Thats like saying im not blaming a certain person i blame God/Evolution or whatever.
Thats just how they wrote his character, blaming Telltale for how a character behaves is childish in my opinion, this isnt a request site to tell TTG to improve a certain character, you wouldnt do that with a movie/tv show would you?
Yes Luke f'ed up, but that would happen to most people in his situation where his chances were slim and the odds were against him.
The last part of your comment made no sense, if there is someone to hold a grudge its Kenny it only makes sense that he was the one to destroy Carvers face. And the fact that you see Rebecca was fit to the task is hilarious, like Pete said, her bark is worse than her bite. I just dont see her being able to do that at all.
I like where they're heading with his character, actually. Luke is presented as desperately wanting to be a leader but just... not being ver… morey good at it. He's human, he makes mistakes and has flaws. This is good writing, here.
Kenny's the one who got the brunt of bad writing, IMO. He was way too big a character and stole the spotlight from less developed characters. I was happy to see his return but now the fact that they're rehashing him so much just seems unfair. If anyone should have bashed Carver's face in, it should have been Rebecca. And she's stone cold, I bet she would have done it, too.
I think that's kind of the point? Luke isn't supposed to be a "badass" like Kenny, and that's why they butt heads. Luke's approach to surviv… moreal is more quiet and sneaky, and he doesn't believe in violence for violence's sake. He didn't shoot Carver because it wasn't necessary. Notice that he's the one who's most vocally opposed to Kenny smashing Carver's head in.
However, while he's opposed to violence, he's also pragmatic, which sort of makes him... indirectly violent. While planning their escape, he mentions leaving people behind. Also, him stealing food ended up getting Kenny maimed, but he hadn't eaten in days and knew it could be a while before they found more food, so he decided it was a necessary risk to take to ensure his own survival.
Basically, Luke and Kenny are opposites, and they're probably supposed to mirror Clem's (and the player's) internal struggle about how best to survive.
Why are people blaming Luke for Carver beating Kenny? Kenny brought that on himself by mouthing off, "Heh. Fucker," after handing him the radio. If Kenny had kept his cool and not felt the need to get in the last word, he could've avoided that beating entirely.
^ he said "heh fucker" because he knew that Carver was about to beat the shit out of him.
As for Luke the only thing irritating me is that he is "missing" most of the time when a
The action is happening.. Missing when carver attacks the lodge.. Missing when the group is captured and even missing in the episode 4 preview.. I think they will give Luke more time in episode 4 to get us attached and then in episode 5 it will b the big decision.
The more I think about it, the more I think it would have been best to give Carver a Julius Caesar death. Have the people that he hurt and bullied and oppressed (maybe barring Luke, Sarah, Sarita, Bonnie, etc) all start ripping him apart in this vicious burst of anger. Give Clementine the option to join in or not. When it's over it's just sad and scary, and they're either just standing their staring at his body in hatred or they're looking at each other, with these horrified expressions like, "What did we just do?"
It would have had a better irony to it, having his "people" tear him down together. Mirrors the whole mob mentality theme. It was a mob mentality that built Carver up and gave him power, and it was a mob mentality to bring him down.
The last part of your comment made no sense, if there is someone to hold a grudge its Kenny it only makes sense that he was the one to destr… moreoy Carvers face. And the fact that you see Rebecca was fit to the task is hilarious, like Pete said, her bark is worse than her bite. I just dont see her being able to do that at all.
I watched a lets play and I tried to keep track of how many days Luke went without sleep and food. The episode starts in daylight, whereas 202 ends in dark. Now, Im going to assume the truck was parked at the bottom of the mountain, because Clem saw lights that didnt resemble a truck at the bottom of the mountain. My conclusions is this: The group head down the mountain board the truck and drive, then stop for the night. Episode 203 starts the next day, they bead and stop for Sarah mid afternoon, and they drive to camp for the whole day, as they go to sleep when they arrive. This is assuming camp isnt further than the cabin.
