I didn't make the claim. I heard it. When I see the movie, I might completely change my mind. Still, the amount of similarities are striking. Oh and the very opening shot of Leo is noticeably similar to the very opening shot of The Rescuers Down Under.
Oh and the very opening shot of Leo is noticeably similar to the very opening shot of The Rescuers Down Under.
Yeah, but the thing to bear in mind here is that while Jungle Emperor Leo is based on a manga from the 60s, it wasn't actually made until 1997, after both Rescuers Down Under and the Lion King. So while there might be similarities in the story, you can't really say that Disney ripped off the cinematography. ETA: Though I admit that there are some very similar poses that Disney has used in the Lion King.
Also, while I won't deny that there are similarities, one of the main differences between Lion King and Jungle Emperor Leo/Kimba the White Lion is the role that humans play. Lion King has no human presence whatsoever, but there's several important human characters and villains in Jungle Emperor and Kimba. In Kimba the animals can even talk with the humans. (this was going to be in Jungle Emperor as well because it's in the manga version, but got removed)
Fair enough, but similarly Quasimodo doesn't kill Frollo himself, Esmerelda doesn't die, and Quasimodo doesn't starve to death in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. I doubt death by plague would have made it into The Lion King.
Lion King may not be a rip-off, but it does have a lot of similarities to Kimba, hell just the protagonist names have a similarity already. The old concept art of the Lion King or the slip-up of calling Simba "Kimba" in an interview can't be coincidence. I don't mind if it shares some of its spirit, after all, anime borrowed a lot from American animation back in the day and still does, and we also borrow from anime. The only thing I found kind of messed up is that Disney denies it was ever even at least inspired by it, but whatevs.
Hah, the only thing Hunchback has in common with the original book is the names of the characters. Clopin didn't get to slaughter mounted soldiers with a scythe either.
Though they did make an entirely accurate adaptation of The Little Match Girl, so freezing to death is just peachy.
ETA: 'Simba' is actually the Swahili word for 'lion', which is why Disney used it. It's also the name for the werelion race in one of the RPGs I play, so now there's always sniggers when you talk about 'killing Simba' in the game.
ETA: 'Simba' is actually the Swahili word for 'lion', which is why Disney used it. It's also the name for the werelion race in one of the RPGs I play, so now there's always sniggers when you talk about 'killing Simba' in the game.
And "Kimba" wasn't called Simba only because there was some rights issue. Was it a beer or something? I can't really remember, but something was using the name Simba and so they changed a letter to avoid potential legal problems.
Just accepted it, and I mean the harsh comment in a joking fashion, probably should have included an emote. I never really get my meaning across online all that well.
He's kind of a jerk and I don't agree with his opinions, but his knowledge on animation is fabulous.
Haha, exactly!
Though, I think that people misunderstood him for only caring about animation and not writing. When he's commenting on some stuff, it's mostly about the animation, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about the writing as well. I heard somewhere that he once claimed that South Park is the funniest thing on TV. The thing is, he's an animator, so he mostly talks only about the animation.
That said, his OWN writing skills aren't that good, which shows in the Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon, which was expertly animated, but the writing was just mediocre. I liked Ripping Friends, but I quickly grew out of Ren and Stimpy when I was young, and APC didn't change my mind.
I also don't like how close-minded he is about animation styles. It's like, "Animation is only good if it's done like Looney Tunes".
So, how about Adult Swim? What do you guys think about it?
Ever since the Moral Orel cancellation and the reasoning behind it, Adult Swim has been a real sore spot for me, personally. During the final season, I loved that show.
John K? I hope you guys dont get angry at me but I'm friends with John K. The only reason on how I see it, why people hate him is because he bashed on tiny toons and animanics(even bitching it takes it too far, its HIS FREAKING opinion). Dont like it? then move on! APC I had a mixed bag on(but I did laugh my lungs out on Ralph bakshi being the fire chief though). Speaking of Ralph. He and John K were going to do a film called Bobby's girl but it didnt get off the ground.
As for Adult swim. Adult swim makes the poorest choices for entertainment. I hate robot chicken(I even made a video about it on my youtube account). And the most of the stuff they serve is garbage. Superjail is one of the ONLY good things on that channel. And they did the inexcusable. Canceling Korgoth over crap. Who made this poor choice is way beyond me on what would have been an awesome show that would change my views on Adult swim.
