I think it was Telltale's way of saying you can't save everyone, maybe foreshadowing something in the future, which I honestly think just means Clem will be alone in the end no matter what. Or that Clem can't be like she was in season 1 and needs to grow up now, otherwise she'll die. I originally thought the statue foreshadowed Sarah's fate, and honestly the quote on it (fallen, but not forsaken) does fit since if you do save her, she falls to her death, but in the end you know you didn't abandon her... but meh, I'm probably just thinking into that one too much.
Sarah's death was the biggest tragedy Not because it was sad (because it was) but because her potential was so immense for her own development AND clem.
An Equal to Clementine? Someone who can grow to be capable even if she WONT be a zombie slayer, she can maybe become like her dad?
Someone to be optimism and to show Clem that there's still happiness in other people?
Someone who grows to be more confident despite her weakness?
When do we EVER get two female friends who support each other in danger and devastation? Clementine had a friend in Duck and Ben but we never saw it through Lee's eyes. but we COULD have saw a friendship blossom for clem. Show her she still has someone special to lose and to protect for as long as possible. Someone to be responsible for. or to grow responsible together.
Why not the baby? There's no character development to be had there, it's a baby. It cries, eats and craps and will do for the next few years… more. Plus it's a burden. Sarah had so much potential as a character. Who have we got left now? Kenny - No real development to be had there, we already know him too well. Luke - Again, I don't think there's much that can be done with him as a character. He is who he is, a principled guy who makes mistakes, a good guy, but just an average person. At this point most people either love him or hate him and their minds won't be changed. Bonnie and Mike? I think they could be interesting, Mike moreso. And we can be pretty sure some people will be dead by the beginning of the next episode.
Nick and Sarah on the other hand both had loads to offer in terms of the story and character interaction. Sarah could have had an entire arc devoted to her transformation from sheltered little girl into useful group member. Now… [view original content]
But Sarah didn't Lose the will to live when the balcony fell.
She was begging for her life and begging for clementine. once you save her from the trailer park she is devastated but is screaming for help and didn't get it. She didn't even have the oppurtunity to use a gun to protect herself which TT tried to hint at before but failed at.
Because she literally had no use to the story, she didn't give anything, I mean keeping someone like her around in the story? The foundation they laid out for her character was already destined to break, so yep
I feel it's one of those, not everything will work out the way you want it to, situations. I'm sure most people wanted to see Sarah's character develop to new levels. It just didn't work out that way. A bold move by Telltale. One I enjoyed (in a very sad manner....)
Idk, I was disappointed that she died. I even taught her how to shoot in episode 2, hoping that would help her. Would have been interesting to see that come into play sometime. Oh well...
Seriously, no one jumps down to help Jane save her, no one shoots the walkers eating her, no one even thinks to shoot her so she doesn't have to suffer. I mean, why the hell was Sarah even out on the balcony anyways, rather than stay back with Rebecca? Out of character much?
Sarah died by falling into a gigantic plot hole.
Seriously, no one jumps down to help Jane save her, no one shoots the walkers eating her… more, no one even thinks to shoot her so she doesn't have to suffer. I mean, why the hell was Sarah even out on the balcony anyways, rather than stay back with Rebecca? Out of character much?
I really don't see the possible character development that some people see. She was gone. She was not helpful. Of course when she's meeting the end she gets animated.
It's not even like they made her second death good. It was full of the obvious plot hole that no one even tried to save her except for Jane, who needed convincing. Like, why is no one trying to save her, we have guns with ammo and there weren't too many near her. They just wanted a quick excuse to get rid of her because they didn't want a determinant character. They completely threw away all of here potential, and worst of all they did it in a bad way. You can even tell she had potential because by the time the balcony falls she clearly didn't want to die, as she screamed for help.
