I didn't pick a side during the Lilly/Kenny thing. I stayed neutral.
Lilly is a control freak due to her military past, which can be annoying at times. But from a survival perspective she has some good points, just like Kenny. Personally I've never seen her as a "villain".
And it's beyond me how anyone can side with Kenny in the meat locker. Pulling a screaming Lilly away forcefully while Kenny smashes her father's head in with a salt lick has to be the most gruesome thing that you can do in the game.
Yes, there was the risk of him dying and reanimating, but there would be other options in a real situation. You could secure his arms so he can't grap anyone and continue with the CPR while Kenny could be standing by with a salt lick or something like that.
His actions were premature.
And you can tell that his main reason for doing it was not the safety of the group but revenge, because back at the drugstore Larry wanted to do the same to Duck when he thought that he was bitten. Kenny said that he was going to kill Larry for threatening his boy and that's exactly what he did in the meat locker.
If you try to revive Larry and get to at least 4 chest compressions, his mouth will move and he'll be about to wake up. So if you side with Kenny, you do - in fact - murder him.
And if you loot his left pocket, you'll find the wedding ring of his dead wife, which is probably the reason why he is so bitter. I felt really sorry for him when I found that thing.
Another good example of Kenny's character can be seen in Episode 4: Molly takes off with the battery to get the photograph of her sister and Kenny is afraid that she might not come back. Lee reminds him that she has saved his life earlier and can be trusted, to which he replies: "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?"
THIS is exactly his attitude throughout the whole game and the reason why I didn't like him that much during my first playthrough.
But I'm OK with that. I don't think that you are supposed to be his best friend anyway. Even if you are Kenny's lapdog in every single situation, there will still be the disputes with him on the train and in the attic. And even Lee himself will say that Kenny's influence has made him become an asshole if you side with him all the time. I'm not sure if you can consider that an optimal character development for your Lee... But to each his own, I guess.
Personally, I think that the devs actually want the player to become a bit disunited with Kenny as they progress through the game. It causes more tension.
Lee and Kenny are like a much softer version of Rick and Shane from the TV series: They start out as good friends, but as they realize the seriousness of the situation, one of them becomes morally unstable and completely focused on pure survival, no matter what the cost, while the other one tries to maintain his humanity and wants to keep the group together. This leads to some disputes and eventually ends up in a small fight.
At least this is how I've played and enjoyed the game.
If Kenny starts saying you never did anything for him, then it's obviously true. <
No, it wasnt true. It was a horribly unfair thing for him to say. How about saving his wife and son from the St. John's? The fact that after that he could say that my Lee wouldnt be there for his family if they needed it was bull. I tried to be patient with Kenny because of his grief but he just strikes me as a mean person.
Kenny never leaves Lee to die- or anyone(except Larry, but screw Larry, Larry tried to kill you in Ep1) for that matter. In fact, Kenny saves … moreLee's life in Ep1 no matter how badly you treat him. If Kenny starts saying you never did anything for him, then it's obviously true. Even then, you CAN persuade him to help you by telling him Clem's like family to you- no matter HOW badly you treated him. To me, Kenny was always the logical one(except maybe the Larry incident, but that's just one time) while Lily treated everyone like crap. Besides, how can you NOT feel bad for a man who witnessed his son get bitten AND his wife commit suicide on the same day? Besides, Kenny sacrifices his life(maybe? Puts his own life in massive danger, at least) to either put Ben out of his misery or save Christa's life. I wish more people would stop being so blind and ignorant and start actually focusing on the good aspects of Kenny- which outweigh the bad ones.
Anyway… [view original content]
I would always side with Kenny no matter what because Lily is a control freak of a bitch and was even more crazy after her dad was killed and if u fallout with Kenny he always has your back like in Episode 5 when Lee got bitten Kenny still wanted him on the boat I think that's so cool of Kenny there like best friends
I didn't pick a side during the Lilly/Kenny thing. I stayed neutral.
Lilly is a control freak due to her military past, which can be annoyi… moreng at times. But from a survival perspective she has some good points, just like Kenny. Personally I've never seen her as a "villain".