My point is, Luke followed the truck on foot to Carvers camp, which is much faster than Luke's running speed. He did this for minimum one night and one day. He stayed hidden outside Carvers camp for that night and broke in the next day, when we see him first. Two nights with no sleep and three days with no food. No wonder he fucked up and had to steal!
If that isnt badass, idk what it is. He could have ditched them!
Just another plothole from the moron writer of Episode 3.
I personally feel that it was planned that Luke would be killed off. A youtuber predicted that Kenny killed Luke with intentions of keeping Clementine there. This would be explained later, but sadly the old writers were replaced with this guy who should never be writing Walking Dead material again. All in theory of course, but its seeming that this was the case. Kenny was implied to have murdered him, which is why he told Sarita and Clem to stay away from him and luke as its "Too dangerous".
No, they are making him human. As in he makes mistakes and has flaws like everybody else. He was too perfect in the first 2 episodes.
O… morene thing I noticed, they never explained what the hell happened between Kenny and Luke in the end of episode 2...
But it's really not moronic. If this is the case (which you don't know, you're just butthurt about this writer for some reason) this writer basically SAVED Luke's character from an idiotic, meaningless and badly written death last episode.
Killing Luke off-screen because "oh yeah, Kenny didn't like him", just for shock value is a very good example of bad writing. Would have been a total waste of the character. Seems like you wouldn't be as good a writer as you think if this is indeed what you wanted to happen.
I don't get what you have against this writer. There are no plotholes (see the DEFINITION of plotholes below and tell me again what "plotholes" you're referring to) so what is it exactly? Not enough Nick? No hubs? Kenny too awesome? I'd like to know. Because he's no where near as bad a writer as you make him out to be. TWAU's Faith is a very good example of this.
Definition of plot hole:
"A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation."
Just another plothole from the moron writer of Episode 3.
I personally feel that it was planned that Luke would be killed off. A youtuber… more predicted that Kenny killed Luke with intentions of keeping Clementine there. This would be explained later, but sadly the old writers were replaced with this guy who should never be writing Walking Dead material again. All in theory of course, but its seeming that this was the case. Kenny was implied to have murdered him, which is why he told Sarita and Clem to stay away from him and luke as its "Too dangerous".
I watched a lets play and I tried to keep track of how many days Luke went without sleep and food. The episode starts in daylight, whereas 2… more02 ends in dark. Now, Im going to assume the truck was parked at the bottom of the mountain, because Clem saw lights that didnt resemble a truck at the bottom of the mountain. My conclusions is this: The group head down the mountain board the truck and drive, then stop for the night. Episode 203 starts the next day, they bead and stop for Sarah mid afternoon, and they drive to camp for the whole day, as they go to sleep when they arrive. This is assuming camp isnt further than the cabin.
My point is, Luke followed the truck on foot to Carvers camp, which is much faster than Luke's running speed. He did this for minimum one night and one day. He stayed hidden outside Carvers camp for that night and broke in the next day, when we see him first. Two nights with no sleep and three days with no food. No … [view original content]
Im just saying that all of Luke's badassery happens off screen, who knows what hes been yhrough in a world of zombies for two nights and two days with no sleep no food? I thunk its unfair to compare him to Kenny, I mean, we know him since episode one of season one, Lukes only had threee episodes to prove somethinh, and he was missing for most of three and half of ep one, we need to give him the rest of the season to become competition to Kenny.
I think that's kind of the point? Luke isn't supposed to be a "badass" like Kenny, and that's why they butt heads. Luke's approach to surviv… moreal is more quiet and sneaky, and he doesn't believe in violence for violence's sake. He didn't shoot Carver because it wasn't necessary. Notice that he's the one who's most vocally opposed to Kenny smashing Carver's head in.
However, while he's opposed to violence, he's also pragmatic, which sort of makes him... indirectly violent. While planning their escape, he mentions leaving people behind. Also, him stealing food ended up getting Kenny maimed, but he hadn't eaten in days and knew it could be a while before they found more food, so he decided it was a necessary risk to take to ensure his own survival.
