I meant the mirrors surrounding and attacking from all directions by teleporting, not the character of BM. Obviously the urban myth of Bloody Mary doesn't involve skills like that.
I remember when you ask the mirror to show you Woody, he's walking to the Pawn Shop that Jack works at and that CM owns. Maybe he pawned it off (while he was drunk)? Or he was going to get it back from someone who took it from him (Tweedles, BM, Jack, etc)
Speaking of the axe, how the fuck did she get it? Woody didn't mention it, so maybe they took it from him after he left the trip trap?
B… moreack on topic though, I hope in the future Bigby gets to fight Mary when he you know....hasn't been shot with 400 shotgun shells over the course of the day and hasn't been deprived of sleep for who knows how long. Maybe then like you said, he could still stand after getting shot with a silver bullet.
No, he does not have a point. What matters is the lack of supernatural strength in the body, which is sapped by the silver. Silver to Bigby is like kryptonite, it takes his power away meaning that breaking his arm becomes more like breaking a regular arm. It is not all that difficult to break a regular arm ( 'above average strength' is not needed), lots of mussel or no. I'm not saying that his body structure is changed, Bigby still has the structure of a werewolf I'm saying that that particular body, when struck by the silver is lacking in power & resistance.
No, Snipes has a point. The silver bullet drained him of energy, not of body integrity. Just because someone is tired doesn't mean their bon… morees or muscle structure is more fragile. Bigby gained more muscle mass and bone density, and so unless the bullet sapped his bones and muscles of their very density, his arm could not have been broken. UNLESS, someone of highly above average strength decided to break it. Bigby's body structure has everything to do with it, it exemplifies just how strong Bloody Mary is.
Bigby was quite far from the Tweedles, meaning the brothers got more shots off as Bigby closed the gap. I'm not so worried about Bigby disarming before the one silver bullet goes off, my general proposition is: "if Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary." There is no reason for a disjunctive notion, that Bigby can "either dodge" or *read mussel movement, that is not an either or* situation. The evidence is to the contrary of Bigby dodging, if he can dodge Buckshot at 1450 fps then he should have had the Tweedles and Mary either disarmed and or dead in seconds. I've already explained this, the mussel movement explanation is the logically valid option. Your notion that there is no evidence showing that Bigby can get to someone before they shoot, is cherry picking. Also what is to say that he can't? He was distracted by Snow. The situation (Mary being disarmed before she shoots) can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction.
He couldn't have disarmed Mary before she got a chance to shoot. When you're in the fight with the Tweedles and you have the chance to run … moreup to them, they keep shooting you and manage to hit you a couple more times before you start owning them, so based on that, there's no reason to believe he would be able to get to Mary any faster. There's evidence he's either able to dodge some shots or tell when someone's about to shoot him, but no evidence that he can get to someone before they shoot.
Granted he COULD possibly disarm her, since he was a bit closer to her than the tweedles, but he also might not have been able to. Mary was also much more focused than the Tweedles. You make a good point that he was closer to her though.
Is it honestly a big deal whether he dodged the bullet or avoided it? Really? It's a video game about fairy tail creatures, it doesn't have to be perfectly realistic. Aside from that, I do agree with you there, I suppose avoiding it makes more sense.
Bigby was quite far from the Tweedles, meaning the brothers got more shots off as Bigby closed the gap. I'm not so worried about Bigby disar… moreming before the one silver bullet goes off, my general proposition is: "if Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary." There is no reason for a disjunctive notion, that Bigby can "either dodge" or *read mussel movement, that is not an either or* situation. The evidence is to the contrary of Bigby dodging, if he can dodge Buckshot at 1450 fps then he should have had the Tweedles and Mary either disarmed and or dead in seconds. I've already explained this, the mussel movement explanation is the logically valid option. Your notion that there is no evidence showing that Bigby can get to someone before they shoot, is cherry picking. Also what is to say that he can't? He was distracted by Snow. The situation (Mary being disarmed before she shoots) can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction.
There is a lack of energy, not a lack of supernatural strength. If he lacked that, he would have turned human again. A good comparison is if you haven't eaten in a while and you've been jogging all day, the the point you can barely move. Your arm will be just as hard to break, you just won't be able to get up.
No, he does not have a point. What matters is the lack of supernatural strength in the body, which is sapped by the silver. Silver to Bigby … moreis like kryptonite, it takes his power away meaning that breaking his arm becomes more like breaking a regular arm. It is not all that difficult to break a regular arm ( 'above average strength' is not needed), lots of mussel or no. I'm not saying that his body structure is changed, Bigby still has the structure of a werewolf I'm saying that that particular body, when struck by the silver is lacking in power & resistance.
