I don't get this argument. Either the fetus does have a right to life simply by being human, or it does not have a right to life for simply being human. If it does have a right to life for being human then how does is being the result of rape somehow nullify this right to life? Does the emotional turmoil of a rape in and of itself justify this killing? If so, the fetal life must not mean all that much, does it?
I'm anti-abortion and I'm pro-life and if there's a rape then yeah you should abort,but if there's no rape and you want to abort a baby then it really is worth not to abort at all.
So kind of i think that's my stance is already on this.
We had a movement there in France against abortion called the "survivors", because they literally consider themself as survivors. They claim… more they have a fucking trauma because their brothers were killed (they don't even necessarily had their mother practicing abortion, they just consider embryo as their brothers).
You've got to be fragile af to think that way.
I'm for abortion as the law permits it; meaning as long as it's made on an embryo/foetus not developped enough.
Billions of billions of spermatozoon die every hour, people will soon forbid ejaculation outside marital duty..
"The problem with the father part is that we're not the ones going through months of pain and discomfort to bring the child into this world."
That doesn't matter. Without us men, women wouldn't be able to have children, and visa-versa. So that child is every much ours, as it is the mother in question.
The problem with the father part is that we're not the ones going through months of pain and discomfort to bring the child into this world. … more Midnight runs for pickles and ice cream isn't exactly on par. That said, I do agree that it would be preferable to have a say. I would want one, but I don't think we should "have to" have one.
Wait, people think an embryo is more important than a teenage girl's life?
And men are trying to tell women what to do?
What's next, O… morebama is making the decisions for Trump? (that wouldn't be so bad, actually...)
Personally, my stance is it's fine. Sure the embryo would grow up to be a human some day, but if the woman is willing to abort the embryo, then she'd probably not raise it if she couldn't. Most likely send the baby to a foster home. And do we really need more homeless babies on our planet? Food supply can't keep up with the human population; face it, population control is going to be necessary at some point.
I'm just saying that if rape happens and there's a chance she is pregnant then she need to abort it,but if someone who has a baby and 3 weeks due? Then wants to abort it then no I'm against it and you should have the baby and I don't like abortions but if it's for women having a abortion after take then you can abort it before it becomes fetus and I'm pro-life and I want to see babies born into this life of a world we live in.
I don't get this argument. Either the fetus does have a right to life simply by being human, or it does not have a right to life for simply … morebeing human. If it does have a right to life for being human then how does is being the result of rape somehow nullify this right to life? Does the emotional turmoil of a rape in and of itself justify this killing? If so, the fetal life must not mean all that much, does it?
ABORT THEM ALL! ABORT ALL THE BABIES! YOU GET AN ABORTION, YOU GET AN ABORTION, EVERYONE GETS AN ABORTION!!!
LMFAO but in all seriousness, who gives a fuck. it's their fucking bodies so i dont give a shit. i mean, sure, does that mean that i just support these women just aborting "babies" left and right every time they get pregnant? fuck no, i really think there should like a two abortion limit.. i mean thats kinda fucked up just aborting the future kids, but i really dont think that would healthy.. i dont see what sane person would want to have more than one abortion, or one at all (FUCK Lena Dunham). and i also think that there should be like a limit on how far along the pregnancy is. i really dont think that it should be any longer than, like, 9-10 weeks. after that well, youre shit outta luck cuz at that time that shit is an actual baby.
This isn't about men wanting to control what women do, and I've never heard anyone speak out against abortion because they're misogynist. If men can't have an opinion on abortion, then neither should women who have never been pregnant, seeing as the entire basis for the 'men can't talk about it' argument is that men don't know what it's like to be pregnant.
Wait, people think an embryo is more important than a teenage girl's life?
And men are trying to tell women what to do?
What's next, O… morebama is making the decisions for Trump? (that wouldn't be so bad, actually...)
Personally, my stance is it's fine. Sure the embryo would grow up to be a human some day, but if the woman is willing to abort the embryo, then she'd probably not raise it if she couldn't. Most likely send the baby to a foster home. And do we really need more homeless babies on our planet? Food supply can't keep up with the human population; face it, population control is going to be necessary at some point.
