If you don’t want spoilers for how the emperor story line plays out
You face the emperor like half way through the game but he beats you and 3 other of the best Jedi in the galaxy and turns you all to the dark side, then you return at the very end of the game to fight him one last time, and get the determinant choice (that I personally chose) to collapse his entire temple on top of him. Also the only companion you have with you at the time is your astromech droid so if this were in one of the movies I doubt that no matter how badass T7 is, he wouldn’t be able to touch the emperor so it is virtually 1v1.
I’m not sure how the hero got so good but that’s what makes it even better. If Luke can defeat one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy with just a year’s worth of training, then I’m sure that the hero can beat possibly the most powerful emperor in the Star Wars universe as a whole with a life time’s worth of training
Well i played Swtor recently, and i don't know the hero of tython / outlander had the emperor with him otherwise he gets his ass kicked real… morely easily and that's just bullshit,you're technically just a Jedi nothing more Revan couldn't beat him with the Exile why a simple Jedi could ? that would make more sense if we would have seen Revan help the outlander at the end of the last expansion.Also i'm pretty sure,the real canon story is the Jedi knight,you're talking about the Jedi consular.
So,yeah this is just Legends i think there's others characters way powerful in Legends.
Yeah,but the hero of tython is still not good,the emperor was weak when you face him at the end,i remember how powerful he was in the Revan book that's just dumb to me.At least it's better in the expansions but there's still some major plot holes they never answered.The exile was really powerful,Revan was powerful.But the hero of tython ? Meh.
If you don’t want spoilers for how the emperor story line plays out
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I’m not sure how the hero got so good but that’s what ma… morekes it even better. If Luke can defeat one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy with just a year’s worth of training, then I’m sure that the hero can beat possibly the most powerful emperor in the Star Wars universe as a whole with a life time’s worth of training
Well he defeated Darth Angral, saved an entire planet from destruction, ALSO he fought reven (I think twice) and beat him both times, he battled the emperor’s wrath, somebody who fought alongside revan, and beat him first try and remember all of these events take place only within a few months, a year or 2 at most. And then there’s the headcanons that I threw in there such as being the twin of the sith warrior character, and defeating him on numerous occasions, eventually killing him, and seeing as a solid grand master has not been known to rise after Satele Shan until 1000 years, I’ve took it upon myself to head canon him as the next grand master until one is established.
I also gave him 2 different deaths, one is legends and one canon, both were based off of 2 other deaths. His legends death was based on Altair’s death from assassin’s creed and his canon death was somewhat similar to Luke’s last Jedi death mixed with Yoda’s. Old age but he didn’t just lie down to go to sleep. The imagination is powerful ik, my point being that in my own little universe, he was the strongest, better than Luke, Yoda, obi-wan, Anakin and all that.
Yeah,but the hero of tython is still not good,the emperor was weak when you face him at the end,i remember how powerful he was in the Revan … morebook that's just dumb to me.At least it's better in the expansions but there's still some major plot holes they never answered.The exile was really powerful,Revan was powerful.But the hero of tython ? Meh.
ALSO he fought Revan (I think twice) and beat him both times,
Only one time,(you can beat him in a flashpoint but only if you're from the Empire) but yeah they should have never included Revan in the game and the exile,in fact that would have made more sense if we would just play as Revan but i could go on a full rant about why they should have never made that book Revan and why they should have never touch the exile and Revan,but i'm not gonna do it.Because despise all of this i had a lot of fun with that game.
Yeah, I beat him on my empire save, figured you could do it on the Jedi too which is why I added in the “I think” part. But you can see my point, he is much more powerful than people actually think, and that if he fought last Jedi Luke I think that he could easily wipe the floor with him, at least put up a decent fight and then co e out on top in the end. Who do you think would win?
ALSO he fought Revan (I think twice) and beat him both times,
Only one time,(you can beat him in a flashpoint but only if you're fro… morem the Empire) but yeah they should have never included Revan in the game and the exile,in fact that would have made more sense if we would just play as Revan but i could go on a full rant about why they should have never made that book Revan and why they should have never touch the exile and Revan,but i'm not gonna do it.Because despise all of this i had a lot of fun with that game.
You can't beat revan because there's a flashpoint named Maelstrom Prison from the republic at level 33-37 when you release Revan (Read the book Revan to know what happened) and he goes at the Foundry and that's where you beat him on your Empire Save at level 33-37.
I don't really know who would win honestly i guess he is more powerful than Luke so maybe he would win ? I don't know..
Yeah, I beat him on my empire save, figured you could do it on the Jedi too which is why I added in the “I think” part. But you can see my p… moreoint, he is much more powerful than people actually think, and that if he fought last Jedi Luke I think that he could easily wipe the floor with him, at least put up a decent fight and then co e out on top in the end. Who do you think would win?
I'm getting into this discussion sort of late, but to sum up...I don't like the Last Jedi.
I grew up with Star Wars-- in so many ways it was my childhood. And to go to the theatre in December for this movie we've been waiting two years for just to be incredibly disappointed is disheartening and sadly doesn't give me much hope for "Star Wars" going forward from this point.
There were so many missed opportunities with great story arcs that they could've done, but they didn't. Honestly I would've preffered Dark Luke to whatever that Luke in TLJ that they gave us was.
And Leia never received Jedi training? Yoda told Luke to pass on what he had learned. Who do you think is the FIRST person he'd train? Oh, I don't know maybe his sister- his only family in the world who has shown force capabilities in the past and also has a strong connection to it like Luke?
Instead, all we get is a scene of her flying through space.
Can you imagine how epic it would've been to have her pull out a yellow lightsaber just when things are starting to look grim and fighting off and throwing some First Order guys around?? But no, they didn't do that, and now they never can.
The movie was terrible to both Luke and Leia's characters.
Honestly, I'm not going to say all the other problems I have with this movie because I could go on for a really long time, but basically I think an article/quote I read from Rian Johnson basically sums up how haphazardly and carelessly he and Disney has approached the Star Wars universe.
I can't find the link, but he basically said that Rey's parentage may not be a 100% sealed deal because the directors/writers of Episode IX may change that or take it in another direction.
Implication? Yeah, they don't even have the story planned out. It's just getting bumped from one director/writer to another.
This series has always been very important to me, and to see them approaching it so haphazardly and like it was any other modern series makes me so incredibly mad. Star Wars isn't just any other series.
It's like they made this movie for casual movie goers, not Star Wars fans.
I'm looking forward to episode 9 only because it's directed by JJ Abrams. The Force Awakens wasn't perfect, but it felt like Star Wars. The Last Jedi fucked it all up...so JJ Abrams has a big mess to clean up. At least then maybe we'll get an actual continuation of stuff in TFA, unlike Rian Johnson who just ignored all of it.
Ok, the more I think about The Last Jedi, the more I'm starting to hate it. A lot of SW fans pointed out its flaws that I can't help but agree with them and the prequels did a lot of things better than the new trilogy.
Ok, the more I think about The Last Jedi, the more I'm starting to hate it. A lot of SW fans pointed out its flaws that I can't help but agree with them and the prequels did a lot of things better than the new trilogy.
First of all, I wouldn't say Snoke's character was wasted. His only purpose was to further develop Kylo Ren's character. He wasn't meant to be the Emperor 2.0. I'm going to ignore the one about Luke drinking milk, but I agree with you that the casino planet subplot was literally pointless, same with Rose. Although I can see Rose's character going somewhere in the next movie...
We all know Rose loves Finn, Finn loves Rey, Rey loves Kylo Ren and Kylo Ren loves Rose. So what's going to happen is Rose is going to become very jealous of Rey because Finn likes her, and so Rose will kill Rey. This will fill Finn with the thirst for vengeance and he will kill Rose. Kylo Ren's heart shatters now that his one true love is dead, and so he kills Finn and then Kills himself. The First Order falls without him and Leia (the last Resistance member) becomes the new ruler. And then has a heart attack and dies within seconds. Now with no ruler, the galaxy falls into a state of anarchy. THE END
Yeah, the fact she prevented Finn's sacrifice was disappointing and pretty stupid. But I did like her line: "The way we're gonna win this war is not by destroying the things we hate, but by protecting the things we love" (Something like that)
Well, the bomb dropping in space can be explained. The bombs are kind of like magnets and are attracted to the ship's metal. Causing it to fall down on them.
But yeah, about everything else I agree with you on... Besides the Porgs. They were awesome.
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Things that were set up in the previous movie go nowhere, the treatment and overall discarding of Snoke, Luke dr… moreinking titty milk, the casino planet subplot that has no importance, the entire character of Rose, Finn not being able to sacrifice himself, that purple haired woman, Leia Supwerwomaning herself in space, bombs dropping in space, ships coming to a halt after running out of fuel in space (overall, a lot of the rules of space were ignored in this movie, I get it's sci-fi, but still), the treatment of Luke's character and how he does a complete 180 from the original trilogy, unexplained force powers that either work (Luke astro projecting himself) or are ridiculous (as mentioned, Leia, but also Yoda summoning lightning), forced liberal/progressive political messaging, animal rights, porgs, the fact that we still have no idea how the First Order rose to power and took over the galaxy, why there was a Republic… [view original content]
"The way we're gonna win this war is not by destroying the things we hate, but by protecting the things we love"
That line would carry a little more weight had her own sister at the beginning of the movie not sacrificed herself to save everyone and destroy the Dreadnought. I don’t really care if it’s a “good” line, it makes no sense because they can’t win the war if they’re all dead, which would have been the case had Luke not shown up. Had that not happened, the entire resistance would have been killed right then and there, preventing her from saving the people she loves and stopping the things they hate, because she didn’t let Finn sacrifice himself.
