I would say it absolutely is overrated but some of those movies are simply breathtaking when viewed through the eyes of a child. In the franchises defence, the elements other than the clunky, awkward, sometimes downright nonsensical dialogue; mediocre to poor directing from Lucas (on the 4 entries he directed) and his over-relience on CGI in the prequels, are frankly superb. From the classic design of all of the fictional technology, through to the spellbinding score (John Williams) and outstanding sound design (Ben Burtt), those movies represent some of the finest creative minds of our time.
Quite frankly, I've moved on and outgrown Star Wars but it will always remain a very fond memory from my childhood and teenage years. However, it's nice to watch the movies once every couple of years when they get shown on TV.
Yes, ALL SW movies are overrated, annoying, and full of obscurity that developers didn't bother to fill in, since, like, they're in space, and in space everything may happen I guess.
The whole setting is overly formulaic and sometimes nonsensical. The continuation of the first three movies are apparent milking of an already not-so-promising franchise. Star Wars, is to me, a giant cow with udders bigger than Death Star itself; but the milk tastes just like any other regular cow's product. Unfortunately people cares more about the name and fame of the source rather than the product itself, so it continues to drag a fandom with itself into the bland depths of mediocrity.
I miss Dashing, but I'm not trying to bring him back. Even if I wanted to go back to the way I was before, I couldn't...for the past few days I've been in a deranged psychological composition, spider webs and staples, nails, old shoe strings holding it all together, old sticky notes and duct tape...it's a real mess. I think I've finally entered through the gates that the dogs and horrors were chasing me into, and now those gates are closed.
As are my eyes closed to intellectual questions, conversations, debates...my mind is deranged, hindered, and it's pressed up against the back of my eyes, like that gate I mentioned that my mind has ran into....one side the gate looks opened but it's certainly closed on the other side, the side that my mind is in...No new questions, ideas, no nothing...
Open eyes, no vision inside.
Just a slow decent into the hell my mind is trapped in. I may of let those dogs in with me that chased me in here, seems like my mind is being ate away...
Yes, ALL SW movies are overrated, annoying, and full of obscurity that developers didn't bother to fill in, since, like, they're in space, and in space everything may happen I guess.
The whole setting is overly formulaic and sometimes nonsensical. The continuation of the first three movies are apparent milking of an already not-so-promising franchise. Star Wars, is to me, a giant cow with udders bigger than Death Star itself; but the milk tastes just like any other regular cow's product. Unfortunately people cares more about the name and fame of the source rather than the product itself, so it continues to drag a fandom with itself into the bland depths of mediocrity.
Maybe the things I'm saying is powerful enough to do it.
Whatever, I don't care anymore. I like your symbolism, rather a word I won't be spelling right, anology.
Yes, ALL SW movies are overrated, annoying, and full of obscurity that developers didn't bother to fill in, since, like, they're in space, and in space everything may happen I guess.
Ah, The Force; possibly the biggest cheat and most lazy plot device ever used in a movie. Seriously, the number of times Lucas writes himself out of a corner by pro-claiming that "TeH fOrCE" did it is rather irritating (the prequels are far more guilty of this crime than the original trilogy though).
Also, as an adult, I really don't dig the whole light/dark side angle. Nothing in life is pure black or white, everything is a variable shade of grey. To think otherwise is a somewhat childish, naive and simplistic viewpoint.
I miss Dashing, but I'm not trying to bring him back. Even if I wanted to go back to the way I was before, I couldn't...for the past few days I've been in a deranged psychological composition, spider webs and staples, nails, old shoe strings holding it all together, old sticky notes and duct tape...it's a real mess. I think I've finally entered through the gates that the dogs and horrors were chasing me into, and now those gates are closed.
I'm sorry to hear that you're having a rough time of it, I honestly am clueless as to what all this talk of Dashing is about though. By the way, is it awful of me that reading your comment made me want to replay Psyconauts?!
Yes, ALL SW movies are overrated, annoying, and full of obscurity that developers didn't bother to fill in, since, like, they're in space, and in space everything may happen I guess.