Basically, Luke and Kenny are opposites, and they're probably supposed to mirror Clem's (and the player's) internal struggle about how best to survive.
yep, for most people it is out of sight, out of mind. based on what we know he went at least 2 nights without sleep, i think it may have been mentioned that he went 3 nights without sleep. no sleep requires more food, cross country hiking requires more food, so he should be hungrier than most people will ever get in their entire lives. he is pretty bad ass for that, kenny is no slouch, but i don't know if he has the mental toughness to match what luke did. they are two fairly badass people, just in two different ways.
Im just saying that all of Luke's badassery happens off screen, who knows what hes been yhrough in a world of zombies for two nights and two… more days with no sleep no food? I thunk its unfair to compare him to Kenny, I mean, we know him since episode one of season one, Lukes only had threee episodes to prove somethinh, and he was missing for most of three and half of ep one, we need to give him the rest of the season to become competition to Kenny.
How is Nick the Ben of Season 2? He killed one person by mistake, and now everybody is ganging up on him and calling him a liability. He hasn't done anything else wrong other than the Matthew incident.
lol you expect Mr. "STILL! You don't kill dogs! T.T" to execute human beings without a care?
So Luke doesn't have Kenny's huge swinging nuts or his Animal Mother levels of bloodlust. So what? Nobody does. Ruthless Badass is Kenny's domain.
Luke traveled day and night without sleep alone back to the compound and snuck around like a superhuman ninja talking to everyone at his leisure while trying to help them escape because he's sneaky friendly zombul-assassin guy who avoids conflict as much as he can.
I think that's kind of the point? Luke isn't supposed to be a "badass" like Kenny, and that's why they butt heads. Luke's approach to surviv… moreal is more quiet and sneaky, and he doesn't believe in violence for violence's sake. He didn't shoot Carver because it wasn't necessary. Notice that he's the one who's most vocally opposed to Kenny smashing Carver's head in.
However, while he's opposed to violence, he's also pragmatic, which sort of makes him... indirectly violent. While planning their escape, he mentions leaving people behind. Also, him stealing food ended up getting Kenny maimed, but he hadn't eaten in days and knew it could be a while before they found more food, so he decided it was a necessary risk to take to ensure his own survival.
Basically, Luke and Kenny are opposites, and they're probably supposed to mirror Clem's (and the player's) internal struggle about how best to survive.
EXACTLY. I mean, kudos to Luke for bothering to, most likely, run after a truck for a good few hours! It's obvious the guy went through shit to get them when he says 'come all this way and this is the welcome I get'. It was no stroll.
Luke is the thinker, he was willing to wait a few more days without sleep or food to get the guys out of camp, with his walkie talkie plan. Kenny prefers to go in all guns blazing and not fail when he does that. These are different approaches, and one isnt better than the other!
yep, for most people it is out of sight, out of mind. based on what we know he went at least 2 nights without sleep, i think it may have be… moreen mentioned that he went 3 nights without sleep. no sleep requires more food, cross country hiking requires more food, so he should be hungrier than most people will ever get in their entire lives. he is pretty bad ass for that, kenny is no slouch, but i don't know if he has the mental toughness to match what luke did. they are two fairly badass people, just in two different ways.
Basically how skooth put it: he's outshining all of the other characters.
He's like a self-insert character in a fanfiction; too badass, … moreand none of his flaws really seem to be flaws since there are no actual consequences for them. I wouldn't count the beatdown as a consequence, since the reason it happened was out of his own desire to protect his family which now includes Clem. That's no flaw and is something that makes him seem heroic, which is what I'm talking about here.
I really don't think that Kenny's a hero. He's turning into a monster, It's obvious that he cares for his people, however, he's losing his humanity, and it is so clear that Kenny wants to be a leader, whether it's a good one or bad one, is up to Telltale.
I mean.. look how he reacts to Luke and Carver, both leaders of a group. He really doesn't like Luke, telling him to "Take a hike" and whatnot, and he smashes Carver's faces a number of times. He's also reluctantly to join Carver's group, being the one who started to rebel.
I hope I'm wrong.. AND I also hope that Luke and Kenny join forces with both of them being leaders. Luke with his humanity and Kenny with his beard.
lol you expect Mr. "STILL! You don't kill dogs! T.T" to execute human beings without a care?
