I read a bit of that and it said something about creating an antimatter spaceship that could travel to alternate universes. That's not simple. Right now, it takes an enormous amount of power just to create antimatter hydrogen atoms. And I happen to know one of the guys who does that on a regular basis. He was my physics professor.
Edit: And you completely deleted the post I was talking about. Typical luck...
Even a helicopter needs a horizontal stabilizer. To assume that a sci-fi-esque flying saucer exists doesn't account for the need to keep it from uncontrollably spinning in circles, thereby making precise maneuvering near impossible.
To assume the saucer is alien suggests that humans wouldn't attempt to build one ourselves without the need for alien inspiration, alien templates, or existing alien technology, which I believe would be the more likely (if they did in fact exist).
And to assume that alien crafts are saucer-shaped also doesn't explain the various non-saucer-shaped patterns in supposedly alien-created crop circles.
I read a bit of that and it said something about creating an antimatter spaceship that could travel to alternate universes. That's not simple. Right now, it takes an enormous amount of power just to create antimatter hydrogen atoms. And I happen to know one of the guys who does that on a regular basis. He was my physics professor.
I don't think you're respecting the amount of security on these things. Especially if people do talk, have talked. People lack imagination, and expect me to believe their BS. UFOS are alot more simpler than that, you're reading complex things.
The basic UFO design is pretty easy to understand.
Yes, I deleted it. You people want to argue with me, that's your right. I would rather die than tip alot of people off to the technologies in this universe. I would rather DIE. No offense, research your own research...I want nothing to do with it.
I've seen fake crop circles, no where near as sophisticated or interesting as those unexplained.
It took one of our top astrophysicists to discover this meant pi, 3.14, and he did it all by himself...
What mortis is saying is that while a matter-antimatter reaction does produce enormous amounts of energy, obtaining/creating a significant enough amount of antimatter with which to power an interstellar/interdimensional craft for an extended period of time would be impractical in the extreme.
What mortis is saying is that while a matter-antimatter reaction does produce enormous amounts of energy, obtaining/creating a significant enough amount of antimatter with which to power an interstellar/interdimensional craft for an extended period of time would be impractical in the extreme.
Blah blah blah, you really think it matters? Suppose it does exist? What does it matter what you think? If it's bloody alien technology, I'm betting it's above you and me...there are theories that alien species are millions years older than you and I, I think that's alot of time to figure things out.
I don't think you either appreciate the level of security behind things, you think bases and area 51 places like that you just walk into or don't have security, secrets? If that were true you could visit it over the damn Summer and tell me what is there...
I don't think any of you are appreciating the level of security.
I love Star Trek very much. I love to debate the theories behind the on-screen application of Trek technologies. I love to imagine and wonder what it would be like for it all to be real. But to bring such ideas as transporters, antimatter-powered engines, and terrestrial visitation by alien species into conversation as though it's actually practical is just silliness.
Millions of years indeed. We've only been around for a few thousand and we may have caused irreparable damage to our own ecosystem. I'm not sure that an alien race would be able to get as far as interstellar/galactic/dimensional travel without encountering similar problems we have (meaning that our planet may become inhabitable by humans before we had enough time to accomplish this ourselves). Also, I maintain that it would take millions of years to get to our planet from wherever it is these aliens are from, assuming that they already knew we were even here or would find us the least bit interesting.
Here's some basic calculations. To create a few grams of antimatter it would take the gross product of energy created by Earth...and I'm not just talking machines, I'm talking every metabolic reaction occurring on the PLANET, photosynthesis, glycolysis, etc... TRILLIONS of years. Actually, probably a whole hell of a lot longer. That's for a few grams of antimatter created synthetically.
Why would aliens, even super advanced ones, spend that much time and effort to make an antimatter spaceship? One, I might add, that would create a very large explosion the moment it contacted something in the matter universe. Makes no sense.
Of course because you live in a society that says so? Give us millions of years and we will be able to do many things. Just because you can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it's not physically possible.
I'm not trying to convince you....you won't believe me, words can't change that because you already have your own beliefs. It's like trying to tell you that you're blue skinned.
Here's some basic calculations. To create a few grams of antimatter it would take the gross product of energy created by Earth...and I'm not just talking machines, I'm talking every metabolic reaction occurring on the PLANET, photosynthesis, glycolysis, etc... TRILLIONS of years. Actually, probably a whole hell of a lot longer. That's for a few grams of antimatter created synthetically.
Why would aliens, even super advanced ones, spend that much time and effort to make an antimatter spaceship? One, I might add, that would create a very large explosion the moment it contacted something in the matter universe. Makes no sense.
I really don't care what some one in a college thinks about alien technologies. No offense, and I'm not a scientist to argue with you. I really don't care, I don't. I don't want to offend you and I can't argue with you. You don't want to believe in aliens, fine, I do, and I believe they have abilities that would blow your mind. And that's fine, it's where we disagree...I don't really give a shit. I can't argue with you. That's fine, I don't need proof, evidence. You do, that's fine. I don't care...
I said it's possible, it would just take an impractical amount of time to achieve. And then what would you have? An exploding spaceship. Whoopdeefuckingdoo.