The whole setting is overly formulaic and sometimes nonsensical. The continuation of the first three movies are apparent milking of an already not-so-promising franchise. Star Wars, is to me, a giant cow with udders bigger than Death Star itself; but the milk tastes just like any other regular cow's product. Unfortunately people cares more about the name and fame of the source rather than the product itself, so it continues to drag a fandom with itself into the bland depths of mediocrity.
Maybe the things I'm saying is powerful enough to do it.
What other movies were like Star Wars prior to its release?
Basicly every prehistoric medieval story with swordfighting and maybe sorcery. I'm not saying this just because there is swordfighting involved, of course. It's a tale about a boy with a power he doesn't know much about, pitted against a powerful authority, who is later revealed to be his father out of all other people. Many other cliché slots are also filled in, let it be the pure evil mastermind, mentor getting killed by main villain, hope and good will rising victorious, etc etc. Only difference is that, well, it happens in another galaxy far far away. There is also swordfighting, out of everything else you can use to harm your opponent in an age of high technology, to fit the atmosphere of such other stories, since Star Wars is a blatant rip-off nod to them.
Basicly every prehistoric medieval story with swordfighting and maybe sorcery. I'm not saying this just because there is swordfighting involved, of course. It's a tale about a boy with a power he doesn't know much about, pitted against a powerful authority, who is later revealed to be his father out of all other people. Many other cliché slots are also filled in, let it be the pure evil mastermind, mentor getting killed by main villain, hope and good will rising victorious, etc etc. Only difference is that, well, it happens in another galaxy far far away. There is also swordfighting, out of everything else you can use to harm your opponent in an age of high technology, to fit the atmosphere of such other stories, since Star Wars is a blatant rip-off nod to them.
Guess what, you're saying the same thing Solomon was saying 2,000 years ago. This isn't really a great argument if you're basically resorting to archetypes to define why it was bad.
Basicly every prehistoric medieval story with swordfighting and maybe sorcery. I'm not saying this just because there is swordfighting involved, of course. It's a tale about a boy with a power he doesn't know much about, pitted against a powerful authority, who is later revealed to be his father out of all other people. Only difference is that, well, it happens in another galaxy far far away. There is also swordfighting, out of everything else you can use to harm your opponent in an age of high technology, to fit the atmosphere of such other stories, since Star Wars is a blatant rip-off nod to them.
NO!!! NO!!!!
It's a piece of language of mind. It's not a rip off. It's not like its literally the same story. It's a piece of inspired literature based on classical themes in literature, there's a huge difference! To call it a rip off is obscene!
So what if he takes a good theme and makes it into something different, new...in space!? That's good!
While we're at why not say we can't have beautiful oil paintings of the female figure on a couch on her side because it's a RIP OFF! Or we can't have beautiful oil paintings of a naked chick standing up against...ok, ohh boyy...you get the idea!
It's a piece of language of mind, but it's not essentially a rip off of any truly structured piece of intellectually licensed material. It's not that individualistic and structured, who doesn't relate to these sort of themes, ideas? They're timeless just like beautiful female figures and father and son relationships, etc etc! I don't have a good relationship with my father...
There's nothing licensed or copyrighted that has been ripped off with Star Wars, not in your argument!
BAH HUM BUG!
Why not just say that a beautiful female nude figure , yeah..., eating a apple is a rip off because it resembles Adam and Eve!?
This isn't really a great argument if you're basically resorting to archetypes to define why it was bad.
I'd like to talk about deeper aspects of this series, I really do, but the movies theirselves don't WANT to get any deeper than that. Seriously, swords being lit up IS the thing producers of the movies want you to see the most.
I'd like to talk about deeper aspects of this series, I really do, but the movies theirselves don't WANT to get any deeper than that. Seriously, swords being lit up IS the thing producers of the movies want you to see the most.
So what if he takes a good theme and makes it into something different, new...in space!? That's good!
That'd also be good, perhaps, if they'd shown anything out of expected about that space. You know, other than all the kaplowy-pows and outer space dogfights. All the setting was constructed on lack of knowledge AND creativity. If you want to show the endless possibilities of space, you have to do more than explosions and annoying furry "alien" creatures being annoying.