It's not even like they made her second death good. It was full of the obvious plot hole that no one even tried to save her except for Jane,… more who needed convincing. Like, why is no one trying to save her, we have guns with ammo and there weren't too many near her. They just wanted a quick excuse to get rid of her because they didn't want a determinant character. They completely threw away all of here potential, and worst of all they did it in a bad way. You can even tell she had potential because by the time the balcony falls she clearly didn't want to die, as she screamed for help.
It was, but at least it made sense. I mean, there was the whole "Why didn't Clem grab the gun" thing, but you can chalk that up to a simple accident gone horribly wrong. The group could have easily saved Sarah, but they didn't even try.
It was, but at least it made sense. I mean, there was the whole "Why didn't Clem grab the gun" thing, but you can chalk that up to a simple accident gone horribly wrong. The group could have easily saved Sarah, but they didn't even try.
Did you even see Sarah for one second? She was hopeless, in this world she was never going to cut it. Carlos was absolutely right and that is what Telltale wanted to drive home.
Yeah I don't understand this either and feel like it's a plot hole too. If they didn't want us to be able to save her then they should have made it so she couldn't be convinced to leave and just die no matter what. It also made no sense for her to be out on the deck for no reason, never mind the reaction of other people. I'm surprised no one shot her if they thought they couldn't save her or even shot her after the zombies started to attack her. For more sense, they should have just made her get shot by the Russians in the beginning of episode 5.
But what is very clear about all this is that Telltale really wanted her to die by being eaten to death and I'm not exactly sure why.
It's not even like they made her second death good. It was full of the obvious plot hole that no one even tried to save her except for Jane,… more who needed convincing. Like, why is no one trying to save her, we have guns with ammo and there weren't too many near her. They just wanted a quick excuse to get rid of her because they didn't want a determinant character. They completely threw away all of here potential, and worst of all they did it in a bad way. You can even tell she had potential because by the time the balcony falls she clearly didn't want to die, as she screamed for help.
She does add something actually (unless you meant as someone alive). Her death kind of shows that those who aren't meant for the world die, or won't be of much use. It comes back to what Carlos said, then there's also what Jane said. It's been a running theme of The Walking Dead really, when it comes to the strong surviving and the weak perishing.
I'm guessing what happened at the end of episode 4 will make Clementine think about things anyway and whether or not she's better on her own or not.
Because she literally had no use to the story, she didn't give anything, I mean keeping someone like her around in the story? The foundation they laid out for her character was already destined to break, so yep
Um? Because people were born with totally different minds, brought up in a totally different environment? Everyone is different, and you shouldn't punish somebody for not being as capable as the other.
Did you even see Sarah for one second? She was hopeless, in this world she was never going to cut it. Carlos was absolutely right and that is what Telltale wanted to drive home.
Um? Because people were born with totally different minds, brought up in a totally different environment? Everyone is different, and you shouldn't punish somebody for not being as capable as the other.
If you're willing to fully type-out words like "masterpiece" and "metaphor", there really is no excuse for the childish use of "u" and "ur".
Seriously, why?
She was a character who divided opinion,a major character who was in 4 episodes,who's death was done because either Telltale didn't know how to write her or wanted her death to force the message of 'unsavables' or they didnt want to distinguish whether she was sheltered,austic,or just a weird teenager like most are,so they done neither and killed her off.very very lame....
Because she literally had no use to the story, she didn't give anything, I mean keeping someone like her around in the story? The foundation they laid out for her character was already destined to break, so yep
I'll quote what I posted in another thread after I thought about it a bit more:
Maybe Sarah is a metaphor for Clem's innocence and life as a normal girl. When Clem first meets her, we see she's just a ordinary girl for her age, reading books, making pinky promises, wanting to be friends and take silly pictures together. But this kind of life can no longer exist in the zombie apocalypse, so that's why Sarah not only has to die, but has to die by the zombies themselves. I always thought it was strange no one tries to shoot Sarah for mercy and both cases she dies similarly but maybe that's the point. She's the innocence that got eaten and taken away by the zombies. You can try to hold onto Sarah as long as you can, but inevitably she will die just as Clem's innocence does. She can't be a little girl anymore.