So Luke doesn't have Kenny's huge swinging… more nuts or his Animal Mother levels of bloodlust. So what? Nobody does. Ruthless Badass is Kenny's domain.
Luke traveled day and night without sleep alone back to the compound and snuck around like a superhuman ninja talking to everyone at his leisure while trying to help them escape because he's sneaky friendly zombul-assassin guy who avoids conflict as much as he can.
In the first 2 episodes, everyone was giving Luke shit for being too "perfect" (unlike Nick and Kenny). Episode 3 shows us that he can screw up, what's the result? People still complain. If he were to get caught while saving Clem or something, what would everyone say? "Lol they want to make him look like a hero, gtfo xdxd", "I miss muh Lee, Luke will never be Lee :)))".
As many have noticed, both Luke and Kenny have the same goal: protecting the ones they care about, but take extremely different approaches to achieve that. Luke retains more humanity, he feels like a brother and tries to take more logical decisions, while Kenny is rash and aggressive, but extremely protective and loyal. Luke seems like the safer bet, but we know Kenny for so long, it's hard not to side with him. I think TTG knows more people would side with Luke, because Kenny might be going insane, so that's why they made us question Luke's behaviour and that's why they made Kenny so heroic in ep 3.
To be honest, after this episode, I have no idea who I'd go with at the end.
Luke hasn't caused that many to die. His count is the same as Clem's practically... but no one ever blames her. I don't blame her for anythi… moreng bad she's caused but for that reason we shouldn't justify the mistakes she has made then turn around and hate on Luke who's no different.
A DLC consisting of Clem and the group calling "here Luke Luke Luke" while squeaking a doggy toys and shouting "who wants to go walkies-no not walkers! AH!"
yes what the fuck does not killing an animal have to do with not being able to kill a human. I would never kill a innocent animal ( not like sam cause he was suffering so you have to) I rather first kill a human. they deserve it more.
lol you expect Mr. "STILL! You don't kill dogs! T.T" to execute human beings without a care?
So Luke doesn't have Kenny's huge swinging… more nuts or his Animal Mother levels of bloodlust. So what? Nobody does. Ruthless Badass is Kenny's domain.
Luke traveled day and night without sleep alone back to the compound and snuck around like a superhuman ninja talking to everyone at his leisure while trying to help them escape because he's sneaky friendly zombul-assassin guy who avoids conflict as much as he can.
Like I said it's because I the fact that you know luke didn't see what happened even after he found out that it attacked and tried to kill her he still says you don't kill dogs if he refuses to kill an animal then how can he stand to kill a human being
yes what the fuck does not killing an animal have to do with not being able to kill a human. I would never kill a innocent animal ( not like sam cause he was suffering so you have to) I rather first kill a human. they deserve it more.
So because it didn't go like you thought it did he's a moronic writer wow somebody predicted so FREAKING what remember the guy who predicted the rapture yeah he was wrong twice so yeah exactly and it wasn't implied kenny murdered did something yes but not murder
Just another plothole from the moron writer of Episode 3.
I personally feel that it was planned that Luke would be killed off. A youtuber… more predicted that Kenny killed Luke with intentions of keeping Clementine there. This would be explained later, but sadly the old writers were replaced with this guy who should never be writing Walking Dead material again. All in theory of course, but its seeming that this was the case. Kenny was implied to have murdered him, which is why he told Sarita and Clem to stay away from him and luke as its "Too dangerous".
because humans deserve it more, specially someone like carver. if the fucking kept attacking well not shit you kill it cuz its either him or me. but if its just a dog that didn't attack than I get it. rather kill a human. but that doesn't have anything to do with anything. luke just doest like killing for just killing it has to be justified zombies, or the dog sufferin
Like I said it's because I the fact that you know luke didn't see what happened even after he found out that it attacked and tried to kill h… moreer he still says you don't kill dogs if he refuses to kill an animal then how can he stand to kill a human being
yes what the fuck does not killing an animal have to do with not being able to kill a human. I would never kill a innocent animal ( not like sam cause he was suffering so you have to) I rather first kill a human. they deserve it more.
