I think they didn't show it for the reason that they really didn't need to. Originally it seems you would SEE Kenny getting ripped apart and screaming in agony, although it was changed to far more somber tone in the final version. I think Kenny's reason for running off-screen is that it would have genuinely let them get to him quicker. As soon as the camera cuts to Lee's face you can clearly hear Kenny getting pushed down and grunting in pain, and judging from Lee's face it seems he heard him.
If lee survived being cornered in an alley in episode 3, i don't see how our friend/mortal enemy with the awesome stache couldn't have survived. My idea is he shot Ben than out of panic he climbed down a manhole, or went inside a building.
If lee survived being cornered in an alley in episode 3, i don't see how our friend/mortal enemy with the awesome stache couldn't have survived. My idea is he shot Ben than out of panic he climbed down a manhole, or went inside a building.
why dont we just extract is like scolecite said? not like i know what that means or anything! but we found out who the figures were why not extract if kenny was pinned down or not?
Ever since the kenny 'death' in episode 5 there has been tons of discussion and lots of threads about whether he died or escaped. I believe that Kenny is neither dead nor alive but in a state of limbo at the moment because thats the way telltale want it to be. I believe that initially telltale had planned that Kenny would always die in episode 5, this would explain why they had Gavin Hammon(Kenny's VO) record screams of pain which would make it obvious Kenny was being eaten alive. But then I believe when telltale realised they would be making a season 2 they weren't able to decide whether they still wanted to kill off Kenny or have him outright survive,i imagine the writers could have been divided on the issue so they decided to come to a comprimise, they would make the 'death' very ambigious so that they would have the option to bring him back in season 2 if they felt it was the right thing to do or they could never bring him back which would leave the player to assume that he did indeed die in EP 5, I think this theory explains why they decided to remove the kenny screams of pain and Gavin Hammon said keep your hopes up for Kenny is season 2. Your thoughts on this?
I actually agree with you. I always thought it was deliberately ambiguous because at no point does it actually imply he's dead, that's the player that comes to that conclusion. I felt that the situation where he saved Christa made it more clear than Ben's situation. Looking at it, it could have been as you said a development decision to try and craft him into the second season.
Some stories are purposely left open to allow for the future like the ending of Sam and Max left open a happy ending with possibilities for a sequel Kenny's death leaves the possibility of him surviving
I think Kenny will only survive with the Christa ending because I feel that it is fitting that Ben gets Kenny killed in the end...
If lee survived being cornered in an alley in episode 3, i don't see how our friend/mortal enemy with the awesome stache couldn't have survived. My idea is he shot Ben than out of panic he climbed down a manhole, or went inside a building.
It's episode 4, after meeting Molly.
I also thought about that and I think that it's preety plausible that he survived this way.
If lee survived being cornered in an alley in episode 3, i don't see how our friend/mortal enemy with the awesome stache couldn't have survived. My idea is he shot Ben than out of panic he climbed down a manhole, or went inside a building.
This can be further supported by seeing Kenny continue to run to the left after shooting Ben.
As for the Christa version, who would build a room without adding a doorway or window in it?
The walking dead wiki seems to be right about every other character's status in the walking dead universe. I don't know, it just seems a little far fetched that they are only wrong about Kenny's status. Even the games ending results section said he was lost to the herd. If it said he was lost in the herd(or crowd) that would mean his whereabouts were undetermined. When something is lost to something it means they were killed. If someone is lost to the sea it means they drowned. Either Telltale are illiterate and Kenny is brought back for season 2 or they worded Kenny's status correctly and he is dead. I am incline to believe the latter. I think Telltale expected the us to understand what it means when they say someone was lost to the herd.
Am I the only one who thinks, that Kenny just might survived? I saw both ways, but none of them actually showed his dead. And in the ending reviews, it says, that we "lost him in a group of walkers".
So is he dead?
The walking dead wiki seems to be right about every other character's status in the walking dead universe. I don't know, it just seems a little far fetched that they are only wrong about Kenny's status. Even the games ending results section said he was lost to the herd. If it said he was lost in the herd(or crowd) that would mean his whereabouts were undetermined. When something is lost to something it means they were killed. If someone is lost to the sea it means they drowned. Either Telltale are illiterate and Kenny is brought back for season 2 or they worded Kenny's status correctly and he is dead. I am incline to believe the latter. I think Telltale expected us to understand what it means when they say someone was lost to the herd.
