of the way. Sort of how Batman can't dodge bullets, but he can read the shooters mussel movement (Bigby is a Wolf after all). He would not be able to just move out of the range of the gun if there are multiple guns and many shots going off, as we saw when Bigby caught all of those shots (after Dee shot the first blast which hit the garbage-can). If Bigby can really dodge buckshot moving at 1450 fps, he should have no problem disarming a gaunt emo chick with a revolver.

    Well Bigby dodged a shotgun shell from a few feet away, I think he could have dodged the silver bullet too, especially with his heightened s

  • He noticed her loading the gun, it's just the fact he thought it was a regular bullet. I thought it was a regular bullet till she brought it up. Not to mention, A. Bigby isn't a werewolf, in all retrospect. I don't read the comics, but I believe his human for has something to do with a reverse-lycanthropy knife? And B. He probably didn't know he was weak to silver bullets, and Bigby doesn't seem like the type of guy to just shoot himself for funsies.

    srcritical posted: »

    Yes, but damn Bigby is stupid .. can't he see she's loading the silver bullet? Geez, I realised as soon as I saw her put a bullet in the gun

  • Seeing how Telltale designed this game, that would look awesome.

    I can imagine that being what her fight is like, leading bigby into a room full of mirrors or something, and popping in and out of them while attacking him

  • Yeah, he was shot in his right (I remember because he killed Dum (if you chose that) up against the Jazz Lounge wall. He fell on his left side, which means Mary would've stepped on his left arm.

    Actually, I think it was his left arm that she stepped on. Bigby's right arm was bandaged.

  • I never said I thought it made sense, just that he seemed to dodge the bullet yet couldn't get to them before they had time to shoot him. But you're probably right, he was probably like "Oh they're about to shoot me".

    MagnusLupus posted: »

    He did not actually dodge the shotgun pellets, buckshot moves at 1450 fps (feet per second) it looked more like Bigby judged where Dee was s

  • Yes, the way you put it does not make sense, it only makes sense if Bigby was reading mussel movement similar (as I pointed out) to contemporary Batman. It does not look like he actually dodged the pellets. as I said they move at an incredibly fast rate (he would have to be a character like the Flash or Superman to be able to dodge them). Even so my proposition stands, if Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary.

    I never said I thought it made sense, just that he seemed to dodge the bullet yet couldn't get to them before they had time to shoot him. But you're probably right, he was probably like "Oh they're about to shoot me".

  • No, Snipes has a point. The silver bullet drained him of energy, not of body integrity. Just because someone is tired doesn't mean their bones or muscle structure is more fragile. Bigby gained more muscle mass and bone density, and so unless the bullet sapped his bones and muscles of their very density, his arm could not have been broken. UNLESS, someone of highly above average strength decided to break it. Bigby's body structure has everything to do with it, it exemplifies just how strong Bloody Mary is.

    I just know draining someone's energy away doesn't change their body structure. Meh.

  • He couldn't have disarmed Mary before she got a chance to shoot. When you're in the fight with the Tweedles and you have the chance to run up to them, they keep shooting you and manage to hit you a couple more times before you start owning them, so based on that, there's no reason to believe he would be able to get to Mary any faster. There's evidence he's either able to dodge some shots or tell when someone's about to shoot him, but no evidence that he can get to someone before they shoot.

    MagnusLupus posted: »

    Yes, the way you put it does not make sense, it only makes sense if Bigby was reading mussel movement similar (as I pointed out) to contempo

  • I would absolutely love that.

    I can imagine that being what her fight is like, leading bigby into a room full of mirrors or something, and popping in and out of them while attacking him

  • edited April 2014

    I think Mary was able to break Bigby's arm easily because of the combination of the silver bullet and the symbols on her arms.
    Alt text
    The symbols glow when she steps on him so it leads me to believe she used some sort of spell. As for why they didn't kill Bigby the only thing I can think of is that they don't want/need the backlash for doing it. They aren't like the murderer of Faith and Lily, in this case people would know that the did it. Anyway, isn't Bigby supposed to be super powerful so even if they did kill him and he'd come back? ( I haven't read much of the comics so someone prove me wrong!) If Bigby came back he'd obviously go after them so why would they risk that by killing him?

  • Good point. When I made this thread I had forgotten Bigby can apparently come back to life, and stronger at that, so I am now satisfied with the idea of them leaving Bigby alive. :D

    Very nice find on the symbol. I saw it glow as well but didn't think anything of it.

  • When I first played through I looked past it but other people began pointing it out so I went back and found it.

    Good point. When I made this thread I had forgotten Bigby can apparently come back to life, and stronger at that, so I am now satisfied wit

  • It's a very good find regardless.

    KitsuneOne posted: »

    When I first played through I looked past it but other people began pointing it out so I went back and found it.

  • That would be a direct copy and paste from Naruto, so no.

    I can imagine that being what her fight is like, leading bigby into a room full of mirrors or something, and popping in and out of them while attacking him

  • There's a thread somewhere in the forum where someone pointed the tatoos on her arms. When she kicked Bigby, they were glowing red. Magic is involved.

    That_1_Guy posted: »

    Well-known is well-known. She is probably strong because of that. (I don't know if people who are well-known are stronger, but that's what I've heard somewhere around this forum.)

  • Or did naruto actually copy from the original tale of Bloody Mary and TWAU will use it properly again?

    guess we'll never know

    Finnisher posted: »

    That would be a direct copy and paste from Naruto, so no.

  • The Wolf Among Us really isn't that similar to Naruto, and I think having a fight with Bloody Mary involve lots of mirrors would be perfectly acceptable

    Finnisher posted: »

    That would be a direct copy and paste from Naruto, so no.

Sign in to comment in this discussion.