I'd love to make a cool super advanced spaceship, but I'd also like to make something that would actually work and work well. This might include making a spaceship that looks like a really boring cylinder with engines, but I'd rather have that then go into contortions to figure out how to make something that serves no practical purpose.
Like, how about just making a giant cylinder that has layers that rotate really really fast, creating a centripetal force nearly equal to gravity so that you could walk around like normal in space? How about sophisticated sensors so that you don't have to worry about sticking windows in your spaceship? How about creating a really efficient solar cell to power the maneuvering thrusters so fuel is less of an issue?
Why would an antimatter ship be preferable, I suppose is what I'm trying to say. Why is it necessary? What can it do that would be so damn important?
Edit: Didn't see your previous response. So my question now changes to: Why are you dodging all of my questions? You seem to have latched on to the idea that because I'm a scientist, I am completely without imagination or soul. This may be true, but it doesn't mean I absolutely refuse to believe. I only want to know the truth, whatever it is and I want to have some sort of proof before I start spending time and energy on something.
Like, how about just making a giant cylinder that has layers that rotate really really fast, creating a centripetal force nearly equal to gravity so that you could walk around like normal in space?
Because artificial-gravity plating is better. (which would then actually make a Borg Cube the most practical.)
How about sophisticated sensors so that you don't have to worry about sticking windows in your spaceship?
Because transparent aluminum lets you see the pretty stars outside.
How about creating a really efficient solar cell to power the maneuvering thrusters so fuel is less of an issue?
because it makes more sense to create Bussard Collectors to catch intersellar gases which can be used as fuel.
Why would an antimatter ship be preferable, I suppose is what I'm trying to say. Why is it necessary? What can it do that would be so damn important?
accelerate us fast enough for g-forces to kill us in an instant because the inertial dampeners went offline.
Well, then you may find it. Good luck to you, you may have the intelligence to understand what I can not. There is nothing that says it's fake, those are simple sketches, drawings. I don't know if they are real. I do know alien technologies are real. I have images in my mind, fortunate for me I don't remember, or think I know all too well.
I don't want to treat you like you're soul less, the truth is I fear human scientists. I fear everything you can be abused, manipulated for, which is endless. Your research is monitored as much as it is funded.
You're a smart individual, but I will never assume that just because their may be a technology supposedly alien, that it may exist, that a human being may not comprehend why it's practical or affective that it can not exist. I don't think time is a real issue to super advanced beings. Heck, they might even have the ability to time travel. I don't know. Humans are vain enough to think what is and isn't possible, yet they continue to evolve and discover things.
I don't backwards engineer UFOS, I don't know what goes into them or why, or how. All I know is scientists are likely impressed and surprised.
I doubt a space ship needs windows. It's more likely the inside can simply become transparent and you can see out the ship as if you were floating.
But again I can't explain these things and to you I sound crazy, or uneducated that's fine. It's too hard and much of a imbalance to argue with some one who is structured and into a field of study. I didn't choose you, you chose me.
It's your life more than it is mine, you decide what you want to pursue or argue. You yourself came into this argument. I've only entertained, expanding upon your reality. Perhaps you will be called on to further develop technologies and you will no longer question a universe of possibilities. Maybe you will see technologies that you never dreamed of. I don't know.
I don't design or backwards engineer UFOS. I don't know that much about them but I do imagine and comprehend in my own way that you don't need windows you can actually make the haul some what invisible and see outside of it.
It came to me with that video and then things I had thought of earlier. It was a mistake for me to get into this with you, but maybe it wasn't for you. I was wrong to get into a debate with you.
Maybe I've been wrong all along to share anything. My personal theories, beliefs should be kept to myself maybe. Science is just a tool. The universe may have laws, that doesn't mean higher beings can't have more control.
It's not what you know that's important, it's what you know. XD
Ah yes, I see Chyron. It does make much sense to do it that way.
And I do love explosions. BRING ON THE ANTIMATTER! WOO! The moment we step inside...KABOOM!
Actually, Star Trek uses magnetic fields to suspend antimatter in a container by itself until needed. How they get that much antimatter and how they get it in the containers in the first place is never explained, but we'll figure that part out for ourselves later.
My point is: neither does anyone else. Alien craft haven't visited us, so if there's any craft as yet unidentifiable by the general populous, you can bet we made it all by ourselves.
Actually, Star Trek uses magnetic fields to suspend antimatter in a container by itself until needed. How they get that much antimatter and how they get it in the containers in the first place is never explained, but we'll figure that part out for ourselves later.
I once taped some pie pans together and threw the result across the room. Nobody knew what it was while it was in the air, so I suppose that counts as a unidentified flying object.
I once taped some pie pans together and threw the result across the room. Nobody knew what it was while it was in the air, so I suppose that counts as a unidentified flying object.
I would like to say "no pic, no proof" but as soon as you post a picture of it, you would then be identifying said object thus discounting it as a UFO anyway.
I would like to say "no pic, no proof" but as soon as you post a picture of it, you would then be identifying said object thus discounting it as a UFO anyway.
And that's the main problem I have with paranormal stuff. As soon as you identify it and figure out how it works...it becomes normal and therefore of no interest to the people who like the paranormal.