Yes, when he expresses his opinions about things such as why all 3D animation is crap, he does so in a very arrogant and pretentious way. His replies to people that disagree with him aren't different either.
As for Adult swim. Adult swim makes the poorest choices for entertainment. I hate robot chicken(I even made a video about it on my youtube account). And the most of the stuff they serve is garbage. Superjail is one of the ONLY good things on that channel. And they did the inexcusable. Canceling Korgoth over crap. Who made this poor choice is way beyond me on what would have been an awesome show that would change my views on Adult swim.
No love for Venture Bros?
I like Adult Swim shows, and the reason is the same why I like most American cartoons; variety. Almost every single American animated show have different drawing and animation styles. That's also the reason I don't watch that much anime (not hate, mind you, just not that interested), is that they all kinda look the same to me.
That's also the reason I don't watch that much anime (not hate, mind you, just not that interested), is that they all kinda look the same to me.
While there certainly is a lot more uniformity when it comes to Japanese animation styles, the full stylistic range doesn't generally get represented in the somewhat homogeneous choices of the modern American anime market.
One show that has recently blown me away stylistically(and certainly in other ways as well) was The Tatami Galaxy.
While there certainly is a lot more uniformity when it comes to Japanese animation styles, the full stylistic range doesn't generally get represented in the somewhat homogeneous choices of the modern American anime market.
I agree. And if there's one thing anime has done (more) that American cartoons hasn't is leaving the demographic comfort zone.
In the case of American cartoons, there are only a handful of those aimed toward adults compared to those aimed at children, and they are treated like two different categories, as well as their audience. While in the case of anime, one series can be aimed towards both children and adults.
I mean, American adult cartoons are mostly "adult" because of their use of crass humor and violence, instead of depth and subject, which can be applied more universally to the audience. There are shows like The Simpsons and South Park who deliver the depth and subject, but most shows, like Drawn Together, are just shallow stuff that think the word "adult" means "stuff kids aren't allowed to see". I'm not saying that adult animated shows with only crass humor are bad (except for Drawn Together, which I never find funny), I just wish that American adult cartoons can go beyond that.
Well, that's what I observed, anyway, and I don't watch that much anime, so correct me if I'm wrong.
John K to me is a mixed bag. I'm not a fan of his cartoons(Although, he should work for playboy since he does cute girls that look good for their entertainment). But I'm just astonished on his animation knowledge. Adult swim(not a big fan of it). But has anyone seen the anime Cowboy Bebop?
Speaking of stylized anime, a show that seems to be pretty popular right now is Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt but to tell you the truth, I just don't find it funny. The animation and style is splendid to look at, of course, but it seems the jokes are just "hey look this girl's a ho and this other girl loves sweets, OH WOMEN!" and then the rest are poorly placed sex jokes and cursing. I dunno, bro.
But yes I think it's worth it for the animation, if I remove the subs I can tolerate it more. (this is the one time I'm hoping they dub an anime and actually FIX IT)
Gainax is good about having series with varied and unique art styles, but the substance sometimes...well, when I watch something it either has to entertain me or make me think and many times their shows do neither for me.
They both have their merits. I like dynamic and stylized 3D animation for example. Pixar is great and all, but sometimes the style just seems a little stiff, so for me, the stories combined with visuals are amazing, but the animation isn't as fun to watch as other 3D movies I've seen. (not the case with something like The Incredibles, Up and Wall-E though, those are pretty dynamic and stylized)
I prefer 2D animation though. It's more varied than 3D animation and the effort that it takes to make it compared to 3D animation just subconsciously amazes me more and thus makes me enjoy it more. Plus, from my experience, it's more fun to make than 3D. It's a craploads more work for sure, and somewhere in between making something you might want to kill yourself, but once you see it completed you realize it was all worth it.
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I'm currently Watching Darkwing Duck, I loved that show.
this guy has all of it.
I find it funny that you're making this claim when you haven't even seen the movie yet.
I'm actually interested in every single anime in this post, as most of it looks like its from the 80s or so.
Yeah, but the thing to bear in mind here is that while Jungle Emperor Leo is based on a manga from the 60s, it wasn't actually made until 1997, after both Rescuers Down Under and the Lion King. So while there might be similarities in the story, you can't really say that Disney ripped off the cinematography. ETA: Though I admit that there are some very similar poses that Disney has used in the Lion King.
