Wow. Unbelievable. You were able to explain Luke's character like this, and a lot of people think he's becoming a bad character because you can't walk around and talk to him about what he's thinking.
Everything that you just explained? THIS is what character development is supposed to be.
I think that's kind of the point? Luke isn't supposed to be a "badass" like Kenny, and that's why they butt heads. Luke's approach to surviv… moreal is more quiet and sneaky, and he doesn't believe in violence for violence's sake. He didn't shoot Carver because it wasn't necessary. Notice that he's the one who's most vocally opposed to Kenny smashing Carver's head in.
However, while he's opposed to violence, he's also pragmatic, which sort of makes him... indirectly violent. While planning their escape, he mentions leaving people behind. Also, him stealing food ended up getting Kenny maimed, but he hadn't eaten in days and knew it could be a while before they found more food, so he decided it was a necessary risk to take to ensure his own survival.
Basically, Luke and Kenny are opposites, and they're probably supposed to mirror Clem's (and the player's) internal struggle about how best to survive.
OMG YES THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN!! :D
Luke: 'What's the most important thing in this world?'
Clem: 'Uh, family?'
Luke: 'Nope. Doggy Treats.' *runs off after a squirrel*
A DLC consisting of Clem and the group calling "here Luke Luke Luke" while squeaking a doggy toys and shouting "who wants to go walkies-no not walkers! AH!"
OMG YES THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN!! :D
Luke: 'What's the most important thing in this world?'
Clem: 'Uh, family?'
Luke: 'Nope. Doggy Treats.' *runs off after a squirrel*
Carver: You won't talk eh? Fine then. Troy, bring out...the cone, of shame.
All: GASP!
Luke: I do not like the cone of shame T_T
And you would. He is one of my favorite characters XD I like him. And Nick too, I really love that screw up of a blue eye'd dork [WHY DOES HE HAVE TO BE A DETERMINED CHARACTER IT ISN'T FAIR!?]
And will return to his dog ways when he dies again XD
I just realised I'm constantly finding you on Luke related posts Lilacsbloom, we're constantly agreeing, it's great XD
And as I just said I wouldn't kill the dog but I would kill him. I have to admit, I get more upset if an animal dies than a human, unless it's family of course.
Yep, my favorite character after Clem and Lee! I swear I'm not normally like this but those boys EYES are SO GORGEOUS DAMMIT. We're doing well, one episode since determined status and he's alive, would it be too much to ask for the end of the season? Let's [sad eyes] Telltale, maybe they'll listen!
Carver: You won't talk eh? Fine then. Troy, bring out...the cone, of shame.
All: GASP!
Luke: I do not like the cone of shame T_T
An… mored you would. He is one of my favorite characters XD I like him. And Nick too, I really love that screw up of a blue eye'd dork [WHY DOES HE HAVE TO BE A DETERMINED CHARACTER IT ISN'T FAIR!?]
P.S Let's team up and take over the world! :P
Luke: Clem can you get me one of those radio's? Do you think you can-SQUIRREL!
Clem: o_o...
Luke:...Hi there.
Oh I'll be so ticked off if they kill Luke this season. It won't even be a sad 'Lee death' moment for me, it'll just be a straight up "YOU MAKE US LIKE HIS GUY AND HAVE HIM BE THE NICE BIG BRO FOR CLEM AND THEN YOU KILL HIM OFF!? NOT AGAIN!" seriously, we lost Lee and if they do the same stuff again where they kill off somebody really close Clem where she's miserable I'm gonna flip. I'm already worried for Kenny as it is on that!
Besides if Telltale do a season 3, I'd kinda [REALLY] would like to play as Luke.
Luke: [sad eyes]
Carver:.... No, Troy, don't. XD
Yep, my favorite character after Clem and Lee! I swear I'm not normally like this bu… moret those boys EYES are SO GORGEOUS DAMMIT. We're doing well, one episode since determined status and he's alive, would it be too much to ask for the end of the season? Let's [sad eyes] Telltale, maybe they'll listen!
Luke: ...and some dog biscui--I MEAN food! Yeah, FOOD!