If we actually found an alien who turned out to be a nice humanoid gentleman in a tweed suit, who had all sorts of interesting ideas about how to practically modify our space shuttle engines so that we could reach the moon in under an hour, the paranormal people would move on to something more fantastic because what actually exists is just too boring and regular.
If we actually found an alien who turned out to be a nice humanoid gentleman in a tweed suit...
I'm trying to decide if this gentleman looks like a Vulcan or like Ford Prefect. Then I think of a Vulcan walking around wearing a tweed suit of some unfortunate color of plaid and it makes me laugh out loud.
I'm trying to decide if this gentleman looks like a Vulcan or like Ford Prefect. Then I think of a Vulcan walking around wearing a tweed suit of some unfortunate color of plaid and it makes me laugh out loud.
I was thinking more the Doctor, actually, but now I'm laughing at the Vulcan idea as well.
I was thinking more the Doctor, actually, but now I'm laughing at the Vulcan idea as well.
Oh. Well, then I'm not sure why we should listen to a guy who lives in a vanishing police box. I mean, even David Copperfield could make something like that disappear, and he's (probably) not even a time lord.
Oh. Well, then I'm not sure why we should listen to a guy who lives in a vanishing police box. I mean, even David Copperfield could make something like that disappear, and he's (probably) not even a time lord.
Well, he probably wouldn't even tell us about the police box unless we got really nosy or were about to die. So there would probably be some listening going on.
What does it matter anyways? You want to see evidence of the invisibility? Look into the Philadelphia experiment. It was experimenting with similar technology. Only that experiment went horribly wrong and had interesting results. So interesting it's become legend, and now is denied to have ever even happen.
You're part of a design, program that won't believe me I'm part of a design that will believe, so your words, opinions don't discourage or hurt me, I'm entitled to my own beliefs.
Everything exists that we observe, perhaps beyond. There is more than one reason I believe what I believe. There is more than one reason you believe what you believe. It's like a equation. Do you honestly think any one's opinion is more valid?
You can argue with me if you want to, you chose to argue with me, that was your reality, we expanded upon that , nothing changed for me, your reality changed for you, as a multipath , direction, the outcome was you tried to mock my beliefs, yet my beliefs are my own and you chose not to respect my beliefs. Yet, you're the one who decided to argue with me, and then continue to argue with me.
I may have made things appear personal to you, but there's far more to my beliefs than what words can prove or disprove. Things I can't explain fully, answers that can not be answered by you or I. Perhaps disproved by some one else, but with all respect, not you. No one , not even myself as a observer can prove or disprove some of my experiences. People want to reflect upon my realty and tell me what I've seen isn't real, I'd like to think I deserve a say in it.
And yes, I would naturally try to at least be certain, or support that I'm not insane and have witnessed things that I feel I have witnessed, so that I don't deny experience. IT would be very very easy to say I never saw anything. It would be the easiest thing to do...
You're right to a extent Dashin , but that doesn't change the oppression of others point of view in this world, or the things they feel they've experienced that no one will take seriously because they just can't open their minds to those things. It's part of vanity, sure, it's part of a program, design as society as humanity. No one will ever believe in the paranormal because in language the very title itself is BS, especially to scientist , it's language , values, part of a equation.
This is why many believers carefully choose their words so that certain people don't walk into a conversation like robots and say "little green men, hahaha, blaalahahahahahaa" XD....
I don't expect people to understand , it's not possible, things aren't the way they are by chance, even with the margin for chance and multiple choices, observation.
This is my thread, my personal blog, I respect some of you won't agree with me, that's fine, I don't even agree on your favorite ice cream....as I try not to choose favorites.
Peace every one. I can't make you more open minded, no, you are individuals in the design, equation, and that's fine.
I don't want to be vain , I spend my entire life trying to understand you, me, everyone, everything. Certain things I respect I don't know all the answers, even if it's something I'm a expert in. I respect that, call that vanity if you wish, I'm just part of a equation, part of a reason, part of a cause and effect program. I am human so I can change, I can open myself to new ideas, concepts, that doesn't change the fact that I am here and now.
I have my own personal beliefs, you're in my personal musing thread. I didn't choose you, you chose me by coming into this thread, it could have been any of you, any one that walked into this thread.
It's your reality, not mine. Mine is not altered.
I'm not offended that you're making fun, mocking me, my beliefs, because it's a simple pattern, part of the equation I expect, I'm familiar with it, it's a value that I could have anticipated and I'm at peace with it. If that's what you want to do with your time, that is what is in your mind, reality. I can't stop that, change that, that's up to you. I'm part of my own design. We're all connected but you're a human being you can alter your own ideas, concepts, I can't do it for you.
That doesn't mean the masses can't be ultimately grouped into group think.
What I think, all 3 of you are likely peers, friends, and you want to impress one another and support one another, think I'm mad, that's fine, it's part of what goes on, I can't alter that. I can't make you believe something so fantastic when you are not open to it.
You would have to believe in it, understand it in your own way and I can't do that for you. If you don't want to believe in it then you will believe in different sets of beliefs and values. That is fine, that is your design.
There are millions of you and millions of me, well people like us. I didn't just stumble out here on my own. You want to mock me for being different, laugh at me, go ahead.