Well, there are some answers for those things.
First of all, I wouldn't say Snoke's character was wasted. His only purpose was to further… more develop Kylo Ren's character. He wasn't meant to be the Emperor 2.0. I'm going to ignore the one about Luke drinking milk, but I agree with you that the casino planet subplot was literally pointless, same with Rose. Although I can see Rose's character going somewhere in the next movie...
We all know Rose loves Finn, Finn loves Rey, Rey loves Kylo Ren and Kylo Ren loves Rose. So what's going to happen is Rose is going to become very jealous of Rey because Finn likes her, and so Rose will kill Rey. This will fill Finn with the thirst for vengeance and he will kill Rose. Kylo Ren's heart shatters now that his one true love is dead, and so he kills Finn and then Kills himself. The First Order falls without him and Leia (the last Resistance member) becomes the new ruler. And then has a heart attack and die… [view original content]
How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended!!! Yeah Baby!!! This is real shit!! OMG this is fuckin amazing!!! Why was not this in the movie? Rian Johnson and Disney,SCREW YOU!!!
The part where Rey and Luke work together to take down the First Order walkers in the Salt Planet would have worked WAY better than the one in the actual movie.
I cannot wait for CinemaSins to sin this abomination.
How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended!!! Yeah Baby!!! This is real shit!! OMG this is fuckin amazing!!! Why was not this in the movie? Rian Johnson and Disney,SCREW YOU!!!
Thought you loved the film. Rule number 1 of melton’s book of filmography is to not let people influence how you view a film. Which is why I still love it despite knowing all of the cons and the reasons behind them. Actually, even some of the cons can work out as pro’s.... from a Certain Point of View ??
Rule number 2 is obviously being don’t constantly force ideas down the director’s throat, it’s ok to ask for like 1 thing, but don’t try to shape the movie, movies are art for the directors to express, which is probably why movies aren’t as good as they used to be, directors let fans get to them too much, hence the reason the whole SJW thing in the last Jedi, even though I didn’t see much of why ppl thing it is for SJW’s. But even if it was, that would most likely be why. If you want the full book, it’ll be 2.99
The part where Rey and Luke work together to take down the First Order walkers in the Salt Planet would have worked WAY better than the one in the actual movie.
I cannot wait for CinemaSins to sin this abomination.
Believe me, sometimes I don't side with the majority. I never even sided with SW fanboys who are trashing the prequels cause they're giving me a lot of garbage reasons just to justify the hate other than the obvious ones. Another example, I wanted to love Life is Strange but @MetallicaRules gave me good reasons why he hates it and I can't help but agree with him.
I wanted to think The Last Jedi is amazing, I still think it's a great movie but doesn't deserve to be canon to the franchise. I wish it was a new story and didn't bring the old characters back. Rian Johnson didn't seem to care much about Luke and Leia's characters and just threw them in the garbage like that. Let's not forget that Episode 8 is the last SW movie Carrie Fisher was involved and who knows how Leia's fate will do justice in Episode 9.
Thought you loved the film. Rule number 1 of melton’s book of filmography is to not let people influence how you view a film. Which is why I… more still love it despite knowing all of the cons and the reasons behind them. Actually, even some of the cons can work out as pro’s.... from a Certain Point of View ??
Rule number 2 is obviously being don’t constantly force ideas down the director’s throat, it’s ok to ask for like 1 thing, but don’t try to shape the movie, movies are art for the directors to express, which is probably why movies aren’t as good as they used to be, directors let fans get to them too much, hence the reason the whole SJW thing in the last Jedi, even though I didn’t see much of why ppl thing it is for SJW’s. But even if it was, that would most likely be why.
If you want the full book, it’ll be 2.99
Believe me, sometimes I don't side with the majority. I never even sided with SW fanboys who are trashing the prequels cause they're giving … moreme a lot of garbage reasons just to justify the hate other than the obvious ones. Another example, I wanted to love Life is Strange but @MetallicaRules gave me good reasons why he hates it and I can't help but agree with him.
I wanted to think The Last Jedi is amazing, I still think it's a great movie but doesn't deserve to be canon to the franchise. I wish it was a new story and didn't bring the old characters back. Rian Johnson didn't seem to care much about Luke and Leia's characters and just threw them in the garbage like that. Let's not forget that Episode 8 is the last SW movie Carrie Fisher was involved and who knows how Leia's fate will do justice in Episode 9.
A movie being unpredictable does not make it a breath of fresh air or not stale. There is nothing wrong with making a movie that constantly surprises the audience, but when you're goal from the very start of the film is "make everything the audience expects to happen to not happen" in a movie that is not some standalone movie, but a movie that is all together in a greater whole, you just cooked up a disaster. The Last Jedi tries so hard to make everything unpredictable it ruins the movie. Biggest example is the Finn and Rose story line. This goes on for so long and in the end it leads to nothing at all. The plan fails, and not only does it fail, we find out that this whole part of the movie should have been cut if the writing made any sense and purple hair lady just told Poe the plan like an actual leader would instead of trying to "teach a lesson." Finn and Rose end up in the exact same place after this too, after they did nothing for the rest of the plot, so the movie could have simply gone the exact same way minus the whole Finn and Rose thing. This was all just there to be "unpredictable" that "omg Finn and Rose FAILED!!!?!?!?!?" rather than serving any real purpose. We find out Luke created Kylo Ren because he thought about killing him. This is unpredictable because it just goes against Luke's character. Makes sense? No. Ruins a character? Yup. Rey's parents are nobodies who sold her for drinking water so the audience is shocked and couldnt see that coming, yet the last movie shows her parents fly away on a spaceship. My point is, the Last Jedi only cared about being SHOCKING and UNPREDICTABLE even though this includes ignoring story points from the last entry in the series. Again, there is nothing wrong being unpredictable, but when the last movie has obvious set up for the next entry just for the next movie to go "omg but they expect something along those lines so lets just do something that makes no sense instead XD" kills the movie. Luke makes a map to find him after he disappears but then says he doesnt want to be found. Kylo kills Snoke to be "unpredictable" but it doesnt make any sense because after this his character stays exactly the same, no change.
Even after all this the movie still does the same things past movies have done, just not as well done. Good guy turned bad due to other force tempting them to dark side, leads to master vs student fight. Check. Phasma appears to just be defeated right after. Check. Bad guys have the upper hand in the second movie in the trilogy happens again. The bad guy kills the higher bad guy. It goes on and on. So no, I wouldnt say a movie being unpredictable makes it a breath of fresh air and not stale. It feels like an awkward mesh of inspiration from the past movies, while pretending to be unique when in reality its a poorly written "unpredictable mess." This is just the movies problems with it trying to be unpredictable, but it goes on more and more with pacing, overall story and story telling, and direction.
A movie being unpredictable does not make it a breath of fresh air or not stale. There is nothing wrong with making a movie that constantly … moresurprises the audience, but when you're goal from the very start of the film is "make everything the audience expects to happen to not happen" in a movie that is not some standalone movie, but a movie that is all together in a greater whole, you just cooked up a disaster. The Last Jedi tries so hard to make everything unpredictable it ruins the movie. Biggest example is the Finn and Rose story line. This goes on for so long and in the end it leads to nothing at all. The plan fails, and not only does it fail, we find out that this whole part of the movie should have been cut if the writing made any sense and purple hair lady just told Poe the plan like an actual leader would instead of trying to "teach a lesson." Finn and Rose end up in the exact same place after this too, after they did nothing for the re… [view original content]
I know this is petty but why on earth did that lady have purple hair? I'm not too huge on the EU so I can't really comment there but I cannot recall a single normal person in the main series with an unnatural hair color. I know it's a non issue but it was kinda jarring to see.
You know what bugs me? When people say Luke’s character was ruined, he’d never give up on people and all that, despite sort of redeeming himself at the end, as well as when they say that they did not want him do die cos they need him in episode 9, even though he can come back as a force ghost, also possibly further redeeming himself in the next episode.
What also bugs me is when people get upset over how Phasma was handled and how she (possibly) died, when boba had 0 development whatsoever, was just there to look mysterious, but everyone goes fanboy/girl over him, even when he died (or lived?) in a stupid way, whereas Phasma’s death wasn’t as stupid (if she did die at all)
What also bugs me is when people get upset over how Phasma was handled and how she (possibly) died, when boba had 0 development whatsoever, was just there to look mysterious, but everyone goes fanboy/girl over him, even when he died (or lived?) in a stupid way, whereas Phasma’s death wasn’t as stupid (if she did die at all)
Yeah, I never understood why Boba Fett is fan favourite. He had like 10 lines in the whole trilogy and people got easily upset over his death, which was accidentally done by Han. I prefer Jango Fett cause I loved the battle between him and Obi-Wan in Episode 2. Rian Johnson just did the same mistake with Phasma, I mean what was the point of making and selling toys modeled after her if you kill her just like that? I think JJ Abrams had plans for her but Rian didn't care at all.