Well I think, that TTG is keeping the option open. So it could go both ways... That is my best guess.
But then again, why keep the door open for Kenny, if they are not going to use him...? I'm looking forward to learn, what is happening next:)
I don't think they did keep the door open for him. They just chose not to show his body. They expect us to do the math and read between the lines given our understanding of the world the characters are living in. Chuck died of screen and Kenny died in a way where we could hear him suffering but where unable to help him.
According to the walking dead wiki Kenny was eaten alive. The walking dead wiki seems to be right about every other character's status in the walking dead universe. I don't know, it just seems a little far fetched that they are only wrong about Kenny's status. Even the games ending results section said he was lost to the herd. If it said he was lost in the herd(or crowd) that would mean his whereabouts were undetermined. When something is lost to something it means they were killed. If someone is lost to the sea it means they drowned. Either Telltale are illiterate and Kenny is brought back for season 2 or they worded Kenny's status correctly and he is dead. I am incline to believe the latter. I think Telltale expected us to understand what it means when they say someone was lost to the herd.
How can you be so sure? It's not like we had a view down there. The place he was in, while dark, can't have been completely lockdown without somewhere to go.
Telltale confirmed at the end of the game that Kenny was lost to the herd which means he was killed by the herd. If it said he was lost in the crowd that would mean his whereabouts remains unknown.
The walking dead wiki has Kenny's photo outlined in red like all the other characters in the walking dead universe that are definitely dead. The ones that can have more than one outcome based on chosen scenarios are outlined in purple like Lee who will either turn into a zombie or be killed before transforming.
When I finished the game I understood Telltale's wording, I understood that they meant he was dead. Telltale could have been more clear with the wording and said he was eaten, that would have cleared up any confusion. As it is even if season 2 finished without Kenny featuring in the game people will still be saying that he is alive somewhere and will come back for season 3.
The entire game is a matter of perspective. Why should Kenny's demise (or not) be any different.
Where as the game may "be about perspective" the status of the characters at the end is clear. It says who lived, who died and how the characters died. It doesn't say Kenny's death is unknown it says he was lost to the herd which means the herd took his life. In every other sentence in the English language being lost to something means the cause of someone's death. If it said he was lost IN the crowd of zombies then his status would remain unknown by the ending of the game.
Where as the game may "be about perspective" the status of the characters at the end is clear. It says who lived, who died and how the characters died. It doesn't say Kenny's death is unknown it says he was lost to the herd which means the herd took his life. In every other sentence in the English language being lost to something means the cause of someone's death. If it said he was lost IN the crowd of zombies then his status would remain unknown by the ending of the game.
the rest of the people that were dead it said they were dead, lost to the herd means he was lost from the group in a herd of zombies and they didn't know if he was dead or not.
"In every other sentence in the English language being lost to something means the cause of someone's death"
saying someone is lost to something does not always mean dead, it is used in an ambiguous way a lot, like i could say "my friend was lost to drug addiction" that could mean they aren't the same person any more or it could mean they are dead or it could mean i don't even know if they are dead or not
I think Kenny survived. Maybe Molly helped. Why ? Because she is still in the Savannah. She is fast, silent, strong. He can not die. This is imposible. If he dies, everything goes down. Because they need someone to tell the whole story to other people. Kenny can protect Clementine. Not Omid/Crista. Kenny and Lee are best friend.(If you sided with Kenny in the whole story) Lee were there Kenny and Kenny were there Lee. He will come back in season 2. Think about it. Crista jumps hole. And then Kenny jumps hole. He saved Crista. Then we saw him. He were killing walkers.(Shooting them) Then walkers gone. He said get off me. But we can't know he bitt. I know, we heard his scream but walkers gone. That makes sense. Everything silent. This means, maybe Kenny jumped through the windows. Or maybe he found the back door of the building. Or he found some hole. And Ben: We saw him when he was falling down. Yes, Kenny went to his near. Then, Lee and Kenny discussed. And then, Kenny pushed him. Locked the door. Now stop and think for a second. When we are at the house.(Escaping the walkers) Two person on the bed. When we choose "Might've been the right choice" Then, Kenny " Don't you say that ". I know he said " You stick it out as long as you can. You do whatever you have to. " But then Kenny " So let's figure a way outta here ". That means, he choose to survive. He choose to fight for survive. I don't think, he shot Ben and shot himself. This is imposible. Think !
