›

SOPA and PIPA discussion

DarkbladerDarkblader
edited March 2012 in General Chat
http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/pipa_house/?akid=972.547289.ZM_cyB&rd=1&t=2

I dont know if anyone has heard about this bill, but if its approved. Youtube and Twitter are history.
«134567…10

Comments

  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    I doubt it would pass. I'm not even sure how it could considering it would contravene the Digital Millenium Act and the subsequent judicial decisions that have been made protecting companies from user generated content.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    That said, political participation is the hallmark of citizenship and I encourage everyone to participate if they are capable.
  • lattsamlattsam
    edited October 2011
    If it passed, then God forbid. I am hoping with all my heart that it doesn't happen!
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited October 2011
    On the very small plus side, I'd probably have a really good incentive to learn Chinese if it passed.

    That said, I will be voting against this thing/rioting in the streets. Depends on which seems more effective at the time.
  • Darth MarsdenDarth Marsden
    edited October 2011
    I couldn't give a flying turd about Twitter, but I'm against censorship of things that aren't illegal. That sounds an awful like what this bill is trying to do, so I'm definitely against it.
  • der_ketzerder_ketzer
    edited October 2011
    So what is that bill actually doing?
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    Holds companies accountable for user created content.
  • ProfanityProfanity Banned
    edited October 2011
    Is this an attempt to show people that rich as hell companies don't actually rule the world? This thing will never pass, the people this would affect are too bloody rich to let this happen.
  • der_ketzerder_ketzer
    edited October 2011
    DAISHI wrote: »
    Holds companies accountable for user created content.

    Wait so I could go into any forum and Post illegal stuff there and the owners would be screwed? Because that's what it sounds like. This would practically destroy the whole internet. At least everything that allows user created content to go live instantly // without a team of admins controlling everything before it is published.
    Just imagine a conversation in a forum where that would take several hours because admins need to sleep.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    der_ketzer wrote: »
    Wait so I could go into any forum and Post illegal stuff there and the owners would be screwed? Because that's what it sounds like.

    Not sure of all the ramifications at this point, but for instance, Youtube could be held accountable for all its content that's copyright despite its attempts to take down such material.

    However under recent judicial decisions regarding the DMCA Youtube can't be held responsible. This new law would seemingly amend that so that they could be.
  • RetroVortexRetroVortex
    edited October 2011
    What is it with all these stupid bills and legislations trying to be passed lately?

    The internet is pretty well moderated at the moment, and all these new laws that government are trying to pass are either bad for creative mediums and the industry attached to it, or impossible to regulate even if they were passed.
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited October 2011
    I think that if this bill actually passed, the internet would adapt some way around it. Like, instead of a few large websites for user created content, we'd get a myriad of smaller sites that would constantly change address and be impossible to track down. Or maybe something a bit cleverer than that.

    And so they'd have to invent a new law.

    This, of course, would iterate until we regress to writing our messages to friends and family onto stone tablets and chucking them into the sea.

    Edit: I found an example of what awaits us in the future.

    bctoon.gif
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    RetroVortex wrote: »
    What is it with all these stupid bills and legislations trying to be passed lately?

    The internet is pretty well moderated at the moment, and all these new laws that government are trying to pass are either bad for creative mediums and the industry attached to it, or impossible to regulate even if they were passed.

    Blame lobbyists from groups like VIACOM and the RIAA.
  • Debbie82Debbie82
    edited October 2011
    We don't want Hollywood to break the Internet with a flawed act. Besides, my cousin said that trying to make this flawed act pass is like trying to make walking on the grass illegal.
  • der_ketzerder_ketzer
    edited October 2011
    Debbie82 wrote: »
    my cousin said that trying to make this flawed act pass is like trying to make walking on the grass illegal.

    You just made me remember the great "Grass contest" Spoony had on his site last year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKOn-c9P-wc
  • LuigiHannLuigiHann
    edited October 2011
    Man. Old people, man.
  • Debbie82Debbie82
    edited October 2011
    They even renamed the bill as "E-PARASITES Bill"! This is SO not gonna pass!

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111027/00083116531/e-parasites-bill-end-internet-as-we-know-it.shtml
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited October 2011
    For some reason, putting "parasite" in the bill title makes me think of something Andrew Ryan would do...
  • LeplayaLeplaya
    edited October 2011
    I smell heavy internet backdraft because of this.
  • Debbie82Debbie82
    edited October 2011
    Well, my parents don't know anything about the Internet at all! They claim that they know everything about the Internet, that it will never die, and that all the news about the "E-PARASITES Act destroying the Internet" are nothing but "all lies and nonsense"! They don't know anything about the destruction the Internet-destroying bill will cause! We can't let the Government OR Hollywood destroy the Internet and all that is in it, including YouTube! :(
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited October 2011
    I honestly don't think the Internet will be destroyed if this bill passes. It will be forced to change, however. And maybe that change will be awesome, especially when you have a few billion people working to bypass government security and find work-arounds for stringent copyright protection. And now this sounds a bit apocalypitcal.