Seriously, this new trilogy is trying so hard to recycle everything from the original trilogy instead of being a new thing to SW saga. Hell, even the prequels didn't copy anything from the first 3 films.
You know what bugs me? When people say Luke’s character was ruined, he’d never give up on people and all that, despite sort of redeeming himself at the end, as well as when they say that they did not want him do die cos they need him in episode 9, even though he can come back as a force ghost, also possibly further redeeming himself in the next episode.
Luke's death doesn't make any sense. He dies right after using that force clone of himself and what did it cause? A heart attack? And his plan will not affect Episode 9 cause he dies by distracting Kylo and he didn't change him at all. That's just unforgivable for an iconic character like him and his last moments didn't affect me as how I was supposed to feel, Han Solo's death was more remorseful, shocking and made sense.
You know what bugs me? When people say Luke’s character was ruined, he’d never give up on people and all that, despite sort of redeeming him… moreself at the end, as well as when they say that they did not want him do die cos they need him in episode 9, even though he can come back as a force ghost, also possibly further redeeming himself in the next episode.
What also bugs me is when people get upset over how Phasma was handled and how she (possibly) died, when boba had 0 development whatsoever, was just there to look mysterious, but everyone goes fanboy/girl over him, even when he died (or lived?) in a stupid way, whereas Phasma’s death wasn’t as stupid (if she did die at all)
That’s why we wait for episode 9 as well as for a few novels or episodes in the rebels series to explain the whole new force projection ability. It should be explained eventually, no matter how long it takes, so I wouldn’t judge the film for this just yet when an explanation may one day emerge.
What also bugs me is when people get upset over how Phasma was handled and how she (possibly) died, when boba had 0 development whatsoever, … morewas just there to look mysterious, but everyone goes fanboy/girl over him, even when he died (or lived?) in a stupid way, whereas Phasma’s death wasn’t as stupid (if she did die at all)
Yeah, I never understood why Boba Fett is fan favourite. He had like 10 lines in the whole trilogy and people got easily upset over his death, which was accidentally done by Han. I prefer Jango Fett cause I loved the battle between him and Obi-Wan in Episode 2. Rian Johnson just did the same mistake with Phasma, I mean what was the point of making and selling toys modeled after her if you kill her just like that? I think JJ Abrams had plans for her but Rian didn't care at all.
Seriously, this new trilogy is trying so hard to recycle everything from the original trilogy instead of being a new thing to SW saga. He… [view original content]
My dad just totally surprised me and bought the last Jedi dictionary, and it explains pretty much most of the things that people didn’t like about the movie and turns them into extremely interesting things.
A lot of people from the Star Wars community disliked this movie and I can understand why, it wasn't as strong as other Star Wars movies like TFA because TFA was the movie that really brought Star Wars back to life after the prequels because as we all know, the prequels were not the best and a lot of people can once again agree that the movies are returning to that level. This movie for me was good, I liked that Luke Skywalker who is one of my favorite Star Wars characters has finally come back for a full movie this time, when I saw him fade away the first thing I thought was "REALLY? HOW COULD THEY" the second thing was "I don't think the community is going to like this" and I have yet to see one person that is upset about Luke's death. I thought it was a great send off for Luke and I hope he returns for episode 9.
Somebody else who died in this movie and I absolutely hate that he died was.... Snoke the most interesting character of the new trilogy and possibly most powerful for me was Snoke because he dies towards the end of the movie in the trilogy with no backstory at all. when I finished watching TFA in cinemas my biggest quistion was who is Snoke?
My favorite 2 scenes in this movie are by far the Yoda force ghost scene and the Rey and Kylo Ren fight the praetorian guards scene.
So its got its ups and downs and its definitely not the best Star Wars movie so far but worth checking out.
Backstories are for the animated tv series and graphic novels, killing people off for peace of mind is for the movies.
That’s the thing that bugs me the most about the reception this movie is getting, people want a Snoke backstory but why the hell is one of the most mysterious figures in the galaxy going to tell us his life story? It won’t make sense at all, even if we wanted to know it, which is why it is best for the novels to tv shows to expand on it.
A lot of people from the Star Wars community disliked this movie and I can understand why, it wasn't as strong as other Star Wars movies lik… moree TFA because TFA was the movie that really brought Star Wars back to life after the prequels because as we all know, the prequels were not the best and a lot of people can once again agree that the movies are returning to that level. This movie for me was good, I liked that Luke Skywalker who is one of my favorite Star Wars characters has finally come back for a full movie this time, when I saw him fade away the first thing I thought was "REALLY? HOW COULD THEY" the second thing was "I don't think the community is going to like this" and I have yet to see one person that is upset about Luke's death. I thought it was a great send off for Luke and I hope he returns for episode 9.
Somebody else who died in this movie and I absolutely hate that he died was.... Snoke the most interesting character of the n… [view original content]
After TFA came out that's when I really got into the whole Star Wars fandom community which lead me to stuff like the TV shows and novels. When TLJ was coming out I realized that the best chance of us seeing who Snoke really is will be told through the novels instead of the movies because (as you said) why would he tell us his life story, now that the movie has come out and I have seen it in the cinemas the only way we can find out his origin is through either TV shows or novels. I am thinking that it will be told through novels rather than TV shows because the TV shows are focusing more on specific eras rather than 1 particular person and his/her adventures.
Backstories are for the animated tv series and graphic novels, killing people off for peace of mind is for the movies.
That’s the thing tha… moret bugs me the most about the reception this movie is getting, people want a Snoke backstory but why the hell is one of the most mysterious figures in the galaxy going to tell us his life story? It won’t make sense at all, even if we wanted to know it, which is why it is best for the novels to tv shows to expand on it.
Things like this shouldn't work this way though. It's like when a book is adapted into a movie, obviously if you read the book, you will probably understand the movie better than someone who hasn't. But if you are making that movie that is based off a book, you can't make a plot point or a major aspect of the movie unexplained, and then just say "read the book if you want to understand that part." For example, imagine if in the Harry Potter movies the film makers decided that they skipped over the entire purpose of what a Horcrux was, and why they needed to be destroyed. The movie just goes "we need to destroy the Voldemort's Horcruxes!" The film makers choose to not explain anything else, or any info on what one is and why they need to destroy them. It just causes confusion for the viewer, and the viewer should not be told "oh well you have to search this other part of media to understand that part of the movie" (in this case the books)
Basically, story wise it is just silly to do this. Movies need to feel connected. You can't set up something like this in one movie, and the next movie never answer the set up, and then go "read the book/watch the tv show if you want to understand or have this explained." It is just dumb to handle stories like this, it needs to all stay within the same media with the Star Wars movies being the important lore changing chapters, with the books and TV shows being the smaller side stories. Because the TV show and books will not do anything as lore changing as the movies will do, so in this case if they explain Snoke in a book or show, it will just be underwhelming because the audience isnt as big, so they wont do anything lore changing. (because again this would mean if you dont watch the show you wouldnt understand the new movie if it is expecting you to read and watch everything Star Wars to understand) Also Im pretty sure Luke explaining to Rey who Snoke was probably wouldnt be the hardest way to give even a little bit of back story on Snoke, I doubt Luke didnt know anything about him.
Backstories are for the animated tv series and graphic novels, killing people off for peace of mind is for the movies.
That’s the thing tha… moret bugs me the most about the reception this movie is getting, people want a Snoke backstory but why the hell is one of the most mysterious figures in the galaxy going to tell us his life story? It won’t make sense at all, even if we wanted to know it, which is why it is best for the novels to tv shows to expand on it.
And how would Luke know anything about Snoke? Why would Snoke tell him, or anyone for that matter. It would literally be stupid to have one of the most mysterious figures in all of Star Wars go around telling everyone who he is. Does that not sound off to you? That’s like earth Vader telling people he was anakin. Nobody knew, and people who did find out, even his own men he would kill, and this was all explained in the comics, not even shown in the movies but nobody cared at all. And anakin is different cos we got his backstory for when he was a Jedi, but he was full on mysterious when he was a sith, the only thing we knew about him was that he was Luke’s dad. So Darth vader’s story is not explained much while he is spending his time as Vader and not as anakin (as George Lucas says, they are considered as 2 different people) and nobody cares, but when Snoke, somebody who is waaaaay more mysterious than Vader doesn’t express his past to his enemies or even allies, everyone loses their shit. It’s dumb, it really is. Besides, we got vader’s story (while he was Vader) in comic form, so they can just do it for Snoke in the same way, people loved the Vader comics so I don’t see how it will change anything.