That'd also be good, perhaps, if they'd shown anything out of expected about that space. You know, other than all the kaplowy-pows and outer space dogfights. All the setting was constructed on lack of knowledge AND creativity. If you want to show the endless possibilities of space, you have to do more than explosions and annoying furry "alien" creatures being annoying.
(PS: nothing personal against you for not liking Star Wars, but it's a struggle, I want to put my hands around your neck and ...)
You a hater! HATER!!! :mad:
You haters got to stick together like stink to Saturday Mornings!
Are you suggesting that the movie be far ahead of it's time just to be meaningful and successful? It's george Lucas not Mr. Hawking! The space/ science can't be that complicated.
It had a theme, message that people in that time frame understand, could relate to, appreciate. It was a piece of classical language turned into a creative message, expression in that cinematic era!
OOOHHH OOOOH! OUCH BURN SAUCE BURN SAUCE!!!:mad: Lack of creativity!? This movie is 40 years old and still looks better than several movies from the early 90s and he did things with toilet paper and model kits!
OOOHHH OHHH!!!
:eek: Oh god! Oh god! Help me! OUCHHHH!!! Some one get me my fan boy ointment and issue 24 of Star Wars insider...
Chewy was inspired after a dog! Bet you didn't see that coming! How creative is that!?
(PS: nothing personal against you for not liking Star Wars, but it's a struggle, I want to put my hands around your neck and ...)
You a hater! HATER!!! :mad:
You haters got to stick together like stink to Saturday Mornings!
Are you suggesting that the movie be far ahead of it's time just to be meaningful and successful? It's george Lucas not Mr. Hawking!
It had a theme, message that people in that time frame understand, could relate to, appreciate. It was a piece of classical language turned into a creative message, expression in that cinematic era!
OOOHHH OOOOH! OUCH BURN SAUCE BURN SAUCE!!!:mad: Lack of creativity!? This movie is 40 years old and still looks better than several movies from the early 90s and he did things with toilet paper and model kits!
OOOHHH OHHH!!!
:eek: Oh god! Oh god! Help me! OUCHHHH!!! Some one get me my fan boy ointment and issue 24 of Star Wars insider...
Chewy was inspired after a dog! Bet you didn't see that coming! How creative is that!?
I'm... not really sure if that was a counter statement or an exaggerated parody of a Star Wars fan. If anything, I don't really give two crapcakes about visuals. Sure, the interior scenes have some kind of an atmosphere (with, you know, swamp being swampy, bar being filthy and spaceships having many pipes hanging down the ceiling, I guess) and it was shot within a quality, but Lucas has the whole power of a film development company behind him; I mean of COURSE it'll look visually different from other movies. What I'm saying is, the movies don't offer anything more than that.
No dog is half as annoying as Chewie, by the way. Damn ear rapist he is....
Doesn't he have the same reputation of Lucas though...they're kind of similar...
Or do I have the wrong Kurosawa, because it happens all the time...
Akira Kurosawa having the same reputation as Lucas?? No, no way. Kurosawa is still highly respected and was a truly innovator. A lot of the modern cinema is owed to him.
For example, The Seven Samurais was a direct inspiration to the original Star Wars, and Lucas has admitted that he took a lot of stuff directly from there, including some lines, like the one C3PO says "It seems we are made to suffer, it's our lot in line" was taken directly from said movie.
Also, even the storyline is similar... Luke is a combination of two characters from The Seven Samurais: Kikuchiyo and Katsushiro: The first one was raised by farmers and her parents want him to become one, but he aspires to be a Samurai. And the second one was to become one of the Samurais disciple, basically Obi-Wan.
The only "original" thing Lucas did was to move the Japanese Samurai world to space. And to change swords for lightsabers.
I'm... not really sure if that was a counter statement or an exaggerated parody of a Star Wars fan. If anything, I don't really give two crapcakes about visuals. Sure, the interior scenes have some kind of an atmosphere (with, you know, swamp being swampy, bar being filthy and spaceships having many pipes hanging down the ceiling, I guess) and it was shot within a quality, but Lucas has the whole power of a film development company behind him; I mean of COURSE it'll look visually different from other movies. What I'm saying is, the movies don't offer anything more than that.
No dog is half as annoying as Chewie, by the way. Damn ear rapist he is....
