Even though I'm a big Luke fan and I personally still prefer him over Kenny, I have to agree. He was overshadowed by Kenny this episode. I hope Luke get's to shine more in episode 4, but since he has probably went missing AGAIN I'm kinda starting to lose hope for that.
I'm the biggest Luke fan I know, and I agree with you. They could have used him WAY more, I thought LUKE saved Clem from the walker, not Troy! The new guy who wrote this in my opinion didn't understand Luke's character very well!
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Actually I didn't bother with the fact that Luke has been overshadowed by Kenny. we had … moreenough time and interactions with Luke in episode 2. Luke is more rational than Kenny, who is extremely emotional, but that does not make him a "weaker" character. he just deals with things differently in my opinion.
but yeah..the fact that he disappeared for the second time is something strange and suspicious...
Like the most we got that shows he cares for her was when she breaks into the storeroom and they're all caught and Luke gives us that OH SHIT NO look, but nothing else! For that, I feel like Telltale should keep him for season three just to develop him more!
I know, right? I mean Telltale could have at least had Luke get caught saving Clementine because he cares for her, but instead they made Luke get caught stealing food.
Even though I'm a big Luke fan and I personally still prefer him over Kenny, I have to agree. He was overshadowed by Kenny this episode. I h… moreope Luke get's to shine more in episode 4, but since he has probably went missing AGAIN I'm kinda starting to lose hope for that.
I think it was just a fight over what to do about Carver. Kenny tried to snipe and Luke told him not to, so Kenny got pissed at him and told Luke to take a hike. And he did, followed them up :P
No, they are making him human. As in he makes mistakes and has flaws like everybody else. He was too perfect in the first 2 episodes.
O… morene thing I noticed, they never explained what the hell happened between Kenny and Luke in the end of episode 2...
It just seems like an absolutely insane time to "take a hike"
Like, it's only all of your friends being threatened by your psychotic ex-leader and his henchmen. Sure, go take a breather. Nah, it just seems fishy. Like Telltale originally wanted there to be something there, but changed it for some reason.
I think it was just a fight over what to do about Carver. Kenny tried to snipe and Luke told him not to, so Kenny got pissed at him and told Luke to take a hike. And he did, followed them up :P
Considering Luke had probably gone days without food, water, or sleep, I can't say I'm surprised that he tried to steal food. None of these characters are perfect as we've seen regularly. Luke, like anyone else, will have his ups and downs. Luke was generally up in the first two episodes, now he's kind of down in this one. Not a huge deal.
I think not only Luke is like this.
The problem is all characters from S2 don't have a chance to tell who they are, what they are thinking.
They just die before I have a reason to like them.
I find I enjoy a story more when I don't assume I know where it's headed. The problem here seems to be your assumption on what Telltale's intent is. There's been all this talk about the 'inevitable' definitive choice between Kenny and Luke that it seems some have stopped considering that maybe it won't come up. That is a possibility and it's not a guarantee the story would be better for it being included anyway.
I would love to see more focus on Luke in the upcoming episodes but they've done well making him plenty interesting with what screen time he's currently been given, IMO. I don't think it's an accident the way he's been presented. They're deliberately playing with our perceptions of him. I wouldn't be surprised if they save the chunk of his back story for the final episode. In the meantime, try to keep an open mind about what Telltale may have in store for him.
I think that's kind of the point? Luke isn't supposed to be a "badass" like Kenny, and that's why they butt heads. Luke's approach to survival is more quiet and sneaky, and he doesn't believe in violence for violence's sake. He didn't shoot Carver because it wasn't necessary. Notice that he's the one who's most vocally opposed to Kenny smashing Carver's head in.
However, while he's opposed to violence, he's also pragmatic, which sort of makes him... indirectly violent. While planning their escape, he mentions leaving people behind. Also, him stealing food ended up getting Kenny maimed, but he hadn't eaten in days and knew it could be a while before they found more food, so he decided it was a necessary risk to take to ensure his own survival.
Basically, Luke and Kenny are opposites, and they're probably supposed to mirror Clem's (and the player's) internal struggle about how best to survive.
