I've said this before in previous threads, but I think it's to draw a parallel back to what Chuck said to Lee in episode 4(or was it 3?)of season 1. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was along the lines of "if you keep treating her like a child she'll be dead regardless of how much you protect her" and "there are no kids left anymore, only people trying to survive". Sarah could've been Clem if Lee hadn't realized the truth and started preparing her. I also think they were drawing parallels with two little girls from the tv show, who refused to change their sweet nature and ended up being killed. The statement Jane makes about Sarah "not being made for this world", is also made by Carol about Mika and Sophia.
I decided to save Sarah but the moment I saw the choice to help her or leave her I realized that she was going to end up dying later. But I expected it to be in episode 5, I thought that she would have an important role to play in the story before the end, so you can imagine how surprised I was when she died minutes later after I first saved her. Her character still had so much potential and her friendship with Clem could have evolved and they could have talked together more.
I dunno, i find it a shame that we cannot prevent it. Kinda makes her irrelevant.
Sarah could have been a great character in s3. Growing up without Carlos to do everything for her... Would have been fun to have Clem teach her some stuff... Ah well...
No. Are you denying that if luke had forewarned the group about the incoming zombies, they wouldn't have been in such a panicked situation leading to her death? I don't blame luke, I'm just stating a fact.
She TRIES to move once jane lifts the wreckage (it definitely looks like she's pushing) and she says "I can't. Help me please somebody". Jane didn't (couldn't, it was heavy) lift it enough and she was still trapped, from what I can see in the scene.
Yup, Jane did move it up, but Sarah in the panic attack didn't manage to react.
It was all Carlos's fault and after him being a complete retard in multiple parts of the game, I can't see how can anyone defend him.
Fuck you. At least Luke was doing something useful, nobody else but Mike and Bonnie was doing shit.
Sarah is a fucking retard who couldn't help the group in any ways.
Rebbeca was giving birth,
Kenny wasn't even doing anything to help her while in labor, only telling her to breathe, what the fuck? everyone knows how to breathe.
Jane was "helping" the group by spending 2 hours trying to open a goddamn door ( and didn't even care to find a way to fortify their new spot)
And you tell me this is Luke's fault?
please
No. Are you denying that if luke had forewarned the group about the incoming zombies, they wouldn't have been in such a panicked situation leading to her death? I don't blame luke, I'm just stating a fact.
I don't believe I told you it was luke's fault. And by "something useful" I assume you mean Jane? ;3
The fact is, he did something "wrong" (in as far as he was not adequately performing his assigned job) that directly led to her death and it was the last obvious thing like that which is why I said it as an example. Life is not black and white "his fault her fault", there are lots of causes and effects from every action. In this case, the most immediate point at which the course of things could have been significantly altered by performing the right action rests with luke as far as I can remember. Although there were certainly points before that that could have changed things and there are questionable actions that came after, just not any that I seriously think would have changed what happened.
I don't blame him any more than I blame carver or jane and maybe even kenny. It's just a fact that one thing led to another led to another. Things happen as a result of other things.
Fuck you. At least Luke was doing something useful, nobody else but Mike and Bonnie was doing shit.
Sarah is a fucking retard who couldn't… more help the group in any ways.
Rebbeca was giving birth,
Kenny wasn't even doing anything to help her while in labor, only telling her to breathe, what the fuck? everyone knows how to breathe.
Jane was "helping" the group by spending 2 hours trying to open a goddamn door ( and didn't even care to find a way to fortify their new spot)
And you tell me this is Luke's fault?
please
Yes, because if Luke saw the walkers, he could go full rambo and kill all of them, so there would be no walkers to attack the deck, consequently not leading to its destruction (and Sarah's death).
If we can blame him for that, then we can also blame Kenny for spending hours killing ONE walker while he could try to draw the other walkers' attention or do some useful shit, avoiding the deck's destruction.