It was actually both, nice catch. Right now my mind is arching over certain intellectual discliplines but is not containing any. Like a rainbow of pretty colors and craziness, like holy *BEEP* look at that rainbow, I've just let myself go after so many stormy nights and puddles I've stepped in throughout my day....whohohohoho!
OMG crapcakes, what a awesome choice of words, it's funny, it's SEXY, it's playful, it's witty. You're my new hero!
You don't mean a ear rapist, you mean (sent it to you in a pm)
Hellz to the yeahz ^
A wookie.. a wookie....a wookie....
where were we?
A wookie... a wookie....
Anyways, Star Wars may be over rated a little, but you'd watch it...right?
I'm not trying to sell my posts or bunch o' types of merchandise related to my posts, do I?
So what? Lucas is a professional artist. Are you accusing me of working for the man, Lucas? I aint working for Lucas! Him and me go way back, but I'm not one of his apprentices or clone troopers...
I have a soul! I'm a person and my name is Brian! :mad:
How dare you come in here and bark at me like a junk yard dog!
Ya know, I had a strange dream last night where I was playing with action figures and it was fun....wait what??
Where'd that come from? Don't use your mind tricks on me you , you hate sponge!
WTH am I even typing!? I might buy some of your art work though. AHA, you're a sith lord! You're a lier and a sith lord and a traitor!
TAKE HER AWAY!!!!:mad:
You try to get your art work to be noticed, and it's great art work and you might sell it one day...HMMM!? What about your posts of art work HMMM!?
Meet Lacebound. She's 24, superdeformed, and riding on a flying döner sandwich. I believe this is more creative than anything Lucas has done.
OH YEAH!!!?
OHHHHH OHHHHH!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:
THX 1138, I call you!
Sorry had the I the time I'd give you a visual challenge, but I've got to leave for class shortly...:(
But I think your visual might be in the lead...some one challenge that visual, now! We need image power! We need something with enough fire power to destroy a entire planet, something big, something bold, something original...but not likely a deathstar...
I challenge you with this!
Who would be crazy enough to wear their hair like THIS!? Look at the originality , creativity! JUST LOOK AT IT! That's Star Wars for you!
It's so daring, bold, who would be caught dead in the streets looking like that!?
I'm rather surprised at the poll results so far and dare I say; not entirely displeased.
The people of Earth are on to you and your Sorcerers ways Lord Lucas. Some of us can still recall the sheer horror that humanity faced during that fateful Summer of '86...
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The original version of the Original Trilogy is great. It's classic. It's wonderful.
The SE changes suck. The prequels suck. The Clone Wars animated movie is forgettable, and I haven't watched the TV show.
The only problem lies with George Lucas himself as he surrounds himself with YES men these days. The movies always worked best as a true collaboration (with certain egos and arrogance left at the door). Star Wars changed to a pure money making enterprise following the release of Empire (if you haven't already then you must read what ex-producer Gary Kurtz has to say here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/08/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer.html... it's a very revealing interview).
Quite frankly, I've moved on and outgrown Star Wars but it will always remain a very fond memory from my childhood and teenage years. However, it's nice to watch the movies once every couple of years when they get shown on TV.
But people who claim that "it's the best film of all times" really need to get out of their own asses and watch some real good films.
The whole setting is overly formulaic and sometimes nonsensical. The continuation of the first three movies are apparent milking of an already not-so-promising franchise. Star Wars, is to me, a giant cow with udders bigger than Death Star itself; but the milk tastes just like any other regular cow's product. Unfortunately people cares more about the name and fame of the source rather than the product itself, so it continues to drag a fandom with itself into the bland depths of mediocrity.
Maybe the things I'm saying is powerful enough to do it.
As are my eyes closed to intellectual questions, conversations, debates...my mind is deranged, hindered, and it's pressed up against the back of my eyes, like that gate I mentioned that my mind has ran into....one side the gate looks opened but it's certainly closed on the other side, the side that my mind is in...No new questions, ideas, no nothing...
Open eyes, no vision inside.
Just a slow decent into the hell my mind is trapped in. I may of let those dogs in with me that chased me in here, seems like my mind is being ate away...
Whatever, I don't care anymore. I like your symbolism, rather a word I won't be spelling right, anology.