And it's beyond me how anyone can side with Kenny in the meat locker. Pulling a screaming Lilly away forcefully while Kenny smashes her father's head in with a salt lick has to be the most gruesome thing that you can do in the game.
Yes, there was the risk of him dying and reanimating, but there would be other options in a real situation. You could secure his arms so he can't grap anyone and continue with the CPR while Kenny could be standing by with a salt lick or something like that.
His actions were premature.
And you can tell that his main reason for doing it was not the safety of the group but revenge, because back at the drugstore Larry wanted to do the same… [view original content]
I don't believe that Kenny killed Larry out of revenge, but hating Larry certainly made smashing his head in easier. Kenny doesn't say "Welp, he's dead. C'mon Lee, it's smashy time." You can actually see the moment when he shits his pants, when he goes "Shit... is he dead?" followed by "Fuck... if he's dead..." He was afraid (and rightly so) of Larry coming back and killing them all. If he didn't think Larry was dead, he wouldn't have done it. As someone who helped Kenny make sure Larry didn't come back on his first playthrough, I can tell you it wasn't as hard as you'd think (though it WAS still a tough choice) to do it when I thought about Clem. And while Larry may have some cause to be bitter, there was one line in Episode 1 that made me lose any sympathy I may have had for that man: "Hey little boy, before you EAT your mommy, you get to see your dad get his nose broken!" That line should say all that needs to be said about that asshole.
And James... Kenny DOESN'T always have your back if you have a fallout with him. Danny St. John. The door in the pharmacy in Episode 3. There are multiple instances of him NOT having your back because you didn't have his. He has good moments too, but to say he always has your back no matter what is just wrong.
I don't believe that Kenny killed Larry out of revenge, but hating Larry certainly made smashing his head in easier. Kenny doesn't say "Welp, … morehe's dead. C'mon Lee, it's smashy time." You can actually see the moment when he shits his pants, when he goes "Shit... is he dead?" followed by "Fuck... if he's dead..." He was afraid (and rightly so) of Larry coming back and killing them all. If he didn't think Larry was dead, he wouldn't have done it. As someone who helped Kenny make sure Larry didn't come back on his first playthrough, I can tell you it wasn't as hard as you'd think (though it WAS still a tough choice) to do it when I thought about Clem. And while Larry may have some cause to be bitter, there was one line in Episode 1 that made me lose any sympathy I may have had for that man: "Hey little boy, before you EAT your mommy, you get to see your dad get his nose broken!" That line should say all that needs to be said about that asshole.
An… [view original content]
I don't believe that Kenny killed Larry out of revenge, but hating Larry certainly made smashing his head in easier. Kenny doesn't say "Welp, … morehe's dead. C'mon Lee, it's smashy time." You can actually see the moment when he shits his pants, when he goes "Shit... is he dead?" followed by "Fuck... if he's dead..." He was afraid (and rightly so) of Larry coming back and killing them all. If he didn't think Larry was dead, he wouldn't have done it. As someone who helped Kenny make sure Larry didn't come back on his first playthrough, I can tell you it wasn't as hard as you'd think (though it WAS still a tough choice) to do it when I thought about Clem. And while Larry may have some cause to be bitter, there was one line in Episode 1 that made me lose any sympathy I may have had for that man: "Hey little boy, before you EAT your mommy, you get to see your dad get his nose broken!" That line should say all that needs to be said about that asshole.
An… [view original content]
yea if your not up kenny's ass the whole game, hes a backstabbing P.O.S. He only cares about himself. He doesn't even care about his own family other than because he doesn't want to be alone. Thats why I didn't like kenny, and why its annoying to see thread after thread after thread about "kenny's alive" or "bring him back (to life) for season 2."
to me TT is making an epic failure if they brought him back for season 2 because it woul cheapen death in TWD universe, and that's the last thing they should do. Especially since his last scene was him trying to redeem himself for being such a scumbag.
yea if your not up kenny's ass the whole game, hes a backstabbing P.O.S. He only cares about himself. He doesn't even care about his own fam… moreily other than because he doesn't want to be alone. Thats why I didn't like kenny, and why its annoying to see thread after thread after thread about "kenny's alive" or "bring him back (to life) for season 2."
to me TT is making an epic failure if they brought him back for season 2 because it woul cheapen death in TWD universe, and that's the last thing they should do. Especially since his last scene was him trying to redeem himself for being such a scumbag.