Things like this shouldn't work this way though. It's like when a book is adapted into a movie, obviously if you read the book, you will pro… morebably understand the movie better than someone who hasn't. But if you are making that movie that is based off a book, you can't make a plot point or a major aspect of the movie unexplained, and then just say "read the book if you want to understand that part." For example, imagine if in the Harry Potter movies the film makers decided that they skipped over the entire purpose of what a Horcrux was, and why they needed to be destroyed. The movie just goes "we need to destroy the Voldemort's Horcruxes!" The film makers choose to not explain anything else, or any info on what one is and why they need to destroy them. It just causes confusion for the viewer, and the viewer should not be told "oh well you have to search this other part of media to understand that part of the movie" (in this case the books)
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Why are you assuming the only way people would know info about Snoke is Snoke directly telling people? Luke knew that Snoke was seducing Kylo to the dark side, so it isnt like he was well hidden or anything, Luke was aware he was out there somewhere, not to mention Snoke is responsible for the First Order and basically bringing the Empire back, how can all these people just not know how this huge group started? The Prequels showed how the Empire started and even the original trilogy told the audience how the Empire wasn't always a thing, so how is there Snoke and the First Order but no one seems to know anything about how they formed in only 30 years? I'm pretty sure Luke would have tried to find info about Snoke, and people in general should have some sort of idea on how the First Order started.
Darth Vader worked for being mysterious because he had an actually arch to him. Can you imagine if Darth Vader was the same in A New Hope, but in Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader isn't revealed to be Luke's father and Luke just kills him? It would make people pretty mad. Especially if then it was "haha read the book if u wanna find out more about him doods xD" Darth Vader we find out had history with Obi Wan, we find out he is not actually top in command but actually working for the Emperor, we find out he is Luke's father. Even knowing info like this, we still have a mysterious feeling about him, like wondering what he is like under the mask as well as how he fell to the dark side ect. Compare this to Snoke who is "Hey Fellas! Dont ask where the fuck I came from lol ok im dead now bye." Obviously you could compare Snoke to the Emperor as the Emperor didn't have much backstory before the prequels, but like I said the original trilogy did let us know that the Empire was able to take over, so we know that he had some part in the take over. Snoke doesn't even take over anything, and like I said no one seems to know at all where he and the first order came from. So this is why Snoke does not compare to Darth Vader at all when it comes to "the mystery and backstory" of him. We were given some info without a full backstory for Darth Vader and he was still mysterious and interesting, while Snoke has none and just dies.
And how would Luke know anything about Snoke? Why would Snoke tell him, or anyone for that matter. It would literally be stupid to have one … moreof the most mysterious figures in all of Star Wars go around telling everyone who he is. Does that not sound off to you? That’s like earth Vader telling people he was anakin. Nobody knew, and people who did find out, even his own men he would kill, and this was all explained in the comics, not even shown in the movies but nobody cared at all. And anakin is different cos we got his backstory for when he was a Jedi, but he was full on mysterious when he was a sith, the only thing we knew about him was that he was Luke’s dad. So Darth vader’s story is not explained much while he is spending his time as Vader and not as anakin (as George Lucas says, they are considered as 2 different people) and nobody cares, but when Snoke, somebody who is waaaaay more mysterious than Vader doesn’t express his past to his en… [view original content]
Just because Luke could either sense that Snoke was seducing Kylo or he found out in some other way, that doesn’t mean he’s going to go digging into Snoke’s past because that would be completely pointless and shit story telling. And yeah, the prequels showed the empire started, the originals never and nobody was bitching about it then. Just because we don’t know about how it started doesn’t mean we’ll never find out. And about Snoke’s death, the sequels haven’t even been concluded yet, we may still get more of him. Remember, he is powerful, and it’s stupid to have him die through predicting his own death while trying to sense somebody else’s. Something tells me that they’ll introduce sith force ghosts. And yes, it IS possible, because in legends (referring to Star Wars the old republic) in the sith inquisitor story line you meet a sith force ghost so it isn’t like they don’t exist, despite everyone saying that they don’t, he could have tried to make kylo kill him considering it was basically impossible to do it himself so he would become more powerful than ever, granting the opportunity for him to make a return in episode 9. This is what pisses me off so much, people judging a product before it is unfinished. Episode 9 will likely make things that happened in episode 8 much better, just like the visual dictionary explained how the bombs dropped and why Luke had a personality change.
And Snoke was set up as mysterious, all powerful and straight up evil, who was set up to have everything that can be known about him shroudedin darkness and mystery. characters like him don’t have backstories, we don’t need to know, it’s better if it’s just left open to the imagination. What’s BB-8’s backstory. OH We DoN’T kNOw BuT We’Ll OnLy CoMpLaiN FOr SnOKe, A ToTaLlY MysTEriOuS CHaRActER WhO dOesN’t NeeD a BaCKsTORy. I swear sometimes fan logic just baffles me. Darth maul: introduced as a mystery, dies in the same movie he is introduced in, nobody cared, then clone wars came out and expanded on him, didn’t change much about how fans viewed him, they still thought he was cool.
Emperor palpatine: knew fuck all about him and I don’t recall anybody from before my time complaining about his death, they all tell me that everything from the originals was great so I’ll assume they didn’t care.
Count Dooku: no backstory aside from that one line from another character saying he was a Jedi (that’s it really) was in about 5 scenes, dies, no uproar there.
Snoke: Is genuinely supposed to be mysterious with no backstory, dies, fans dress up as KKK members and slaughter anyone who liked the last Jedi.
Smh pls explain this cos I’m coming to the conclusion that people didn’t like it just because of Disney ? I mean I don’t even like Disney and even I thought that Snoke didn’t need a life story
Why are you assuming the only way people would know info about Snoke is Snoke directly telling people? Luke knew that Snoke was seducing Kyl… moreo to the dark side, so it isnt like he was well hidden or anything, Luke was aware he was out there somewhere, not to mention Snoke is responsible for the First Order and basically bringing the Empire back, how can all these people just not know how this huge group started? The Prequels showed how the Empire started and even the original trilogy told the audience how the Empire wasn't always a thing, so how is there Snoke and the First Order but no one seems to know anything about how they formed in only 30 years? I'm pretty sure Luke would have tried to find info about Snoke, and people in general should have some sort of idea on how the First Order started.
Darth Vader worked for being mysterious because he had an actually arch to him. Can you imagine if Darth Vader was the same in A New Hope, but i… [view original content]
Im pretty sure if Luke knew about Snoke he would want to have some info about him instead of just rushing in. I think Luke would want to find out how the First Order is starting and how Snoke is leading it ect. Even if thats as much backstory as we get its more than none. Could have had it so Luke in the past was trying to stop the First Order before it happened and during this segment we see more of Snoke and learn even the smallest itty bitty piece of info about him. But instead it is just "im Snoke, dont ask how i got here lmao." Also I dont think you read what I was saying before correctly. No one complained because Obi Wan explained how the Empire recently took over. And that's really all we need to know. We know that the Empire took over, we know there's been a rebellion against the Empire because of it. Cut to the sequels and even though the Empire was destroyed, somehow in 30 years the First Order is somehow in charge of everything, just like the Empire was, but with 0 explanation on how. Not a single line or anything saying that "something" happened for it to come to this.
Snoke returning as a force ghost is not a good idea. What purpose would it serve? Would he just show up to Kylo and go "why did u kill me ;'(" There would just be no purpose, seeing his character is pretty much useless now. Him appearing as a force ghost would just confirm they know how bad they fucked up. Like would he just give us his backstory for no reason after his death or something? That would be some ANF level of ep 4 flashback correcting right there.
Also these examples of other characters dont really hold up. These are minor supporting characters, and even they have better character backgrounds then Snoke. BB-8 is Po's droid. We can obviously just assume the droid was made, and he owns the droid. Emperor's death pre-prequel era worked because there was a fitting close to his character and the saga. And like I said, we knew enough about him, like how he had seduced Darth Vader to the Dark side, and that he was responsible for the Empire's rise to power. So when Darth Vader kills him to save Luke, it shows how Darth Vader's character is changing, as well as ending the villain. This is also the end of the trilogy where ties are coming to a close. Snoke dies half way through the trilogy after being built up as this "new type of Emperor" but this time when the underling kills him, its pointless because Kylo doesnt fucking change after. He just goes back to doing what Snoke was making him fucking do anyway. So even his death served no overall greater purpose. Dooku, again is shown to be pulling a lot of strings throughout the story, and even his death again gives more development to Anakin, so his death isnt completely pointless. Also he is from the prequels which have already been discussed countless times with how the story telling is not so great (and I will agree Dooku is pretty weak as a character) but he still does more than Snoke in terms of involvement and explination.
Just because Luke could either sense that Snoke was seducing Kylo or he found out in some other way, that doesn’t mean he’s going to go dig… moreging into Snoke’s past because that would be completely pointless and shit story telling. And yeah, the prequels showed the empire started, the originals never and nobody was bitching about it then. Just because we don’t know about how it started doesn’t mean we’ll never find out. And about Snoke’s death, the sequels haven’t even been concluded yet, we may still get more of him. Remember, he is powerful, and it’s stupid to have him die through predicting his own death while trying to sense somebody else’s. Something tells me that they’ll introduce sith force ghosts. And yes, it IS possible, because in legends (referring to Star Wars the old republic) in the sith inquisitor story line you meet a sith force ghost so it isn’t like they don’t exist, despite everyone saying that they don’t, he could have tried… [view original content]
Yeah, cos Luke wants to know his shoe size, who his parents were, if he is jar jar ninja or mace windu or whatever shit theories people come up with, whether he uses a lightsaber or not (even though we know he physically cannot, his deformed state will barely allow him to make any sudden moves, meaning he relies on force powers alone) what planets he was from and all that. The force has been established to not work like that. If you’ve watched episode 1-3, then you’ll know how the Jedi couldn’t sense through palpatine and what was the truth behind him and he was practically a few feet away from them every day, so what makes you think that Luke can sense who Snoke is light years away?
