Is the picture stretched afterwards or are you just missing half of the picture like on the horrible DVD-Version of Psycho I bought recently. I'd rather watch it in 4:3 with black borders left and right but no such option is available. They just butchered the whole movie.
...Neither.
This is how it will look in a media player with "Scaling" turned off. That is, that's the actual resolution of the video. If I were to make the window bigger with scaling turned off, the video would remain that size in a black box. Do the same with the DVD version, and you'll have bars on all sides, because the DVD was intentionally made to suck in order to gimp the original cut of the film and have it be more of a reference bonus feature rather than the primarily watched cut of the film. If anyone has the DVD, you can take a similar screencap, and it's made easy because I left the timestamp there for you.
So this is what it looks like sans scaling, taken using VLC's "snapshot" feature.
And this is what it looks like, with scaling turned on(obviously) and fullscreen on a 1920x1080 monitor. As you can see, there's no stretching, nor is information in any way lost. Black bars show up on the top and bottom because the video's natural resolution is relatively wider than my monitor's, not because some dickhole decided not to push a button while authoring.
Oh man, the cloud city windows. That was a nice change. There really are some nice visual effects changes. Makes me really wish that Lucas had some kind of creative team that would help him separate "good changes" from "terrible changes." Though go figure that one of the prominent "good changes" was directly inspired by Kershner.
If anyone has the DVD, you can take a similar screencap, and it's made easy because I left the timestamp there for you.
Gimme a minute, I'll grab it for you. The Laserdisc transfer, right?
EDIT: Fail! The Laserdisc>DVD transfer apparently runs 5 minutes shorter than the version you used. This'll take a bit longer than I thought.
EDIT2: Ok, here we go. First image is the one from Rather Dashing's post. Second is the one I just made from the same scene, using the version of the film that's on the Bonus Disc of the last DVD release.
Gimme a minute, I'll grab it for you. The Laserdisc transfer, right?
Yes, obviously, the one on the bonus disc. If you're using VLC, it's super easy to replicate my playback conditions. Just turn off scaling and use "Snapshot"(actually, I don't think Snapshot takes scaling into account, but just to be sure). The setting is in the right click menu, and once you've turned it off, any time you open a video it should have the window scaled to the correct resolution.
And thanks, I don't have access to my DVDs right now(they're at my mother's place, actually), so I couldn't do the comparison myself.
Done, check my previous post. And you lied, Dashing! The times were different!
We obviously don't have the same frame, which is problematic. The camera, if you notice, sort of "wavers" during this scene, so it's difficult to ascertain framing differences when the framing of the scene itself changes(albeit subtley) throughout the shot. Mind telling me what player you're using, what settings you have, etc?
I use VideoLAN, same as you. I think I had all the visual settings turned off, save a deinterlace mode. I tried my best with the image, but since it was a different length, I had to estimate an image that looked the same. Sorry I wasn't good enough.
And there are still black bars above and below the video, which was the whole point of this, wasn't it? But yeah, as ketzer suggests, the difference in black bars is probably to do with being the PAL version. Still, good luck getting a better image.
I use VideoLAN, same as you. I think I had all the visual settings turned off, save a deinterlace mode. I tried my best with the image, but since it was a different length, I had to estimate an image that looked the same. Sorry I wasn't good enough.
Nah, it's fine, I thought the "obvious differences" you noted was due to the framing, was all, which could have been due to the camera waver.
And there are still black bars above and below the video, which was the whole point of this, wasn't it? But yeah, as ketzer suggests, the difference in black bars is probably to do with being the PAL version. Still, good luck getting a better image.
I suppose you couldn't get a fullscreen shot at this point, huh? Too bad. The bars is actually due to the DVD not being anamorphic, same reason there are black bars on the side when you make the video fullscreen without turning on something that stretches the video. My point was that it was actually fairly easy to fix this, that amateurs can do it with little to no effort, and Lucas himself intentionally kept the unneccessary extra bars because he spites the original cut.