Rule #1 in a horror movie is "If you don't see a person die, they aren't dead until you have proof." That is why you see so many threads saying that. You don't see him die, so vi sa vi, he's alive.
yea if your not up kenny's ass the whole game, hes a backstabbing P.O.S. He only cares about himself. He doesn't even care about his own fam… moreily other than because he doesn't want to be alone. Thats why I didn't like kenny, and why its annoying to see thread after thread after thread about "kenny's alive" or "bring him back (to life) for season 2."
to me TT is making an epic failure if they brought him back for season 2 because it woul cheapen death in TWD universe, and that's the last thing they should do. Especially since his last scene was him trying to redeem himself for being such a scumbag.
We never see this guy die, yet he's fucking dead as shit.
"Andrew died somewhere along the way after we saw him last. He's a zombie roaming out there somewhere and we will never see him again. In real life, in that situation...you would never see him again. To run into Andrew again--would be insanely unrealistic. Having him be the statue was a cool way (I thought) to show him as being a zombie--without it having to be kind of weird to show him in the book."-Robert Kirkman
@HelloCthulu
We never see this guy die, yet he's fucking dead as shit.
"Andrew died somewhere along the way after we saw him last. H… moree's a zombie roaming out there somewhere and we will never see him again. In real life, in that situation...you would never see him again. To run into Andrew again--would be insanely unrealistic. Having him be the statue was a cool way (I thought) to show him as being a zombie--without it having to be kind of weird to show him in the book."-Robert Kirkman
(he's referring to this statue, by the way:
@James101
Hate to break it to you, but it is a pretty tried and true rule in the horror genre that noone is dead until you see them dead. the fact that Kirkman says "OH btw this guy died." is still not something that people knew when they read the books, on top of which thats a bit of laziness if you ask me. Boo to you, Kirkman. You are better than that.
Ok, that's a bit far. Just because he said a racist remark doesn't make him a dickhead. I get the feeling that that was more for humor than any actual animosity towards black people, or any symbolism, or designed to make you dislike his character, as this company incorporates humor into most of its games.
Ok, that's a bit far. Just because he said a racist remark doesn't make him a dickhead. I get the feeling that that was more for humor than an… morey actual animosity towards black people, or any symbolism, or designed to make you dislike his character, as this company incorporates humor into most of its games.
I don't defend racism. Not extreme racism. Kenny would be a piece of shit if he hated Lee because he was black. Just believing a stereotype is often the result of being taught from birth that shit. I can tell you that from experience. It's just not fair to hate someone for a stereotype, especially when he can end up loving that same guy like a brother. It takes a lot of time to unlearn shit like that.
Also, on the rape joke front, in my eyes, nothing is sacred.
Nah, pretty sure that racists suck regardless of how funny they come off while being racist. Definitely can't wait to shoot him right in the mouth.
Of course, I'm not surprised that someone who'd make rape jokes would also want to defend racism.
He's not a racist, just ignorant. He even apologizes afterward. If he were actually a racist, he wouldn't have offered Lee a ride to Macon, and he wouldn't have saved Lee's life at the end of Episode 1.
Nah, pretty sure that racists suck regardless of how funny they come off while being racist. Definitely can't wait to shoot him right in the mouth.
Of course, I'm not surprised that someone who'd make rape jokes would also want to defend racism.
We never see this guy die, yet he's fucking dead as shit.
"Andrew died somewhere along the way after we saw him last. He's a zombie roaming out there somewhere and we will never see him again. In real life, in that situation...you would never see him again. To run into Andrew again--would be insanely unrealistic. Having him be the statue was a cool way (I thought) to show him as being a zombie--without it having to be kind of weird to show him in the book."-Robert Kirkman
All the more reason why I just don't like the comic book. Kirkman talking about being "insanely unrealistic" when his stories are overflowing with zombies comes off as a tad pretentious.