And no, him showing up as a force ghost does not show that they messed up, for all we know it could have been planned from the start and people just don’t want to believe it. It’s this amount of toxicity within fan bases, and even behind the scenes of a movie, that is just ruining filmography today, SJW’s are getting into Disney and then there’s the regular fans who get angry and just assume things despite whatever they are assuming probably not being true.
And the arguments about BB-8 just being poe’s Droid and that he was only meant to be a droid makes no sense. R2-D2 had a backstory, he was a repair droid, who eventually turned spy as well as a hero to the rebellion. A droid. The only thing we know about B.B. is that he is a restistance droid and that’s it, has he been developed much aside from that? Did he come from any lower position? No.
And how was the emperor’s death a fitting end for his character? Back then we saw one hologram of him that was made using a chimp, and then ONE other scene in return of the Jedi. He had like 15 mins of screen time tops in the entire sega. And we never knew how he seduced Vader before the prequels, that’s my point! He was in that sega, no backstory, dead, Snoke it in this current sega, no backstory, dead. What makes you think that he won’t appear in a tv show or in a future sega like palpatine did to work on his character development if that’s what people really want him to have?
I’m genuinely getting tired of fan logic btw. Palpatine... WAS NOT IN A NEW HOPE, shows up in empire for around 1 and a half mins, and at the end of Jedi and dies. He has about the same screen time as Snoke (during the 1980’s) so where’s the difference? We knew nothing back then, and we know nothing about Snoke now, then palpatine reappears so we do know, but people instantly think that Snoke won’t reappear. It genuinely pisses me off. I know, opinions and all that, but what good is an opinion when it make sense no sense what so ever? If people hate Snoke’s death then they are better off hating palpatine or maul’s “supposed” phantom menace death/disappearance
Im pretty sure if Luke knew about Snoke he would want to have some info about him instead of just rushing in. I think Luke would want to fin… mored out how the First Order is starting and how Snoke is leading it ect. Even if thats as much backstory as we get its more than none. Could have had it so Luke in the past was trying to stop the First Order before it happened and during this segment we see more of Snoke and learn even the smallest itty bitty piece of info about him. But instead it is just "im Snoke, dont ask how i got here lmao." Also I dont think you read what I was saying before correctly. No one complained because Obi Wan explained how the Empire recently took over. And that's really all we need to know. We know that the Empire took over, we know there's been a rebellion against the Empire because of it. Cut to the sequels and even though the Empire was destroyed, somehow in 30 years the First Order is somehow in charge of everything, j… [view original content]
Im not saying we need every detail about everything ever about Snoke. What I am saying is, he has no backstory about his rise to power, which is what is missing from him. Im not saying we need to know his parents, and siblings, and how he grew up, and what he was like when he was younger. What Im saying is he very much needed background about how he created the First Order. And again, Im not saying Luke is able to sense everything about Snoke, but I doubt he thought everything was just peachy. He knew Snoke was tempting Kylo for a good while and didnt really bother to do anything with Snoke. So its not like Luke wasn't aware of Snoke's existence, it seems he just didnt do anything even before the Jedi Temple destruction. (by existence I dont mean he was "feeling him in the force" I literally mean he had to have been mentally aware of Snoke and the First Order.)
Again BB-8 is a minor support character, R2-D2 was far more major. And this is another thing, not every character does need background, but they all need some. Like I said, we know where BB-8 is from, what he does, we know what his character is like. To put it simply, he isn't that important to the plot as a character. The most important thing he does is hold the map. And that is his purpose. We can't compare minor characters to characters that were built up to be the "big bad" for them to be poorly explained or have any purpose to the story. Snoke was not built up to be minor, but it turns out he was even more minor than a character like BB-8.
Snoke force ghost is highly unlikely, even if the Sith Ghost is an interesting idea. Putting it simply, there won't be any place for it in episode 9. It would accomplish nothing for the plot.
Again, we are given background about the Emperor, Im not sure why you arnt getting this. Sure we dont know the exact details on how he seduced Darth Vader, but we do know that he was why there is an Empire, and we know he is responsible for Darth Vader. The audience knows that there was an event in the past which lead to this happening. In these sequels, there is not a mention at all about any type of event that lead to the first order, and that is the whole issue. There could be just a single line, explaining anything about how they came to be, but there isnt. It just is left completely unexplained. Im not going to act like the original trilogy briefly mentioning the past is the best way to describe the Emperor and the Empire and all that, but atleast that world building effort is there explaining one of the biggest parts of the entire story. The sequels have none. Its just, "The first order is here! I dont know where they came from but thats ok!" I dont doubt Snoke wont appear in a Tv show or book, I am saying I find that to be a poor excuse for not explaining it properly in the correct media, being the movies.
Again, it was the end of the trilogy. This is more of a story writing issue. Return of the Jedi was the conclusion. All of this happens at the end. What happened in Last Jedi is in the middle. Now the sequel trilogy is just a mess. What even is Kylo's motive? Like I said earlier, he kills Snoke but he doesnt actually change. He is still doing the same shit. Emperor's death worked at the end because we knew who he was and his motives. We dont really learn what Snoke's were. And that's just the issue.
And yeah opinions are kinda dumb, cuz no one can ever really change them, kinda like how I can change yours and you cant change mine I guess lmao. Theres nothing wrong with liking the movie btw, to be honest most of my gripes with it are more of story telling issues rather than it being a Star Wars film.
Yeah, cos Luke wants to know his shoe size, who his parents were, if he is jar jar ninja or mace windu or whatever shit theories people come… more up with, whether he uses a lightsaber or not (even though we know he physically cannot, his deformed state will barely allow him to make any sudden moves, meaning he relies on force powers alone) what planets he was from and all that. The force has been established to not work like that. If you’ve watched episode 1-3, then you’ll know how the Jedi couldn’t sense through palpatine and what was the truth behind him and he was practically a few feet away from them every day, so what makes you think that Luke can sense who Snoke is light years away?
And no, him showing up as a force ghost does not show that they messed up, for all we know it could have been planned from the start and people just don’t want to believe it. It’s this amount of toxicity within fan bases, and even behind the scenes of a movie,… [view original content]
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Wow. It all makes sense now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2117s&v=_gRC4L6lNoc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=158s&v=yFnMMzqjYGw
If you don’t want spoilers for how the emperor story line plays out
You face the emperor like half way through the game but he beats you and 3 other of the best Jedi in the galaxy and turns you all to the dark side, then you return at the very end of the game to fight him one last time, and get the determinant choice (that I personally chose) to collapse his entire temple on top of him. Also the only companion you have with you at the time is your astromech droid so if this were in one of the movies I doubt that no matter how badass T7 is, he wouldn’t be able to touch the emperor so it is virtually 1v1.
I’m not sure how the hero got so good but that’s what makes it even better. If Luke can defeat one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy with just a year’s worth of training, then I’m sure that the hero can beat possibly the most powerful emperor in the Star Wars universe as a whole with a life time’s worth of training
Yeah,but the hero of tython is still not good,the emperor was weak when you face him at the end,i remember how powerful he was in the Revan book that's just dumb to me.At least it's better in the expansions but there's still some major plot holes they never answered.The exile was really powerful,Revan was powerful.But the hero of tython ? Meh.
Well he defeated Darth Angral, saved an entire planet from destruction, ALSO he fought reven (I think twice) and beat him both times, he battled the emperor’s wrath, somebody who fought alongside revan, and beat him first try and remember all of these events take place only within a few months, a year or 2 at most. And then there’s the headcanons that I threw in there such as being the twin of the sith warrior character, and defeating him on numerous occasions, eventually killing him, and seeing as a solid grand master has not been known to rise after Satele Shan until 1000 years, I’ve took it upon myself to head canon him as the next grand master until one is established.
I also gave him 2 different deaths, one is legends and one canon, both were based off of 2 other deaths. His legends death was based on Altair’s death from assassin’s creed and his canon death was somewhat similar to Luke’s last Jedi death mixed with Yoda’s. Old age but he didn’t just lie down to go to sleep. The imagination is powerful ik, my point being that in my own little universe, he was the strongest, better than Luke, Yoda, obi-wan, Anakin and all that.
Only one time,(you can beat him in a flashpoint but only if you're from the Empire) but yeah they should have never included Revan in the game and the exile,in fact that would have made more sense if we would just play as Revan but i could go on a full rant about why they should have never made that book Revan and why they should have never touch the exile and Revan,but i'm not gonna do it.Because despise all of this i had a lot of fun with that game.