Dashin is right , everyone in here is being vain. Yes, of course, me too. I just get frustrated. My beliefs are alot more disturbed than some of yours. I don't think this world is as innocent as some people think, especially with a scientific no morals attitude. But, you seem to forget you're all in my personal musing thread!
Openmindedness is all well and good, but there is also blindly believing something so totally that there is no naysaying it, which is completely different. If we got an alien transmission that wasn't static, saw an alien spacecraft that wasn't a weather balloon, or any other definite data that there was an alien, I would happily admit that I'm totally wrong about everything.
Thing is, the moment that happens, it will start being science and everyone who used to be interested in aliens will move on to something else to avoid becoming a passionless immoral machine like all of us scientists. I don't deny it. I eat a baby every morning, and- WHOA! Look at the time! Breakfast is ready!
Wow! There's my proof! Cool. Aliens exist and now we can do research to find out how they exist. Looks like all the paranormal people will have to go back to looking for ghosts and stuff.
Wait, so I'm confused. Do I have this summary right?:
-We were created by alien Gods
-They're like, totally awesome superheroes
-We're failing judgement standards that, for some reason, entirely align with doodo's sense of ethics
-Something about antimatter spaceships
-The government is very much lying to us in a way that is shockingly similar to the way people have been saying the government has been lying to us for, oh, 60 years or so at least?
-Science(by humans) is evil or manipulated for evil
-Science(by aliens) is inherently good and ethically sound by doodo's standards
-Science fiction is cool
Wait, so I'm confused. Do I have this summary right?:
-We were created by alien Gods
-They're like, totally awesome superheroes
-We're failing judgement standards that, for some reason, entirely align with doodo's sense of ethics
-Something about antimatter spaceships
-The government is very much lying to us in a way that is shockingly similar to the way people have been saying the government has been lying to us for, oh, 60 years or so at least?
-Science(by humans) is evil or manipulated for evil
-Science(by aliens) is inherently good and ethically sound by doodo's standards
-Science fiction is cool
Is that everything?
This is my musings thread, is that understood by everyone? It's like my blog...I am entitled to my own opinions, you have your own. There's nothing wrong with me having my own opinions. I never studied antimatter ships, don't know anything about that. Where ever she got that, it's not my gospel....
I have my own beliefs about morals, that's ok by me. People are twisting things into something nasty and I have to ask you why. I don't question others morals that often, even if I am preachy . Ultimately you're going to have your own morals.
I have mine, and I'm ok with that, but I am going to share those time to time. Of course science can be used for evil, is that really a mystery?
I never said science by aliens was good.
Why every one is jumping into this like it's a confrontation, or some sort of argument is way beyond me.
I stated my own beliefs, if you want me to defend myself, then quote me. I don't want some one's summary. Each to their own, but I never said that, never said most of that.
You all keep going on and on about this, does it amuse you? Why? This is my musing thread, you can all go on and on about it, but hey...some of my personal views are going to be in my personal musing thread....
Why are you offended, do you know the full scope, use of science, I have read a few things, believe in those things so I have my own moral scope, if you don't even reconginze a moral scope what so ever, what am I to think? Do you have any clue what science is capable of with technologies and mapping human genetics?
You're here to disagree with me, and apparently I'm here to keep posting the same thing over and over again because you're in some sort of heat to post in my thread.
Vanity, ego, you just can't let it go? This is my personal musings thread, I am entitled to my own opinions.
This is my personal musing thread, I can say whatever the hell I think, believe. You want to argue that's your problem, but leave me out of it, go and do your own research. I have my own personal beliefs, I've shared with you, you've shared with me, now you're just being pretentious and beating a dead horse....
I have my own beliefs and you're not open to mine, I respect that I don't want to go on arguing, fighting, yet you're still here adding heat to all of this, that's why my morals I'm accused of have been ridiculously blown out of proportion. I can't make you believe in aliens, or anything like that. End of story, like wise no matter how hard you try or I try you can't prove they don't exist. I could post several stories, accounts, videos, they wouldn't mean anything to you.
Now, stop spamming my thread, please...
Because you're becoming a tool to just discourage me, mock me for having my own beliefs and it's ignorant. Again, as I keep saying, believe whatever the hell you want to, I don't mind. Your troll energy is levitated through the roof, you're treating me as if I have all the answers to the universe,and no one does, no matter what my beliefs are, I'm not going to have all the answers. You don't either, put your complexes away if they are out. Because no one has all the answers. I have certain beliefs, deal with it...
You don't have all the answers to many things in your life, either, now leave me alone. I have my own beliefs, show me some respect, please.
I have no need or desire for imbalance with you. You can't prove they don't exist. You can't.
You're vanity, ego complex finds amusement in trying to get me stirred up, your complex takes over it's very strong. Especially as scientist. It's easy to read, I've read it, stop wasting my time. I don't need to be pestered by you because you feel i am silly or uneducated. There's about as much imagination in the whole thing as there is a stick in the mud.
Doodo, no one has made a personal attack on you or gotten angry. This is a public forum - a place for discussion, not a soapbox. You've been sharing plenty of views and opinions in this thread, did you not expect others to post comments and questions about the ideas you're putting forward?
If you want to share things on the internet without being questioned, I'd suggest setting up your own blog using a site like Blogger or WordPress, and disabling comments.