How exactly was Kenny too much of a hero? By being protective of those he cares about? Because that crowbar scene at the end was not portrayed as heroic. The plan he came up with wasn't too great either as it would've been dead in the water if not for Clem and Jane. He was basically doing what he's always done with the main plus being he's not a jerk to Clem for disagreeing with him the way he used to be with Lee (at least that I saw).
Hurrah. I've noticed a few people are upset with TTG for "ruining" Luke's character in Episode 3, but in my personal opinion they improved o… moren him. Wouldn't be realistic if the guy didn't have his fair share of flaws. I don't want Luke to necessarily be the perfect hero or turn into a Gary Stu capable of doing anything, and Episode 3 established that yes, he does have his flaws, such as being overly pacifistic to the point of being unwilling to shoot Carver who would clearly continue to cause trouble for the group, and suggesting to leave people behind in their escape.
I also agree with you on Kenny. I don't like how they're reworking his character this season—he's too much of a hero. It's too easy to side with him, whereas in Season 1 he was always making controversial decisions that the player either completely agreed or disagreed with. You either hated him or you loved him. That dynamic is no longer present in Season 2, at least for m… [view original content]
I think the reason we lost this ghost plot is due to the change of writer. Yes, he did Faith for TWAU, and it was BRILLIANT, but that's no promise he can do the same to TWD.
It just seems like an absolutely insane time to "take a hike"
Like, it's only all of your friends being threatened by your psychotic ex… more-leader and his henchmen. Sure, go take a breather. Nah, it just seems fishy. Like Telltale originally wanted there to be something there, but changed it for some reason.
I find I enjoy a story more when I don't assume I know where it's headed. The problem here seems to be your assumption on what Telltale's in… moretent is. There's been all this talk about the 'inevitable' definitive choice between Kenny and Luke that it seems some have stopped considering that maybe it won't come up. That is a possibility and it's not a guarantee the story would be better for it being included anyway.
I would love to see more focus on Luke in the upcoming episodes but they've done well making him plenty interesting with what screen time he's currently been given, IMO. I don't think it's an accident the way he's been presented. They're deliberately playing with our perceptions of him. I wouldn't be surprised if they save the chunk of his back story for the final episode. In the meantime, try to keep an open mind about what Telltale may have in store for him.
I think Luke will come on strong over the course of the next two episodes. I think ep. 4 we will see him begin to step up and by ep. 5 he will be the man. I think they are doing it intentionally. Kenny will die trying to save Luke, which will cause him to step up (not even sure why I think this).
I love Kenny way more than Luke, but this is just ridiculous how Telltale had seemed to just stop trying with Luke and had Kenny take over. I feel like in Episode 4 Luke is going to be the Nick of Episode 3 if you know what I mean.
Evaluate the characters on their own and in the context of the story. If you only judge them via comparisons to each other then it's just a matter of time before you find reason to consider one character lacking over the other. Just my opinion.
I think that Kenny might be violence as Carver was.
Kenny lost his son and Wife and what I think is that he hasn't take out his anger, instead he did it on Carver, showing that how much Anger he have been holding for himself.
And then Luke might are going to kill Kenny because he shot one of the group. But idunno it sounds wrong O.o.
How is Nick the Ben of Season 2? He killed one person by mistake, and now everybody is ganging up on him and calling him a liability. He hasn't done anything else wrong other than the Matthew incident.
How exactly was Kenny too much of a hero? By being protective of those he cares about? Because that crowbar scene at the end was not portray… moreed as heroic. The plan he came up with wasn't too great either as it would've been dead in the water if not for Clem and Jane. He was basically doing what he's always done with the main plus being he's not a jerk to Clem for disagreeing with him the way he used to be with Lee (at least that I saw).
Basically how skooth put it: he's outshining all of the other characters.
He's like a self-insert character in a fanfiction; too badass, and none of his flaws really seem to be flaws since there are no actual consequences for them. I wouldn't count the beatdown as a consequence, since the reason it happened was out of his own desire to protect his family which now includes Clem. That's no flaw and is something that makes him seem heroic, which is what I'm talking about here.
How exactly was Kenny too much of a hero? By being protective of those he cares about? Because that crowbar scene at the end was not portray… moreed as heroic. The plan he came up with wasn't too great either as it would've been dead in the water if not for Clem and Jane. He was basically doing what he's always done with the main plus being he's not a jerk to Clem for disagreeing with him the way he used to be with Lee (at least that I saw).