@HelloCthulu
We never see this guy die, yet he's fucking dead as shit.
"Andrew died somewhere along the way after we saw him last. H… moree's a zombie roaming out there somewhere and we will never see him again. In real life, in that situation...you would never see him again. To run into Andrew again--would be insanely unrealistic. Having him be the statue was a cool way (I thought) to show him as being a zombie--without it having to be kind of weird to show him in the book."-Robert Kirkman
(he's referring to this statue, by the way:
He's describing what might really happen in a zombie apocalypse. Plus, your suspension of disbelief only goes so far. Granted, he doesn't always follow this (Tyresse and Michonne in particular), but for the most part, when something would definitely NOT happen, it doesn't (not including the gym). Though I do agree, the comics suck.
We never see this guy die, yet he's fucking dead as shit.
"Andrew died somewhere along the way after we saw him last. He's a zombie roa… moreming out there somewhere and we will never see him again. In real life, in that situation...you would never see him again. To run into Andrew again--would be insanely unrealistic. Having him be the statue was a cool way (I thought) to show him as being a zombie--without it having to be kind of weird to show him in the book."-Robert Kirkman
All the more reason why I just don't like the comic book. Kirkman talking about being "insanely unrealistic" when his stories are overflowing with zombies comes off as a tad pretentious.
Racism means more than just Klan members burning crosses. Like, for instance, believing destructive stereotypes about people based on their race. A quick apology doesn't erase the harm of that at all. Which is why I'll have so much glee when I get to finally shoot him right in the mouth.
He's not a racist, just ignorant. He even apologizes afterward. If he were actually a racist, he wouldn't have offered Lee a ride to Macon, and he wouldn't have saved Lee's life at the end of Episode 1.
Racism means more than just Klan members burning crosses. Like, for instance, believing destructive stereotypes about people based on their ra… morece. A quick apology doesn't erase the harm of that at all. Which is why I'll have so much glee when I get to finally shoot him right in the mouth.
Nah, pretty sure that racists suck regardless of how funny they come off while being racist. Definitely can't wait to shoot him right in the mouth.
Of course, I'm not surprised that someone who'd make rape jokes would also want to defend racism.
Nah, pretty sure that racists suck regardless of how funny they come off while being racist. Definitely can't wait to shoot him right in the mouth.
Of course, I'm not surprised that someone who'd make rape jokes would also want to defend racism.
You talk about how Kenny like he is the scum of this earth, and somehow worse then the walkers themselves, but you act like Lilly is a saint, they are both heavily flawed characters, only difference is one maybe murdered someone for good reason, while the other murdered for next to no reason.
Well Kenny killed two people (Shaun should count) and Lilly killed one.
The difference between Kenny killing Larry and Lilly killing Carley is that Kenny methodically planned to kill Larry, while Lilly did it out of emotion.
Just like Lee killed the man cheating with his wife.
There was an old survey presented when I was in uni last year showing that people think killing someone out of emotion is far less of a criminal act than plotting and methodically planning to kill someone, although I can't remember it's name.
But this is logical, no? Someone who kills a man or woman out of raw emotion, like Lee, we assume to be pretty normal in other aspects. But someone who actually plans to kill someone...that is scary.
You talk about how Kenny like he is the scum of this earth, and somehow worse then the walkers themselves, but you act like Lilly is a saint, … morethey are both heavily flawed characters, only difference is one maybe murdered someone for good reason, while the other murdered for next to no reason.
He did plan it out but he had reason to do it as he thought it was right, he didn't slaughter him in cold blood he even said afterwards he felt bad about it. Kenny makes all these "dick decisions" out of logic and for the good of the group and everyone's benefit even if his main goal is him and his family. I agree that Lilly did kill out of emotion in the Carly situation but what about the Doug one? She was going to shoot a kid in the face because she was going on a hunch, regardless of him being the actual traitor we didn't know that at the time.
Well Kenny killed two people (Shaun should count) and Lilly killed one.
The difference between Kenny killing Larry and Lilly killing Carley… more is that Kenny methodically planned to kill Larry, while Lilly did it out of emotion.