Doodo, no one has made a personal attack on you or gotten angry. This is a public forum - a place for discussion, not a soapbox. You've been sharing plenty of views and opinions in this thread, did you not expect others to post comments and questions about the ideas you're putting forward?
If you want to share things on the internet without being questioned, I'd suggest setting up your own blog using a site like Blogger or WordPress, and disabling comments.
Yes, of course it's possible the admins join too, of course. That's expected to be possible , happen.
You tell me then, how to disprove or prove aliens. Be my guest, any of you. I have my own beliefs, yes disagreeing is one thing, but making a whole page of jokes is insulting. It is in fact insulting to me and at the least it makes a case for itself. It's pretentious and makes it out to be a joke, dumbed down, silly. It is insulting, and if you can't see that then you're just not being open minded how others may feel when they have personal views that are done up like a comedy show.
I already said, many times, I'm ok if they disagree, what more is there to say ? You want a intelligent conservation? Go ahead, be my guess, buddy prove aliens do or do not exist or have or have not visited earth. Go ahead, show us your wisdom.
Wow! There's my proof! Cool. Aliens exist and now we can do research to find out how they exist. Looks like all the paranormal people will have to go back to looking for ghosts and stuff.
I find such comments insulting and if you can't respect that you only show me disrespect as well, and show false intentions, standards as a admin. He posted a video of a star trek ship, if you can't sense the troll energy here, then maybe you're incapable of reading into troll energies.
None of you are arguing about anything significant.
Yet they go on and on, so don't give me some double standard...I already tried to lay this to rest multiple times. I already let them disagree and that was fine, but they wanted to have fun with it, get the thread closed or just poke fun at me.
He's gone mad with power! TTG you created a monster!!
No, not at all, XD...all I'm trying to say, if people would stop trying to create drama , is that you're in a thread called some guy's musings, you're probably going to hear what he thinks about things in life.
Not to mention that was the first line of like 6 paragraphs, it's sort of out of context...and again, people need to back off this thread. It's not my problem, it's people continuing to try to find a argument with me or make me look bad.
I already said I don't have all the answers, believe what ever you want to believe. That's fair...and it would only be fair if I was treated fairly in return.
Yes, of course it's possible the admins join too, of course. That's expected to be possible , happen.
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I find such comments insulting and if you can't respect that you only show me disrespect as well, and show false intentions, standards as a admin.
From my point of view, there has been a bit fun poked at the ideas presented, but no one has attacked you as a person.
I respect that you feel insulted by some posts in this thread. If you genuinely feel that strongly about it, I can treat this as a religious discussion gone out of hand and close it to further posts.
The burden of proof on a claim is with the claimant. If I assert there is a devilbeast that eats children at night, the burden is on me to prove it, not others to prove it oent exist. Similarly it's why I not argue to 'prve' God exists even though I have my reasons for believing he does.
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Edit: And you completely deleted the post I was talking about. Typical luck...
To assume the saucer is alien suggests that humans wouldn't attempt to build one ourselves without the need for alien inspiration, alien templates, or existing alien technology, which I believe would be the more likely (if they did in fact exist).
And to assume that alien crafts are saucer-shaped also doesn't explain the various non-saucer-shaped patterns in supposedly alien-created crop circles.
I don't think you're respecting the amount of security on these things. Especially if people do talk, have talked. People lack imagination, and expect me to believe their BS. UFOS are alot more simpler than that, you're reading complex things.
The basic UFO design is pretty easy to understand.
Yes, I deleted it. You people want to argue with me, that's your right. I would rather die than tip alot of people off to the technologies in this universe. I would rather DIE. No offense, research your own research...I want nothing to do with it.
I've seen fake crop circles, no where near as sophisticated or interesting as those unexplained.
It took one of our top astrophysicists to discover this meant pi, 3.14, and he did it all by himself...
Blah blah blah, you really think it matters? Suppose it does exist? What does it matter what you think? If it's bloody alien technology, I'm betting it's above you and me...there are theories that alien species are millions years older than you and I, I think that's alot of time to figure things out.
I don't think you either appreciate the level of security behind things, you think bases and area 51 places like that you just walk into or don't have security, secrets? If that were true you could visit it over the damn Summer and tell me what is there...
I don't think any of you are appreciating the level of security.
Millions of years indeed. We've only been around for a few thousand and we may have caused irreparable damage to our own ecosystem. I'm not sure that an alien race would be able to get as far as interstellar/galactic/dimensional travel without encountering similar problems we have (meaning that our planet may become inhabitable by humans before we had enough time to accomplish this ourselves). Also, I maintain that it would take millions of years to get to our planet from wherever it is these aliens are from, assuming that they already knew we were even here or would find us the least bit interesting.
Here's some basic calculations. To create a few grams of antimatter it would take the gross product of energy created by Earth...and I'm not just talking machines, I'm talking every metabolic reaction occurring on the PLANET, photosynthesis, glycolysis, etc... TRILLIONS of years. Actually, probably a whole hell of a lot longer. That's for a few grams of antimatter created synthetically.
Why would aliens, even super advanced ones, spend that much time and effort to make an antimatter spaceship? One, I might add, that would create a very large explosion the moment it contacted something in the matter universe. Makes no sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXFR1lKJ94&feature=related
Of course because you live in a society that says so? Give us millions of years and we will be able to do many things. Just because you can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it's not physically possible.