I'm so mad at Telltale. I never expected Sarah to be a badass survivor like the way Clementine is but I just wanted her to survive and in her last moments that's what she truly wanted too. In the first episode I liked her immediately because she was the only one who treated Clementine like a human in the group (along with Pete) Not only that, she even went far to say that she wants Clementine to be her bestfriend. I don't know what you think about this but in this world, people you have to hold on are the ones who love you, not the ones you love because usually they dont love you back. Because of this Sarah was really worthy to me. "She had mental problems"WHO FUCKING CARES!? That girl had a huge heart...
Man if you want to complain about spoilers talk about the person's user name "OmidShouldHaveLived" that's a million times more of a spoiler than the title to the thread. The game's about a zombie apocalypse people are going to die and there's more than one girl in this series. As long as the thread has an overall spoiler, it's not that big of a deal. Or you could just report the person instead of complaining in here if you really wanted to do something about it.
I'll quote what I posted in another thread after I thought about it a bit more:
Maybe Sarah is a metaphor for Clem's innocence and life a… mores a normal girl. When Clem first meets her, we see she's just a ordinary girl for her age, reading books, making pinky promises, wanting to be friends and take silly pictures together. But this kind of life can no longer exist in the zombie apocalypse, so that's why Sarah not only has to die, but has to die by the zombies themselves. I always thought it was strange no one tries to shoot Sarah for mercy and both cases she dies similarly but maybe that's the point. She's the innocence that got eaten and taken away by the zombies. You can try to hold onto Sarah as long as you can, but inevitably she will die just as Clem's innocence does. She can't be a little girl anymore.
I agree with that statement, but that doesn't mean their deaths have to be meaningless and arbitrary. Why did we teach her how to shoot, why did we befriend her, if she was just going to be randomly killed off, with a lot of untapped potential left over? If Ben had died in a forgettable way at the beginning of S1E5, not having stood up to Kenny, people would have rioted.
Firstly, people should stay away from the forum if they haven't played ep4, or any new episode, because you'll be spoiled one way or another. Secondly, there were far more spoiler-y titles (I'm pretty sure one said something like "Nick died") so I don't get why you feel like coming here, of all places, to bitch about this.
Finally, there's Rebecca, Sarah, Sarita, Jane and Bonnie (5 women, without counting Clementine, vs 3 men, if you don't count Nick for his determinant status). Everyone expects Rebecca and Sarita to die and Sarah's in a pretty shitty situation at the end of episode 3. All of them are in constant mortal danger and every episode has featured at least one character's death (all men until now). Can you explain to me why the hell would anyone not expect a woman to die or be shocked that a female character would kick the bucket this time? Seriously, this could be about Sarita or even a character introduced this episode, for all they know.
Report me over THIS? Are you kidding me? This guy's just being an asshole, and you're giving him ideas! And about my username, if you didn't even play ep1, why on earth would you come here and not expect to get spoiled? Everything here would be a spoiler to you!
Man if you want to complain about spoilers talk about the person's user name "OmidShouldHaveLived" that's a million times more of a spoiler … morethan the title to the thread. The game's about a zombie apocalypse people are going to die and there's more than one girl in this series. As long as the thread has an overall spoiler, it's not that big of a deal. Or you could just report the person instead of complaining in here if you really wanted to do something about it.
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and can you explain me why
I think it was Telltale's way of saying you can't save everyone, maybe foreshadowing something in the future, which I honestly think just means Clem will be alone in the end no matter what. Or that Clem can't be like she was in season 1 and needs to grow up now, otherwise she'll die. I originally thought the statue foreshadowed Sarah's fate, and honestly the quote on it (fallen, but not forsaken) does fit since if you do save her, she falls to her death, but in the end you know you didn't abandon her... but meh, I'm probably just thinking into that one too much.
It had one when I made it :S
Sarah's death was the biggest tragedy Not because it was sad (because it was) but because her potential was so immense for her own development AND clem.
