Very disappointed - going to complain to steam

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  • edited August 2012
    Sister of Shane, we dont need a forum thesaurus, calm it down a bit.

    On the contrary, what we don't need are people throwing around baseless accusations meant to discourage debate and foster anger.

    He has legitimate concerns about the game, but he does nothing to constructively criticize it in a way with which will improve production. Have a problem with predictability? What exactly did you find predictable about the plot? Is it because you happen to be genre saavy? These are points that you can bring up to flesh out your argument that Tell Tale can read and actually work to improve their writing.

    Calling somebody a "fan boy" does not. What it is meant to do is incite anger and detract from the original argument. What does it prove to me? That perhaps his "dislike" of the episode stems from nothing but the fact that Tell Tale released the game later than they had previously planned and advertised. And when you are faced with a "debate", the best thing to do when a person resorts to a fallacy is to call them out on the fallacy and move on.

    If he has a legitimate complaint that he wishes to point out, then I am waiting here to have a reasonable debate.
  • edited August 2012
    I could take sides and defend you or I could go with the dude who's getting gang raped by TTg (gasp) fanboys. eitherway it makes no difference to me. I just want the game to come out. The sooner its out the sooner They can get on with another great game and take more of my goddamn money! :D also he does make valid points, just because you are used to ttg's release style, doesn't mean it suits everybody, I know games are released late, but they usually explain the situation (and apologise quickly) I felt if TTg had such an issue they should have just lied properly and said it wasn't even out yet, then no one would be bitching. The forums would still be in the honeymoon stage, where all the speculation about the game is possible, people get on, everyone is simultaneously together because the anticipation is so high we are close to...you know...bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
  • edited August 2012
    What? Thesaurus?

    Man shoot, Sister is a smart and logical women, if you trying to go at her you gotta go harder than that.

    I never said she wasn't, if anything my comment says she is an intelligent woman, I'm saying everyone needs to chill, if sister feels like im being insulting, I'm sure she doesn't need a knight in shining armour to tell people off for her.
  • edited August 2012
    I honestly feel most of the anger at the delays could be averted if telltale would just communicate with us, the consumers. Most of my anger comes from no communication from them. We got designers on here, and other telltale employees that answer nothing, or just make jokes. I find it very hard to believe since the exact middle of august is one week away, and it has been said that the certs for xbox and playstation take about 2 weeks to get clear, that they can't say that it has been submitted yet. I mean to get the game uploaded to xbox, playstation, and steam must take time, really they can't drop us a line to update angry fans?
  • edited August 2012
    I honestly feel most of the anger at the delays could be averted if telltale would just communicate with us, the consumers. Most of my anger comes from no communication from them. We got designers on here, and other telltale employees that answer nothing, or just make jokes. I find it very hard to believe since the exact middle of august is one week away, and it has been said that the certs for xbox and playstation take about 2 weeks to get clear, that they can't say that it has been submitted yet. I mean to get the game uploaded to xbox, playstation, and steam must take time, really they can't drop us a line to update angry fans?

    Here is a good response about being angry. I also agree that they would benefit from being a little more diligent in their communication, especially here on the forums where people take the time to appreciate and critique their work.

    In my opinion they've been a little bit better about staying in contact lately, even if they have been a little vague about the next release date (mid-august is not very descriptive!). I do think that hearing they are on track for their original estimate (for however vague that may be) is a good thing.
  • edited August 2012
    Greenpaw wrote: »
    Honestly, the majority of people I see bitching don't understand a god damn thing about grammar. Regardless, I don't mind Telltale, you're all bitching on the god damn forums like idiots about this company making a great quality game and missing the deadline by a month. Go fuck yourselves, learn to man the hell up. Go bitch to EA, or Activision, the companies that milk franchises dry until there is nothing left, or leave tons of employees out of jobs. It's just infuriating to see such imbeciles ranting about a delay to ensure the quality of a god damn game.

    We paid, thus if we find anything wrong with the promised product, we got the right to complain...

    And by the way, how come it ticks you of so badly that people are complaining? is it not good that people share the complains about the product so the company and the developers might learn? And also so people don't walk around being frustrated all the time?