I'm not trying to convince you....you won't believe me, words can't change that because you already have your own beliefs. It's like trying to tell you that you're blue skinned.
I really don't care what some one in a college thinks about alien technologies. No offense, and I'm not a scientist to argue with you. I really don't care, I don't. I don't want to offend you and I can't argue with you. You don't want to believe in aliens, fine, I do, and I believe they have abilities that would blow your mind. And that's fine, it's where we disagree...I don't really give a shit. I can't argue with you. That's fine, I don't need proof, evidence. You do, that's fine. I don't care...
She's a Smurf!
I'd love to make a cool super advanced spaceship, but I'd also like to make something that would actually work and work well. This might include making a spaceship that looks like a really boring cylinder with engines, but I'd rather have that then go into contortions to figure out how to make something that serves no practical purpose.
Like, how about just making a giant cylinder that has layers that rotate really really fast, creating a centripetal force nearly equal to gravity so that you could walk around like normal in space? How about sophisticated sensors so that you don't have to worry about sticking windows in your spaceship? How about creating a really efficient solar cell to power the maneuvering thrusters so fuel is less of an issue?
Why would an antimatter ship be preferable, I suppose is what I'm trying to say. Why is it necessary? What can it do that would be so damn important?
Edit: Didn't see your previous response. So my question now changes to: Why are you dodging all of my questions? You seem to have latched on to the idea that because I'm a scientist, I am completely without imagination or soul. This may be true, but it doesn't mean I absolutely refuse to believe. I only want to know the truth, whatever it is and I want to have some sort of proof before I start spending time and energy on something.
Because transparent aluminum lets you see the pretty stars outside.
because it makes more sense to create Bussard Collectors to catch intersellar gases which can be used as fuel.
accelerate us fast enough for g-forces to kill us in an instant because the inertial dampeners went offline.
And I do love explosions. BRING ON THE ANTIMATTER! WOO! The moment we step inside...KABOOM!
I don't want to treat you like you're soul less, the truth is I fear human scientists. I fear everything you can be abused, manipulated for, which is endless. Your research is monitored as much as it is funded.
You're a smart individual, but I will never assume that just because their may be a technology supposedly alien, that it may exist, that a human being may not comprehend why it's practical or affective that it can not exist. I don't think time is a real issue to super advanced beings. Heck, they might even have the ability to time travel. I don't know. Humans are vain enough to think what is and isn't possible, yet they continue to evolve and discover things.
I don't backwards engineer UFOS, I don't know what goes into them or why, or how. All I know is scientists are likely impressed and surprised.
I doubt a space ship needs windows. It's more likely the inside can simply become transparent and you can see out the ship as if you were floating.
But again I can't explain these things and to you I sound crazy, or uneducated that's fine. It's too hard and much of a imbalance to argue with some one who is structured and into a field of study. I didn't choose you, you chose me.
It's your life more than it is mine, you decide what you want to pursue or argue. You yourself came into this argument. I've only entertained, expanding upon your reality. Perhaps you will be called on to further develop technologies and you will no longer question a universe of possibilities. Maybe you will see technologies that you never dreamed of. I don't know.
I don't design or backwards engineer UFOS. I don't know that much about them but I do imagine and comprehend in my own way that you don't need windows you can actually make the haul some what invisible and see outside of it.
It came to me with that video and then things I had thought of earlier. It was a mistake for me to get into this with you, but maybe it wasn't for you. I was wrong to get into a debate with you.
Maybe I've been wrong all along to share anything. My personal theories, beliefs should be kept to myself maybe. Science is just a tool. The universe may have laws, that doesn't mean higher beings can't have more control.
It's not what you know that's important, it's what you know. XD
My point is: neither does anyone else. Alien craft haven't visited us, so if there's any craft as yet unidentifiable by the general populous, you can bet we made it all by ourselves.
...More magnetic fields?
I once taped some pie pans together and threw the result across the room. Nobody knew what it was while it was in the air, so I suppose that counts as a unidentified flying object.
Whatever you want to believe, or they want you to believe. It's actually2:27 AM here. And I should be off to sleep soon.
I would like to say "no pic, no proof" but as soon as you post a picture of it, you would then be identifying said object thus discounting it as a UFO anyway.
And that's the main problem I have with paranormal stuff. As soon as you identify it and figure out how it works...it becomes normal and therefore of no interest to the people who like the paranormal.
If we actually found an alien who turned out to be a nice humanoid gentleman in a tweed suit, who had all sorts of interesting ideas about how to practically modify our space shuttle engines so that we could reach the moon in under an hour, the paranormal people would move on to something more fantastic because what actually exists is just too boring and regular.
Also, Fawful has requested that I respond to you thusly:
I'm trying to decide if this gentleman looks like a Vulcan or like Ford Prefect. Then I think of a Vulcan walking around wearing a tweed suit of some unfortunate color of plaid and it makes me laugh out loud.
I was thinking more the Doctor, actually, but now I'm laughing at the Vulcan idea as well.
Oh. Well, then I'm not sure why we should listen to a guy who lives in a vanishing police box. I mean, even David Copperfield could make something like that disappear, and he's (probably) not even a time lord.