I remember when you ask the mirror to show you Woody, he's walking to the Pawn Shop that Jack works at and that CM owns. Maybe he pawned it … moreoff (while he was drunk)? Or he was going to get it back from someone who took it from him (Tweedles, BM, Jack, etc)
If this is set 20 years before the events of the comics, then that means Bigby and his father have not patched things up. I'm not 100% sure he would, blood or not.
It is not a big deal, it is simply illogical to say that he could dodge buckshot moving at 1450 fps and take so long to reach the Tweedles and Mary. The logical scenario (I repeat for the 3rd or 4th time) is the mussel movement option (which has happened with other comic charters, especially contemporary Batman), it is logically cogent. Focus is not an issue here, something that you cannot properly judge anyway.
Granted he COULD possibly disarm her, since he was a bit closer to her than the tweedles, but he also might not have been able to. Mary was… more also much more focused than the Tweedles. You make a good point that he was closer to her though.
Is it honestly a big deal whether he dodged the bullet or avoided it? Really? It's a video game about fairy tail creatures, it doesn't have to be perfectly realistic. Aside from that, I do agree with you there, I suppose avoiding it makes more sense.
Erm....she doesn't 'scare' people. She murders them. And regardless of him being weakened from the bullet, he still had his wolfman body s… moretructure, it certainly would have taken extreme strength to just break his arm so easily. Heck, it'd take a lot of strength to break a REGULAR person's arm like that. Though you're probably right that she can't take on Bigby in a fistfight, but I don't knooow.
There is nothing connecting Bigby turning into a human form, with him lacking supernatural strength. Bigby is a wolf, and a son of the North Wind. Why would he necessarily turn back into a human form? Supernatural, simply means beyond the natural, which is a fine enough category for his strength. In this case, Bigby is more like Superman when presented with kryptonite. Meaning that his power is sapped, Why? Because silver affects Bigby in a similar way as kryptonite affects Superman. I can remember times when Superman had a limb broken, or his face smashed in (DKR by Batman) after he was presented with kryptonite-kryptonite, an element that sapped his power. Your comparison is a bad one, as my arm is quite easy to break, as is yours, or any other persons for that matter.
There is a lack of energy, not a lack of supernatural strength. If he lacked that, he would have turned human again. A good comparison is … moreif you haven't eaten in a while and you've been jogging all day, the the point you can barely move. Your arm will be just as hard to break, you just won't be able to get up.
If it's not a big deal, can we move on? The main point is he might not have been able to win the fight regardless. It was stacked against him in the first place, the silver bullet was cheap.
It is not a big deal, it is simply illogical to say that he could dodge buckshot moving at 1450 fps and take so long to reach the Tweedles a… morend Mary. The logical scenario (I repeat for the 3rd or 4th time) is the mussel movement option (which has happened with other comic charters, especially contemporary Batman), it is logically cogent. Focus is not an issue here, something that you cannot properly judge anyway.
My mistake with the human form part. My point still stands, he is in half-wolf form still. It doesn't matter how STRONG you are, it matters how dense you are, that is what makes it harder to break his arm and that is what wasn't changed. The bullet clearly didn't deteriorate his physical body, so there's no reason he should have snapped like a twig. There's also evidence Mary's symbol on her arm boosted her strength so she could break his arm(it glows when she steps on him).
The bullet drains Bigby's strength, which makes him able to hit harder and lift his own body weight, that kind of thing. It does not deteriorate his body and therefore his arm is just as dense and difficult to break. It didn't eat away at his bones or weaken his flesh.
Your superman comparisons are getting annoying. Bigby is nothing like Superman. Superman's body actually gains density when he gains energy. He becomes harder to hurt. The sunlight literally becomes part of him and makes him stronger, faster, and more dense. The kryptonite drains his energy which gives his body that density. Also note Superman makes literally no sense, there was little effort put into making him remotely realistic, power wise. It is absolutely horrible to compare him to anyone.
Bigby is completely different from Superman. His transformations give him a different body structure, strength, speed, energy, all of that. Energy doesn't give him his transformation, his transformation gives him energy. Taking away the energy doesn't take away the transformation, he's still the same, just without the energy to lift his body. His body is still just as hard to break, only he can't fight back.
There is nothing connecting Bigby turning into a human form, with him lacking supernatural strength. Bigby is a wolf, and a son of the North… more Wind. Why would he necessarily turn back into a human form? Supernatural, simply means beyond the natural, which is a fine enough category for his strength. In this case, Bigby is more like Superman when presented with kryptonite. Meaning that his power is sapped, Why? Because silver affects Bigby in a similar way as kryptonite affects Superman. I can remember times when Superman had a limb broken, or his face smashed in (DKR by Batman) after he was presented with kryptonite-kryptonite, an element that sapped his power. Your comparison is a bad one, as my arm is quite easy to break, as is yours, or any other persons for that matter.