I don't believe I told you it was luke's fault. And by "something useful" I assume you mean Jane? ;3
The fact is, he did something "wrong… more" (in as far as he was not adequately performing his assigned job) that directly led to her death and it was the last obvious thing like that which is why I said it as an example. Life is not black and white "his fault her fault", there are lots of causes and effects from every action. In this case, the most immediate point at which the course of things could have been significantly altered by performing the right action rests with luke as far as I can remember. Although there were certainly points before that that could have changed things and there are questionable actions that came after, just not any that I seriously think would have changed what happened.
I don't blame him any more than I blame carver or jane and maybe even kenny. It's just a fact that one thing led to another led to another. Things happen as a result of other things.
No, but it wouldn't have been a panic like it was, leading to the destruction of the deck.
And sure, you could (although I'm not sure what you're suggesting was the "correct" action in that case). If you want to read my post as "due to kenny being retarded" then do so, you'll note it's completely tangential to the point I was making and doesn't change it at all. I don't really care who's "fault" it was and I'm not "blaming" anyone.
Yes, because if Luke saw the walkers, he could go full rambo and kill all of them, so there would be no walkers to attack the deck, conseque… morently not leading to its destruction (and Sarah's death).
If we can blame him for that, then we can also blame Kenny for spending hours killing ONE walker while he could try to draw the other walkers' attention or do some useful shit, avoiding the deck's destruction.
No, but it wouldn't have been a panic like it was, leading to the destruction of the deck.
And sure, you could (although I'm not sure what you're suggesting was the "correct" action in that case). If you want to read my post as "due to kenny being retarded" then do so, you'll note it's completely tangential to the point I was making and doesn't change it at all. I don't really care who's "fault" it was and I'm not "blaming" anyone.
Yes, because if Luke saw the walkers, he could go full rambo and kill all of them, so there would be no walkers to attack the deck, conseque… morently not leading to its destruction (and Sarah's death).
If we can blame him for that, then we can also blame Kenny for spending hours killing ONE walker while he could try to draw the other walkers' attention or do some useful shit, avoiding the deck's destruction.
No, but it wouldn't have been a panic like it was, leading to the destruction of the deck.
And sure, you could (although I'm not sure wha… moret you're suggesting was the "correct" action in that case). If you want to read my post as "due to kenny being retarded" then do so, you'll note it's completely tangential to the point I was making and doesn't change it at all. I don't really care who's "fault" it was and I'm not "blaming" anyone.
No, but it wouldn't have been a panic like it was, leading to the destruction of the deck.
And sure, you could (although I'm not sure wha… moret you're suggesting was the "correct" action in that case). If you want to read my post as "due to kenny being retarded" then do so, you'll note it's completely tangential to the point I was making and doesn't change it at all. I don't really care who's "fault" it was and I'm not "blaming" anyone.
People say she has potential but provide no evidence from what was show in-game. It's always maybe this and maybe that. it's fun to pretend we would know Sarah better than her father but in the end her character ended as it was established and our theories are completely baseless.
you know what guys I at first thought that Sarah wouldn't be a BADASS but we too GOT the same feeling for Clem but look at Clem now 100% badass ( but still has feelings ), This could happen to Sarah , but unluckily TellTale just wanna clear the way DAMNNN
Realism. Reality doesn't always wait until someone's lived a fulfilling life for them to die. I'd think it'd be silly to have her avoid tragedy for so long while in that state, just so she could mature a little more before she died.
No, she wasn't like Clem. Clem was strong even when her parents and guardian had died. She kept going strong unlike Sarah who, after her dad's death, proceeded to scream her lungs out, run like a maniac, go into fetal position and, even after Clem sqaving her, be in complete denial over him dying. Like Carlos had said, she ceased to function
you know what guys I at first thought that Sarah wouldn't be a BADASS but we too GOT the same feeling for Clem but look at Clem now 100% bad… moreass ( but still has feelings ), This could happen to Sarah , but unluckily TellTale just wanna clear the way DAMNNN
Funny. That's exactly what I wanted to see... For Sarah to show that she had potential, and that it had been wasted all along. Even if she dies 10 minutes after she proved her worth, Carlos was proven wrong and Chuck was proven right (which is pretty much why I think they killed her when they did). Regardless of whether or not it would be realistic, I think it would've been awesome.