Yeah, I beat him on my empire save, figured you could do it on the Jedi too which is why I added in the “I think” part. But you can see my point, he is much more powerful than people actually think, and that if he fought last Jedi Luke I think that he could easily wipe the floor with him, at least put up a decent fight and then co e out on top in the end. Who do you think would win?
You can't beat revan because there's a flashpoint named Maelstrom Prison from the republic at level 33-37 when you release Revan (Read the book Revan to know what happened) and he goes at the Foundry and that's where you beat him on your Empire Save at level 33-37.
I don't really know who would win honestly i guess he is more powerful than Luke so maybe he would win ? I don't know..
I'm getting into this discussion sort of late, but to sum up...I don't like the Last Jedi.
I grew up with Star Wars-- in so many ways it was my childhood. And to go to the theatre in December for this movie we've been waiting two years for just to be incredibly disappointed is disheartening and sadly doesn't give me much hope for "Star Wars" going forward from this point.
There were so many missed opportunities with great story arcs that they could've done, but they didn't. Honestly I would've preffered Dark Luke to whatever that Luke in TLJ that they gave us was.
And Leia never received Jedi training? Yoda told Luke to pass on what he had learned. Who do you think is the FIRST person he'd train? Oh, I don't know maybe his sister- his only family in the world who has shown force capabilities in the past and also has a strong connection to it like Luke?
Instead, all we get is a scene of her flying through space.
Can you imagine how epic it would've been to have her pull out a yellow lightsaber just when things are starting to look grim and fighting off and throwing some First Order guys around?? But no, they didn't do that, and now they never can.
The movie was terrible to both Luke and Leia's characters.
Honestly, I'm not going to say all the other problems I have with this movie because I could go on for a really long time, but basically I think an article/quote I read from Rian Johnson basically sums up how haphazardly and carelessly he and Disney has approached the Star Wars universe.
I can't find the link, but he basically said that Rey's parentage may not be a 100% sealed deal because the directors/writers of Episode IX may change that or take it in another direction.
Implication? Yeah, they don't even have the story planned out. It's just getting bumped from one director/writer to another.
This series has always been very important to me, and to see them approaching it so haphazardly and like it was any other modern series makes me so incredibly mad. Star Wars isn't just any other series.
It's like they made this movie for casual movie goers, not Star Wars fans.
I'm looking forward to episode 9 only because it's directed by JJ Abrams. The Force Awakens wasn't perfect, but it felt like Star Wars. The Last Jedi fucked it all up...so JJ Abrams has a big mess to clean up. At least then maybe we'll get an actual continuation of stuff in TFA, unlike Rian Johnson who just ignored all of it.
Ok, the more I think about The Last Jedi, the more I'm starting to hate it. A lot of SW fans pointed out its flaws that I can't help but agree with them and the prequels did a lot of things better than the new trilogy.
I knew you would get the train. Yeah the The Last Jedi sucked soooo bad!
Well, there are some answers for those things.
First of all, I wouldn't say Snoke's character was wasted. His only purpose was to further develop Kylo Ren's character. He wasn't meant to be the Emperor 2.0. I'm going to ignore the one about Luke drinking milk, but I agree with you that the casino planet subplot was literally pointless, same with Rose. Although I can see Rose's character going somewhere in the next movie...
We all know Rose loves Finn, Finn loves Rey, Rey loves Kylo Ren and Kylo Ren loves Rose. So what's going to happen is Rose is going to become very jealous of Rey because Finn likes her, and so Rose will kill Rey. This will fill Finn with the thirst for vengeance and he will kill Rose. Kylo Ren's heart shatters now that his one true love is dead, and so he kills Finn and then Kills himself. The First Order falls without him and Leia (the last Resistance member) becomes the new ruler. And then has a heart attack and dies within seconds. Now with no ruler, the galaxy falls into a state of anarchy. THE END
Yeah, the fact she prevented Finn's sacrifice was disappointing and pretty stupid. But I did like her line: "The way we're gonna win this war is not by destroying the things we hate, but by protecting the things we love" (Something like that)
Well, the bomb dropping in space can be explained. The bombs are kind of like magnets and are attracted to the ship's metal. Causing it to fall down on them.
But yeah, about everything else I agree with you on... Besides the Porgs. They were awesome.
That line would carry a little more weight had her own sister at the beginning of the movie not sacrificed herself to save everyone and destroy the Dreadnought. I don’t really care if it’s a “good” line, it makes no sense because they can’t win the war if they’re all dead, which would have been the case had Luke not shown up. Had that not happened, the entire resistance would have been killed right then and there, preventing her from saving the people she loves and stopping the things they hate, because she didn’t let Finn sacrifice himself.
How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended!!! Yeah Baby!!! This is real shit!! OMG this is fuckin amazing!!! Why was not this in the movie? Rian Johnson and Disney,SCREW YOU!!!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ
HISHE - THE LAST JEDI
Oh you posted sorry I post as well sorry
The part where Rey and Luke work together to take down the First Order walkers in the Salt Planet would have worked WAY better than the one in the actual movie.
I cannot wait for CinemaSins to sin this abomination.
Thought you loved the film. Rule number 1 of melton’s book of filmography is to not let people influence how you view a film. Which is why I still love it despite knowing all of the cons and the reasons behind them. Actually, even some of the cons can work out as pro’s.... from a Certain Point of View ??
Rule number 2 is obviously being don’t constantly force ideas down the director’s throat, it’s ok to ask for like 1 thing, but don’t try to shape the movie, movies are art for the directors to express, which is probably why movies aren’t as good as they used to be, directors let fans get to them too much, hence the reason the whole SJW thing in the last Jedi, even though I didn’t see much of why ppl thing it is for SJW’s. But even if it was, that would most likely be why.
If you want the full book, it’ll be 2.99
Believe me, sometimes I don't side with the majority. I never even sided with SW fanboys who are trashing the prequels cause they're giving me a lot of garbage reasons just to justify the hate other than the obvious ones. Another example, I wanted to love Life is Strange but @MetallicaRules gave me good reasons why he hates it and I can't help but agree with him.
I wanted to think The Last Jedi is amazing, I still think it's a great movie but doesn't deserve to be canon to the franchise. I wish it was a new story and didn't bring the old characters back. Rian Johnson didn't seem to care much about Luke and Leia's characters and just threw them in the garbage like that. Let's not forget that Episode 8 is the last SW movie Carrie Fisher was involved and who knows how Leia's fate will do justice in Episode 9.
Would you wish it was canon if I said that it was a breath of fresh air, unpredictable and not stale? What were your main gripes with the film?
A movie being unpredictable does not make it a breath of fresh air or not stale. There is nothing wrong with making a movie that constantly surprises the audience, but when you're goal from the very start of the film is "make everything the audience expects to happen to not happen" in a movie that is not some standalone movie, but a movie that is all together in a greater whole, you just cooked up a disaster. The Last Jedi tries so hard to make everything unpredictable it ruins the movie. Biggest example is the Finn and Rose story line. This goes on for so long and in the end it leads to nothing at all. The plan fails, and not only does it fail, we find out that this whole part of the movie should have been cut if the writing made any sense and purple hair lady just told Poe the plan like an actual leader would instead of trying to "teach a lesson." Finn and Rose end up in the exact same place after this too, after they did nothing for the rest of the plot, so the movie could have simply gone the exact same way minus the whole Finn and Rose thing. This was all just there to be "unpredictable" that "omg Finn and Rose FAILED!!!?!?!?!?" rather than serving any real purpose. We find out Luke created Kylo Ren because he thought about killing him. This is unpredictable because it just goes against Luke's character. Makes sense? No. Ruins a character? Yup. Rey's parents are nobodies who sold her for drinking water so the audience is shocked and couldnt see that coming, yet the last movie shows her parents fly away on a spaceship. My point is, the Last Jedi only cared about being SHOCKING and UNPREDICTABLE even though this includes ignoring story points from the last entry in the series. Again, there is nothing wrong being unpredictable, but when the last movie has obvious set up for the next entry just for the next movie to go "omg but they expect something along those lines so lets just do something that makes no sense instead XD" kills the movie. Luke makes a map to find him after he disappears but then says he doesnt want to be found. Kylo kills Snoke to be "unpredictable" but it doesnt make any sense because after this his character stays exactly the same, no change.
Even after all this the movie still does the same things past movies have done, just not as well done. Good guy turned bad due to other force tempting them to dark side, leads to master vs student fight. Check. Phasma appears to just be defeated right after. Check. Bad guys have the upper hand in the second movie in the trilogy happens again. The bad guy kills the higher bad guy. It goes on and on. So no, I wouldnt say a movie being unpredictable makes it a breath of fresh air and not stale. It feels like an awkward mesh of inspiration from the past movies, while pretending to be unique when in reality its a poorly written "unpredictable mess." This is just the movies problems with it trying to be unpredictable, but it goes on more and more with pacing, overall story and story telling, and direction.
try to make me dislike a film again or question my logic and I’ll kill you. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but I’m gonna kill you
Okay? ?
