moralkaan, don't be an idiot. Telltale are a great company. To be a successful company you must keep your customers happy, produce products people want to buy, and keep costs down. Yes, this sound problem is significant and should have been resolved ages ago, but Telltale do care about their games and the licenses they're based on. To accuse them of being money-grabbing profiteers is just stupid.
Maybe we should start a petition? A single thread asking TTG to fix the problem and allow larger downloads, where people would just write a word "second the petition"? If we get at least a hundred voices they won't be able to ignore us. (Well, they might, but the silence would tell us everything we would need to know)
Agreed, as much as I hate valiant fanboy defenders, accusing Telltale of moneygrabbing and delivering a shoddy product that'll sell on the name alone is absolutely nonsensical, and detrimental against getting someone from Telltale to seriously address this issue other than "It just compresses badly." I mean, I wouldn't want to seriously address the complaints of a bunch of overreacting whingers who accused me of moneygrabbing either. Also, calling the fix 'simple' and suggesting that it'll only take "30mb more" to get great sound is a nonsensical claim to make unless you're working AT Telltale and are aware of the whole sound process there.
Nonetheless, I think the fact that this thread is already on page 9 and nearly all the posts are from people who are also unhappy with it warrants some further attention from TTG. Of course, it already did 3 years ago when Sam & Max came out, but...
Maybe we should start a petition? A single thread asking TTG to fix the problem and allow larger downloads, where people would just write a word "second the petition"? If we get at least a hundred voices they won't be able to ignore us. (Well, they might, but the silence would tell us everything we would need to know)
We already have a petition thread that saw the light of day when Screaming Narwhal was released.
Though its one of the most popular threads on the 'ToMI General Discussion' Forum, Telltale have completely ignored it officially.
When I first created that thread, 60% of the replies were pro- less compression, and 40% were like "stop complaining and be happy".
After the release of episode 2, the pro- less compression people went more in the heights of 90% of the replies. Now, I'm no professor in mathematics, but I believe that this is saying something.
moralkaan, don't be an idiot. Telltale are a great company. To be a successful company you must keep your customers happy,
Well, I'm not happy since Sam and Max and I dont think that Telltale is a good company. With the first episode of Monkey Island, I though Telltale really made it this time, but with the second episode they done it again. They again successfully killed a game...
Well, I'm not happy since Sam and Max and I dont think that Telltale is a good company. With the first episode of Monkey Island, I though Telltale really made it this time, but with the second episode they done it again. They again successfully killed a game...
Thats taking it a little too far, don't you think?
That's a shame, but they did try and most people thought they did a pretty good job with their licenses. It's unfortunate you don't agree. I suggest you stop buying their games.
Thats taking it a little too far, don't you think?
Not for me. Monkey Island has a very special place to me.
That's a shame, but they did try and most people thought they did a pretty good job with their licenses. It's unfortunate you don't agree. I suggest you stop buying their games.
It's pretty bad when people say to rush through that one part where the sound is extremely bad, but rest of the episode is "passable". Such a high quality game shouldn't have "passable" sound quality especially when they have the possibility to offer the great sound quality. Sorry to say but it's a bit hard to enjoy a game that has pretty much two things going on (talking to characters and solving puzzles) and one of them is screwed over in favor of slightly smaller download size.
Such a fan of the series and I think these Telltale episodes are up there with the best Monkey Island games but why do you ruin the experience with the voice quality? I just can't understand the reasons behind this.
edit: And just wanted to add, I barely noticed the sound quality with my Logitech 5500 speakers but it's obvious and very distracting with any decent headphones.
Is Telltale even listening to us. I can't imagine this issue can be that difficult to patch...
As Will (I think it was Will...) explained in another thread, a patch is out of the question, realistically. It would involve them sitting down and going through the whole of episode 2 again, line by line.
So as unpleasant as Chapter 2 was to play through, (and based largely on guesswork thanks to a complete lack of input from TT) I would say that's how it's staying. What this thread has hopefully done is make TT realise that not only is this state of affairs not acceptable in future projects, but also that their customers aren't the tone deaf plonkers they took us for.
As Will (I think it was Will...) explained in another thread, a patch is out of the question, realistically. It would involve them sitting down and going through the whole of episode 2 again, line by line.
Well, as far as I understand, TTG is planning to continue supplying a product unsuitable for my ears. I decided I will never ever buy a TellTale game.
As far as my experience goes with running a company and satisfying consumer demands - as far as clients are displeased but continue consuming the product the situation is satisfactory (or actually, even above satisfactory, it's worse when a product is good, but doesn't sell).
It's normal, it's business. If you think it isn't all about the money, think again.
Duping the client is ok, as long as he does nothing about it. I used this knowledge myself too often, not to realise when the same thing is being done to me. There's a good trader's saying: there always a fool in the market. if you don't know, who the fool is, it is most likely to be YOU.
Well, except of course that they still have to re-playtest every single line of dialog. I think that's a pretty good excuse. Playtesting isn't cheap.
Dropping new audio in the DVD probably won't happen, but I still have hopes for Episode 3 at least being on the same level as Episode 1. The sound was fine there, for me.
Well, except of course that they still have to re-playtest every single line of dialog. I think that's a pretty good excuse. Playtesting isn't cheap.
Dropping new audio in the DVD probably won't happen, but I still have hopes for Episode 3 at least being on the same level as Episode 1. The sound was fine there, for me.
If you knew how to solve the puzzles, you could speed-run Chapter 2 in under an hour and make sure all the audio sounded OK. I can't imagine the audio in question sounds that different outside the game than in the game, so really its just the handful of lines that take place on Spinner Cay.