Bigby could dodge any bullet, it's even mentioned in the comics. Bigby ain't good at fighting anyone with a sword or a gun with a silver bullet. He reached Dee in one second after he was in his werewolf form unless you didn't notice that action was in slow motion. Bloody Mary was focused on Bigby, while Bigby wasn't focused on her is the breaker mostly. Bloody Mary was prepared to shoot Bigby, and every shot is a split second. From the distance Bigby was at, if he charged at Bloody Mary, she would know beforehand, therefore shooting Bigby with that one bullet would stop him.
It is not a big deal, it is simply illogical to say that he could dodge buckshot moving at 1450 fps and take so long to reach the Tweedles a… morend Mary. The logical scenario (I repeat for the 3rd or 4th time) is the mussel movement option (which has happened with other comic charters, especially contemporary Batman), it is logically cogent. Focus is not an issue here, something that you cannot properly judge anyway.
Where is this mentioned in the comics? Dodging buckshot means Bigby would have to move faster than the speed of sound (speed of sound at FPS is 1116). Buckshot moves anywhere from 1300, to 1450 fps. Also, the discussion was about how Bigby could have possibly disarmed Mary if Snow was not there as a distraction. Yes, if Bigby had of blindly charged Mary, that would not have been very smart in terms of CQB.
Bigby could dodge any bullet, it's even mentioned in the comics. Bigby ain't good at fighting anyone with a sword or a gun with a silver bul… morelet. He reached Dee in one second after he was in his werewolf form unless you didn't notice that action was in slow motion. Bloody Mary was focused on Bigby, while Bigby wasn't focused on her is the breaker mostly. Bloody Mary was prepared to shoot Bigby, and every shot is a split second. From the distance Bigby was at, if he charged at Bloody Mary, she would know beforehand, therefore shooting Bigby with that one bullet would stop him.
Bigby could dodge any bullet, it's even mentioned in the comics. Bigby ain't good at fighting anyone with a sword or a gun with a silver bul… morelet. He reached Dee in one second after he was in his werewolf form unless you didn't notice that action was in slow motion. Bloody Mary was focused on Bigby, while Bigby wasn't focused on her is the breaker mostly. Bloody Mary was prepared to shoot Bigby, and every shot is a split second. From the distance Bigby was at, if he charged at Bloody Mary, she would know beforehand, therefore shooting Bigby with that one bullet would stop him.
Are you serious or are you trolling? Buckshot is a hunting round, that moves at an incredibly fast rate. Show some evidence from the comics of Bigby dodging such rounds, you said that there is. All I have ever seen is Bigby get shot. If he can move faster than 1450fps, then he could have taken all three assailants out. It would not have taken that many steps for him to get to the Tweedles, and the Brothers would not have gotten so many shots off while he ran for them. That's part of the reason why I said, reading mussel movement is the more logical explanation.
I agree, I haven't killed anyone in the game yet, I mean Bigby's job is to "protect" the fables. Yeah they may try to kill him, but bah he can handle it :P
I agree, I haven't killed anyone in the game yet, I mean Bigby's job is to "protect" the fables. Yeah they may try to kill him, but bah he can handle it :P
Are you serious or are you trolling? Buckshot is a hunting round, that moves at an incredibly fast rate. Show some evidence from the comics … moreof Bigby dodging such rounds, you said that there is. All I have ever seen is Bigby get shot. If he can move faster than 1450fps, then he could have taken all three assailants out. It would not have taken that many steps for him to get to the Tweedles, and the Brothers would not have gotten so many shots off while he ran for them. That's part of the reason why I said, reading mussel movement is the more logical explanation.
Bigby adjusts his speed to the situation and form. Even if Bigby read the mussel movement as you said, how come he's one foot away from the shot? Also I'm surprised you're still saying it took Bigby a long time to reach Dum when he got to him one second, maybe two after changing form depending on your actions. Either way Bigby wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary, one she was too focused on him, two she had a silver bullet. Reading mussel movement would definitely not help and neither would attempting to dodge while charging, because Bloody Mary was reading Bigby's movements the entire time.
Are you serious or are you trolling? Buckshot is a hunting round, that moves at an incredibly fast rate. Show some evidence from the comics … moreof Bigby dodging such rounds, you said that there is. All I have ever seen is Bigby get shot. If he can move faster than 1450fps, then he could have taken all three assailants out. It would not have taken that many steps for him to get to the Tweedles, and the Brothers would not have gotten so many shots off while he ran for them. That's part of the reason why I said, reading mussel movement is the more logical explanation.