Morally, it's definitely wrong, killing innocent life forms that never got to experience life, but then again, animals, plants, insects and so on and so forth are killed on a daily basis and few people seem to care about them just because they aren't human and we use them for consumption (kind of makes 'pro-life' sound contradictory), which is one of the reasons why I'm personally pro-choice but I can also understand the reasons and circumstances behind abortions and although I don't necessarily agree with them, it is not my decision to make and I won't be the one living with the consequences.
I support it. It's the mother's thing if she wants to keep the child or not. Like, if I get pregnant now with my low age (I'm 15) I would absolutely do an abortion, no matter what other people say, because it would ruin my life. I know It's different by adults, but seriously, if the woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy then leave her alone with it.
I'm just saying it feels counter-intuitive if men try to prevent women from having abortion. Yes, you can absolutely have an opinion on it, but trying to shame women for aborting is unfair.
This isn't about men wanting to control what women do, and I've never heard anyone speak out against abortion because they're misogynist. If… more men can't have an opinion on abortion, then neither should women who have never been pregnant, seeing as the entire basis for the 'men can't talk about it' argument is that men don't know what it's like to be pregnant.
Well, I mean, our diet mainly is plant-based, so it's not exactly our fault for having to "kill" some. Although deforestation definitely is our fault and is awful.
But for animals, yeah I agree. If you're pro-life, we need to focus on actual beings, not undeveloped fetuses. It seems silly to compare an embryo's life to the importance of a human or animal's life.
Are we gonna start punishing women for miscarriages now?
Morally, it's definitely wrong, killing innocent life forms that never got to experience life, but then again, animals, plants, insects and … moreso on and so forth are killed on a daily basis and few people seem to care about them just because they aren't human and we use them for consumption (kind of makes 'pro-life' sound contradictory), which is one of the reasons why I'm personally pro-choice but I can also understand the reasons and circumstances behind abortions and although I don't necessarily agree with them, it is not my decision to make and I won't be the one living with the consequences.
And if her baby is the product of rape, while it is tragic that she went through that; something no person-period should ever have to go through, that still doesn't make having an abortion right.
I don't agree with giving up on a pregnancy because of parents having too many children, or it was unplanned, or will get in the way of a career etc. But if it will cause mental damage, or they were raped; if it makes a person give up on their life, or they're still a god damn child themselves...I'm sorry, I choose them. Otherwise it's both lives lost, not just one.
Besides, if God's a straight up guy or gal, those unborn will get a second chance someplace else.
I knew an absolute scum-sucking piece of shit that aborted her baby after her boyfriend was extremely hopefully about the news of a little baby on the way WITHOUT talking with him about it... on her second trimester.
Although I'm all for women doing what they will with their body, we're never told that sometimes it's used as a selfish and completely unreasonable approach to simply duck-out of responsibility.
Last I heard, that man is now an alcoholic and lives in an apartment with 4 drug addicts barely making rent.
I knew an absolute scum-sucking piece of shit that aborted her baby after her boyfriend was extremely hopefully about the news of a little b… moreaby on the way WITHOUT talking with him about it... on her second trimester.
Although I'm all for women doing what they will with their body, we're never told that sometimes it's used as a selfish and completely unreasonable approach to simply duck-out of responsibility.
Last I heard, that man is now an alcoholic and lives in an apartment with 4 drug addicts barely making rent.
Middle fingers to that cunt.
Morally, it's definitely wrong, killing innocent life forms that never got to experience life, but then again, animals, plants, insects and … moreso on and so forth are killed on a daily basis and few people seem to care about them just because they aren't human and we use them for consumption (kind of makes 'pro-life' sound contradictory), which is one of the reasons why I'm personally pro-choice but I can also understand the reasons and circumstances behind abortions and although I don't necessarily agree with them, it is not my decision to make and I won't be the one living with the consequences.
And if her baby is the product of rape, while it is tragic that she went through that; something no person-period should ever have to go thr… moreough, that still doesn't make having an abortion right.