    But seriously, I look forward to our future of a myriad of nomad websites that change IP addresses by the hour.
  • KingHorrorKingHorror
    edited October 2011
    Wow...This bill is wrong in so many levels. And for some strange reason this Reminds me of some similarities between this and that stupid violent video game law California tried to pass awhile back(which makes me wonder if my state is involved with this somehow;))
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    KingHorror wrote: »
    Wow...This bill is wrong in so many levels. And for some strange reason this Reminds me of some similarities between this and that stupid violent video game law California tried to pass awhile back(which makes me wonder if my state is involved with this somehow;))

    Yes it does since Hollywood is one of the people I'd bet back this bill.
  • LeplayaLeplaya
    edited October 2011
    Even if the bill is approved, how will this effect other places? Like the UK for instance. This seems very heavily focused for the US.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    If you post something from the U.K for instance. that's property of any multinational corporation, in part or in whole, it can be held accountable.
  • LeplayaLeplaya
    edited October 2011
    I dont see any chance of this getting approved of anytime soon. If that video game law from California didn't get picked up, there's no chance for this getting picked up.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    Two different animals with two different lobbying firms. This is backed by some of the biggest corporations in the United States.
  • JohroJohro
    edited October 2011
    ummm... US legislation doesn't control the world. The US doesn't own the internet. Nothing is going to come of this. Remember P2P? Oh yeah, legislation really stopped that didn't it? Fear. Run. Danger. Don't think for yourselves. We're playing that game again are we? fun.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited October 2011
    US Legislation controls US based companies. Regardless of where in the world content is posted from, the company based inthe US is held liable for damages if a group like VIACOM holds the company accountable. If you post a video with content from SONY onto YouTube and you live in Iran, YouTube can be held responsible.
  • JohroJohro
    edited October 2011
    ...and websites not hosted in the USA, will not be affected. Youtube isnt the only one. ...and this is why it will fail. There's no point.
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited October 2011
    Johro wrote: »
    ...and websites not hosted in the USA, will not be affected. Youtube isnt the only one. ...and this is why it will fail. There's no point.

    Well, I think foreign websites would be blocked from American users. At least, that's the impression that I got from the bill.
  • Debbie82Debbie82
    edited November 2011
    I fear the worst! The hearing on the E-PARASITES Act is gonna start in Wednesday! Supporters of the bill will testify, but the government won't let the opponents of the bill testify! All of us and the entire Internet are doomed! This will be the end of the Internet unless we want to testify, and fast! Please sign the petition now! :(
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited November 2011
    Honestly, I don't think the government would be such idiots as to run our country into a recession by paralyzing the greatest information and marketing tool that the world has ever...

    Oh.

    We're doomed.
  • tredlowtredlow
    edited November 2011
    I heard that this petition would be heard if it reaches 25.000 by November 27th.
    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/actually-take-these-petitions-seriously-instead-just-using-them-excuse-pretend-you-are-listening/grQ9mNkN
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited November 2011
    That needs to go on reddit. With the right amount of publicity, they'll get way more signatures than they need.
  • JohroJohro
    edited November 2011
    I look forward to seeing everything is still fine for everyone thursday. I would've heard about this more than just here if it had any weight to it. True, I don't live there, but I've heard nothing of this on facebook or twitter...unless it's only a california thing, most of my friends are in the east. I don't really know what's going on with this, but I get the feeling people are blowing this up.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited November 2011
    Here ya go
    http://digitaljournal.com/article/313463


    “Under the Internet Blacklist Bill -- S.968, formally called the PROTECT IP Act -- the Department of Justice would force search engines, browsers, and service providers to block users' access to websites that have been accused of copyright infringement -- without even giving them a day in court.”

    Here's something more specific
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s968/show

    It's a bill proposed at a national level.


    Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/313463#ixzz1dkb0X5oq

    And here's why it's scary

    Specific Organizations Supporting S.968

    Recording Industry Association of America
    Independent Film & Television Alliance
    Motion Picture Association of America
    National Association of Theater Owners
    Microsoft
    Pfizer
    Outdoor Industry Association
    National Electrical Manufacturers Association
    Business Software Alliance
    Association of American Publishers
    Ford Motor Company
    Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association
    Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
    American Federation of Musicians
    Entertainment Software Association
    American Association of Independent Music
    Eli Lilly and Company
    Xerox Corporation
    Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council
    Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers
    Major League Baseball
    CBS Corporation
    National Basketball Association
    The Walt Disney Company
    Advanced Medical Technology Association
    Beam Global Spirits &Wine
    National Football League
    Johnson & Johnson
    News Corporation
    Warner Music Group
    Estee Lauder Companies
    Greeting Card Association
    U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    Adidas America
    Acushnet Company
    ABRO Industries, Inc.
    1-800-PetMeds
    1-800 Contacts, Inc.
    Blue Sky Studios, Inc.
    Bose Corporation
    Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
    Burberry
    Electronic Components Industry Association
    HarperCollins Publishers
    Kekepana International Services
    LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton
    Nike, Inc.
    Nintendo
    Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc.
    Timberland Company
    Tiffany & Co.
    Comcast
    Walmart
    AFL-CIO
    Merck
    National Fraternal Order of Police
    International Association of Firefighters
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited November 2011
    Another article.

    I would never have thought I'd find myself agreeing with Justin Bieber on anything. But here I am, doing just that.

    Reddit seems to have just gotten wind of this. As I think we all know, this could become pretty big.
  • JohroJohro
    edited November 2011
    The problem I see is what's going to stop people from posting such material here or anywhere? I just don't see it happening. They have to draw the line somewhere. Every website with a forum is going to be shut down? Shit I just saw pictures of Batman that are copyrighted a couple threads over. I'm sure there's videos and links posted about too. It's just like that "p" word these forums don't like seeing(rhymes with vagrancy). Even though there's laws, there is no where near the manpower to enforce it. I guess it could pass and twitter, facebook, etc could be shut down... but then people would just move to using an overseas website then another then another until the manpower stopped trying...just like "p". This whole thing is screwed up and I think they know it... they just want to scare people into being ethical.
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited November 2011
    I'd rather they take all the money they're wasting on this and pour it into education. You know, something that is actually worthwhile. And sadly neglected.
Sign in to comment in this discussion.