I think losing Lee was too traumatising and they should REALLY give us a break with heartbreaking things like that. Yeah, I'd be PISSED. Lee dying fit so well with the story, I feel like Luke dying will be anticlimatic.. Oh, dear, Clem can't lose ANYONE else now, I would just stop talking to people in fear of losing them :/
Playing as Luke would be so so so cool, but it can't happen because we know too much about him now, same reason why we can't play as Kenny or anyone, Clementine was an exception because we shaped her to be like who she is :)
Luke: Clem can you get me one of those radio's? Do you think you can-SQUIRREL!
Clem: o_o...
Luke:...Hi there.
Oh I'll be so ticked … moreoff if they kill Luke this season. It won't even be a sad 'Lee death' moment for me, it'll just be a straight up "YOU MAKE US LIKE HIS GUY AND HAVE HIM BE THE NICE BIG BRO FOR CLEM AND THEN YOU KILL HIM OFF!? NOT AGAIN!" seriously, we lost Lee and if they do the same stuff again where they kill off somebody really close Clem where she's miserable I'm gonna flip. I'm already worried for Kenny as it is on that!
Besides if Telltale do a season 3, I'd kinda [REALLY] would like to play as Luke.
lol you expect Mr. "STILL! You don't kill dogs! T.T" to execute human beings without a care?
So Luke doesn't have Kenny's huge swinging… more nuts or his Animal Mother levels of bloodlust. So what? Nobody does. Ruthless Badass is Kenny's domain.
Luke traveled day and night without sleep alone back to the compound and snuck around like a superhuman ninja talking to everyone at his leisure while trying to help them escape because he's sneaky friendly zombul-assassin guy who avoids conflict as much as he can.
Yeah, that's why I don't think they will kill him this season, at least I hope not...(sobs).
But really it would just anticlimatic like you said. Why bother letting Luke know about Lee if he'll be crossed off the list like poor Nick and some of the others have been. I even worry for Kenny, I want him to live but I worry he won't make it T.T
Well that's not entirely true. I mean we played as Bonnie and yet here she is with her own personality in likeness to 400 Days. So it probably could work, since the options can still show through the character's personal choices on how they would react to a situation, not just 'I'm gonna be bad/good/passive/dotdotdot' in every piece of dialogue :p trust me, Luke being a playable character is possible.
Luke: ...and some dog biscui--I MEAN food! Yeah, FOOD!
I think losing Lee was too traumatising and they should REALLY give us a break w… moreith heartbreaking things like that. Yeah, I'd be PISSED. Lee dying fit so well with the story, I feel like Luke dying will be anticlimatic.. Oh, dear, Clem can't lose ANYONE else now, I would just stop talking to people in fear of losing them :/
Playing as Luke would be so so so cool, but it can't happen because we know too much about him now, same reason why we can't play as Kenny or anyone, Clementine was an exception because we shaped her to be like who she is :)
I'm sort of half expecting Luke to turn into the villain. Something about him just gives me that vibe.
He disappears in some of the key moments, like the lodge, also he could be leaving clues for the Carver group to find them. He sort of comes across to me like a Carver wanna-be, but in a "sheep's clothing kind of way". I remember at some point in the game Bonnie said that they had different ideas in regards to how to manage the community and I am just expecting a major twist up ahead.
Any one else get a funny vibe from the guy? I just can't see him at all like a Lee-like figure. I even thought I'd prefer to be on the new group's side rather than Kenny due to his bad attitude towards Lee in the past, but my gut keeps on telling me different and my Clementine is gravitating more towards K-mustache.
But unlike Ben, Nick is at least man enough to admit when he is in the wrong, even though it may take some time. His mess ups edge him toward Ben territory, true, but his repentance pulls him back, at least somewhat.
I like your idea. I think it would benefit from giving the non-cabin group more characterization for it to work well, but picturing that in my head, I can see real promise.
The more I think about it, the more I think it would have been best to give Carver a Julius Caesar death. Have the people that he hurt and b… moreullied and oppressed (maybe barring Luke, Sarah, Sarita, Bonnie, etc) all start ripping him apart in this vicious burst of anger. Give Clementine the option to join in or not. When it's over it's just sad and scary, and they're either just standing their staring at his body in hatred or they're looking at each other, with these horrified expressions like, "What did we just do?"
It would have had a better irony to it, having his "people" tear him down together. Mirrors the whole mob mentality theme. It was a mob mentality that built Carver up and gave him power, and it was a mob mentality to bring him down.