The resolution difference isn't as drastic as I thought, either way. Seems like you could just hit the zoom button on your remote and have it work out okay
The resolution difference isn't as drastic as I thought, either way. Seems like you could just hit the zoom button on your remote and have it work out okay
...no, no you could not. Zoom is evil. And the black bars are due to the DVD not being anamorphic, not region differences. If Darthy had made a fullscreen screencap to match my fullscreen one, you would have seen bars on the right and left of his video as well.
And there are still black bars above and below the video, which was the whole point of this, wasn't it? But yeah, as ketzer suggests, the difference in black bars is probably to do with being the PAL version
NTSC and Pal result inb different timecodes. Not in black bars.
I suppose you couldn't get a fullscreen shot at this point, huh? Too bad. The bars is actually due to the DVD not being anamorphic, same reason there are black bars on the side when you make the video fullscreen without turning on something that stretches the video. My point was that it was actually fairly easy to fix this, that amateurs can do it with little to no effort, and Lucas himself intentionally kept the unneccessary extra bars because he spites the original cut.
Well, I've just tried to get a shot taken in fullscreen, and it looks exactly the same - black bars at the top and bottom, but not the side. Here it is:
The thing is, though the snapshot looks like this, there are black bars on the sides, they just don't appear on any snapshots I take. Weird.
EDIT:[/Bo Ah, there we go doodo. I like the idea behind the video, and that clip from Apes is inspired, but the execution doesn't quite work. Still interesting though.
Well, I've just tried to get a shot taken in fullscreen, and it looks exactly the same - black bars at the top and bottom, but not the side. Here it is:
The thing is, though the snapshot looks like this, there are black bars on the sides, they just don't appear on any snapshots I take. Weird.
I used Printscreen for my fullscreen screenshot personally, since VLC's snapshot feature likes to take the natural resolution of the image. The Laserdisc rip was intended to fit a 4:3 television, and as such has black bars on the top and bottom to make it "fit". It doesn't "have" solid bars in the picture itself for the sides though, because it's "actually" a 4:3 picture that just happens to have solid black bars on the top and bottom. Modern DVDs and televisions are able to accomodate widescreen resolutions, which weren't a thing when the Laserdisc was made.
Well, I've just tried viewing the DVD in WMP and Media Player Classic, and neither have the side bars, so maybe I've got my VLAN settings messed up. I dunno.
The thing is, though the snapshot looks like this, there are black bars on the sides, they just don't appear on any snapshots I take. Weird.
It may only be taking a snapshot of the video frame instead of the entire screen, unless you are using "Print Screen" or else don't have it in fullscreen mode, then I'm not sure what the deal is.
I'm getting confused when people are referring to "black bars" in this convo, as it seems unclear at times if people are referring to horizontal black bars or vertical ones.
Horizontal black bars (bars on the top and bottom of the screen that stretch from left to right,) which are added to a widescreen image to create a 4:3 frame, create an effect called "letterboxing."
Vertical black bars (bars on the left and right of the screen that stretch from top to bottom,) which occur when a 4:3 image is displayed on a widescreen display, create an effect called "pillarboxing."
When both of these exist--as in the GOUT version of Star Wars (ie. the 2006 laserdisc transfer to a "bonus" DVD)--which occurs when a widescreen image has letterboxing added to create a 4:3 frame and is subsequently viewed on a widescreen display, the created effect where black bars exist on all sides is called "windowboxing."
Using the zoom feature on your TV set doesn't help. It does remove some or all of the black area, but the resultant scaling of the image is terrible. It's all pixelly and grainy and stuff.
Dashing is right. Lucas kept the letterboxing on purpose, as a three-headed monkey could accomplish removing it when ripping a DVD to a file (I just checked my copy of Handbrake and the default setting under "Cropping" is "Automatic," meaning I would have to intentionally tell it not to.)