And as I just said I wouldn't kill the dog but I would kill him. I have to admit, I get more upset if an animal dies than a human, unless it's family of course.
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Thats just how they wrote his character, blaming Telltale for how a character behaves is childish in my opinion, this isnt a request site to tell TTG to improve a certain character, you wouldnt do that with a movie/tv show would you?
Yes Luke f'ed up, but that would happen to most people in his situation where his chances were slim and the odds were against him.
As for Luke the only thing irritating me is that he is "missing" most of the time when a
The action is happening.. Missing when carver attacks the lodge.. Missing when the group is captured and even missing in the episode 4 preview.. I think they will give Luke more time in episode 4 to get us attached and then in episode 5 it will b the big decision.
It would have had a better irony to it, having his "people" tear him down together. Mirrors the whole mob mentality theme. It was a mob mentality that built Carver up and gave him power, and it was a mob mentality to bring him down.
My point is, Luke followed the truck on foot to Carvers camp, which is much faster than Luke's running speed. He did this for minimum one night and one day. He stayed hidden outside Carvers camp for that night and broke in the next day, when we see him first. Two nights with no sleep and three days with no food. No wonder he fucked up and had to steal!
If that isnt badass, idk what it is. He could have ditched them!
I personally feel that it was planned that Luke would be killed off. A youtuber predicted that Kenny killed Luke with intentions of keeping Clementine there. This would be explained later, but sadly the old writers were replaced with this guy who should never be writing Walking Dead material again. All in theory of course, but its seeming that this was the case. Kenny was implied to have murdered him, which is why he told Sarita and Clem to stay away from him and luke as its "Too dangerous".
Killing Luke off-screen because "oh yeah, Kenny didn't like him", just for shock value is a very good example of bad writing. Would have been a total waste of the character. Seems like you wouldn't be as good a writer as you think if this is indeed what you wanted to happen.
I don't get what you have against this writer. There are no plotholes (see the DEFINITION of plotholes below and tell me again what "plotholes" you're referring to) so what is it exactly? Not enough Nick? No hubs? Kenny too awesome? I'd like to know. Because he's no where near as bad a writer as you make him out to be. TWAU's Faith is a very good example of this.
Definition of plot hole:
"A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation."
So Luke doesn't have Kenny's huge swinging nuts or his Animal Mother levels of bloodlust. So what? Nobody does. Ruthless Badass is Kenny's domain.
Luke traveled day and night without sleep alone back to the compound and snuck around like a superhuman ninja talking to everyone at his leisure while trying to help them escape because he's sneaky friendly zombul-assassin guy who avoids conflict as much as he can.
Luke is the thinker, he was willing to wait a few more days without sleep or food to get the guys out of camp, with his walkie talkie plan. Kenny prefers to go in all guns blazing and not fail when he does that. These are different approaches, and one isnt better than the other!
I mean.. look how he reacts to Luke and Carver, both leaders of a group. He really doesn't like Luke, telling him to "Take a hike" and whatnot, and he smashes Carver's faces a number of times. He's also reluctantly to join Carver's group, being the one who started to rebel.
I hope I'm wrong.. AND I also hope that Luke and Kenny join forces with both of them being leaders. Luke with his humanity and Kenny with his beard.
As many have noticed, both Luke and Kenny have the same goal: protecting the ones they care about, but take extremely different approaches to achieve that. Luke retains more humanity, he feels like a brother and tries to take more logical decisions, while Kenny is rash and aggressive, but extremely protective and loyal. Luke seems like the safer bet, but we know Kenny for so long, it's hard not to side with him. I think TTG knows more people would side with Luke, because Kenny might be going insane, so that's why they made us question Luke's behaviour and that's why they made Kenny so heroic in ep 3.
To be honest, after this episode, I have no idea who I'd go with at the end.
Tsk, It's kinda funny that I liked Ben a lot and now it seems like Luke is the number dos
Well anyhow, you're just right