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Prosecutors say they will wait for a 12-year-old girl allegedly impregnated by her 17-year-old brother to recover from an abortion before seeking to bring charges against him.
Mexican rape victim, 13, denied access to abortion
Health officials in northern Mexico have refused to authorize an abortion for a 13-year-old girl who was raped by a family acquaintance after a judge downgraded the crime to a charge of sexual coercion. Since May 2015, Gire has represented 14 rape victims who were denied access to a safe abortion, including a 10-year-old girl in the state of Tabasco. In this latest case, the attack was reported to police just hours after it took place at the girl’s home on 2 May. She was not offered em… [view original content]
Wait, people think an embryo is more important than a teenage girl's life?
And men are trying to tell women what to do?
What's next, O… morebama is making the decisions for Trump? (that wouldn't be so bad, actually...)
Personally, my stance is it's fine. Sure the embryo would grow up to be a human some day, but if the woman is willing to abort the embryo, then she'd probably not raise it if she couldn't. Most likely send the baby to a foster home. And do we really need more homeless babies on our planet? Food supply can't keep up with the human population; face it, population control is going to be necessary at some point.
I'm sure he wasn't.
I'm sure him peeing with the toilet seat down justifies her robbing his chance to bear fruit cause the cunt couldn't handle some stretch marks.
Great mentality.
Pro-"choice" is the most hypocritical position I've ever heard of. It's easy to be pro-"choice" because your mother "chose" not to murder you, which she had a legal right to do as long as you were in her belly. Let's get rid of this "choice" crap and admit that abortion is legalized murder of a baby.
Wait, people think an embryo is more important than a teenage girl's life?
And men are trying to tell women what to do?
What's next, O… morebama is making the decisions for Trump? (that wouldn't be so bad, actually...)
Personally, my stance is it's fine. Sure the embryo would grow up to be a human some day, but if the woman is willing to abort the embryo, then she'd probably not raise it if she couldn't. Most likely send the baby to a foster home. And do we really need more homeless babies on our planet? Food supply can't keep up with the human population; face it, population control is going to be necessary at some point.
Pro-"choice" is the most hypocritical position I've ever heard of. It's easy to be pro-"choice" because your mother "chose" not to murder yo… moreu, which she had a legal right to do as long as you were in her belly. Let's get rid of this "choice" crap and admit that abortion is legalized murder of a baby.
I consider the chicken I am eating right now as something that was more of a living feeling thing than a little blob in someone's uterus. Really late into a pregnancy I can understand the argument, early however, yes it absolutely baffles me. Ok no more I'm not on this site for political arguments!
I'd personally never have an abortion. I'd have the baby, raise it & give it as much love as humanely possible. However, I believe every woman has a right to make that decision for herself. A woman should always have 100% say over her own body at all times. I'm definitely more pro-choice on the matter of abortion.
IT'S NOT KILLING! IT'S NOT ALIVE! IT'S A FUCKING BLOBBY THING THAT IS NOT ALIVE!
Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against babies. but i've seen a lot of people saying that they are "killing" a human being, when the baby isn't even alive (at least in the early stage of pregnancy).
Still , i think that a mother has to choose weather to have a baby or not. Imagine that she does not wants to have the baby and forcer to, then whe could give it to an orphanage, or she could not love him, hell, she may not even have the money to give him a propper life
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I'm pro-life all the way, why would you want to kill a baby?
I don't get this argument. Either the fetus does have a right to life simply by being human, or it does not have a right to life for simply being human. If it does have a right to life for being human then how does is being the result of rape somehow nullify this right to life? Does the emotional turmoil of a rape in and of itself justify this killing? If so, the fetal life must not mean all that much, does it?
Comparing a growing fetus to sperm in nonsensical, especially from a biological standpoint.
"The problem with the father part is that we're not the ones going through months of pain and discomfort to bring the child into this world."
That doesn't matter. Without us men, women wouldn't be able to have children, and visa-versa. So that child is every much ours, as it is the mother in question.