Bigby adjusts his speed to the situation and form. Even if Bigby read the mussel movement as you said, how come he's one foot away from the … moreshot? Also I'm surprised you're still saying it took Bigby a long time to reach Dum when he got to him one second, maybe two after changing form depending on your actions. Either way Bigby wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary, one she was too focused on him, two she had a silver bullet. Reading mussel movement would definitely not help and neither would attempting to dodge while charging, because Bloody Mary was reading Bigby's movements the entire time.
She didn't expect the Tweedles to finish off Bigby, since she loaded the silver bullet before saying f*** it and going back towards the cars, and watched the fight from the moment Bigby was changing form.
She didn't expect the Tweedles to finish off Bigby, since she loaded the silver bullet before saying f*** it and going back towards the cars, and watched the fight from the moment Bigby was changing form.
The Tweddles got off multiple shots in that time,it takes far more than one second to fire at least two rounds (they fired more). If Bigby was moving between Mach 1 and 2 (faster than 1450fps to dodge buckshot), he would have taken all three assailants out, we would have seen no more than a fury blur. You seem to have no concept of how fast the speed of sound is.
I'm still waiting for your evidence from the comic books. Also, you must be Trolling, "Even if Bigby read the mussel movement as you said, how come he's one foot away from the shot." What do you think reading mussel movement entails? He perceives the position of the gun, and moves out of that position before the shot... It is more difficult to do with multiple Guns, and with multiple shots going off. Not to mention Bigby is seemingly not fast enough to break the sound barrier and actually dodge the pellets... If Bigby can "adjust his speed" why not go to Mach 5 and just dodge all of the fucking bulletts, and take out all of the assailants, instead of getting shot so many times?
Bigby adjusts his speed to the situation and form. Even if Bigby read the mussel movement as you said, how come he's one foot away from the … moreshot? Also I'm surprised you're still saying it took Bigby a long time to reach Dum when he got to him one second, maybe two after changing form depending on your actions. Either way Bigby wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary, one she was too focused on him, two she had a silver bullet. Reading mussel movement would definitely not help and neither would attempting to dodge while charging, because Bloody Mary was reading Bigby's movements the entire time.
Well if this bothers you so much here is an experiment for you to try. Go spend months and months getting your self all 'dense', then fly yourself to Israel and find the skinniest IDF lady there. Ask her to break your arms, then observer how easily it happens. Even better, as a control keep one of your arms not so 'dense'. I'm done speaking with you on this this subject.
My mistake with the human form part. My point still stands, he is in half-wolf form still. It doesn't matter how STRONG you are, it matter… mores how dense you are, that is what makes it harder to break his arm and that is what wasn't changed. The bullet clearly didn't deteriorate his physical body, so there's no reason he should have snapped like a twig. There's also evidence Mary's symbol on her arm boosted her strength so she could break his arm(it glows when she steps on him).
The bullet drains Bigby's strength, which makes him able to hit harder and lift his own body weight, that kind of thing. It does not deteriorate his body and therefore his arm is just as dense and difficult to break. It didn't eat away at his bones or weaken his flesh.
Your superman comparisons are getting annoying. Bigby is nothing like Superman. Superman's body actually gains density when he gains energy. He becomes harder to hurt. The sunlight literally… [view original content]
The Tweedles shot multiple times before Bigby was in his wolf-man form, but I'm talking about after. Bigby is fastest in full wolf form, sorry if I got a little carried away. He moved at the moment the shot was fired if you look more closely. If he was just moving out of the way he would be hit by at least a few shards, which he wasn't.
The Tweddles got off multiple shots in that time,it takes far more than one second to fire at least two rounds (they fired more). If Bigby w… moreas moving between Mach 1 and 2 (faster than 1450fps to dodge buckshot), he would have taken all three assailants out, we would have seen no more than a fury blur. You seem to have no concept of how fast the speed of sound is.
I'm still waiting for your evidence from the comic books. Also, you must be Trolling, "Even if Bigby read the mussel movement as you said, how come he's one foot away from the shot." What do you think reading mussel movement entails? He perceives the position of the gun, and moves out of that position before the shot... It is more difficult to do with multiple Guns, and with multiple shots going off. Not to mention Bigby is seemingly not fast enough to break the sound barrier and actually dodge the pellets... If Bigby can "adjust his speed" why not go to Mach 5 and just dodge all … [view original content]
No, they shot multiple time after as well, one even hit him.They shot as Bigby was running towards them in that werewolf form. If he was moving faster than the buckshot, he would have been moving between Mach 1 and 2. Bigby would have been a blur and he would have had no trouble with taking out all three people in just a second of time. That is not what happened, you know this so stop with the confirmation bias. I'm still waiting for your comic book evidence of Bigby dodging said rounds, also I'm waiting for you to show a sign of understanding how fast the speed of sound is.