    Noo instead of that you say we should go fuck ourselves... geezers Christ man, if you write things like that your whole point goes down the drain…

    Or you might respect people that use insults in a discussion to promote the opinion, and belittle other people?
  • edited August 2012
    OP calm down- I'd rather it be released a little later in a polished format than have them release some buggy trash that they expect me to beta test for them on Aug 1st cause they had to meet some release date.
  • edited August 2012
    Are you planning to be killed sometime in the next several months? Expecting zombies to eat your brains this autumn? Or perhaps you think by the time episode 5 is done, you will have aged too much and outgrown your enjoyment of video games? Maybe your PC is making funny noises and you expect it to give up and die before you will get to play all of the episodes?

    No? If you are planning to still be alive and enjoying video games for the next several months at least, then what's the problem? So you have to wait, so what? The episodes will be no less fun later than they are now now. You will still get the same value out of it. Yeah, I'm eager to play the next episode, but then again once they're all done there will be nothing more to look forward too.

    TL;DR - Patience, padawan.
  • edited August 2012
    To all the forum members who are insulting other forum members...

    ...hey... Cut that out.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i9Fa2UrDAk
  • edited August 2012
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  • edited August 2012
    I'm sorry but a thread needs to be made on this. I'm so sick of you TTG loyalists saying that all of us who have legitimate gripes are either whiny or don't love the game as much as you and should just leave and shut up.

    How is that productive at all? And before you even come back with "how is complaining productive?" let me say this: We have legitimate gripes about this game and how it's been released to us. I'm going to go ahead and speak for me personally, but i'm sure this apply's to many others as well.

    Gripe #1 - Fictional Monthly Episode Releases

    I purchased this game because i'm a die hard Walking Dead fan, my brother showed me the trailer for the game and I love the choose factor kind of games where I get to pick what my character is like personality wise and get to watch the story unfold based on the choices I pick. So, naturally, I was very excited about this and despite being on a tight budget due to bills and what-not purchased the 5 episodes season pass to save some money instead of doing one episode at a time.

    Well, this is where the gripe comes in. I have no experience with Telltale, I had no idea this company existed. I just knew that I wanted to play The Walking Dead because it looked awesome(and is in fact an excellent game) and figured one episode a month would be fun to play with.

    For all you Telltale loyalists who "know how they work" and know that they routinely miss release dates, I had no idea about this. I feel taken advantage of about this, they HAD to know that people who weren't familiar with the company would still be interested in this game based on the popularity of the TV show on AMC. I spent my hard earned money on this, with the expectation that i'd get episodes every month, but what happens? I have to wait multiple months just for a new episode. Hell, summer is almost over and we only have 2 episodes!! I'm sorry, but that's just pathetic.

    And before I move on, lemme just say this. 20 bucks might not seem like much, but had I known this wasn't monthly I would have saved that to pay off some bills instead. And furthermore, I have playstation plus, had I known this wasn't go to be monthly I would have just purchased episode by episode and if I had waited I would have gotten the first two FREE and it would have cost less to get the entire season then it did when it first came out.

    Which leads me to....

    Gripe #2 - Free Episodes For Exposure

    I understand the business sense of this, you'll get more fans and more paying customers by letting everyone experience the first two episodes free. But how in the world is this fair to those of us who purchased the season pass? We pay 20 bucks for 5 episodes, but those who just happen upon this gem of a game now, get the first two episodes for free, and only have to pay a total of 15 bucks for the last three.

    How is that okay? How is anyone okay with that? I feel taken advantage of, and I feel used. Had I known this was the plan all along, I would have gladly waited. Though that argument is admittedly stupid, as we all probably would have waited if we knew the first two ep's would be free. Then again, with that said, that's exactly my point. Unfair & downright terrible of Telltale to do.

    Gripe #3 - Lack Of Information

    You'd think they'd have learned from the gap between episode 1's release and episode 2, but nope. Sure, they gave us TWO updates on the release of episode three. Which sounds good, right? Wrong.

    Update one? They said it'd be ready by mid-august. Talk about vague, bout as vague as it gets especially after we learned exactly what they meant. Most people interpreted this as the episode would be done and available for playing, some inferred it'd just be ready for submission to the consoles.

