To the Kenny apologists.
Here I have compiled a list of things Kenny has done throughout S1 and S2 and I want people to explain the reason why they wanted to stay with Kenny at the end after reading this:
He completely abandons Shawn to rescue only Duck and as a result contributes to his death
He crushes a mans skull with a salt lick whilst his daughter was in the middle of performing CPR.
He has zero compassion for anyone else in the Macon group besides from his family during the time at the motor inn.
In the beginning of episode Three of Season One he decides to pretty much let Lee die by not helping him whilst being squashed by the door with the walkers on top of it.
When being attacked by the bandits in episode Three he says "Screw her, let her stay!" when referring to Lily, wanting to abandon her and drive off in the RV. This is BEFORE she shoots Doug/Carley
He ignores Duck's bite, putting the entire group at risk whilst on the train.
He votes to abandon Ben at Crawford because he thinks Ben is a hindrance to the group despite Kenny himself being more of a danger than Ben.
He then indicates to Lee he should drop Ben to his bloody death atop of the Bell Tower.
He chooses to NOT help rescue Clementine when she is kidnapped if you disagree with Kenny in the previous episodes.
He goes in all guns blazing in a hostage situation in S2 Ep 2, resulting in the death of Alvin and then decides to surrender because they threaten to shoot Sarita, so he's totally fine with not backing down when Alvin has a gun to his head but when it's one of his own he decides enough is enough..
He asks Clemetine to snoop around to find an escape in Howe's Hardware, which could antagonise Troy or Carver and punish the entire group.
He fights with Mike, pinning him against the window and knocking down the wooden barriers, resulting in Walkers breaking in and nearly killing Clementine.
He blames Clemetine for killing Sarita, despite the fact he had no remorse in killing Larry in a heartbeat with a similar situation.
He constantly beats on Arvo, eventually resulting in elbowing Clementine in the face.
He constantly argues with the group, especially Luke, who I found the most level-headed person in S2, creating unecessary friction and animosity.
He straight up murders Jane in front of Clementine with a knife through her chest..
Now maybe you can rebuttal a few of these points but the fact I can make a list this long justifiies Kenny is insane and only cares about him and anyone he consideres family.
So when people chose to stay with Kenny at the end of S2 because "He treated me like family" or "He's been with Clem from the beginning" is being totally blind to the fact that Kenny will irrationally screw over anyone besides from his family and just because Kenny put Clem in that group that's ok? The man was totally morally corrupt and I don't know how anyone can choose to stay with Kenny. The man was hypocritical, unstable, irrational, argumentative and many more.
In my mind I thought Kenny would just directly or indirectly cause more death to any group he stumbled upon with Clementine. Screw that, i'm not letting my Clem grow up to be influenced by someone like that. I fancy her chances alone or with Jane, just nowhere near Kenny.
Comments
...This again? Can't we just let this die already?
Kenny has made a lot of mistakes, but he never manipulated Clementine into killing anyone like Jane did if you choose to save her. Despite all of Kenny's flaws there was a good man deep within him, we just barely got to see it with all the sh*t going down around him.
Every point you made was just blunt and to the point. There was a culmination of events and player choices that lead up to every moment you wrote...so of course they look bad at face value, but I can counter every single one (as can many), but simply cannot be bothered. This topic has been discussed over and over, then over and over again.
In the end, it's all opinion and how we interpret our play-throughs. The whole point of a choice game is everyone gets a different view on characters as the game story progresses and finishes. Your last two paragraphs are proof of your ignorance, you can have these views, but ignoring how others interpreted the game just because of your own is wrong.
I don't mind, it's not like there is a bunch of activity going on, in this community. :P
Seriously can we stop this. People like Kenny and people like Jane and people hate both. You're not going to change anyone's mind. I hate Jane and love Kenny but I don't care what other people do with their play through that's what makes this game so special. Just drop it.
Couldn't have said better myself.
I never liked Kenny because he seemed selfish to me because he never cared about anyone but himself.... especially when he didn't help Lee I was so mad :P but that's my opinion.
I swear to god, the discussion of Kenny on this forum is like one step forward, one gigantic fall back down to the bottom of the goddamn stairs
whenever you think things might improve, it somehow manages to get worse all over again
this calls for breaking out this picture again:
He panicked and felt shit about it for a long time after
While I think Kenny was in the wrong in salting Larry, if Larry turned in the room all would have died.
He has compassion for Lee and Clem too. Lilly didn't care about anyone except Larry and Lee.
Not in my playthrough where he was my best friend.
Lilly would have done the same, and Jane left her own sister to die. People do shitty things in TWDG
Duck is his son! He was in denial. Omg...
Kenny is NOT more of a danger than Ben, lol you can't be serious haha
Ben was the cause of Kenny's familys death, while it's not right, you should understand why.
But thats your playthrough, he came with me in mine.
Can't defend him in this one. He did a mistake.
Trying to find an escape plan was good.
He couldnt know the window was gonna break. You can't blame him for this
I agree with this, he can't blame Clem for it.
He didnt elbow Clementine in my playthrough, can you stop saying stuff that is determinant.
Yep Luke was cool and Kenny shouldnt have done it
Here we go again...
OMG, stop forcing people hate him. Someone close this, quickly
In before the lock.
Almost all of the things you mentioned were determinant or the cause of previous determinant choices. so what if people like him? Why does it matter to you how we play out game? It's everyone's choice. Hate Kenny I don't care it's your choice just like it's my choice to like Kenny.