Ah, The Force; possibly the biggest cheat and most lazy plot device ever used in a movie. Seriously, the number of times Lucas writes himself out of a corner by pro-claiming that "TeH fOrCE" did it is rather irritating (the prequels are far more guilty of this crime than the original trilogy though).
Also, as an adult, I really don't dig the whole light/dark side angle. Nothing in life is pure black or white, everything is a variable shade of grey. To think otherwise is a somewhat childish, naive and simplistic viewpoint.
Providing these people are above the age of 18 then I couldn't agree more.
I'm sorry to hear that you're having a rough time of it, I honestly am clueless as to what all this talk of Dashing is about though. By the way, is it awful of me that reading your comment made me want to replay Psyconauts?!
What other movies were like Star Wars prior to its release?
One word: Kurosawa.
Doesn't he have the same reputation of Lucas though...they're kind of similar...
Or do I have the wrong Kurosawa, because it happens all the time...
It's to its testament that it leaves such an impression despite its many shortfalls it's still leaves such an impression on so many people
Guess what, you're saying the same thing Solomon was saying 2,000 years ago. This isn't really a great argument if you're basically resorting to archetypes to define why it was bad.
NO!!! NO!!!!
It's a piece of language of mind. It's not a rip off. It's not like its literally the same story. It's a piece of inspired literature based on classical themes in literature, there's a huge difference! To call it a rip off is obscene!
So what if he takes a good theme and makes it into something different, new...in space!? That's good!
While we're at why not say we can't have beautiful oil paintings of the female figure on a couch on her side because it's a RIP OFF! Or we can't have beautiful oil paintings of a naked chick standing up against...ok, ohh boyy...you get the idea!
It's a piece of language of mind, but it's not essentially a rip off of any truly structured piece of intellectually licensed material. It's not that individualistic and structured, who doesn't relate to these sort of themes, ideas? They're timeless just like beautiful female figures and father and son relationships, etc etc! I don't have a good relationship with my father...
There's nothing licensed or copyrighted that has been ripped off with Star Wars, not in your argument!
BAH HUM BUG!
Why not just say that a beautiful female nude figure , yeah..., eating a apple is a rip off because it resembles Adam and Eve!?
I'd like to talk about deeper aspects of this series, I really do, but the movies theirselves don't WANT to get any deeper than that. Seriously, swords being lit up IS the thing producers of the movies want you to see the most.
Says who? This argument stinks too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=002bF8ypf2Q
That'd also be good, perhaps, if they'd shown anything out of expected about that space. You know, other than all the kaplowy-pows and outer space dogfights. All the setting was constructed on lack of knowledge AND creativity. If you want to show the endless possibilities of space, you have to do more than explosions and annoying furry "alien" creatures being annoying.
Lately!?
Ha!
(PS: nothing personal against you for not liking Star Wars, but it's a struggle, I want to put my hands around your neck and ...)
You a hater! HATER!!! :mad:
You haters got to stick together like stink to Saturday Mornings!
Are you suggesting that the movie be far ahead of it's time just to be meaningful and successful? It's george Lucas not Mr. Hawking! The space/ science can't be that complicated.
It had a theme, message that people in that time frame understand, could relate to, appreciate. It was a piece of classical language turned into a creative message, expression in that cinematic era!
OOOHHH OOOOH! OUCH BURN SAUCE BURN SAUCE!!!:mad: Lack of creativity!? This movie is 40 years old and still looks better than several movies from the early 90s and he did things with toilet paper and model kits!
OOOHHH OHHH!!!
:eek: Oh god! Oh god! Help me! OUCHHHH!!! Some one get me my fan boy ointment and issue 24 of Star Wars insider...
Chewy was inspired after a dog! Bet you didn't see that coming! How creative is that!?
I'm... not really sure if that was a counter statement or an exaggerated parody of a Star Wars fan. If anything, I don't really give two crapcakes about visuals. Sure, the interior scenes have some kind of an atmosphere (with, you know, swamp being swampy, bar being filthy and spaceships having many pipes hanging down the ceiling, I guess) and it was shot within a quality, but Lucas has the whole power of a film development company behind him; I mean of COURSE it'll look visually different from other movies. What I'm saying is, the movies don't offer anything more than that.