Yep, works like a charm. You can even install it straight over your existing installation and keep your save games.
I haven't tried the royal chamber, because my save game was past that point, but the merfolk are immediately and noticeably cured of the ear piercing affliction.
I haven't tried the royal chamber, because my save game was past that point, but the merfolk are immediately and noticeably cured of the ear piercing affliction.
Here's a save game of the beginning at the royal chamber.
Yeah, Elaine's voice is much better now. As with the first chapter, it's still not what I would call good sound quality, but it's certainly no longer detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.
I'm guessing it was something as simple as a cock up with the files, PC users getting the Wii voices by mistake.
So glad I stumbled on this topic! The static in Elaine's voice was extremely noticable to me, to the point where I actually had to stop playing for a bit because it was starting to get on my nerves (and I am not usually one to be bothered by this sort of thing). I did of course power through it later, but it still really bothered me. Glad to see the issue is fixed! I'll have to redownload this tonight
I just finished this episode and I was going to say that my only gripe was the sound. However, this update has fixed that issue! Thank you for listening to the fans!
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Nonetheless, I think the fact that this thread is already on page 9 and nearly all the posts are from people who are also unhappy with it warrants some further attention from TTG. Of course, it already did 3 years ago when Sam & Max came out, but...
We already have a petition thread that saw the light of day when Screaming Narwhal was released.
Though its one of the most popular threads on the 'ToMI General Discussion' Forum, Telltale have completely ignored it officially.
When I first created that thread, 60% of the replies were pro- less compression, and 40% were like "stop complaining and be happy".
After the release of episode 2, the pro- less compression people went more in the heights of 90% of the replies. Now, I'm no professor in mathematics, but I believe that this is saying something.
Well, I'm not happy since Sam and Max and I dont think that Telltale is a good company. With the first episode of Monkey Island, I though Telltale really made it this time, but with the second episode they done it again. They again successfully killed a game...
Thats taking it a little too far, don't you think?
Not for me. Monkey Island has a very special place to me.
Yes i thnik thats the best to do...
Such a fan of the series and I think these Telltale episodes are up there with the best Monkey Island games but why do you ruin the experience with the voice quality? I just can't understand the reasons behind this.
edit: And just wanted to add, I barely noticed the sound quality with my Logitech 5500 speakers but it's obvious and very distracting with any decent headphones.
As Will (I think it was Will...) explained in another thread, a patch is out of the question, realistically. It would involve them sitting down and going through the whole of episode 2 again, line by line.
So as unpleasant as Chapter 2 was to play through, (and based largely on guesswork thanks to a complete lack of input from TT) I would say that's how it's staying. What this thread has hopefully done is make TT realise that not only is this state of affairs not acceptable in future projects, but also that their customers aren't the tone deaf plonkers they took us for.
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=90226&postcount=33
As far as my experience goes with running a company and satisfying consumer demands - as far as clients are displeased but continue consuming the product the situation is satisfactory (or actually, even above satisfactory, it's worse when a product is good, but doesn't sell).
It's normal, it's business. If you think it isn't all about the money, think again.
Duping the client is ok, as long as he does nothing about it. I used this knowledge myself too often, not to realise when the same thing is being done to me. There's a good trader's saying: there always a fool in the market. if you don't know, who the fool is, it is most likely to be YOU.
Well, except of course that they still have to re-playtest every single line of dialog. I think that's a pretty good excuse. Playtesting isn't cheap.
Dropping new audio in the DVD probably won't happen, but I still have hopes for Episode 3 at least being on the same level as Episode 1. The sound was fine there, for me.
If you knew how to solve the puzzles, you could speed-run Chapter 2 in under an hour and make sure all the audio sounded OK. I can't imagine the audio in question sounds that different outside the game than in the game, so really its just the handful of lines that take place on Spinner Cay.
No. That's not how playtesting works.
The team's just uploaded an updated version of Tales of Monkey Island Chapter 2.
Those that have experienced audio issues will find improvements here.
You can get it from the same location:
http://www.telltalegames.com/download/siegeofspinnercay
This is replacing the prior version and becomes the standard game download version going forward.
Best,
- Joel, Telltale
Thankyou Telltale!
I won't be able to check it for 12 more hours ((
Can anyone say, whether it worked?
Downloading now, I'll tell you in two minutes.
I haven't tried the royal chamber, because my save game was past that point, but the merfolk are immediately and noticeably cured of the ear piercing affliction.
Here's a save game of the beginning at the royal chamber.
Well, it's not like it is that difficult to get to the royal chamber...maybe 3-4 minutes worth of playing? ))
Yeah, Elaine's voice is much better now. As with the first chapter, it's still not what I would call good sound quality, but it's certainly no longer detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.
I'm guessing it was something as simple as a cock up with the files, PC users getting the Wii voices by mistake.
Looks like the voices are significantly less compressed
2_MonkeyIsland102_pc_voice.ttarch
old: 15.890.492 Bytes
new: 45.189.529 Bytes
Further this bug is gone for me.
Oh awesome. I was actually wondering about that.
If you know the reason you could check "Wallace and Gromit - The Last Resort" for it. Besides me i only found two people who posted about it though.
Excellent, does this mean further chapters of the game will have less compressed voices too?
Geeze, I would imagine so. I doubt anyone wants to go through this drama again!
Cant wait to try it out.
I believe if you restart steam it should update. If not now, then sometime tomorrow, as I'm pretty sure we've sent them a new build.