I don't find anything Kenny did in this episode heroic except for taking a beating for Clem. That was it. His "plan" was complete garbage and would have killed them all if it wasn't for Jane and Clem and the walker guts plan, and people STILL died. Do we really think Kenny would have just gone along with another plan if they'd refused his? He'd probably just trudge right along with what he wanted to do regardless of consequences because that's the kind of character he is. Just because that kind of "planning" somewhat works out doesn't make it good planning or good mentality. And this plan was barely even his!
I think people are way over-blowing Kenny's heroism in this episode. He saved Clem from....probably not much of anything, actually, since Carver likes her. I get his intent and it IS a big deal that he put himself on the line like that for Clementine, but that was the extent of his heroism. If anything, he showed more of his slide into irrational, compulsive action and brutality in this episode. I saw that much more than anything.
The problem with Luke is that he did something amazing by following them with no food or water or sleep but it happens off-screen so nobody really acknowledges it. I think Telltale tried to use his obvious exhaustion as a tell about how crazy what he did is but they should have known better than to think that would be enough. Viewers/gamers often need to be beat over the head with things and shown things clearly for them to really stick. He gets caught stealing food and his plan falls under but that's really all that happens. In the grand scheme of the Walking Dead, Luke has done barely anything wrong.
And maybe that's the problem. The issue is that, for good or for bad, Luke's presence was incredibly underwhelming considering what the writers put him through while he was trying to rescue the group and the hype for this episode before it was released. A big deal is made of Luke's departure and yet there he is a day later, a time frame that suggests he really has done nothing but follow them since they were captured. And then his plan falls through in such a boring way that ONCE AGAIN we don't get to see take place. I feel like more people would appreciate Luke's failures and successes and moments of badass if we....actually got to see them.
Also, I think they might be trolling us with the preview for the next episode. That "where is Luke?" line could have been taken WAY out of context. He might have just left a second ago to go get something and returns just a moment later, etc. They know that this has become kind of a joke among TWDG fans. A lot of things in this recent episode's preview did not at all full on hint at what would really go down in the episode.
so the fact that carver killed the closest thing to a family that he had since he lost his doesn't factor into it? luke not being there to try and help save his family probably would rub him the wrong way too. luke showed up to save his own family in kenny's eyes, which while understandable doesn't exactly bring warm fuzzy feelings into the mix.
i am not saying luke is a bad guy, or that he wouldn't have tried to save kenny's family if he could, but from kenny's perspective shit was going down and luke was nowhere to be seen.
I really don't think that Kenny's a hero. He's turning into a monster, It's obvious that he cares for his people, however, he's losing his h… moreumanity, and it is so clear that Kenny wants to be a leader, whether it's a good one or bad one, is up to Telltale.
I mean.. look how he reacts to Luke and Carver, both leaders of a group. He really doesn't like Luke, telling him to "Take a hike" and whatnot, and he smashes Carver's faces a number of times. He's also reluctantly to join Carver's group, being the one who started to rebel.
I hope I'm wrong.. AND I also hope that Luke and Kenny join forces with both of them being leaders. Luke with his humanity and Kenny with his beard.
to be fair, no one can replace lee, except maybe chuck norris, but he would just steal the show by single handedly ending the zombie apocalypse, restore order to the world, and ensure everlasting peace on earth.
seriously though lee's shoes are awfully big to fill, i wouldn't expect anyone to fill them.
I'm sort of half expecting Luke to turn into the villain. Something about him just gives me that vibe.
He disappears in some of the ke… morey moments, like the lodge, also he could be leaving clues for the Carver group to find them. He sort of comes across to me like a Carver wanna-be, but in a "sheep's clothing kind of way". I remember at some point in the game Bonnie said that they had different ideas in regards to how to manage the community and I am just expecting a major twist up ahead.
Any one else get a funny vibe from the guy? I just can't see him at all like a Lee-like figure. I even thought I'd prefer to be on the new group's side rather than Kenny due to his bad attitude towards Lee in the past, but my gut keeps on telling me different and my Clementine is gravitating more towards K-mustache.
Kenny hated Luke before he left, but you are right with the Carver shot Kenny's family...
But in addition, there are other people who Kenny hates that are somewhat leaders, Lee and Lily. Lily was leader back in the days, and Kenny had a tense relationship with her, coincidence? I THINK NOT. For Lee, it's determined, If Lee did what Kenny wanted, Kenny would act like his best friend.. however, if Lee disagreed with Kenny's choices, he would hate him. This tells me that Kenny wants a "friend" who agrees with anything he says, even with killing a man or leaving a woman (Larry.)