I know this is petty but why on earth did that lady have purple hair? I'm not too huge on the EU so I can't really comment there but I cannot recall a single normal person in the main series with an unnatural hair color. I know it's a non issue but it was kinda jarring to see.
You know what bugs me? When people say Luke’s character was ruined, he’d never give up on people and all that, despite sort of redeeming himself at the end, as well as when they say that they did not want him do die cos they need him in episode 9, even though he can come back as a force ghost, also possibly further redeeming himself in the next episode.
What also bugs me is when people get upset over how Phasma was handled and how she (possibly) died, when boba had 0 development whatsoever, was just there to look mysterious, but everyone goes fanboy/girl over him, even when he died (or lived?) in a stupid way, whereas Phasma’s death wasn’t as stupid (if she did die at all)
Yeah, I never understood why Boba Fett is fan favourite. He had like 10 lines in the whole trilogy and people got easily upset over his death, which was accidentally done by Han. I prefer Jango Fett cause I loved the battle between him and Obi-Wan in Episode 2. Rian Johnson just did the same mistake with Phasma, I mean what was the point of making and selling toys modeled after her if you kill her just like that? I think JJ Abrams had plans for her but Rian didn't care at all.
Seriously, this new trilogy is trying so hard to recycle everything from the original trilogy instead of being a new thing to SW saga. Hell, even the prequels didn't copy anything from the first 3 films.
Luke's death doesn't make any sense. He dies right after using that force clone of himself and what did it cause? A heart attack? And his plan will not affect Episode 9 cause he dies by distracting Kylo and he didn't change him at all. That's just unforgivable for an iconic character like him and his last moments didn't affect me as how I was supposed to feel, Han Solo's death was more remorseful, shocking and made sense.
That’s why we wait for episode 9 as well as for a few novels or episodes in the rebels series to explain the whole new force projection ability. It should be explained eventually, no matter how long it takes, so I wouldn’t judge the film for this just yet when an explanation may one day emerge.
It has been confirmed that The Last Jedi is going to have 14 Deleted Scenes included in the Blu-Ray version of the movie.
My dad just totally surprised me and bought the last Jedi dictionary, and it explains pretty much most of the things that people didn’t like about the movie and turns them into extremely interesting things.
A lot of people from the Star Wars community disliked this movie and I can understand why, it wasn't as strong as other Star Wars movies like TFA because TFA was the movie that really brought Star Wars back to life after the prequels because as we all know, the prequels were not the best and a lot of people can once again agree that the movies are returning to that level. This movie for me was good, I liked that Luke Skywalker who is one of my favorite Star Wars characters has finally come back for a full movie this time, when I saw him fade away the first thing I thought was "REALLY? HOW COULD THEY" the second thing was "I don't think the community is going to like this" and I have yet to see one person that is upset about Luke's death. I thought it was a great send off for Luke and I hope he returns for episode 9.
Somebody else who died in this movie and I absolutely hate that he died was.... Snoke the most interesting character of the new trilogy and possibly most powerful for me was Snoke because he dies towards the end of the movie in the trilogy with no backstory at all. when I finished watching TFA in cinemas my biggest quistion was who is Snoke?
My favorite 2 scenes in this movie are by far the Yoda force ghost scene and the Rey and Kylo Ren fight the praetorian guards scene.
So its got its ups and downs and its definitely not the best Star Wars movie so far but worth checking out.
Backstories are for the animated tv series and graphic novels, killing people off for peace of mind is for the movies.
That’s the thing that bugs me the most about the reception this movie is getting, people want a Snoke backstory but why the hell is one of the most mysterious figures in the galaxy going to tell us his life story? It won’t make sense at all, even if we wanted to know it, which is why it is best for the novels to tv shows to expand on it.
After TFA came out that's when I really got into the whole Star Wars fandom community which lead me to stuff like the TV shows and novels. When TLJ was coming out I realized that the best chance of us seeing who Snoke really is will be told through the novels instead of the movies because (as you said) why would he tell us his life story, now that the movie has come out and I have seen it in the cinemas the only way we can find out his origin is through either TV shows or novels. I am thinking that it will be told through novels rather than TV shows because the TV shows are focusing more on specific eras rather than 1 particular person and his/her adventures.
The novelization was released yesterday. For those who like books, it "might" be better than the movie. (Yeah, I know, big endorsement there.)
Things like this shouldn't work this way though. It's like when a book is adapted into a movie, obviously if you read the book, you will probably understand the movie better than someone who hasn't. But if you are making that movie that is based off a book, you can't make a plot point or a major aspect of the movie unexplained, and then just say "read the book if you want to understand that part." For example, imagine if in the Harry Potter movies the film makers decided that they skipped over the entire purpose of what a Horcrux was, and why they needed to be destroyed. The movie just goes "we need to destroy the Voldemort's Horcruxes!" The film makers choose to not explain anything else, or any info on what one is and why they need to destroy them. It just causes confusion for the viewer, and the viewer should not be told "oh well you have to search this other part of media to understand that part of the movie" (in this case the books)
Basically, story wise it is just silly to do this. Movies need to feel connected. You can't set up something like this in one movie, and the next movie never answer the set up, and then go "read the book/watch the tv show if you want to understand or have this explained." It is just dumb to handle stories like this, it needs to all stay within the same media with the Star Wars movies being the important lore changing chapters, with the books and TV shows being the smaller side stories. Because the TV show and books will not do anything as lore changing as the movies will do, so in this case if they explain Snoke in a book or show, it will just be underwhelming because the audience isnt as big, so they wont do anything lore changing. (because again this would mean if you dont watch the show you wouldnt understand the new movie if it is expecting you to read and watch everything Star Wars to understand) Also Im pretty sure Luke explaining to Rey who Snoke was probably wouldnt be the hardest way to give even a little bit of back story on Snoke, I doubt Luke didnt know anything about him.
And how would Luke know anything about Snoke? Why would Snoke tell him, or anyone for that matter. It would literally be stupid to have one of the most mysterious figures in all of Star Wars go around telling everyone who he is. Does that not sound off to you? That’s like earth Vader telling people he was anakin. Nobody knew, and people who did find out, even his own men he would kill, and this was all explained in the comics, not even shown in the movies but nobody cared at all. And anakin is different cos we got his backstory for when he was a Jedi, but he was full on mysterious when he was a sith, the only thing we knew about him was that he was Luke’s dad. So Darth vader’s story is not explained much while he is spending his time as Vader and not as anakin (as George Lucas says, they are considered as 2 different people) and nobody cares, but when Snoke, somebody who is waaaaay more mysterious than Vader doesn’t express his past to his enemies or even allies, everyone loses their shit. It’s dumb, it really is. Besides, we got vader’s story (while he was Vader) in comic form, so they can just do it for Snoke in the same way, people loved the Vader comics so I don’t see how it will change anything.
Why are you assuming the only way people would know info about Snoke is Snoke directly telling people? Luke knew that Snoke was seducing Kylo to the dark side, so it isnt like he was well hidden or anything, Luke was aware he was out there somewhere, not to mention Snoke is responsible for the First Order and basically bringing the Empire back, how can all these people just not know how this huge group started? The Prequels showed how the Empire started and even the original trilogy told the audience how the Empire wasn't always a thing, so how is there Snoke and the First Order but no one seems to know anything about how they formed in only 30 years? I'm pretty sure Luke would have tried to find info about Snoke, and people in general should have some sort of idea on how the First Order started.
Darth Vader worked for being mysterious because he had an actually arch to him. Can you imagine if Darth Vader was the same in A New Hope, but in Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader isn't revealed to be Luke's father and Luke just kills him? It would make people pretty mad. Especially if then it was "haha read the book if u wanna find out more about him doods xD" Darth Vader we find out had history with Obi Wan, we find out he is not actually top in command but actually working for the Emperor, we find out he is Luke's father. Even knowing info like this, we still have a mysterious feeling about him, like wondering what he is like under the mask as well as how he fell to the dark side ect. Compare this to Snoke who is "Hey Fellas! Dont ask where the fuck I came from lol ok im dead now bye." Obviously you could compare Snoke to the Emperor as the Emperor didn't have much backstory before the prequels, but like I said the original trilogy did let us know that the Empire was able to take over, so we know that he had some part in the take over. Snoke doesn't even take over anything, and like I said no one seems to know at all where he and the first order came from. So this is why Snoke does not compare to Darth Vader at all when it comes to "the mystery and backstory" of him. We were given some info without a full backstory for Darth Vader and he was still mysterious and interesting, while Snoke has none and just dies.
Just because Luke could either sense that Snoke was seducing Kylo or he found out in some other way, that doesn’t mean he’s going to go digging into Snoke’s past because that would be completely pointless and shit story telling. And yeah, the prequels showed the empire started, the originals never and nobody was bitching about it then. Just because we don’t know about how it started doesn’t mean we’ll never find out. And about Snoke’s death, the sequels haven’t even been concluded yet, we may still get more of him. Remember, he is powerful, and it’s stupid to have him die through predicting his own death while trying to sense somebody else’s. Something tells me that they’ll introduce sith force ghosts. And yes, it IS possible, because in legends (referring to Star Wars the old republic) in the sith inquisitor story line you meet a sith force ghost so it isn’t like they don’t exist, despite everyone saying that they don’t, he could have tried to make kylo kill him considering it was basically impossible to do it himself so he would become more powerful than ever, granting the opportunity for him to make a return in episode 9. This is what pisses me off so much, people judging a product before it is unfinished. Episode 9 will likely make things that happened in episode 8 much better, just like the visual dictionary explained how the bombs dropped and why Luke had a personality change.