    Then we get update two. Turns out it was the latter, supposedly. Again we have multiple guesses as to what exactly telltale means. They worded this update in the way that it could be interpreted that they were done with the episode and it was being submitted, once it was ready after that they'd let us know. OR it could be inferred that it wasn't ready, that they were almost at the point of submission, and when that happened and was ready they'd let us know.

    Do you see why this angers a lot of us? The VAGUENESS of it is fascinating in it's dis-respectfulness.

    I'm sure this post will be deleted, or the loyalists will come in here and call me a whiner and tell me to eff-off, that the game is so fantastic and theres plenty of stuff to do as we wait. While that's true, and believe me I do a lot m ore than sit on my ass waiting for this game, it's the facts above that get to me and make me angry as a paying customer to TTG. I don't feel like the fact that I wasn't aware that this is how they do business, warrants me getting taken advantage of and lied to.

    Apologies are well and good, but there comes a time where not all the "we are sorry"'s in the world can make up for what TTG is doing. I hope my fellow logical thinking people who were taken advantage of or who feel let down by this whole process can no longer feel persecuted for being justifiably angry.
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited August 2012
    I'm sorry but a thread needs to be made on this.

    Because your thread will inevitably be a duplicate of one of the many other discussions on the subject, I've merged it with this existing thread.
  • edited August 2012
    This is a video game. It was only $30. The full season will come out.

    Yes, Telltale probably shouldn't have said there would be monthly releases. No, they haven't been as transparent about timeframes as possible.

    The reaction here on this forum is out of proportion. Look, I'm an impatient guy, so I know what it is like to be anxious to play the next episode. The froth being generated about a video game being delayed is just absolutely silly, though. Being frustrated that it is delayed is one thing, but the amount of anger here is pure insanity.

    The reasons presented for being upset are logical, but the drama that is being associated with just a delay is facepalm-inducing. Even if Telltale closed their doors tomorrow, you'd only be out $30. Well, pro-rated it'd be more like $18. There is no good reason for this much hostility. At most, everyone should be mildly irritated. Outrage is not the appropriate emotion.
  • edited August 2012
    From the TT letter:

    we can't give you an exact date at this time, we can say that episode three will be ready in the middle of August.

    Middle of August huh? Pretty sure today is the 22nd of August, and the earliest we PS3 guys can get it would be NEXT Tuesday the 28th. Now unless my math is wrong, pretty sure that half of the 31 days of August ISNT the 28th day( IF then).

    Am I bitter? Sure! Did I pay up front for a season bundle that CLEARLY ADVERTISED a monthly released episode? YES! But so did ALOT of people! IF TT doesnt get their stuff together, I think some people will start to loose interest as some really cool new games are rolling out.
  • edited August 2012
    At this moment, I do love Telltale's games and I think they have a great writing staff. I just freaking wished they would at least keep a better and more up to date release schedule. Delays are understandable with any video game, but labeling a release as "Maybe sort of possibly coming out this general time period" is frustrating for any title (Bioware and your "it will come out when it does" Extended Cut!!!).

    Maybe it is how Telltale has done it before, but it does not change the fact it is not fun for fans. It's one thing to ask to be patient (which I can be for a lot of stuff), but it is another when you cannot guarantee a time for when their patience will be rewarded. Giving them a specific date to aim for will sedate their hype, even if you have to delay it to another specific date for a clearly stated reason. It's good to be open with the fans.
  • edited August 2012
    brunner wrote: »
    This is a video game. It was only $30. The full season will come out.

    Yes, Telltale probably shouldn't have said there would be monthly releases. No, they haven't been as transparent about timeframes as possible.

    The reaction here on this forum is out of proportion. Look, I'm an impatient guy, so I know what it is like to be anxious to play the next episode. The froth being generated about a video game being delayed is just absolutely silly, though. Being frustrated that it is delayed is one thing, but the amount of anger here is pure insanity.

    The reasons presented for being upset are logical, but the drama that is being associated with just a delay is facepalm-inducing. Even if Telltale closed their doors tomorrow, you'd only be out $30. Well, pro-rated it'd be more like $18. There is no good reason for this much hostility. At most, everyone should be mildly irritated. Outrage is not the appropriate emotion.