Luke attempted to rescue the group and failed because he stole food which resulted in Kenny's beatdown and crushes the group's hope of escaping. Luke messed up and had consequences. Even leaving Carver alive would've been a huge mistake, but of course Kenny took care of it and Kenny's plan worked out while Luke's plan backfired and failed miserably.
Basically how skooth put it: he's outshining all of the other characters.
He's like a self-insert character in a fanfiction; too badass, … moreand none of his flaws really seem to be flaws since there are no actual consequences for them. I wouldn't count the beatdown as a consequence, since the reason it happened was out of his own desire to protect his family which now includes Clem. That's no flaw and is something that makes him seem heroic, which is what I'm talking about here.
That still doesn't answer the hero question. Everything with Kenny was to build up to that final scene with Carver which was definitely not your typical hero moment. And Luke "screwing up" because of exhaustion and hunger does not automatically elevate that act in my mind.
The crowbar moment wasn't necessarily heroic, but it was badass, and a lot of people wanted to see Carver get his just deserts. So I don't really think that counts, but hey, it's subjective.
That still doesn't answer the hero question. Everything with Kenny was to build up to that final scene with Carver which was definitely not … moreyour typical hero moment. And Luke "screwing up" because of exhaustion and hunger does not automatically elevate that act in my mind.
Carlos dead, Sarah gone to the wind, and Sarita bitten is not quite what I'd call working out. And again with people giving him credit for the guts idea.
Luke attempted to rescue the group and failed because he stole food which resulted in Kenny's beatdown and crushes the group's hope of escap… moreing. Luke messed up and had consequences. Even leaving Carver alive would've been a huge mistake, but of course Kenny took care of it and Kenny's plan worked out while Luke's plan backfired and failed miserably.
I am ready to give Luke as many chances as he needs. There has to be some good moments for him in episode 4! (Otherwise, I do not think that Telltales is going to do something good with him anymore)
You claimed his presentation was more controversial in season one and that now they're just painting him as some big hero. But the Carver scene is grossly at odds with that. It doesn't matter if some players are going "Badass!" when the game itself was hardly concerned with that. It was meant to be disturbing.
The crowbar moment wasn't necessarily heroic, but it was badass, and a lot of people wanted to see Carver get his just deserts. So I don't really think that counts, but hey, it's subjective.
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One thing I noticed, they never explained what the hell happened between Kenny and Luke in the end of episode 2...
Like, it's only all of your friends being threatened by your psychotic ex-leader and his henchmen. Sure, go take a breather. Nah, it just seems fishy. Like Telltale originally wanted there to be something there, but changed it for some reason.
Well somehow Luke loves that !
The problem is all characters from S2 don't have a chance to tell who they are, what they are thinking.
They just die before I have a reason to like them.
I would love to see more focus on Luke in the upcoming episodes but they've done well making him plenty interesting with what screen time he's currently been given, IMO. I don't think it's an accident the way he's been presented. They're deliberately playing with our perceptions of him. I wouldn't be surprised if they save the chunk of his back story for the final episode. In the meantime, try to keep an open mind about what Telltale may have in store for him.
However, while he's opposed to violence, he's also pragmatic, which sort of makes him... indirectly violent. While planning their escape, he mentions leaving people behind. Also, him stealing food ended up getting Kenny maimed, but he hadn't eaten in days and knew it could be a while before they found more food, so he decided it was a necessary risk to take to ensure his own survival.
Basically, Luke and Kenny are opposites, and they're probably supposed to mirror Clem's (and the player's) internal struggle about how best to survive.
I can't imagine what it would be like if he went missing at the end of season 2. o.O
Kenny lost his son and Wife and what I think is that he hasn't take out his anger, instead he did it on Carver, showing that how much Anger he have been holding for himself.
And then Luke might are going to kill Kenny because he shot one of the group. But idunno it sounds wrong O.o.
He's like a self-insert character in a fanfiction; too badass, and none of his flaws really seem to be flaws since there are no actual consequences for them. I wouldn't count the beatdown as a consequence, since the reason it happened was out of his own desire to protect his family which now includes Clem. That's no flaw and is something that makes him seem heroic, which is what I'm talking about here.