Just like Lee killed the man cheating with his wife.
There was an old survey presented when I was in uni last year showing that people think killing someone out of emotion is far less of a criminal act than plotting and methodically planning to kill someone, although I can't remember it's name.
But this is logical, no? Someone who kills a man or woman out of raw emotion, like Lee, we assume to be pretty normal in other aspects. But someone who actually plans to kill someone...that is scary.
Your proof of Kenny planing to kill Larry is where? He clearly did it just because he was on the floor likely dead, if he wanted to so badly kill him, he would have done it long ago.
Well Kenny killed two people (Shaun should count) and Lilly killed one.
The difference between Kenny killing Larry and Lilly killing Carley… more is that Kenny methodically planned to kill Larry, while Lilly did it out of emotion.
Just like Lee killed the man cheating with his wife.
There was an old survey presented when I was in uni last year showing that people think killing someone out of emotion is far less of a criminal act than plotting and methodically planning to kill someone, although I can't remember it's name.
But this is logical, no? Someone who kills a man or woman out of raw emotion, like Lee, we assume to be pretty normal in other aspects. But someone who actually plans to kill someone...that is scary.
Historically speaking, Zombies are probably responsible for fewer terrible things than racists, so yeah... I'mma have to go with team zombie on that one, tbh.
You talk about how Kenny like he is the scum of this earth, and somehow worse then the walkers themselves, but you act like Lilly is a saint, … morethey are both heavily flawed characters, only difference is one maybe murdered someone for good reason, while the other murdered for next to no reason.
Okay lets get this straight, Kenny is a raciest for one comment that he apologizes for and should be killed for that, but Lilly is totally fine? Am I reading that right?
Kenny isn't exactly a saint, neither is Lilly, everyone has flaws, but Kenny is not a racist, he made one simple comment which just rolled off the tongue. He apologised after, why does he desevre to die just because of one stupid comment he regretted after?
If Kenny was a racist, he would of called Lee, Clementine and Christa the N word. Plus, he would of never took Lee and Clementine with him and his family to Macon if he hated blacks.
Comments
Duck was completely safe at that point.
I know right
I didn't pick a side during the Lilly/Kenny thing. I stayed neutral.
Lilly is a control freak due to her military past, which can be annoying at times. But from a survival perspective she has some good points, just like Kenny. Personally I've never seen her as a "villain".
And it's beyond me how anyone can side with Kenny in the meat locker. Pulling a screaming Lilly away forcefully while Kenny smashes her father's head in with a salt lick has to be the most gruesome thing that you can do in the game.
Yes, there was the risk of him dying and reanimating, but there would be other options in a real situation. You could secure his arms so he can't grap anyone and continue with the CPR while Kenny could be standing by with a salt lick or something like that.
His actions were premature.
And you can tell that his main reason for doing it was not the safety of the group but revenge, because back at the drugstore Larry wanted to do the same to Duck when he thought that he was bitten. Kenny said that he was going to kill Larry for threatening his boy and that's exactly what he did in the meat locker.
If you try to revive Larry and get to at least 4 chest compressions, his mouth will move and he'll be about to wake up. So if you side with Kenny, you do - in fact - murder him.
And if you loot his left pocket, you'll find the wedding ring of his dead wife, which is probably the reason why he is so bitter. I felt really sorry for him when I found that thing.
Another good example of Kenny's character can be seen in Episode 4: Molly takes off with the battery to get the photograph of her sister and Kenny is afraid that she might not come back. Lee reminds him that she has saved his life earlier and can be trusted, to which he replies: "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?"
THIS is exactly his attitude throughout the whole game and the reason why I didn't like him that much during my first playthrough.
But I'm OK with that. I don't think that you are supposed to be his best friend anyway. Even if you are Kenny's lapdog in every single situation, there will still be the disputes with him on the train and in the attic. And even Lee himself will say that Kenny's influence has made him become an asshole if you side with him all the time. I'm not sure if you can consider that an optimal character development for your Lee... But to each his own, I guess.
Personally, I think that the devs actually want the player to become a bit disunited with Kenny as they progress through the game. It causes more tension.