The Tweedles shot multiple times before Bigby was in his wolf-man form, but I'm talking about after. Bigby is fastest in full wolf form, sor… morery if I got a little carried away. He moved at the moment the shot was fired if you look more closely. If he was just moving out of the way he would be hit by at least a few shards, which he wasn't.
Dee only shot Bigby in the back when you have Dum at the wall for the first time, Dum only fired once, and was immediately being smashed, and that part was in slow motion which you obviously didn't notice. I already said that I could have exaggerated based on form. Also dodging is based on reflex speed, not running speed. I will stop when you agree that Bigby wouldn't disarm Bloody Mary.
No, they shot multiple time after as well, one even hit him.They shot as Bigby was running towards them in that werewolf form. If he was mov… moreing faster than the buckshot, he would have been moving between Mach 1 and 2. Bigby would have been a blur and he would have had no trouble with taking out all three people in just a second of time. That is not what happened, you know this so stop with the confirmation bias. I'm still waiting for your comic book evidence of Bigby dodging said rounds, also I'm waiting for you to show a sign of understanding how fast the speed of sound is.
It's referring to the Naruto/Sasuke vs Haku fight. I can see Bigby using Huff n Puff to destroy the mirrors and KOing BM with one punch, akin to what Naruto does to Haku once he snaps.
The Wolf Among Us really isn't that similar to Naruto, and I think having a fight with Bloody Mary involve lots of mirrors would be perfectly acceptable
"No, they shot multiple time after as well, one even hit him.They shot as Bigby was running towards them in that werewolf form. If he was moving faster than the buckshot, he would have been moving between Mach 1 and 2. Bigby would have been a blur and he would have had no trouble with taking out all three people in just a second of time. That is not what happened, you know this so stop with the confirmation bias. I'm still waiting for your comic book evidence of Bigby dodging said rounds, also I'm waiting for you to show a sign of understanding how fast the speed of sound is."
Dee only shot Bigby in the back when you have Dum at the wall for the first time, Dum only fired once, and was immediately being smashed, an… mored that part was in slow motion which you obviously didn't notice. I already said that I could have exaggerated based on form. Also dodging is based on reflex speed, not running speed. I will stop when you agree that Bigby wouldn't disarm Bloody Mary.
I'll make this simple. Could Bigby disarm Bloody Mary? If the answer is yes, than why are you disagreeing with the comments I posted. If the answer is no, than tell me why you thought he could have earlier, I'll also admit something.
"No, they shot multiple time after as well, one even hit him.They shot as Bigby was running towards them in that werewolf form. If he was mo… moreving faster than the buckshot, he would have been moving between Mach 1 and 2. Bigby would have been a blur and he would have had no trouble with taking out all three people in just a second of time. That is not what happened, you know this so stop with the confirmation bias. I'm still waiting for your comic book evidence of Bigby dodging said rounds, also I'm waiting for you to show a sign of understanding how fast the speed of sound is."
You really have not been paying attention to this discussion; I try to argue objectively. I do not think that Bigby can actually dodge buckshot pellets moving at supersonic speeds. There is no evidence showing this, you said there is in the comics and have yet to show such evidence. I have written my general proposition many times, "if Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary." This situation, can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction for Bigby.
I'll make this simple. Could Bigby disarm Bloody Mary? If the answer is yes, than why are you disagreeing with the comments I posted. If the answer is no, than tell me why you thought he could have earlier, I'll also admit something.
No he wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary based on what you said after that. The only way he could have disarmed Bloody Mary is the one I said. Realistically I wanted you to notice that Bigby wouldn't disarm Bloody Mary if using logic, because the only logical way to disarm Bloody Mary for Bigby would be to charge at her, and the only way he would disarm her is if Snow distracted Bloody Mary (Bloody Mary would stop focusing on Bigby). You could have made me say I was joking about Bigby being faster in running speed than a shotgun's buckshot. Bigby also wouldn't fit in the alleyway in full wolf form and would get to all three in one second.
You really have not been paying attention to this discussion; I try to argue objectively. I do not think that Bigby can actually dodge bucks… morehot pellets moving at supersonic speeds. There is no evidence showing this, you said there is in the comics and have yet to show such evidence. I have written my general proposition many times, "if Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary." This situation, can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction for Bigby.
"If Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary. This situation, can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction for Bigby." You should read through this entire discussion. Then you should learn what a straw man fallacy is, so you won't do it again. My proposition is quite clear, it is a contingent situation, it can be true or false.
No he wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary based on what you said after that. The only way he could have disarmed Bloody Mary is the one I… more said. Realistically I wanted you to notice that Bigby wouldn't disarm Bloody Mary if using logic, because the only logical way to disarm Bloody Mary for Bigby would be to charge at her, and the only way he would disarm her is if Snow distracted Bloody Mary (Bloody Mary would stop focusing on Bigby). You could have made me say I was joking about Bigby being faster in running speed than a shotgun's buckshot. Bigby also wouldn't fit in the alleyway in full wolf form and would get to all three in one second.