I know there is someone out there who wants to tell me that because I can "fix" it, I should stop complaining. Lucas is insulting us all by this and I think that each consumer having to purposefully ignore or modify an intentionally inferior product warrants enough merit to complain about.
If only George would be more like Spielberg...this comes from an interview with Spielberg:
Despite what his friend George Lucas has done with "Star Wars", Steven Spielberg says that when E.T. hits Blu-ray, it’ll be the original 1982 cut with NO changes (including CG): "For myself, I tried this once and lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but because I was disappointed in myself. I got overly sensitive to [some of the reaction] to E.T., and I thought if technology evolved, [I might go in and change some things] … it was okay for a while, but I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T."
he doesn't want people to be offended by what he thinks is an inferior product, so forces screenings to be with the newest cut.
"Well, I should be! Some day I will be... I will be the most powerful [fanboy] ever. I promise you. I will even learn to stop [the original Original Trilogy of Star Wars] from dying."
"Well, I should be! Some day I will be... I will be the most powerful [fanboy] ever. I promise you. I will even learn to stop [the original Original Trilogy of Star Wars] from dying."
lol Sad that you use a quote from the prequels though. Of course, I'll admit that that was the only scene with Anakin and Padme from that movie that I liked.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry don't use your admin whip on me, I've been bad, I've been a bad naughty boy. Stupid ! stupid! stupid! Doodo brained bad boy! Naughty! NAUGHTY!
Bad boy! I'm sorry, won't happen again! Get in your cage you! Back! Back, back with you! Naff off! Naff off you bad boy! I won't let him do that again, sorry about his behavior...it's unacceptable!
He was deceived by a lie... we all were. It appears that [George Lucas] is behind everything, including the [prequels]! After the [first Special Edition changes], [Spielberg] became his new apprentice.
If only George would be more like Spielberg...this comes from an interview with Spielberg:
Despite what his friend George Lucas has done with "Star Wars", Steven Spielberg says that when E.T. hits Blu-ray, it’ll be the original 1982 cut with NO changes (including CG): "For myself, I tried this once and lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but because I was disappointed in myself. I got overly sensitive to [some of the reaction] to E.T., and I thought if technology evolved, [I might go in and change some things] … it was okay for a while, but I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T."
Because there is good in him. I've felt it. He won't [ruin the originals forever]. [We] can save him--[we] can turn him back to the good side. [We] have to try.
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This is how it will look in a media player with "Scaling" turned off. That is, that's the actual resolution of the video. If I were to make the window bigger with scaling turned off, the video would remain that size in a black box. Do the same with the DVD version, and you'll have bars on all sides, because the DVD was intentionally made to suck in order to gimp the original cut of the film and have it be more of a reference bonus feature rather than the primarily watched cut of the film. If anyone has the DVD, you can take a similar screencap, and it's made easy because I left the timestamp there for you.
So this is what it looks like sans scaling, taken using VLC's "snapshot" feature.
And this is what it looks like, with scaling turned on(obviously) and fullscreen on a 1920x1080 monitor. As you can see, there's no stretching, nor is information in any way lost. Black bars show up on the top and bottom because the video's natural resolution is relatively wider than my monitor's, not because some dickhole decided not to push a button while authoring.
EDIT: Fail! The Laserdisc>DVD transfer apparently runs 5 minutes shorter than the version you used. This'll take a bit longer than I thought.
EDIT2: Ok, here we go. First image is the one from Rather Dashing's post. Second is the one I just made from the same scene, using the version of the film that's on the Bonus Disc of the last DVD release.
Definite difference.
yes. Please do. I want to compare these.
And thanks, I don't have access to my DVDs right now(they're at my mother's place, actually), so I couldn't do the comparison myself.
Since he is in the UK and you are in the US.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ljRGJkz_38
And there are still black bars above and below the video, which was the whole point of this, wasn't it? But yeah, as ketzer suggests, the difference in black bars is probably to do with being the PAL version. Still, good luck getting a better image.