Realism. Reality doesn't always wait until someone's lived a fulfilling life for them to die. I'd think it'd be silly to have her avoid tragedy for so long while in that state, just so she could mature a little more before she died.
It's seriously funny how defensive some of these Luke fans are, they can't comprehend that their character they praise as a "God" did something wrong, reguardless of the facts shown they'll never learn that they can be wrong.
No, but it wouldn't have been a panic like it was, leading to the destruction of the deck.
And sure, you could (although I'm not sure wha… moret you're suggesting was the "correct" action in that case). If you want to read my post as "due to kenny being retarded" then do so, you'll note it's completely tangential to the point I was making and doesn't change it at all. I don't really care who's "fault" it was and I'm not "blaming" anyone.
Clem spent months being exposed to all kinds of horrors, and to be honest her being able to pull a full-grown man through a horde is in no way believable.
Any reasonable human being would scream and panic if their only loved one was eaten alive inches away from them. Don't pretend that you're a robot.
No, she wasn't like Clem. Clem was strong even when her parents and guardian had died. She kept going strong unlike Sarah who, after her da… mored's death, proceeded to scream her lungs out, run like a maniac, go into fetal position and, even after Clem sqaving her, be in complete denial over him dying. Like Carlos had said, she ceased to function
I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that, considering how Sarah was afterwards, I highly doubt she would have wound up becomng a survivor like Clementine.
Clem spent months being exposed to all kinds of horrors, and to be honest her being able to pull a full-grown man through a horde is in no w… moreay believable.
Any reasonable human being would scream and panic if their only loved one was eaten alive inches away from them. Don't pretend that you're a robot.
I could see her being the female equivalent to Nick - not the most emotionally and mentally stable of survivors, but still a reliable friend. There was a thread months back that compared the death of Carlos (being shot through the neck) to Nick's loss of innocence, which started by seeing his uncle shoot a deer in the neck and culminated in him shooting Matthew in the neck. One thing that I'd add, however, is that Nick's depressed attitude came about because Pete, regardless of his 'good' intentions, forced him into a role that a sensitive man like him never felt capable of fitting.
Both Nick and Sarah could have had a chance to become better survivors if their teaching was balanced with nurturing. Lee represents the ideal, while Carlos and Carver represent two extreme ends of the child-raising spectrum.
I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that, considering how Sarah was afterwards, I highly doubt she would have wound up becomng a survivor like Clementine.
That that's the entire point of the video and yet your "Their (sic) is no more choice in s1 then (sic) 2" comment (in combination with you having quoted me) makes it look like you're trying to disagree with my post. The point is that there isn't more choice in 1 than 2 but they did a decent job of making it feel like there was choice, in the moment of playing. In 2 it seems to be more noticeable that you have no choice and like the video says, that is annoying.
I still have to disagree with realism being a proper defense for it. Having a character suddenly die for no reason and without any satisfying closure might be realistic, but that doesn't make it better storytelling.
Looking past that, I thought that the actual scenario of her death was arbitrary; only made unavoidable to tie up loose plot threads.
Realism. Reality doesn't always wait until someone's lived a fulfilling life for them to die. I'd think it'd be silly to have her avoid tragedy for so long while in that state, just so she could mature a little more before she died.
I don't have many issues with Sarah dying because it was pretty much inevitable, the group now was in no shape to start teaching her, her fa… morether should have done it from the start.
Nick's death was still bullshit, though. He was all depressed in EP2, then we give him a reason to live "The cabin people are still your family", and he just dies the most stupid death ever. Ugh, Telltale.
"What's the point anyway. We'll just march to a new place and more people will die. Eventually, it'll be our turn."
If the story was realistic then Clementine would stay dead after you fail a QTE. And nearly everybody would die randomly, if not everyone. Also, zombies wouldn't exist.
The point is yes realism makes the Walking Dead a great story, but only to a point. Because a story has themes and plot points and characters, and they all must be cohesive, which does not always result in a realistic story.