    I don't think his comments were that outrageous, though the tone got a bit loud at times. He is legitimately annoyed with the inconsistency of the release schedule as much as anyone should be. Obviously we shouldn't just shout and rant about it, but if we don't address the complaint so Telltale can see it then it does no one any good.

    And while they are not "trying" to be transparent, the fact they do not follow up when the time frame expires is a bit disconcerting. I don't think they hate the fans at all or anything, but they need to at least give the fans something to be confident about for the release dates even if it means delaying them to a specific date.

    And not everyone has the disposable income to just say "Well it's only $30 dollars" as you imply. I know you were being facetious, but it's honestly not that funny. $30 can get you quite a few things, some probably more essential than just buying a video game. So putting your money into anything should be taken seriously if you expect something from it. Yeah it's not like buying a car or something, but it's still your money and you chose to use X amount of dollars to receive Y object so it is of worth either way.

    Still love the game and want to play the next episode, but this is almost as annoying as waiting for the ME3 Extended Cut when the release date was basically "It will come out when it comes out" (except I expect this to be a lot better than that was).
  • edited August 2012
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    Because your thread will inevitably be a duplicate of one of the many other discussions on the subject, I've merged it with this existing thread.

    The "whats your opinion of telltale" thread would have made more sense, don't know why you chose this one, it is less responded on.... maybe that's why.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited August 2012
    The "whats your opinion of telltale" thread would have made more sense, don't know why you chose this one, it is less responded on.... maybe that's why.

    I could merge both threads into one if that helps you.
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited August 2012
    The "whats your opinion of telltale" thread would have made more sense, don't know why you chose this one, it is less responded on.... maybe that's why.

    Is the weather nice in Conspiracy Land today? I actually went and found this thread so that your post (which you seemed to put a decent amount of effort into) didn't get buried in the thread where the quality of response has basically disintegrated into "no u".
  • edited August 2012
    Just wondering, but do those who order TWDG from Steam get the updates on the same day the new episode gets released ?
  • edited August 2012
    People who are bitchen about the game not bein a game need to step the hell back and relize its labels as a adventure game and like almost every single adventure game basically like old point and clickers it is a interactive story and thats just how the genre works if you dont like the set up best go find a nnew game genre to play in im just saying too many idiots who have bought the game expecting some typical zombie hack em up game and well yer bad not tt's tt problably the only game company that is making the old school adventure platforms and some really good ones and for the name carrying the series. heh TTG has made a name for them selves doing games we old schoolers like they brought back sam and max and moneky island hell jurrassic park and bttf series its how the company works even fables based off another ip.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited August 2012
    j.em26 wrote: »
    Just wondering, but do those who order TWDG from Steam get the updates on the same day the new episode gets released ?


    It seems to be exactly like that.
  • edited August 2012
    im never gonna buy another game from them telltale is dead to me !
  • edited August 2012
    im never gonna buy another game from them telltale is dead to me !

    spoken like a true cappo
  • edited August 2012
    zgamer wrote: »
    And not everyone has the disposable income to just say "Well it's only $30 dollars" as you imply. I know you were being facetious, but it's honestly not that funny.
    If the idea of losing $30 is enough to send someone into a hissy fit on the internet, perhaps they should consider investing their limited funds in something that is not a video game.
  • edited August 2012
    >Middle of August
    >Still not released
  • edited August 2012
    brunner wrote: »
    If the idea of losing $30 is enough to send someone into a hissy fit on the internet, perhaps they should consider investing their limited funds in something that is not a video game.

    30 bucks is a nice bonus to have on a bill, so you can take your stupidity and shove it asshole.

    And is this all about money? No, thats why I listed other reasons why I was/am upset about this game. But hey, i'm not surprised you want to dilute my entire post down into that small fragment so you have something to harp on about.
  • edited August 2012
    30 bucks is a nice bonus to have on a bill, so you can take your stupidity and shove it asshole.

    And is this all about money? No, thats why I listed other reasons why I was/am upset about this game. But hey, i'm not surprised you want to dilute my entire post down into that small fragment so you have something to harp on about.
    I was responding to zgamer, not you. You can tell that because I quoted him in my post.

    Did you even read the post that zgamer was responding to?
  • edited August 2012
    30 bucks is a nice bonus to have on a bill, so you can take your stupidity and shove it asshole.