I would if I could watch it. You set it to private, you nonce!
I suppose you couldn't get a fullscreen shot at this point, huh? Too bad. The bars is actually due to the DVD not being anamorphic, same reason there are black bars on the side when you make the video fullscreen without turning on something that stretches the video. My point was that it was actually fairly easy to fix this, that amateurs can do it with little to no effort, and Lucas himself intentionally kept the unneccessary extra bars because he spites the original cut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ljRGJkz_38
NTSC and Pal result inb different timecodes. Not in black bars.
The thing is, though the snapshot looks like this, there are black bars on the sides, they just don't appear on any snapshots I take. Weird.
EDIT:[/Bo Ah, there we go doodo. I like the idea behind the video, and that clip from Apes is inspired, but the execution doesn't quite work. Still interesting though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OAp4VIuTyo
There are a bunch of videos along these lines, but this one is my favorite so far
Edit: Okay this one is good too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWqh_Ydla1s&NR=1
It may only be taking a snapshot of the video frame instead of the entire screen, unless you are using "Print Screen" or else don't have it in fullscreen mode, then I'm not sure what the deal is.
I'm getting confused when people are referring to "black bars" in this convo, as it seems unclear at times if people are referring to horizontal black bars or vertical ones.
Horizontal black bars (bars on the top and bottom of the screen that stretch from left to right,) which are added to a widescreen image to create a 4:3 frame, create an effect called "letterboxing."
Vertical black bars (bars on the left and right of the screen that stretch from top to bottom,) which occur when a 4:3 image is displayed on a widescreen display, create an effect called "pillarboxing."
When both of these exist--as in the GOUT version of Star Wars (ie. the 2006 laserdisc transfer to a "bonus" DVD)--which occurs when a widescreen image has letterboxing added to create a 4:3 frame and is subsequently viewed on a widescreen display, the created effect where black bars exist on all sides is called "windowboxing."
Using the zoom feature on your TV set doesn't help. It does remove some or all of the black area, but the resultant scaling of the image is terrible. It's all pixelly and grainy and stuff.
Dashing is right. Lucas kept the letterboxing on purpose, as a three-headed monkey could accomplish removing it when ripping a DVD to a file (I just checked my copy of Handbrake and the default setting under "Cropping" is "Automatic," meaning I would have to intentionally tell it not to.)
I know there is someone out there who wants to tell me that because I can "fix" it, I should stop complaining. Lucas is insulting us all by this and I think that each consumer having to purposefully ignore or modify an intentionally inferior product warrants enough merit to complain about.
Despite what his friend George Lucas has done with "Star Wars", Steven Spielberg says that when E.T. hits Blu-ray, it’ll be the original 1982 cut with NO changes (including CG): "For myself, I tried this once and lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but because I was disappointed in myself. I got overly sensitive to [some of the reaction] to E.T., and I thought if technology evolved, [I might go in and change some things] … it was okay for a while, but I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T."
Seeing if I can sale a drawing. XD
"Well, I should be! Some day I will be... I will be the most powerful [fanboy] ever. I promise you. I will even learn to stop [the original Original Trilogy of Star Wars] from dying."
lol Sad that you use a quote from the prequels though. Of course, I'll admit that that was the only scene with Anakin and Padme from that movie that I liked.
Bad boy! I'm sorry, won't happen again! Get in your cage you! Back! Back, back with you! Naff off! Naff off you bad boy! I won't let him do that again, sorry about his behavior...it's unacceptable!
Who are you talking to ? There is no doodo here, he's in a cage some where being beat into submission...
NOW if you don't mind , get back with the program...?
SHUT UP DOODO! SHUT UP!
I see now, trying to get out of your cage!? Get back in there doodo!
:mad:
Because there is good in him. I've felt it. He won't [ruin the originals forever]. [We] can save him--[we] can turn him back to the good side. [We] have to try.
PEACE...