For the harvest of course.
Such delectable and tender meats.
I don't see why you have to bring up the president in a very slanted way in a thread like this
I'm just saying that if rape happens and there's a chance she is pregnant then she need to abort it,but if someone who has a baby and 3 weeks due? Then wants to abort it then no I'm against it and you should have the baby and I don't like abortions but if it's for women having a abortion after take then you can abort it before it becomes fetus and I'm pro-life and I want to see babies born into this life of a world we live in.
Yeah I'm pro-life too
ABORT THEM ALL! ABORT ALL THE BABIES! YOU GET AN ABORTION, YOU GET AN ABORTION, EVERYONE GETS AN ABORTION!!!
LMFAO but in all seriousness, who gives a fuck. it's their fucking bodies so i dont give a shit. i mean, sure, does that mean that i just support these women just aborting "babies" left and right every time they get pregnant? fuck no, i really think there should like a two abortion limit.. i mean thats kinda fucked up just aborting the future kids, but i really dont think that would healthy.. i dont see what sane person would want to have more than one abortion, or one at all (FUCK Lena Dunham). and i also think that there should be like a limit on how far along the pregnancy is. i really dont think that it should be any longer than, like, 9-10 weeks. after that well, youre shit outta luck cuz at that time that shit is an actual baby.
so yeah, them my thoughts.
that's why it was in parenthesis because it was not important
This isn't about men wanting to control what women do, and I've never heard anyone speak out against abortion because they're misogynist. If men can't have an opinion on abortion, then neither should women who have never been pregnant, seeing as the entire basis for the 'men can't talk about it' argument is that men don't know what it's like to be pregnant.
Pro choice the other side absolutely baffles me.
Morally, it's definitely wrong, killing innocent life forms that never got to experience life, but then again, animals, plants, insects and so on and so forth are killed on a daily basis and few people seem to care about them just because they aren't human and we use them for consumption (kind of makes 'pro-life' sound contradictory), which is one of the reasons why I'm personally pro-choice but I can also understand the reasons and circumstances behind abortions and although I don't necessarily agree with them, it is not my decision to make and I won't be the one living with the consequences.
I support it. It's the mother's thing if she wants to keep the child or not. Like, if I get pregnant now with my low age (I'm 15) I would absolutely do an abortion, no matter what other people say, because it would ruin my life. I know It's different by adults, but seriously, if the woman doesn't want to go through a pregnancy then leave her alone with it.
I'm just saying it feels counter-intuitive if men try to prevent women from having abortion. Yes, you can absolutely have an opinion on it, but trying to shame women for aborting is unfair.
They shouldn't be allowed. They should give it up for adoption after birth. Everyone deserves a chance to live.
Well, I mean, our diet mainly is plant-based, so it's not exactly our fault for having to "kill" some. Although deforestation definitely is our fault and is awful.
But for animals, yeah I agree. If you're pro-life, we need to focus on actual beings, not undeveloped fetuses. It seems silly to compare an embryo's life to the importance of a human or animal's life.
Are we gonna start punishing women for miscarriages now?
12-Year-Old Girl Has Abortion
Prosecutors say they will wait for a 12-year-old girl allegedly impregnated by her 17-year-old brother to recover from an abortion before seeking to bring charges against him.
Mexican rape victim, 13, denied access to abortion
Health officials in northern Mexico have refused to authorize an abortion for a 13-year-old girl who was raped by a family acquaintance after a judge downgraded the crime to a charge of sexual coercion. Since May 2015, Gire has represented 14 rape victims who were denied access to a safe abortion, including a 10-year-old girl in the state of Tabasco. In this latest case, the attack was reported to police just hours after it took place at the girl’s home on 2 May. She was not offered emergency contraception services, according to Gire.
Refugee denied abortion in Australia after rape on Nauru
The young African refugee, known in court documents lodged with the Federal Court of Australia as S99, was reportedly raped while suffering from an epileptic seizure while staying on Nauru as a resettled refugee. According to Fairfax, she is now nine weeks pregnant and is seeking an abortion on mainland Australia. The woman is not believed to have received any ongoing psychological care and has reportedly attempted suicide.