    Really necessary? If money is that tight, don't spend it on video games.
  • edited August 2012
    brunner wrote: »
    I was responding to zgamer, not you. You can tell that because I quoted him in my post.

    Did you even read the post that zgamer was responding to?

    New conspiracy theory:

    DeadInfection IS zgamer... Dun Dun Dunnnnnnnn. *gasp*
  • edited August 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    Really necessary? If money is that tight, don't spend it on video games.

    you would be surprised what folks will spend $ on when cash is tight.
  • edited August 2012
    Yes a healthy discussion has two sides...A person started this thread to show his disappointment and is then swarmed and told it is pretty much his fault.
    Hate to break it to you, but when you post in an open forum with an unpopular opinion, you open yourself to criticism.
    Fanboy is only offensive if you take it that way. If you take it that way its not my fault. Though I find it funny you have no problem with the people flat out TRYING to insult me.
    That's about as absurd as saying that racial slurs are only offensive if they take it as an insult. You are losing your argument.
  • edited August 2012
    Goldrock wrote: »
    People who are bitchen about the game not bein a game need to step the hell back and relize its labels as a adventure game and like almost every single adventure game basically like old point and clickers it is a interactive story and thats just how the genre works if you dont like the set up best go find a nnew game genre to play in im just saying too many idiots who have bought the game expecting some typical zombie hack em up game and well yer bad not tt's tt problably the only game company that is making the old school adventure platforms and some really good ones and for the name carrying the series. heh TTG has made a name for them selves doing games we old schoolers like they brought back sam and max and moneky island hell jurrassic park and bttf series its how the company works even fables based off another ip.

    And most adventure games require some level of interaction and problem solving to complete them. This one(at least episode 2) is VERY straight forward and requires very little from the player.
    brunner wrote: »
    This is a video game. It was only $30. The full season will come out.

    Yes, Telltale probably shouldn't have said there would be monthly releases. No, they haven't been as transparent about timeframes as possible.

    The reaction here on this forum is out of proportion. Look, I'm an impatient guy, so I know what it is like to be anxious to play the next episode. The froth being generated about a video game being delayed is just absolutely silly, though. Being frustrated that it is delayed is one thing, but the amount of anger here is pure insanity.

    The reasons presented for being upset are logical, but the drama that is being associated with just a delay is facepalm-inducing. Even if Telltale closed their doors tomorrow, you'd only be out $30. Well, pro-rated it'd be more like $18. There is no good reason for this much hostility. At most, everyone should be mildly irritated. Outrage is not the appropriate emotion.

    When you look at it from JUST the delay being the issue here yes it is out of proportion. The real issue here is the delay and the way telltale has been perceived as treating its customer base. Then as an upset customer you come here to the forums and see a bunch of unhappy customers getting ganged up on. Thats the perception this forum gives at least....I've lurked a bit more and think I have a better handle on whats happening, but at first glance this whole thing is fubar'd. Its enough to get you all riled up...
    Hate to break it to you, but when you post in an open forum with an unpopular opinion, you open yourself to criticism.


    That's about as absurd as saying that racial slurs are only offensive if they take it as an insult. You are losing your argument.

    I agree that I didn't express myself like I feel I should of, but as I said its easy to mistake whats happening here on these forums and get riled up. I still stand by the points I made and hope we can move on from previous posts. For my part of it I do apologize, but I still feel the other side crossed the line just as much.
  • edited August 2012
    Buy TWD from the TTG store directly like I did. I'd dare to say the TTG copy runs much smoother than the Steam version, based on what I have been reading:D
  • edited August 2012
    ozzmann wrote: »
    Buy TWD from the TTG store directly like I did. I'd dare to say the TTG copy runs much smoother than the Steam version, based on what I have been reading:D

    hmm i disagree with that lol

    i have the steam pc version and at least on my pc no issues at all
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited August 2012
    It's exactly the same build according to my information.
    If there are problems, they should be identical.
  • edited August 2012
    It's exactly the same build according to my information.
    If there are problems, they should be identical.
    To be fair, additional problems could be introduced by the Steam overlay. I don't know that to be the case, but I do know that I have had issues with it in the past.
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