Also, while I won't deny that there are similarities, one of the main differences between Lion King and Jungle Emperor Leo/Kimba the White Lion is the role that humans play. Lion King has no human presence whatsoever, but there's several important human characters and villains in Jungle Emperor and Kimba. In Kimba the animals can even talk with the humans. (this was going to be in Jungle Emperor as well because it's in the manga version, but got removed)
Though they did make an entirely accurate adaptation of The Little Match Girl, so freezing to death is just peachy.
ETA: 'Simba' is actually the Swahili word for 'lion', which is why Disney used it. It's also the name for the werelion race in one of the RPGs I play, so now there's always sniggers when you talk about 'killing Simba' in the game.
That user has a bunch more awesome full series, too much to list here.
Yes they were.
Some what funny, we might be able to be friends...some day...not now. Get lost.
Well, coming from a guy named doodo...
I sent you a invite...
Aw that kind of reminds me of Disneys "Atlantis" and "The Secret of Blue Water".
They are such a fun company
Just accepted it, and I mean the harsh comment in a joking fashion, probably should have included an emote. I never really get my meaning across online all that well.
He's kind of a jerk and I don't agree with his opinions, but his knowledge on animation is fabulous.
Haha, exactly!
Though, I think that people misunderstood him for only caring about animation and not writing. When he's commenting on some stuff, it's mostly about the animation, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about the writing as well. I heard somewhere that he once claimed that South Park is the funniest thing on TV. The thing is, he's an animator, so he mostly talks only about the animation.
That said, his OWN writing skills aren't that good, which shows in the Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon, which was expertly animated, but the writing was just mediocre. I liked Ripping Friends, but I quickly grew out of Ren and Stimpy when I was young, and APC didn't change my mind.
I also don't like how close-minded he is about animation styles. It's like, "Animation is only good if it's done like Looney Tunes".
So, how about Adult Swim? What do you guys think about it?
As for Adult swim. Adult swim makes the poorest choices for entertainment. I hate robot chicken(I even made a video about it on my youtube account). And the most of the stuff they serve is garbage. Superjail is one of the ONLY good things on that channel. And they did the inexcusable. Canceling Korgoth over crap. Who made this poor choice is way beyond me on what would have been an awesome show that would change my views on Adult swim.
nope
No love for Venture Bros?
I like Adult Swim shows, and the reason is the same why I like most American cartoons; variety. Almost every single American animated show have different drawing and animation styles. That's also the reason I don't watch that much anime (not hate, mind you, just not that interested), is that they all kinda look the same to me.
One show that has recently blown me away stylistically(and certainly in other ways as well) was The Tatami Galaxy.
I agree. And if there's one thing anime has done (more) that American cartoons hasn't is leaving the demographic comfort zone.
In the case of American cartoons, there are only a handful of those aimed toward adults compared to those aimed at children, and they are treated like two different categories, as well as their audience. While in the case of anime, one series can be aimed towards both children and adults.
I mean, American adult cartoons are mostly "adult" because of their use of crass humor and violence, instead of depth and subject, which can be applied more universally to the audience. There are shows like The Simpsons and South Park who deliver the depth and subject, but most shows, like Drawn Together, are just shallow stuff that think the word "adult" means "stuff kids aren't allowed to see". I'm not saying that adult animated shows with only crass humor are bad (except for Drawn Together, which I never find funny), I just wish that American adult cartoons can go beyond that.
Well, that's what I observed, anyway, and I don't watch that much anime, so correct me if I'm wrong.
But yes I think it's worth it for the animation, if I remove the subs I can tolerate it more. (this is the one time I'm hoping they dub an anime and actually FIX IT)
Gainax is good about having series with varied and unique art styles, but the substance sometimes...well, when I watch something it either has to entertain me or make me think and many times their shows do neither for me.
I prefer 2D animation though. It's more varied than 3D animation and the effort that it takes to make it compared to 3D animation just subconsciously amazes me more and thus makes me enjoy it more. Plus, from my experience, it's more fun to make than 3D. It's a craploads more work for sure, and somewhere in between making something you might want to kill yourself, but once you see it completed you realize it was all worth it.