An Equal to Clementine? Someone who can grow to be capable even if she WONT be a zombie slayer, she can maybe become like her dad?
Someone to be optimism and to show Clem that there's still happiness in other people?
Someone who grows to be more confident despite her weakness?
When do we EVER get two female friends who support each other in danger and devastation? Clementine had a friend in Duck and Ben but we never saw it through Lee's eyes. but we COULD have saw a friendship blossom for clem. Show her she still has someone special to lose and to protect for as long as possible. Someone to be responsible for. or to grow responsible together.
Telltale im so disappointed.
But Sarah didn't Lose the will to live when the balcony fell.
She was begging for her life and begging for clementine. once you save her from the trailer park she is devastated but is screaming for help and didn't get it. She didn't even have the oppurtunity to use a gun to protect herself which TT tried to hint at before but failed at.
you're wrong about that.
I feel it's one of those, not everything will work out the way you want it to, situations. I'm sure most people wanted to see Sarah's character develop to new levels. It just didn't work out that way. A bold move by Telltale. One I enjoyed (in a very sad manner....)
Idk, I was disappointed that she died. I even taught her how to shoot in episode 2, hoping that would help her. Would have been interesting to see that come into play sometime. Oh well...
Sarah died by falling into a gigantic plot hole.
Seriously, no one jumps down to help Jane save her, no one shoots the walkers eating her, no one even thinks to shoot her so she doesn't have to suffer. I mean, why the hell was Sarah even out on the balcony anyways, rather than stay back with Rebecca? Out of character much?
Oh yeahhhh Didn't they tell Sarah to stay back inside? and she was like huddled inside by some crates or something? Why was she outside to begin with?
I really don't see the possible character development that some people see. She was gone. She was not helpful. Of course when she's meeting the end she gets animated.
It's not even like they made her second death good. It was full of the obvious plot hole that no one even tried to save her except for Jane, who needed convincing. Like, why is no one trying to save her, we have guns with ammo and there weren't too many near her. They just wanted a quick excuse to get rid of her because they didn't want a determinant character. They completely threw away all of here potential, and worst of all they did it in a bad way. You can even tell she had potential because by the time the balcony falls she clearly didn't want to die, as she screamed for help.
Luke: Leave 'em alone! Those are the orders from Telltale.
i also think Omid's death was a cheap shock
RIP Bromid
It was, but at least it made sense. I mean, there was the whole "Why didn't Clem grab the gun" thing, but you can chalk that up to a simple accident gone horribly wrong. The group could have easily saved Sarah, but they didn't even try.
I can just imagine Luke holding a walkie talkie to his ear talking to Telltale XD.
It really wasnt an accident
Why should clem take a gun to get a water bottle when she already checked all the Stalzzzzz
Yup, Jane did move it up, but Sarah in the panic attack didn't manage to react.
It was all Carlos's fault and after him being a complete retard in multiple parts of the game, I can't see how can anyone defend him.
Did you even see Sarah for one second? She was hopeless, in this world she was never going to cut it. Carlos was absolutely right and that is what Telltale wanted to drive home.
Yeah I don't understand this either and feel like it's a plot hole too. If they didn't want us to be able to save her then they should have made it so she couldn't be convinced to leave and just die no matter what. It also made no sense for her to be out on the deck for no reason, never mind the reaction of other people. I'm surprised no one shot her if they thought they couldn't save her or even shot her after the zombies started to attack her. For more sense, they should have just made her get shot by the Russians in the beginning of episode 5.
But what is very clear about all this is that Telltale really wanted her to die by being eaten to death and I'm not exactly sure why.
She does add something actually (unless you meant as someone alive). Her death kind of shows that those who aren't meant for the world die, or won't be of much use. It comes back to what Carlos said, then there's also what Jane said. It's been a running theme of The Walking Dead really, when it comes to the strong surviving and the weak perishing.
I'm guessing what happened at the end of episode 4 will make Clementine think about things anyway and whether or not she's better on her own or not.