And Snoke was set up as mysterious, all powerful and straight up evil, who was set up to have everything that can be known about him shroudedin darkness and mystery. characters like him don’t have backstories, we don’t need to know, it’s better if it’s just left open to the imagination. What’s BB-8’s backstory. OH We DoN’T kNOw BuT We’Ll OnLy CoMpLaiN FOr SnOKe, A ToTaLlY MysTEriOuS CHaRActER WhO dOesN’t NeeD a BaCKsTORy. I swear sometimes fan logic just baffles me. Darth maul: introduced as a mystery, dies in the same movie he is introduced in, nobody cared, then clone wars came out and expanded on him, didn’t change much about how fans viewed him, they still thought he was cool.
Emperor palpatine: knew fuck all about him and I don’t recall anybody from before my time complaining about his death, they all tell me that everything from the originals was great so I’ll assume they didn’t care.
Count Dooku: no backstory aside from that one line from another character saying he was a Jedi (that’s it really) was in about 5 scenes, dies, no uproar there.
Snoke: Is genuinely supposed to be mysterious with no backstory, dies, fans dress up as KKK members and slaughter anyone who liked the last Jedi.
Smh pls explain this cos I’m coming to the conclusion that people didn’t like it just because of Disney ? I mean I don’t even like Disney and even I thought that Snoke didn’t need a life story
Im pretty sure if Luke knew about Snoke he would want to have some info about him instead of just rushing in. I think Luke would want to find out how the First Order is starting and how Snoke is leading it ect. Even if thats as much backstory as we get its more than none. Could have had it so Luke in the past was trying to stop the First Order before it happened and during this segment we see more of Snoke and learn even the smallest itty bitty piece of info about him. But instead it is just "im Snoke, dont ask how i got here lmao." Also I dont think you read what I was saying before correctly. No one complained because Obi Wan explained how the Empire recently took over. And that's really all we need to know. We know that the Empire took over, we know there's been a rebellion against the Empire because of it. Cut to the sequels and even though the Empire was destroyed, somehow in 30 years the First Order is somehow in charge of everything, just like the Empire was, but with 0 explanation on how. Not a single line or anything saying that "something" happened for it to come to this.
Snoke returning as a force ghost is not a good idea. What purpose would it serve? Would he just show up to Kylo and go "why did u kill me ;'(" There would just be no purpose, seeing his character is pretty much useless now. Him appearing as a force ghost would just confirm they know how bad they fucked up. Like would he just give us his backstory for no reason after his death or something? That would be some ANF level of ep 4 flashback correcting right there.
Also these examples of other characters dont really hold up. These are minor supporting characters, and even they have better character backgrounds then Snoke. BB-8 is Po's droid. We can obviously just assume the droid was made, and he owns the droid. Emperor's death pre-prequel era worked because there was a fitting close to his character and the saga. And like I said, we knew enough about him, like how he had seduced Darth Vader to the Dark side, and that he was responsible for the Empire's rise to power. So when Darth Vader kills him to save Luke, it shows how Darth Vader's character is changing, as well as ending the villain. This is also the end of the trilogy where ties are coming to a close. Snoke dies half way through the trilogy after being built up as this "new type of Emperor" but this time when the underling kills him, its pointless because Kylo doesnt fucking change after. He just goes back to doing what Snoke was making him fucking do anyway. So even his death served no overall greater purpose. Dooku, again is shown to be pulling a lot of strings throughout the story, and even his death again gives more development to Anakin, so his death isnt completely pointless. Also he is from the prequels which have already been discussed countless times with how the story telling is not so great (and I will agree Dooku is pretty weak as a character) but he still does more than Snoke in terms of involvement and explination.
Yeah, cos Luke wants to know his shoe size, who his parents were, if he is jar jar ninja or mace windu or whatever shit theories people come up with, whether he uses a lightsaber or not (even though we know he physically cannot, his deformed state will barely allow him to make any sudden moves, meaning he relies on force powers alone) what planets he was from and all that. The force has been established to not work like that. If you’ve watched episode 1-3, then you’ll know how the Jedi couldn’t sense through palpatine and what was the truth behind him and he was practically a few feet away from them every day, so what makes you think that Luke can sense who Snoke is light years away?
And no, him showing up as a force ghost does not show that they messed up, for all we know it could have been planned from the start and people just don’t want to believe it. It’s this amount of toxicity within fan bases, and even behind the scenes of a movie, that is just ruining filmography today, SJW’s are getting into Disney and then there’s the regular fans who get angry and just assume things despite whatever they are assuming probably not being true.
And the arguments about BB-8 just being poe’s Droid and that he was only meant to be a droid makes no sense. R2-D2 had a backstory, he was a repair droid, who eventually turned spy as well as a hero to the rebellion. A droid. The only thing we know about B.B. is that he is a restistance droid and that’s it, has he been developed much aside from that? Did he come from any lower position? No.
And how was the emperor’s death a fitting end for his character? Back then we saw one hologram of him that was made using a chimp, and then ONE other scene in return of the Jedi. He had like 15 mins of screen time tops in the entire sega. And we never knew how he seduced Vader before the prequels, that’s my point! He was in that sega, no backstory, dead, Snoke it in this current sega, no backstory, dead. What makes you think that he won’t appear in a tv show or in a future sega like palpatine did to work on his character development if that’s what people really want him to have?
I’m genuinely getting tired of fan logic btw. Palpatine... WAS NOT IN A NEW HOPE, shows up in empire for around 1 and a half mins, and at the end of Jedi and dies. He has about the same screen time as Snoke (during the 1980’s) so where’s the difference? We knew nothing back then, and we know nothing about Snoke now, then palpatine reappears so we do know, but people instantly think that Snoke won’t reappear. It genuinely pisses me off. I know, opinions and all that, but what good is an opinion when it make sense no sense what so ever? If people hate Snoke’s death then they are better off hating palpatine or maul’s “supposed” phantom menace death/disappearance
Im not saying we need every detail about everything ever about Snoke. What I am saying is, he has no backstory about his rise to power, which is what is missing from him. Im not saying we need to know his parents, and siblings, and how he grew up, and what he was like when he was younger. What Im saying is he very much needed background about how he created the First Order. And again, Im not saying Luke is able to sense everything about Snoke, but I doubt he thought everything was just peachy. He knew Snoke was tempting Kylo for a good while and didnt really bother to do anything with Snoke. So its not like Luke wasn't aware of Snoke's existence, it seems he just didnt do anything even before the Jedi Temple destruction. (by existence I dont mean he was "feeling him in the force" I literally mean he had to have been mentally aware of Snoke and the First Order.)
Again BB-8 is a minor support character, R2-D2 was far more major. And this is another thing, not every character does need background, but they all need some. Like I said, we know where BB-8 is from, what he does, we know what his character is like. To put it simply, he isn't that important to the plot as a character. The most important thing he does is hold the map. And that is his purpose. We can't compare minor characters to characters that were built up to be the "big bad" for them to be poorly explained or have any purpose to the story. Snoke was not built up to be minor, but it turns out he was even more minor than a character like BB-8.
Snoke force ghost is highly unlikely, even if the Sith Ghost is an interesting idea. Putting it simply, there won't be any place for it in episode 9. It would accomplish nothing for the plot.
Again, we are given background about the Emperor, Im not sure why you arnt getting this. Sure we dont know the exact details on how he seduced Darth Vader, but we do know that he was why there is an Empire, and we know he is responsible for Darth Vader. The audience knows that there was an event in the past which lead to this happening. In these sequels, there is not a mention at all about any type of event that lead to the first order, and that is the whole issue. There could be just a single line, explaining anything about how they came to be, but there isnt. It just is left completely unexplained. Im not going to act like the original trilogy briefly mentioning the past is the best way to describe the Emperor and the Empire and all that, but atleast that world building effort is there explaining one of the biggest parts of the entire story. The sequels have none. Its just, "The first order is here! I dont know where they came from but thats ok!" I dont doubt Snoke wont appear in a Tv show or book, I am saying I find that to be a poor excuse for not explaining it properly in the correct media, being the movies.
Again, it was the end of the trilogy. This is more of a story writing issue. Return of the Jedi was the conclusion. All of this happens at the end. What happened in Last Jedi is in the middle. Now the sequel trilogy is just a mess. What even is Kylo's motive? Like I said earlier, he kills Snoke but he doesnt actually change. He is still doing the same shit. Emperor's death worked at the end because we knew who he was and his motives. We dont really learn what Snoke's were. And that's just the issue.
And yeah opinions are kinda dumb, cuz no one can ever really change them, kinda like how I can change yours and you cant change mine I guess lmao. Theres nothing wrong with liking the movie btw, to be honest most of my gripes with it are more of story telling issues rather than it being a Star Wars film.