Then let me tell you about Jane:
I'm not saying you should stay with Kenny, I want to prove you Jane is dangerous as well.
I think I understand the premise of "your decisions affect the game". I've not come to force my opinion down anyones throat, the WD forum isn't exactly thriving and I thought it'd be a good opportunity to get other peoples opinions on Kenny's decisions so I culminated all actions I thought Kenny was wrong to do and showcase them so people can have discussions about what they did or didn't like about Kenny doing.
When did I ever ignore other peoples interpretations on the game? I am simply express my point of view across and post this as a platform for people to discuss how they interpreted those decisions, what's wrong with that?
So instead of trying to sound all high and mighty calling me ignorant do you want to "counter" these points or just moan and complain about another Kenny thread? Because you know you don't actually have to read or reply to this thread..
Do you think I care if you hate Kenny? I hate Jane and it's my opinion.
Determinant or not, Kenny still has the capability to do these things if the correct buttons are pushed, which is still bad enough..
Anyway, people are getting way too salty about this, I just wanted a fun discussion about how I believe Kenny is morally corrupt and wanted to see everyone elses input.
Instead I get people complaining, so sorry for wanting to have a chat about a game I love. Didn't know people were going to get so defensive.
Everyone has opinions. Nobody should tell anyone to have the same opinions
Really? You're complaining he saved his son?
Although I do want to mention the reason Kenny wanted to leave Ben was because Ben was helping the bandits which lead to Katja and Duck dying, not because he slowed them down.
I don't see why we shouldn't talk about determinant stuff, Kenny as a character is not everything he says in one game, but is capable of saying as a whole.
Yes, okay this has been discussed to death
Can people please show me where I said people should have the same opinion as me or when I said I want to force my opinions on people?
I clearly asked people to explain why they went with Kenny in the S2 ending, that's all..
People clearly got too defensive and instead would rather complain than to actually have a discussion about my original post. I'm just trying to have a fun discussion about a polarizing character guys..
I just felt that some people's nostalgia set in and sided with Kenny just because he's one of the original group where if you actually look back at all of his decisions he's a morally corrupt person. Is that fair?
90% of people have just said that they are sick of discussing this topic. Kenny's fan base is tired of hate threads towards him. It's almost as annoying when people praised him constantly
He panicked and felt shit about it for a long time after - And so he should be
While I think Kenny was in the wrong in salting Larry, if Larry turned in the room all would have died. - That is a point to put across but it's just in the way that it happened. Imagine performing CPR on your dieing dad, only to see his face cave in by a salt lick.. Ouch!
He has compassion for Lee and Clem too. Lilly didn't care about anyone except Larry and Lee. - He does, partly. Although I always thought before her breakdown she played it down the middle and was fair to everyone, not just her own family.
Not in my playthrough where he was my best friend. - Again, he has the capability to do so if the correct buttons are pushed.
Lilly would have done the same, and Jane left her own sister to die. People do shitty things in TWDG -** Yeah they do but it doesn't take away the fact that saying that was cold and just because other people do bad things it doesn't give Kenny a free pass either.**
Duck is his son! He was in denial. Omg... - Yes he was, unable to read the situation when his family is involved.. Another reason why he's unstable, although morally it's excusable because it's his son and all.
Kenny is NOT more of a danger than Ben, lol you can't be serious haha - Dead serious. Ben never had the capability to murder.
Ben was the cause of Kenny's familys death, while it's not right, you should understand why. - Yes to leave someone to die because of it? Bit too much i'd say.
But thats your playthrough, he came with me in mine. - Again, he can do this.. In my playthrough I was nice to the guy but he still didn't go.
Can't defend him in this one. He did a mistake. - **Yeah, that one annoyed me especially. **
Trying to find an escape plan was good. - Yeah fair enough, I can see the reasoning behind it. Although it could have ended badly for the whole group
He couldnt know the window was gonna break. You can't blame him for this - Unecessary conflict as I said again, it's dangerous. I certainly blame him.
I agree with this, he can't blame Clem for it. - He also swears at her.. Lee would not approve.
He didnt elbow Clementine in my playthrough, can you stop saying stuff that is determinant. - He can do though..
Yep Luke was cool and Kenny shouldnt have done it - Team Luke
To be fair, if you went out to look for Kenny and tell him to surrender, he will listen to you, which saves Alvin (for the time being). And to continue, if you didn't go looking for Kenny and try to protect Alvin, causing Carver to put the gun to your head, he will also surrender no matter what to protect you.
This 'fun discussion' has been going on for years. Can't blame people for being sick of it.
To be fair, Jane never planned to get pinned down against the snow and and die.
But who brought up Jane though? This discussion is about Kenny.
Determinant matters. Lee could kill Jolene, both St.johns, Larry, Ben, the stranger, leave the girl in the street to die. So does that make him a bad guy even if you choose not to kill any of them? Lee had the capability of murdering all of them so that should make him a bad guy by your logic regardless of the choices you make.
What do you think about Lee?because he had plenty of determinant choices to be a complete dick and murder 7 people. So What does that say about his character as a whole? Lee is a serial killer and an asshole then. Just because hes capable doesn't mean hes a bad guy same with Kenny. Its all determinant on peoples choices.
You cant force people to do anything.
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I hate this tit for tat. "Well, let me tell you what so-and-so did wrong."
This threads are going too far, ok?
If people still say Kenny is dangerous, then I'll fight back
"Kenny apologists".