Moreover, I'm done speaking with you on this subject. This conversation has gone on long enough. I might add, it went on without you giving that comic book evidence, or understanding the concept of "speed of sound."
No he wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary based on what you said after that. The only way he could have disarmed Bloody Mary is the one I… more said. Realistically I wanted you to notice that Bigby wouldn't disarm Bloody Mary if using logic, because the only logical way to disarm Bloody Mary for Bigby would be to charge at her, and the only way he would disarm her is if Snow distracted Bloody Mary (Bloody Mary would stop focusing on Bigby). You could have made me say I was joking about Bigby being faster in running speed than a shotgun's buckshot. Bigby also wouldn't fit in the alleyway in full wolf form and would get to all three in one second.
I read the entire discussion. I was joking about Bigby in wolf-man form being faster than a shotgun's buckshot. I'm not joking about Bigby in wolf form being too big for the alleyway. I hope we'll see Bigby fight Bloody Mary and blowing her revolver away, or a silver bullet.
"If Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary. This situation, can be true or false depending on if it plays out … moreunder the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction for Bigby." You should read through this entire discussion. Then you should learn what a straw man fallacy is, so you won't do it again. My proposition is quite clear, it is a contingent situation, it can be true or false.
Moreover, I'm done speaking with you on this subject. This conversation has gone on long enough. I might add, it went on without you giving that comic book evidence, or understanding the concept of "speed of sound."
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I meant the mirrors surrounding and attacking from all directions by teleporting, not the character of BM. Obviously the urban myth of Bloody Mary doesn't involve skills like that.
I remember when you ask the mirror to show you Woody, he's walking to the Pawn Shop that Jack works at and that CM owns. Maybe he pawned it off (while he was drunk)? Or he was going to get it back from someone who took it from him (Tweedles, BM, Jack, etc)
No, he does not have a point. What matters is the lack of supernatural strength in the body, which is sapped by the silver. Silver to Bigby is like kryptonite, it takes his power away meaning that breaking his arm becomes more like breaking a regular arm. It is not all that difficult to break a regular arm ( 'above average strength' is not needed), lots of mussel or no. I'm not saying that his body structure is changed, Bigby still has the structure of a werewolf I'm saying that that particular body, when struck by the silver is lacking in power & resistance.
Bigby was quite far from the Tweedles, meaning the brothers got more shots off as Bigby closed the gap. I'm not so worried about Bigby disarming before the one silver bullet goes off, my general proposition is: "if Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary." There is no reason for a disjunctive notion, that Bigby can "either dodge" or *read mussel movement, that is not an either or* situation. The evidence is to the contrary of Bigby dodging, if he can dodge Buckshot at 1450 fps then he should have had the Tweedles and Mary either disarmed and or dead in seconds. I've already explained this, the mussel movement explanation is the logically valid option. Your notion that there is no evidence showing that Bigby can get to someone before they shoot, is cherry picking. Also what is to say that he can't? He was distracted by Snow. The situation (Mary being disarmed before she shoots) can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction.
Granted he COULD possibly disarm her, since he was a bit closer to her than the tweedles, but he also might not have been able to. Mary was also much more focused than the Tweedles. You make a good point that he was closer to her though.
Is it honestly a big deal whether he dodged the bullet or avoided it? Really? It's a video game about fairy tail creatures, it doesn't have to be perfectly realistic. Aside from that, I do agree with you there, I suppose avoiding it makes more sense.
There is a lack of energy, not a lack of supernatural strength. If he lacked that, he would have turned human again. A good comparison is if you haven't eaten in a while and you've been jogging all day, the the point you can barely move. Your arm will be just as hard to break, you just won't be able to get up.
Good point, I guess I didn't notice the pawn shop.
If this is set 20 years before the events of the comics, then that means Bigby and his father have not patched things up. I'm not 100% sure he would, blood or not.
It is not a big deal, it is simply illogical to say that he could dodge buckshot moving at 1450 fps and take so long to reach the Tweedles and Mary. The logical scenario (I repeat for the 3rd or 4th time) is the mussel movement option (which has happened with other comic charters, especially contemporary Batman), it is logically cogent. Focus is not an issue here, something that you cannot properly judge anyway.
Well it IS a video game. I don't really expect that telltale would have overthought that, that much.