Well, he probably wouldn't even tell us about the police box unless we got really nosy or were about to die. So there would probably be some listening going on.
I know that. That's why I'm making fun.
You're part of a design, program that won't believe me I'm part of a design that will believe, so your words, opinions don't discourage or hurt me, I'm entitled to my own beliefs.
Everything exists that we observe, perhaps beyond. There is more than one reason I believe what I believe. There is more than one reason you believe what you believe. It's like a equation. Do you honestly think any one's opinion is more valid?
You can argue with me if you want to, you chose to argue with me, that was your reality, we expanded upon that , nothing changed for me, your reality changed for you, as a multipath , direction, the outcome was you tried to mock my beliefs, yet my beliefs are my own and you chose not to respect my beliefs. Yet, you're the one who decided to argue with me, and then continue to argue with me.
I may have made things appear personal to you, but there's far more to my beliefs than what words can prove or disprove. Things I can't explain fully, answers that can not be answered by you or I. Perhaps disproved by some one else, but with all respect, not you. No one , not even myself as a observer can prove or disprove some of my experiences. People want to reflect upon my realty and tell me what I've seen isn't real, I'd like to think I deserve a say in it.
And yes, I would naturally try to at least be certain, or support that I'm not insane and have witnessed things that I feel I have witnessed, so that I don't deny experience. IT would be very very easy to say I never saw anything. It would be the easiest thing to do...
You're right to a extent Dashin , but that doesn't change the oppression of others point of view in this world, or the things they feel they've experienced that no one will take seriously because they just can't open their minds to those things. It's part of vanity, sure, it's part of a program, design as society as humanity. No one will ever believe in the paranormal because in language the very title itself is BS, especially to scientist , it's language , values, part of a equation.
This is why many believers carefully choose their words so that certain people don't walk into a conversation like robots and say "little green men, hahaha, blaalahahahahahaa" XD....
I don't expect people to understand , it's not possible, things aren't the way they are by chance, even with the margin for chance and multiple choices, observation.
This is my thread, my personal blog, I respect some of you won't agree with me, that's fine, I don't even agree on your favorite ice cream....as I try not to choose favorites.
Peace every one. I can't make you more open minded, no, you are individuals in the design, equation, and that's fine.
I don't want to be vain , I spend my entire life trying to understand you, me, everyone, everything. Certain things I respect I don't know all the answers, even if it's something I'm a expert in. I respect that, call that vanity if you wish, I'm just part of a equation, part of a reason, part of a cause and effect program. I am human so I can change, I can open myself to new ideas, concepts, that doesn't change the fact that I am here and now.
I have my own personal beliefs, you're in my personal musing thread. I didn't choose you, you chose me by coming into this thread, it could have been any of you, any one that walked into this thread.
It's your reality, not mine. Mine is not altered.
I'm not offended that you're making fun, mocking me, my beliefs, because it's a simple pattern, part of the equation I expect, I'm familiar with it, it's a value that I could have anticipated and I'm at peace with it. If that's what you want to do with your time, that is what is in your mind, reality. I can't stop that, change that, that's up to you. I'm part of my own design. We're all connected but you're a human being you can alter your own ideas, concepts, I can't do it for you.
That doesn't mean the masses can't be ultimately grouped into group think.
What I think, all 3 of you are likely peers, friends, and you want to impress one another and support one another, think I'm mad, that's fine, it's part of what goes on, I can't alter that. I can't make you believe something so fantastic when you are not open to it.
You would have to believe in it, understand it in your own way and I can't do that for you. If you don't want to believe in it then you will believe in different sets of beliefs and values. That is fine, that is your design.
There are millions of you and millions of me, well people like us. I didn't just stumble out here on my own. You want to mock me for being different, laugh at me, go ahead.
Dashin is right , everyone in here is being vain. Yes, of course, me too. I just get frustrated. My beliefs are alot more disturbed than some of yours. I don't think this world is as innocent as some people think, especially with a scientific no morals attitude. But, you seem to forget you're all in my personal musing thread!
Peace...
Thing is, the moment that happens, it will start being science and everyone who used to be interested in aliens will move on to something else to avoid becoming a passionless immoral machine like all of us scientists. I don't deny it. I eat a baby every morning, and- WHOA! Look at the time! Breakfast is ready!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e22S98LNIq0
Wow! There's my proof! Cool. Aliens exist and now we can do research to find out how they exist. Looks like all the paranormal people will have to go back to looking for ghosts and stuff.
-We were created by alien Gods
-They're like, totally awesome superheroes
-We're failing judgement standards that, for some reason, entirely align with doodo's sense of ethics
-Something about antimatter spaceships
-The government is very much lying to us in a way that is shockingly similar to the way people have been saying the government has been lying to us for, oh, 60 years or so at least?
-Science(by humans) is evil or manipulated for evil
-Science(by aliens) is inherently good and ethically sound by doodo's standards
-Science fiction is cool
Is that everything?
This is my musings thread, is that understood by everyone? It's like my blog...I am entitled to my own opinions, you have your own. There's nothing wrong with me having my own opinions. I never studied antimatter ships, don't know anything about that. Where ever she got that, it's not my gospel....