Lee and Kenny are like a much softer version of Rick and Shane from the TV series: They start out as good friends, but as they realize the seriousness of the situation, one of them becomes morally unstable and completely focused on pure survival, no matter what the cost, while the other one tries to maintain his humanity and wants to keep the group together. This leads to some disputes and eventually ends up in a small fight.
At least this is how I've played and enjoyed the game.
No, it wasnt true. It was a horribly unfair thing for him to say. How about saving his wife and son from the St. John's? The fact that after that he could say that my Lee wouldnt be there for his family if they needed it was bull. I tried to be patient with Kenny because of his grief but he just strikes me as a mean person.
I would always side with Kenny no matter what because Lily is a control freak of a bitch and was even more crazy after her dad was killed and if u fallout with Kenny he always has your back like in Episode 5 when Lee got bitten Kenny still wanted him on the boat I think that's so cool of Kenny there like best friends
I don't believe that Kenny killed Larry out of revenge, but hating Larry certainly made smashing his head in easier. Kenny doesn't say "Welp, he's dead. C'mon Lee, it's smashy time." You can actually see the moment when he shits his pants, when he goes "Shit... is he dead?" followed by "Fuck... if he's dead..." He was afraid (and rightly so) of Larry coming back and killing them all. If he didn't think Larry was dead, he wouldn't have done it. As someone who helped Kenny make sure Larry didn't come back on his first playthrough, I can tell you it wasn't as hard as you'd think (though it WAS still a tough choice) to do it when I thought about Clem. And while Larry may have some cause to be bitter, there was one line in Episode 1 that made me lose any sympathy I may have had for that man: "Hey little boy, before you EAT your mommy, you get to see your dad get his nose broken!" That line should say all that needs to be said about that asshole.
And James... Kenny DOESN'T always have your back if you have a fallout with him. Danny St. John. The door in the pharmacy in Episode 3. There are multiple instances of him NOT having your back because you didn't have his. He has good moments too, but to say he always has your back no matter what is just wrong.
i wasn't talking about you... but it's funny that you got defensive
EDIT: this was supposed to be posted somewhere else, i dont know why it posted here. Just ignore this post
I meant to say most of the time but what he does is good and he is good to lee and Lee is good to him
and it depends if u side with Kenny all the time though
yea if your not up kenny's ass the whole game, hes a backstabbing P.O.S. He only cares about himself. He doesn't even care about his own family other than because he doesn't want to be alone. Thats why I didn't like kenny, and why its annoying to see thread after thread after thread about "kenny's alive" or "bring him back (to life) for season 2."
to me TT is making an epic failure if they brought him back for season 2 because it woul cheapen death in TWD universe, and that's the last thing they should do. Especially since his last scene was him trying to redeem himself for being such a scumbag.
some parts you said are absolutely right but some aren't
Rule #1 in a horror movie is "If you don't see a person die, they aren't dead until you have proof." That is why you see so many threads saying that. You don't see him die, so vi sa vi, he's alive.
but that's horror movies not all are true so it doesn't really make that rule true as well.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@James101 Wait I'm confused you just said It wasn't Kenny's fault yet you go back and agree Duck was already in the safe zone.
@HelloCthulu
We never see this guy die, yet he's fucking dead as shit.
"Andrew died somewhere along the way after we saw him last. He's a zombie roaming out there somewhere and we will never see him again. In real life, in that situation...you would never see him again. To run into Andrew again--would be insanely unrealistic. Having him be the statue was a cool way (I thought) to show him as being a zombie--without it having to be kind of weird to show him in the book."-Robert Kirkman
(he's referring to this statue, by the way:
Thank you for proving my point...we have proof. Kirkman said it. Done.
@James101
Hate to break it to you, but it is a pretty tried and true rule in the horror genre that noone is dead until you see them dead. the fact that Kirkman says "OH btw this guy died." is still not something that people knew when they read the books, on top of which thats a bit of laziness if you ask me. Boo to you, Kirkman. You are better than that.
What? I did not prove your point. Kirkman released that just t confirm his offscreen death.
It can go both ways @HelloCthulhu. All we know is that his "fate will be explored" he can be dead or alive.