There is nothing connecting Bigby turning into a human form, with him lacking supernatural strength. Bigby is a wolf, and a son of the North Wind. Why would he necessarily turn back into a human form? Supernatural, simply means beyond the natural, which is a fine enough category for his strength. In this case, Bigby is more like Superman when presented with kryptonite. Meaning that his power is sapped, Why? Because silver affects Bigby in a similar way as kryptonite affects Superman. I can remember times when Superman had a limb broken, or his face smashed in (DKR by Batman) after he was presented with kryptonite-kryptonite, an element that sapped his power. Your comparison is a bad one, as my arm is quite easy to break, as is yours, or any other persons for that matter.
If it's not a big deal, can we move on? The main point is he might not have been able to win the fight regardless. It was stacked against him in the first place, the silver bullet was cheap.
My mistake with the human form part. My point still stands, he is in half-wolf form still. It doesn't matter how STRONG you are, it matters how dense you are, that is what makes it harder to break his arm and that is what wasn't changed. The bullet clearly didn't deteriorate his physical body, so there's no reason he should have snapped like a twig. There's also evidence Mary's symbol on her arm boosted her strength so she could break his arm(it glows when she steps on him).
The bullet drains Bigby's strength, which makes him able to hit harder and lift his own body weight, that kind of thing. It does not deteriorate his body and therefore his arm is just as dense and difficult to break. It didn't eat away at his bones or weaken his flesh.
Your superman comparisons are getting annoying. Bigby is nothing like Superman. Superman's body actually gains density when he gains energy. He becomes harder to hurt. The sunlight literally becomes part of him and makes him stronger, faster, and more dense. The kryptonite drains his energy which gives his body that density. Also note Superman makes literally no sense, there was little effort put into making him remotely realistic, power wise. It is absolutely horrible to compare him to anyone.
Bigby is completely different from Superman. His transformations give him a different body structure, strength, speed, energy, all of that. Energy doesn't give him his transformation, his transformation gives him energy. Taking away the energy doesn't take away the transformation, he's still the same, just without the energy to lift his body. His body is still just as hard to break, only he can't fight back.
Bigby could dodge any bullet, it's even mentioned in the comics. Bigby ain't good at fighting anyone with a sword or a gun with a silver bullet. He reached Dee in one second after he was in his werewolf form unless you didn't notice that action was in slow motion. Bloody Mary was focused on Bigby, while Bigby wasn't focused on her is the breaker mostly. Bloody Mary was prepared to shoot Bigby, and every shot is a split second. From the distance Bigby was at, if he charged at Bloody Mary, she would know beforehand, therefore shooting Bigby with that one bullet would stop him.
Where is this mentioned in the comics? Dodging buckshot means Bigby would have to move faster than the speed of sound (speed of sound at FPS is 1116). Buckshot moves anywhere from 1300, to 1450 fps. Also, the discussion was about how Bigby could have possibly disarmed Mary if Snow was not there as a distraction. Yes, if Bigby had of blindly charged Mary, that would not have been very smart in terms of CQB.
Also, he did not do a very good job of dodging Goldilocks' silver bullet, and Bigby was in full wolf form then.
It was hunting bullets, and the best ones. Bigby is weak at close range combat against metal weapons. Everything is about distance for Bigby.
Are you serious or are you trolling? Buckshot is a hunting round, that moves at an incredibly fast rate. Show some evidence from the comics of Bigby dodging such rounds, you said that there is. All I have ever seen is Bigby get shot. If he can move faster than 1450fps, then he could have taken all three assailants out. It would not have taken that many steps for him to get to the Tweedles, and the Brothers would not have gotten so many shots off while he ran for them. That's part of the reason why I said, reading mussel movement is the more logical explanation.
I agree, I haven't killed anyone in the game yet, I mean Bigby's job is to "protect" the fables. Yeah they may try to kill him, but bah he can handle it :P
Ow, I guess people don't appreciate my opinion on keeping Bloody Mary alive. 3 downvotes, my feels are hurt. xD
Mostly I just feel someone has to really just deserve death to be killed when it can easily be avoided.
Haha, some people never learn.
Bigby adjusts his speed to the situation and form. Even if Bigby read the mussel movement as you said, how come he's one foot away from the shot? Also I'm surprised you're still saying it took Bigby a long time to reach Dum when he got to him one second, maybe two after changing form depending on your actions. Either way Bigby wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary, one she was too focused on him, two she had a silver bullet. Reading mussel movement would definitely not help and neither would attempting to dodge while charging, because Bloody Mary was reading Bigby's movements the entire time.
Actually if you watch the scene closely you can see BM looking off in the distance, expecting Dee and Dum to finish Bigby off.
She didn't expect the Tweedles to finish off Bigby, since she loaded the silver bullet before saying f*** it and going back towards the cars, and watched the fight from the moment Bigby was changing form.