Realism. Reality doesn't always wait until someone's lived a fulfilling life for them to die. I'd think it'd be silly to have her avoid tragedy for so long while in that state, just so she could mature a little more before she died.
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Personally, i'm glad she died. She annoyed me.
I've said this before in previous threads, but I think it's to draw a parallel back to what Chuck said to Lee in episode 4(or was it 3?)of season 1. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was along the lines of "if you keep treating her like a child she'll be dead regardless of how much you protect her" and "there are no kids left anymore, only people trying to survive". Sarah could've been Clem if Lee hadn't realized the truth and started preparing her. I also think they were drawing parallels with two little girls from the tv show, who refused to change their sweet nature and ended up being killed. The statement Jane makes about Sarah "not being made for this world", is also made by Carol about Mika and Sophia.
I decided to save Sarah but the moment I saw the choice to help her or leave her I realized that she was going to end up dying later. But I expected it to be in episode 5, I thought that she would have an important role to play in the story before the end, so you can imagine how surprised I was when she died minutes later after I first saved her. Her character still had so much potential and her friendship with Clem could have evolved and they could have talked together more.
I was initially open to the idea of Telltale killing her off eventually but her death came too soon. She needed more character development.
I dunno, i find it a shame that we cannot prevent it. Kinda makes her irrelevant.
Sarah could have been a great character in s3. Growing up without Carlos to do everything for her... Would have been fun to have Clem teach her some stuff... Ah well...
She died because TTG kills all determinant's.
Well how about you watch the video before responding to the post hmm?
No. Are you denying that if luke had forewarned the group about the incoming zombies, they wouldn't have been in such a panicked situation leading to her death? I don't blame luke, I'm just stating a fact.
She TRIES to move once jane lifts the wreckage (it definitely looks like she's pushing) and she says "I can't. Help me please somebody". Jane didn't (couldn't, it was heavy) lift it enough and she was still trapped, from what I can see in the scene.
Fuck you. At least Luke was doing something useful, nobody else but Mike and Bonnie was doing shit.
Sarah is a fucking retard who couldn't help the group in any ways.
Rebbeca was giving birth,
Kenny wasn't even doing anything to help her while in labor, only telling her to breathe, what the fuck? everyone knows how to breathe.
Jane was "helping" the group by spending 2 hours trying to open a goddamn door ( and didn't even care to find a way to fortify their new spot)
And you tell me this is Luke's fault?
please
I don't believe I told you it was luke's fault. And by "something useful" I assume you mean Jane? ;3
The fact is, he did something "wrong" (in as far as he was not adequately performing his assigned job) that directly led to her death and it was the last obvious thing like that which is why I said it as an example. Life is not black and white "his fault her fault", there are lots of causes and effects from every action. In this case, the most immediate point at which the course of things could have been significantly altered by performing the right action rests with luke as far as I can remember. Although there were certainly points before that that could have changed things and there are questionable actions that came after, just not any that I seriously think would have changed what happened.
I don't blame him any more than I blame carver or jane and maybe even kenny. It's just a fact that one thing led to another led to another. Things happen as a result of other things.
Yes, because if Luke saw the walkers, he could go full rambo and kill all of them, so there would be no walkers to attack the deck, consequently not leading to its destruction (and Sarah's death).
If we can blame him for that, then we can also blame Kenny for spending hours killing ONE walker while he could try to draw the other walkers' attention or do some useful shit, avoiding the deck's destruction.
No, but it wouldn't have been a panic like it was, leading to the destruction of the deck.
And sure, you could (although I'm not sure what you're suggesting was the "correct" action in that case). If you want to read my post as "due to kenny being retarded" then do so, you'll note it's completely tangential to the point I was making and doesn't change it at all. I don't really care who's "fault" it was and I'm not "blaming" anyone.
No, but it wouldn't have been a panic like it was, leading to the destruction of the deck.