No dog is half as annoying as Chewie, by the way. Damn ear rapist he is....
Akira Kurosawa having the same reputation as Lucas?? No, no way. Kurosawa is still highly respected and was a truly innovator. A lot of the modern cinema is owed to him.
For example, The Seven Samurais was a direct inspiration to the original Star Wars, and Lucas has admitted that he took a lot of stuff directly from there, including some lines, like the one C3PO says "It seems we are made to suffer, it's our lot in line" was taken directly from said movie.
Also, even the storyline is similar... Luke is a combination of two characters from The Seven Samurais: Kikuchiyo and Katsushiro: The first one was raised by farmers and her parents want him to become one, but he aspires to be a Samurai. And the second one was to become one of the Samurais disciple, basically Obi-Wan.
The only "original" thing Lucas did was to move the Japanese Samurai world to space. And to change swords for lightsabers.
It was actually both, nice catch. Right now my mind is arching over certain intellectual discliplines but is not containing any. Like a rainbow of pretty colors and craziness, like holy *BEEP* look at that rainbow, I've just let myself go after so many stormy nights and puddles I've stepped in throughout my day....whohohohoho!
OMG crapcakes, what a awesome choice of words, it's funny, it's SEXY, it's playful, it's witty. You're my new hero!
You don't mean a ear rapist, you mean (sent it to you in a pm)
Hellz to the yeahz ^
A wookie.. a wookie....a wookie....
where were we?
A wookie... a wookie....
Anyways, Star Wars may be over rated a little, but you'd watch it...right?
ಠ_ಠ
Does this make it more original and EPIC and artsy for you? Is this more eloquent!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBcimnQJglE
It is the language of love making!
But this gets the message, point Lucas meant to get across better than anything else. This makes it all clear, you will understand, see his vision...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTOwd88xed4&feature=related
Yeah...Star Wars you HATER, yeah it's like that....yeah...Star Wars...yeah... Ooohhh,*beep*
I'm beginning to like South Park...
I'm not trying to sell my posts or bunch o' types of merchandise related to my posts, do I?
So what? Lucas is a professional artist. Are you accusing me of working for the man, Lucas? I aint working for Lucas! Him and me go way back, but I'm not one of his apprentices or clone troopers...
I have a soul! I'm a person and my name is Brian! :mad:
How dare you come in here and bark at me like a junk yard dog!
Ya know, I had a strange dream last night where I was playing with action figures and it was fun....wait what??
Where'd that come from? Don't use your mind tricks on me you , you hate sponge!
WTH am I even typing!? I might buy some of your art work though. AHA, you're a sith lord! You're a lier and a sith lord and a traitor!
TAKE HER AWAY!!!!:mad:
You try to get your art work to be noticed, and it's great art work and you might sell it one day...HMMM!? What about your posts of art work HMMM!?
That's not... that bad of an idea to be honest.
Meet Lacebound. She's 24, superdeformed, and riding on a flying döner sandwich. I believe this is more creative than anything Lucas has done.
OH YEAH!!!?
OHHHHH OHHHHH!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:
THX 1138, I call you!
Sorry had the I the time I'd give you a visual challenge, but I've got to leave for class shortly...:(
But I think your visual might be in the lead...some one challenge that visual, now! We need image power! We need something with enough fire power to destroy a entire planet, something big, something bold, something original...but not likely a deathstar...
I challenge you with this!
Who would be crazy enough to wear their hair like THIS!? Look at the originality , creativity! JUST LOOK AT IT! That's Star Wars for you!
It's so daring, bold, who would be caught dead in the streets looking like that!?
I actually like your crazy image.
A lamb.
The people of Earth are on to you and your Sorcerers ways Lord Lucas. Some of us can still recall the sheer horror that humanity faced during that fateful Summer of '86...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3lWF_FoLBE&feature=related
...it was as if the voices of five cinema goers worldwide cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced in disgust.
A drug fuelled actress, being forced to talk to a walking capet whilst having her breasts taped down?!
It's just that, it seems you're heavily under his influence ...
I thought he was rather under the influence of a medical drug.