I can't wait to have a chance to shoot that racist dickhead in his zombie face.
Ok, that's a bit far. Just because he said a racist remark doesn't make him a dickhead. I get the feeling that that was more for humor than any actual animosity towards black people, or any symbolism, or designed to make you dislike his character, as this company incorporates humor into most of its games.
Nah, pretty sure that racists suck regardless of how funny they come off while being racist. Definitely can't wait to shoot him right in the mouth.
Of course, I'm not surprised that someone who'd make rape jokes would also want to defend racism.
I don't defend racism. Not extreme racism. Kenny would be a piece of shit if he hated Lee because he was black. Just believing a stereotype is often the result of being taught from birth that shit. I can tell you that from experience. It's just not fair to hate someone for a stereotype, especially when he can end up loving that same guy like a brother. It takes a lot of time to unlearn shit like that.
Also, on the rape joke front, in my eyes, nothing is sacred.
He's not a racist, just ignorant. He even apologizes afterward. If he were actually a racist, he wouldn't have offered Lee a ride to Macon, and he wouldn't have saved Lee's life at the end of Episode 1.
All the more reason why I just don't like the comic book. Kirkman talking about being "insanely unrealistic" when his stories are overflowing with zombies comes off as a tad pretentious.
He's describing what might really happen in a zombie apocalypse. Plus, your suspension of disbelief only goes so far. Granted, he doesn't always follow this (Tyresse and Michonne in particular), but for the most part, when something would definitely NOT happen, it doesn't (not including the gym). Though I do agree, the comics suck.
Racism means more than just Klan members burning crosses. Like, for instance, believing destructive stereotypes about people based on their race. A quick apology doesn't erase the harm of that at all. Which is why I'll have so much glee when I get to finally shoot him right in the mouth.
well said.
EDIT: Wrong thread.
Agree. While Kenny, did murder Larry, I didn't mind as much as I might have because he was a homophobic asshole.
You talk about how Kenny like he is the scum of this earth, and somehow worse then the walkers themselves, but you act like Lilly is a saint, they are both heavily flawed characters, only difference is one maybe murdered someone for good reason, while the other murdered for next to no reason.
Well Kenny killed two people (Shaun should count) and Lilly killed one.
The difference between Kenny killing Larry and Lilly killing Carley is that Kenny methodically planned to kill Larry, while Lilly did it out of emotion.
Just like Lee killed the man cheating with his wife.
There was an old survey presented when I was in uni last year showing that people think killing someone out of emotion is far less of a criminal act than plotting and methodically planning to kill someone, although I can't remember it's name.
But this is logical, no? Someone who kills a man or woman out of raw emotion, like Lee, we assume to be pretty normal in other aspects. But someone who actually plans to kill someone...that is scary.
He did plan it out but he had reason to do it as he thought it was right, he didn't slaughter him in cold blood he even said afterwards he felt bad about it. Kenny makes all these "dick decisions" out of logic and for the good of the group and everyone's benefit even if his main goal is him and his family. I agree that Lilly did kill out of emotion in the Carly situation but what about the Doug one? She was going to shoot a kid in the face because she was going on a hunch, regardless of him being the actual traitor we didn't know that at the time.
Oh great, this threads back.
That was sarcasm by the way.
Your proof of Kenny planing to kill Larry is where? He clearly did it just because he was on the floor likely dead, if he wanted to so badly kill him, he would have done it long ago.
Historically speaking, Zombies are probably responsible for fewer terrible things than racists, so yeah... I'mma have to go with team zombie on that one, tbh.
Okay lets get this straight, Kenny is a raciest for one comment that he apologizes for and should be killed for that, but Lilly is totally fine? Am I reading that right?
Kenny isn't exactly a saint, neither is Lilly, everyone has flaws, but Kenny is not a racist, he made one simple comment which just rolled off the tongue. He apologised after, why does he desevre to die just because of one stupid comment he regretted after?
If Kenny was a racist, he would of called Lee, Clementine and Christa the N word. Plus, he would of never took Lee and Clementine with him and his family to Macon if he hated blacks.