Out of topic, does Kenny know what happened to Matthew?
so the fact that carver killed the closest thing to a family that he had since he lost his doesn't factor into it? luke not being there to … moretry and help save his family probably would rub him the wrong way too. luke showed up to save his own family in kenny's eyes, which while understandable doesn't exactly bring warm fuzzy feelings into the mix.
i am not saying luke is a bad guy, or that he wouldn't have tried to save kenny's family if he could, but from kenny's perspective shit was going down and luke was nowhere to be seen.
based on everything that kenny says and does, i don't get the 'i want to be leader' vibe. i get the 'i have trouble with authority' vibe. those sorts of people give shit to leaders anytime they make mistakes, and they bitch over things they would do different even if it isn't a mistake. they also tend to step up and do what needs to be done, inspite of what people think. so far everything that has happened has reflected such. he'll be a leader if he must, but i don't get the vibe that he wants to be a leader (or a follower for that matter).
Kenny hated Luke before he left, but you are right with the Carver shot Kenny's family...
But in addition, there are other people who Ken… moreny hates that are somewhat leaders, Lee and Lily. Lily was leader back in the days, and Kenny had a tense relationship with her, coincidence? I THINK NOT. For Lee, it's determined, If Lee did what Kenny wanted, Kenny would act like his best friend.. however, if Lee disagreed with Kenny's choices, he would hate him. This tells me that Kenny wants a "friend" who agrees with anything he says, even with killing a man or leaving a woman (Larry.)
Out of topic, does Kenny know what happened to Matthew?
In the apocalypse, not really. Read the comics man. Carl is just as capable as a grown man right now. There's a reason why Carl and Clem are alive right now. In my opinion, I'm not mad at Luke at all. You know why??? Because he came for them. He didn't have to do that. He risked his life, he could've just realized that it wasn't worth it and moved on. But he didn't. That's counts for something.
Kenny is very irresponsible and can not be trusted. His heart's in the right place, but he's too passionate and irrational. He's a good man, but I wouldn't count on him guiding me. He's a follower, not a leader. Problem is, he's not good at following either.
Luke didn't disappear again -_- if anyone did it was Clem, Sarita, and possibly Bonnie who disappeared, for fucks sake the first achievement for episode 4 is "get separated from the group" so obviously Luke didn't disappear, he is currently with the majority which is Kenny, Mike, Nick (Determinant), Jane, Rebecca,
Kenny knowing Walter for several weeks doesn't exactly make me think they were 'family'. Good friends, yes, but they definitely weren't considered family.
so the fact that carver killed the closest thing to a family that he had since he lost his doesn't factor into it? luke not being there to … moretry and help save his family probably would rub him the wrong way too. luke showed up to save his own family in kenny's eyes, which while understandable doesn't exactly bring warm fuzzy feelings into the mix.
i am not saying luke is a bad guy, or that he wouldn't have tried to save kenny's family if he could, but from kenny's perspective shit was going down and luke was nowhere to be seen.
well when everyone's family is dead and typically you can't trust anyone you meet, close friends is a bit closer to family than prezombie apocalypse. maybe it was just me but it seemed kenny was pretty close to the others (more so than a few weeks would normally be, maybe kenny was just soft).
carver killed the closest thing to a family
Kenny knowing Walter for several weeks doesn't exactly make me think they were 'family'. Good friends, yes, but they definitely weren't considered family.
Actually Gavin Hammon explained why he said Heh fucker, it was because even after handing him the radio Carver kept counting meaning he was going to be beaten either way
Why are people blaming Luke for Carver beating Kenny? Kenny brought that on himself by mouthing off, "Heh. Fucker," after handing him the ra… moredio. If Kenny had kept his cool and not felt the need to get in the last word, he could've avoided that beating entirely.
I like where they're heading with his character, actually. Luke is presented as desperately wanting to be a leader but just... not being ver… morey good at it. He's human, he makes mistakes and has flaws. This is good writing, here.
Kenny's the one who got the brunt of bad writing, IMO. He was way too big a character and stole the spotlight from less developed characters. I was happy to see his return but now the fact that they're rehashing him so much just seems unfair. If anyone should have bashed Carver's face in, it should have been Rebecca. And she's stone cold, I bet she would have done it, too.