You're right, just watched the scene again
The Tweddles got off multiple shots in that time,it takes far more than one second to fire at least two rounds (they fired more). If Bigby was moving between Mach 1 and 2 (faster than 1450fps to dodge buckshot), he would have taken all three assailants out, we would have seen no more than a fury blur. You seem to have no concept of how fast the speed of sound is.
I'm still waiting for your evidence from the comic books. Also, you must be Trolling, "Even if Bigby read the mussel movement as you said, how come he's one foot away from the shot." What do you think reading mussel movement entails? He perceives the position of the gun, and moves out of that position before the shot... It is more difficult to do with multiple Guns, and with multiple shots going off. Not to mention Bigby is seemingly not fast enough to break the sound barrier and actually dodge the pellets... If Bigby can "adjust his speed" why not go to Mach 5 and just dodge all of the fucking bulletts, and take out all of the assailants, instead of getting shot so many times?
No kidding. lol
Well if this bothers you so much here is an experiment for you to try. Go spend months and months getting your self all 'dense', then fly yourself to Israel and find the skinniest IDF lady there. Ask her to break your arms, then observer how easily it happens. Even better, as a control keep one of your arms not so 'dense'. I'm done speaking with you on this this subject.
The Tweedles shot multiple times before Bigby was in his wolf-man form, but I'm talking about after. Bigby is fastest in full wolf form, sorry if I got a little carried away. He moved at the moment the shot was fired if you look more closely. If he was just moving out of the way he would be hit by at least a few shards, which he wasn't.
No, they shot multiple time after as well, one even hit him.They shot as Bigby was running towards them in that werewolf form. If he was moving faster than the buckshot, he would have been moving between Mach 1 and 2. Bigby would have been a blur and he would have had no trouble with taking out all three people in just a second of time. That is not what happened, you know this so stop with the confirmation bias. I'm still waiting for your comic book evidence of Bigby dodging said rounds, also I'm waiting for you to show a sign of understanding how fast the speed of sound is.
Dee only shot Bigby in the back when you have Dum at the wall for the first time, Dum only fired once, and was immediately being smashed, and that part was in slow motion which you obviously didn't notice. I already said that I could have exaggerated based on form. Also dodging is based on reflex speed, not running speed. I will stop when you agree that Bigby wouldn't disarm Bloody Mary.
It's referring to the Naruto/Sasuke vs Haku fight. I can see Bigby using Huff n Puff to destroy the mirrors and KOing BM with one punch, akin to what Naruto does to Haku once he snaps.
"No, they shot multiple time after as well, one even hit him.They shot as Bigby was running towards them in that werewolf form. If he was moving faster than the buckshot, he would have been moving between Mach 1 and 2. Bigby would have been a blur and he would have had no trouble with taking out all three people in just a second of time. That is not what happened, you know this so stop with the confirmation bias. I'm still waiting for your comic book evidence of Bigby dodging said rounds, also I'm waiting for you to show a sign of understanding how fast the speed of sound is."
I'll make this simple. Could Bigby disarm Bloody Mary? If the answer is yes, than why are you disagreeing with the comments I posted. If the answer is no, than tell me why you thought he could have earlier, I'll also admit something.
You really have not been paying attention to this discussion; I try to argue objectively. I do not think that Bigby can actually dodge buckshot pellets moving at supersonic speeds. There is no evidence showing this, you said there is in the comics and have yet to show such evidence. I have written my general proposition many times, "if Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary." This situation, can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction for Bigby.
No he wouldn't be able to disarm Bloody Mary based on what you said after that. The only way he could have disarmed Bloody Mary is the one I said. Realistically I wanted you to notice that Bigby wouldn't disarm Bloody Mary if using logic, because the only logical way to disarm Bloody Mary for Bigby would be to charge at her, and the only way he would disarm her is if Snow distracted Bloody Mary (Bloody Mary would stop focusing on Bigby). You could have made me say I was joking about Bigby being faster in running speed than a shotgun's buckshot. Bigby also wouldn't fit in the alleyway in full wolf form and would get to all three in one second.
"If Snow had not been a distraction to Bigby he could have disarmed Mary. This situation, can be true or false depending on if it plays out under the same conditions without Snow White as a distraction for Bigby." You should read through this entire discussion. Then you should learn what a straw man fallacy is, so you won't do it again. My proposition is quite clear, it is a contingent situation, it can be true or false.
Moreover, I'm done speaking with you on this subject. This conversation has gone on long enough. I might add, it went on without you giving that comic book evidence, or understanding the concept of "speed of sound."
I read the entire discussion. I was joking about Bigby in wolf-man form being faster than a shotgun's buckshot. I'm not joking about Bigby in wolf form being too big for the alleyway. I hope we'll see Bigby fight Bloody Mary and blowing her revolver away, or a silver bullet.
I'm also done with this subject. I might end up saying a bit more later on. You know about what.