I have my own beliefs about morals, that's ok by me. People are twisting things into something nasty and I have to ask you why. I don't question others morals that often, even if I am preachy . Ultimately you're going to have your own morals.
I have mine, and I'm ok with that, but I am going to share those time to time. Of course science can be used for evil, is that really a mystery?
I never said science by aliens was good.
Why every one is jumping into this like it's a confrontation, or some sort of argument is way beyond me.
I stated my own beliefs, if you want me to defend myself, then quote me. I don't want some one's summary. Each to their own, but I never said that, never said most of that.
You all keep going on and on about this, does it amuse you? Why? This is my musing thread, you can all go on and on about it, but hey...some of my personal views are going to be in my personal musing thread....
Why are you offended, do you know the full scope, use of science, I have read a few things, believe in those things so I have my own moral scope, if you don't even reconginze a moral scope what so ever, what am I to think? Do you have any clue what science is capable of with technologies and mapping human genetics?
You're here to disagree with me, and apparently I'm here to keep posting the same thing over and over again because you're in some sort of heat to post in my thread.
Vanity, ego, you just can't let it go? This is my personal musings thread, I am entitled to my own opinions.
This is my personal musing thread, I can say whatever the hell I think, believe. You want to argue that's your problem, but leave me out of it, go and do your own research. I have my own personal beliefs, I've shared with you, you've shared with me, now you're just being pretentious and beating a dead horse....
I have my own beliefs and you're not open to mine, I respect that I don't want to go on arguing, fighting, yet you're still here adding heat to all of this, that's why my morals I'm accused of have been ridiculously blown out of proportion. I can't make you believe in aliens, or anything like that. End of story, like wise no matter how hard you try or I try you can't prove they don't exist. I could post several stories, accounts, videos, they wouldn't mean anything to you.
Now, stop spamming my thread, please...
Because you're becoming a tool to just discourage me, mock me for having my own beliefs and it's ignorant. Again, as I keep saying, believe whatever the hell you want to, I don't mind. Your troll energy is levitated through the roof, you're treating me as if I have all the answers to the universe,and no one does, no matter what my beliefs are, I'm not going to have all the answers. You don't either, put your complexes away if they are out. Because no one has all the answers. I have certain beliefs, deal with it...
You don't have all the answers to many things in your life, either, now leave me alone. I have my own beliefs, show me some respect, please.
I have no need or desire for imbalance with you. You can't prove they don't exist. You can't.
You're vanity, ego complex finds amusement in trying to get me stirred up, your complex takes over it's very strong. Especially as scientist. It's easy to read, I've read it, stop wasting my time. I don't need to be pestered by you because you feel i am silly or uneducated. There's about as much imagination in the whole thing as there is a stick in the mud.
Doodo, no one has made a personal attack on you or gotten angry. This is a public forum - a place for discussion, not a soapbox. You've been sharing plenty of views and opinions in this thread, did you not expect others to post comments and questions about the ideas you're putting forward?
If you want to share things on the internet without being questioned, I'd suggest setting up your own blog using a site like Blogger or WordPress, and disabling comments.
Yes, of course it's possible the admins join too, of course. That's expected to be possible , happen.
You tell me then, how to disprove or prove aliens. Be my guest, any of you. I have my own beliefs, yes disagreeing is one thing, but making a whole page of jokes is insulting. It is in fact insulting to me and at the least it makes a case for itself. It's pretentious and makes it out to be a joke, dumbed down, silly. It is insulting, and if you can't see that then you're just not being open minded how others may feel when they have personal views that are done up like a comedy show.
I already said, many times, I'm ok if they disagree, what more is there to say ? You want a intelligent conservation? Go ahead, be my guess, buddy prove aliens do or do not exist or have or have not visited earth. Go ahead, show us your wisdom.
I find such comments insulting and if you can't respect that you only show me disrespect as well, and show false intentions, standards as a admin. He posted a video of a star trek ship, if you can't sense the troll energy here, then maybe you're incapable of reading into troll energies.
Here's the video again..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e22S98LNIq0
And even if I were half blind I could post other examples in this thread of pure trolldom, provocation, such as stargate...
I don't think it's funny, and it's obviously to anyone with two eyes and a brain a ridicule...
Yet they go on and on, so don't give me some double standard...I already tried to lay this to rest multiple times. I already let them disagree and that was fine, but they wanted to have fun with it, get the thread closed or just poke fun at me.
He's gone mad with power! TTG you created a monster!!
No, not at all, XD...all I'm trying to say, if people would stop trying to create drama , is that you're in a thread called some guy's musings, you're probably going to hear what he thinks about things in life.
Not to mention that was the first line of like 6 paragraphs, it's sort of out of context...and again, people need to back off this thread. It's not my problem, it's people continuing to try to find a argument with me or make me look bad.
I already said I don't have all the answers, believe what ever you want to believe. That's fair...and it would only be fair if I was treated fairly in return.
Honestly? What the heck was this?
From my point of view, there has been a bit fun poked at the ideas presented, but no one has attacked you as a person.
I respect that you feel insulted by some posts in this thread. If you genuinely feel that strongly about it, I can treat this as a religious discussion gone out of hand and close it to further posts.
Fawful requested that I post it.