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Everything that you just explained? THIS is what character development is supposed to be.
Luke: 'What's the most important thing in this world?'
Clem: 'Uh, family?'
Luke: 'Nope. Doggy Treats.' *runs off after a squirrel*
But yeah, I'm glad they let him mess up, otherwise he'd be hated on for being the perfect dude with the perfect plan who saved them all.
I just realised I'm constantly finding you on Luke related posts Lilacsbloom, we're constantly agreeing, it's great XD
All: GASP!
Luke: I do not like the cone of shame T_T
And you would. He is one of my favorite characters XD I like him. And Nick too, I really love that screw up of a blue eye'd dork [WHY DOES HE HAVE TO BE A DETERMINED CHARACTER IT ISN'T FAIR!?]
P.S Let's team up and take over the world! :P
Carver:.... No, Troy, don't. XD
Yep, my favorite character after Clem and Lee! I swear I'm not normally like this but those boys EYES are SO GORGEOUS DAMMIT. We're doing well, one episode since determined status and he's alive, would it be too much to ask for the end of the season? Let's [sad eyes] Telltale, maybe they'll listen!
Clem: o_o...
Luke:...Hi there.
Oh I'll be so ticked off if they kill Luke this season. It won't even be a sad 'Lee death' moment for me, it'll just be a straight up "YOU MAKE US LIKE HIS GUY AND HAVE HIM BE THE NICE BIG BRO FOR CLEM AND THEN YOU KILL HIM OFF!? NOT AGAIN!" seriously, we lost Lee and if they do the same stuff again where they kill off somebody really close Clem where she's miserable I'm gonna flip. I'm already worried for Kenny as it is on that!
Besides if Telltale do a season 3, I'd kinda [REALLY] would like to play as Luke.
I think losing Lee was too traumatising and they should REALLY give us a break with heartbreaking things like that. Yeah, I'd be PISSED. Lee dying fit so well with the story, I feel like Luke dying will be anticlimatic.. Oh, dear, Clem can't lose ANYONE else now, I would just stop talking to people in fear of losing them :/
Playing as Luke would be so so so cool, but it can't happen because we know too much about him now, same reason why we can't play as Kenny or anyone, Clementine was an exception because we shaped her to be like who she is :)
Why oh why did I have to imagine that. Anyone have some brain bleach?
But really it would just anticlimatic like you said. Why bother letting Luke know about Lee if he'll be crossed off the list like poor Nick and some of the others have been. I even worry for Kenny, I want him to live but I worry he won't make it T.T
Well that's not entirely true. I mean we played as Bonnie and yet here she is with her own personality in likeness to 400 Days. So it probably could work, since the options can still show through the character's personal choices on how they would react to a situation, not just 'I'm gonna be bad/good/passive/dotdotdot' in every piece of dialogue :p trust me, Luke being a playable character is possible.
He disappears in some of the key moments, like the lodge, also he could be leaving clues for the Carver group to find them. He sort of comes across to me like a Carver wanna-be, but in a "sheep's clothing kind of way". I remember at some point in the game Bonnie said that they had different ideas in regards to how to manage the community and I am just expecting a major twist up ahead.
Any one else get a funny vibe from the guy? I just can't see him at all like a Lee-like figure. I even thought I'd prefer to be on the new group's side rather than Kenny due to his bad attitude towards Lee in the past, but my gut keeps on telling me different and my Clementine is gravitating more towards K-mustache.
I think people are way over-blowing Kenny's heroism in this episode. He saved Clem from....probably not much of anything, actually, since Carver likes her. I get his intent and it IS a big deal that he put himself on the line like that for Clementine, but that was the extent of his heroism. If anything, he showed more of his slide into irrational, compulsive action and brutality in this episode. I saw that much more than anything.
The problem with Luke is that he did something amazing by following them with no food or water or sleep but it happens off-screen so nobody really acknowledges it. I think Telltale tried to use his obvious exhaustion as a tell about how crazy what he did is but they should have known better than to think that would be enough. Viewers/gamers often need to be beat over the head with things and shown things clearly for them to really stick. He gets caught stealing food and his plan falls under but that's really all that happens. In the grand scheme of the Walking Dead, Luke has done barely anything wrong.