Rape, abortion ban drives pregnant teens to suicide in El Salvador
SAN SALVADOR (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - El Salvador's ban on abortion is driving hundreds of girls who become pregnant after being raped to commit suicide every year because they see no other option, a government official said. Teenage pregnancy is one of the leading causes of suicide in the Central American country of 6 million people. Three out of eight maternal deaths in El Salvador are the result of suicide among pregnant girls under 19, latest government figures show. Many of these girls have not only suffered sexual abuse at the hands of relatives, stepfathers or gang members, but they are also often silenced and prevented from seeking help by the stigma surrounding rape. On top of that, they face the unwelcome prospect of giving birth to an unwanted baby due to El Salvador's total ban on abortion even in cases of rape, incest, a deformed fetus or when the women's life is in danger, campaigners say.
I don't agree with giving up on a pregnancy because of parents having too many children, or it was unplanned, or will get in the way of a career etc. But if it will cause mental damage, or they were raped; if it makes a person give up on their life, or they're still a god damn child themselves...I'm sorry, I choose them. Otherwise it's both lives lost, not just one.
Besides, if God's a straight up guy or gal, those unborn will get a second chance someplace else.
I knew an absolute scum-sucking piece of shit that aborted her baby after her boyfriend was extremely hopefully about the news of a little baby on the way WITHOUT talking with him about it... on her second trimester.
Although I'm all for women doing what they will with their body, we're never told that sometimes it's used as a selfish and completely unreasonable approach to simply duck-out of responsibility.
Last I heard, that man is now an alcoholic and lives in an apartment with 4 drug addicts barely making rent.
Middle fingers to that cunt.
It baffles you? So you see no problem in killing living things?
I am sure he was a clean cut paragon of human kindness before.
I'm sure he wasn't.
I'm sure him peeing with the toilet seat down justifies her robbing his chance to bear fruit cause the cunt couldn't handle some stretch marks.
Great mentality.
It's probably because humans care more about other humans.
Yeah, those cases are so tragic.. Poor girls...
You have a meat pencil? Shut up.
I am sure that there is probably two sides to the story...but hey perhaps she was just a bitch.
There's always two sides to a story... but sometimes the second side is fucking shit and should be spat on.
Pro-"choice" is the most hypocritical position I've ever heard of. It's easy to be pro-"choice" because your mother "chose" not to murder you, which she had a legal right to do as long as you were in her belly. Let's get rid of this "choice" crap and admit that abortion is legalized murder of a baby.
Its just an embryo man. anyway I'm not getting into a pointless argument about it. because no one is changing anyones mind.
I support pro choice.
Took you seriously until that.
I mean, an embryo IS alive but whatever. I just don't see why you can't see why there is a whole other side. There's pros and cons for both.
....huh?
Sorry you don't agree with me...
embryo*
To be fair, I agree with everything but that.
No shit sherlock!
It's almost the same nonsense for comparing an embryo/early foetus to a human born, which a lot of people do in that thread.
I consider the chicken I am eating right now as something that was more of a living feeling thing than a little blob in someone's uterus. Really late into a pregnancy I can understand the argument, early however, yes it absolutely baffles me. Ok no more I'm not on this site for political arguments!
I'd personally never have an abortion. I'd have the baby, raise it & give it as much love as humanely possible. However, I believe every woman has a right to make that decision for herself. A woman should always have 100% say over her own body at all times. I'm definitely more pro-choice on the matter of abortion.
IT'S NOT KILLING! IT'S NOT ALIVE! IT'S A FUCKING BLOBBY THING THAT IS NOT ALIVE!
Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against babies. but i've seen a lot of people saying that they are "killing" a human being, when the baby isn't even alive (at least in the early stage of pregnancy).
Still , i think that a mother has to choose weather to have a baby or not. Imagine that she does not wants to have the baby and forcer to, then whe could give it to an orphanage, or she could not love him, hell, she may not even have the money to give him a propper life
Sorry 4 my english