Um? Because people were born with totally different minds, brought up in a totally different environment? Everyone is different, and you shouldn't punish somebody for not being as capable as the other.
Except that this isn't how human beings work.
At least she won't suffer and she will be with her dad again...right?
I do believe that people have different mental stabilitis but still she could at least try to live, even for the sake of her father
Don't be that guy
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She was a character who divided opinion,a major character who was in 4 episodes,who's death was done because either Telltale didn't know how to write her or wanted her death to force the message of 'unsavables' or they didnt want to distinguish whether she was sheltered,austic,or just a weird teenager like most are,so they done neither and killed her off.very very lame....
What the hell are you talking about?
I'll quote what I posted in another thread after I thought about it a bit more:
Maybe Sarah is a metaphor for Clem's innocence and life as a normal girl. When Clem first meets her, we see she's just a ordinary girl for her age, reading books, making pinky promises, wanting to be friends and take silly pictures together. But this kind of life can no longer exist in the zombie apocalypse, so that's why Sarah not only has to die, but has to die by the zombies themselves. I always thought it was strange no one tries to shoot Sarah for mercy and both cases she dies similarly but maybe that's the point. She's the innocence that got eaten and taken away by the zombies. You can try to hold onto Sarah as long as you can, but inevitably she will die just as Clem's innocence does. She can't be a little girl anymore.
Of course you dont understand, you are selfish, you are fitting in exactly with what I just described.
I'm so mad at Telltale. I never expected Sarah to be a badass survivor like the way Clementine is but I just wanted her to survive and in her last moments that's what she truly wanted too. In the first episode I liked her immediately because she was the only one who treated Clementine like a human in the group (along with Pete) Not only that, she even went far to say that she wants Clementine to be her bestfriend. I don't know what you think about this but in this world, people you have to hold on are the ones who love you, not the ones you love because usually they dont love you back. Because of this Sarah was really worthy to me. "She had mental problems" WHO FUCKING CARES!? That girl had a huge heart...
Man if you want to complain about spoilers talk about the person's user name "OmidShouldHaveLived" that's a million times more of a spoiler than the title to the thread. The game's about a zombie apocalypse people are going to die and there's more than one girl in this series. As long as the thread has an overall spoiler, it's not that big of a deal. Or you could just report the person instead of complaining in here if you really wanted to do something about it.
it was cheap,forced,and a pathetic death for a popular character.
I agree with that statement, but that doesn't mean their deaths have to be meaningless and arbitrary. Why did we teach her how to shoot, why did we befriend her, if she was just going to be randomly killed off, with a lot of untapped potential left over? If Ben had died in a forgettable way at the beginning of S1E5, not having stood up to Kenny, people would have rioted.
Firstly, people should stay away from the forum if they haven't played ep4, or any new episode, because you'll be spoiled one way or another. Secondly, there were far more spoiler-y titles (I'm pretty sure one said something like "Nick died") so I don't get why you feel like coming here, of all places, to bitch about this.
Finally, there's Rebecca, Sarah, Sarita, Jane and Bonnie (5 women, without counting Clementine, vs 3 men, if you don't count Nick for his determinant status). Everyone expects Rebecca and Sarita to die and Sarah's in a pretty shitty situation at the end of episode 3. All of them are in constant mortal danger and every episode has featured at least one character's death (all men until now). Can you explain to me why the hell would anyone not expect a woman to die or be shocked that a female character would kick the bucket this time? Seriously, this could be about Sarita or even a character introduced this episode, for all they know.
Not saying the second death was well executed, just trying to look for the metaphor like the OP asked.
Report me over THIS? Are you kidding me? This guy's just being an asshole, and you're giving him ideas! And about my username, if you didn't even play ep1, why on earth would you come here and not expect to get spoiled? Everything here would be a spoiler to you!
what if there is no metaphor,there is no meaning behind it?...but if you believe Telltale there is....people who are seen as weak..die