And maybe that's the problem. The issue is that, for good or for bad, Luke's presence was incredibly underwhelming considering what the writers put him through while he was trying to rescue the group and the hype for this episode before it was released. A big deal is made of Luke's departure and yet there he is a day later, a time frame that suggests he really has done nothing but follow them since they were captured. And then his plan falls through in such a boring way that ONCE AGAIN we don't get to see take place. I feel like more people would appreciate Luke's failures and successes and moments of badass if we....actually got to see them.
Also, I think they might be trolling us with the preview for the next episode. That "where is Luke?" line could have been taken WAY out of context. He might have just left a second ago to go get something and returns just a moment later, etc. They know that this has become kind of a joke among TWDG fans. A lot of things in this recent episode's preview did not at all full on hint at what would really go down in the episode.
And what kind of stereotype am I then?
stereotypical non hippie human (or a variation like animal rights activist, tree hugger, antisocial mass murderer, etc.).
so the fact that carver killed the closest thing to a family that he had since he lost his doesn't factor into it? luke not being there to try and help save his family probably would rub him the wrong way too. luke showed up to save his own family in kenny's eyes, which while understandable doesn't exactly bring warm fuzzy feelings into the mix.
i am not saying luke is a bad guy, or that he wouldn't have tried to save kenny's family if he could, but from kenny's perspective shit was going down and luke was nowhere to be seen.
to be fair, no one can replace lee, except maybe chuck norris, but he would just steal the show by single handedly ending the zombie apocalypse, restore order to the world, and ensure everlasting peace on earth.
seriously though lee's shoes are awfully big to fill, i wouldn't expect anyone to fill them.
Kenny hated Luke before he left, but you are right with the Carver shot Kenny's family...
But in addition, there are other people who Kenny hates that are somewhat leaders, Lee and Lily. Lily was leader back in the days, and Kenny had a tense relationship with her, coincidence? I THINK NOT. For Lee, it's determined, If Lee did what Kenny wanted, Kenny would act like his best friend.. however, if Lee disagreed with Kenny's choices, he would hate him. This tells me that Kenny wants a "friend" who agrees with anything he says, even with killing a man or leaving a woman (Larry.)
Out of topic, does Kenny know what happened to Matthew?
based on everything that kenny says and does, i don't get the 'i want to be leader' vibe. i get the 'i have trouble with authority' vibe. those sorts of people give shit to leaders anytime they make mistakes, and they bitch over things they would do different even if it isn't a mistake. they also tend to step up and do what needs to be done, inspite of what people think. so far everything that has happened has reflected such. he'll be a leader if he must, but i don't get the vibe that he wants to be a leader (or a follower for that matter).
In the apocalypse, not really. Read the comics man. Carl is just as capable as a grown man right now. There's a reason why Carl and Clem are alive right now. In my opinion, I'm not mad at Luke at all. You know why??? Because he came for them. He didn't have to do that. He risked his life, he could've just realized that it wasn't worth it and moved on. But he didn't. That's counts for something.
Kenny is very irresponsible and can not be trusted. His heart's in the right place, but he's too passionate and irrational. He's a good man, but I wouldn't count on him guiding me. He's a follower, not a leader. Problem is, he's not good at following either.
Luke didn't disappear again -_- if anyone did it was Clem, Sarita, and possibly Bonnie who disappeared, for fucks sake the first achievement for episode 4 is "get separated from the group" so obviously Luke didn't disappear, he is currently with the majority which is Kenny, Mike, Nick (Determinant), Jane, Rebecca,
Well, they wasted Peter Joseph Randall.
Like damn, I'd trade Nick for Pete anyday
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not anymore.
Kenny knowing Walter for several weeks doesn't exactly make me think they were 'family'. Good friends, yes, but they definitely weren't considered family.
well when everyone's family is dead and typically you can't trust anyone you meet, close friends is a bit closer to family than prezombie apocalypse. maybe it was just me but it seemed kenny was pretty close to the others (more so than a few weeks would normally be, maybe kenny was just soft).
Actually Gavin Hammon explained why he said Heh fucker, it was because even after handing him the radio Carver kept counting meaning he was going to be beaten either way
In my opinion Kenny deserved it. Carver ripped his fucking eye out!!
Than again, although it's Determinant, he killed Alvin, so.... It's tough to say...