And sure, you could (although I'm not sure what you're suggesting was the "correct" action in that case). If you want to read my post as "due to kenny being retarded" then do so, you'll note it's completely tangential to the point I was making and doesn't change it at all. I don't really care who's "fault" it was and I'm not "blaming" anyone.
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Nope, I'm just saying everybody blames Luke for Sarah's death and the deck's destruction and it's completly retarded. almost everyone were to blame.
Nope, I'm just saying everybody blames Luke for Sarah's death and the deck's destruction and it's completly retarded. almost everyone were to blame.
People say she has potential but provide no evidence from what was show in-game. It's always maybe this and maybe that. it's fun to pretend we would know Sarah better than her father but in the end her character ended as it was established and our theories are completely baseless.
you know what guys I at first thought that Sarah wouldn't be a BADASS but we too GOT the same feeling for Clem but look at Clem now 100% badass ( but still has feelings ), This could happen to Sarah , but unluckily TellTale just wanna clear the way DAMNNN
Realism. Reality doesn't always wait until someone's lived a fulfilling life for them to die. I'd think it'd be silly to have her avoid tragedy for so long while in that state, just so she could mature a little more before she died.
No, she wasn't like Clem. Clem was strong even when her parents and guardian had died. She kept going strong unlike Sarah who, after her dad's death, proceeded to scream her lungs out, run like a maniac, go into fetal position and, even after Clem sqaving her, be in complete denial over him dying. Like Carlos had said, she ceased to function
Funny. That's exactly what I wanted to see... For Sarah to show that she had potential, and that it had been wasted all along. Even if she dies 10 minutes after she proved her worth, Carlos was proven wrong and Chuck was proven right (which is pretty much why I think they killed her when they did). Regardless of whether or not it would be realistic, I think it would've been awesome.
It's seriously funny how defensive some of these Luke fans are, they can't comprehend that their character they praise as a "God" did something wrong, reguardless of the facts shown they'll never learn that they can be wrong.
Clem spent months being exposed to all kinds of horrors, and to be honest her being able to pull a full-grown man through a horde is in no way believable.
Any reasonable human being would scream and panic if their only loved one was eaten alive inches away from them. Don't pretend that you're a robot.
I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that, considering how Sarah was afterwards, I highly doubt she would have wound up becomng a survivor like Clementine.
I have. Or else i wouldn't of posted. What is you're point?
I could see her being the female equivalent to Nick - not the most emotionally and mentally stable of survivors, but still a reliable friend. There was a thread months back that compared the death of Carlos (being shot through the neck) to Nick's loss of innocence, which started by seeing his uncle shoot a deer in the neck and culminated in him shooting Matthew in the neck. One thing that I'd add, however, is that Nick's depressed attitude came about because Pete, regardless of his 'good' intentions, forced him into a role that a sensitive man like him never felt capable of fitting.
Both Nick and Sarah could have had a chance to become better survivors if their teaching was balanced with nurturing. Lee represents the ideal, while Carlos and Carver represent two extreme ends of the child-raising spectrum.
That that's the entire point of the video and yet your "Their (sic) is no more choice in s1 then (sic) 2" comment (in combination with you having quoted me) makes it look like you're trying to disagree with my post. The point is that there isn't more choice in 1 than 2 but they did a decent job of making it feel like there was choice, in the moment of playing. In 2 it seems to be more noticeable that you have no choice and like the video says, that is annoying.
I still have to disagree with realism being a proper defense for it. Having a character suddenly die for no reason and without any satisfying closure might be realistic, but that doesn't make it better storytelling.
Looking past that, I thought that the actual scenario of her death was arbitrary; only made unavoidable to tie up loose plot threads.
Add Nick's BS death with Sarah's and Sarita's and you see a pattern. Not only do our choices not matter, but they don't even appear to matter.
If the story was realistic then Clementine would stay dead after you fail a QTE. And nearly everybody would die randomly, if not everyone. Also, zombies wouldn't exist.
The point is yes realism makes the Walking Dead a great story, but only to a point. Because a story has themes and plot points and characters, and they all must be cohesive, which does not always result in a realistic story.