I have a nasty feeling Telltale will give us a "shock" moment in the sequel when the new PC runs into a walker...who just happens to be Kenny. If we can't regain our composure fast enough to kill him, Kenny would then sink his teeth into the PC. It's a horrible, sadistic thing to do the player, which is exactly why I expect Telltale will do it. (Because they're secretly evil S.O.B.s)
On the other hand, what Telltale could do is put us through another emotional gauntlet for season 2, and just when we're about ready to jump off a rooftop after finishing the game...up pops a non-walker Kenny in the final seconds, much like how Captain Barbossa returned in the second PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN movie. It would end the game on a triumphant note after all the darkness we had to endure prior, and the player would be all the more excited and anxious to see what will happen in season 3.
I'd be more interested by how Kenny would fit into the plot for season 2, assuming he escaped alive and unbitten. He'd have to be given another reason for living, considering that he appeared suicidal for a long time after Duck and Katjaa were killed. Maybe he could adopt some kind of surrogate son? It's pretty likely there would be a lot of orphans running around, thanks to the zombie apocalypse.
He's definately not definately dead. While the video did bring up some good points, I still feel that there is a possibility (albeit a low one) of Kenny's survival. I got the Christa death scene, where Kenny most assuredly does not give up. It's not inconcievable that he could have found a door somewhere and escaped the building, because, really, who builds a room with no doors? The fact that many of his death noises were cut out indicates (in my mind) that TT wants to leave his character open for the next season. If they use him then, then we know he survived. If we don't see him, then I'd think that he was really dead.
It's much less likely that he made it out of the alley, admittedly, but this may be a point that TT uses in Season 2. Perhaps, depending on which version of his "death" you got, that dictates his fate in the second season. With Ben, he is dead. He died in the alley after giving up and locking himself in. With Christa, he's alive and found a door out of the room (just barely) and managed to find a safe place somewhere. Since he doesn't appear to give up in that version, he could still decide to live on and perhaps link up with Omid, Christa, and Clem after he escapes Savannah. Here's hoping for Kenny in season 2.
Have you not heard this terrible scream? I am very sorry that left no additional cartridge, Oh God how is it Kenny suffered before he's dying... nobody deserves to die like that
Have you not heard this terrible scream? I am very sorry that left no additional cartridge, Oh God how is it Kenny suffered before he's dying... nobody deserves to die like that
I have heard these cries when I played, it was just very quiet cry, I have a powerful headphones, so I heard it. But in this video shows us this cry without background noise.
Good points were made on the video,this is my opinion on the whole Kenny thing. I believe that Kenny is neither dead nor alive but in a state of limbo at the moment because thats the way telltale want it to be. I believe that initially telltale had planned that Kenny would always die in episode 5, this would explain why they had Gavin Hammon(Kenny's VO) record screams of pain which would make it obvious Kenny was being eaten alive. But then I believe when telltale realised they would be making a season 2 they weren't able to decide whether they still wanted to kill off Kenny or have him outright survive,i imagine the writers could have been divided on the issue so they decided to come to a comprimise, they would make the 'death' very ambigious so that they would have the option to bring him back in season 2 if they felt it was the right thing to do or they could never bring him back which would leave the player to assume that he did indeed die in EP 5, I think this theory explains why they decided to remove the kenny screams of pain and Gavin Hammon said keep your hopes up for Kenny is season 2.
Kenny if he lives, could turn out to be a bad guy, like the the Stranger... Driven mad by loss of his family, and any friends he once had (either because they died or he believed they had betrayed him).
Would he trust Clementine, or consider a threat after her betrayal?
Kenny if he lives, could turn out to be a bad guy, like the the Stranger... Driven mad by loss of his family, and any friends he once had (either because they died or he believed they had betrayed him).
Would he trust Clementine, or consider a threat after her betrayal?
Great idea. Perhaps he joins up with the group(among which is our PC) and slowly deteriorates as time goes on, and ends up becoming an enemy. We're forced to fight him or throw him out to keep the group safe, all while helplessly watching him fall into darkness.
Or perhaps he could be given renewed hope and turns over a new leaf depending on if we as the PC support and assist him throughout the episodes.
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He was saved by the stache.
I think Kenny will only survive with the Christa ending because I feel that it is fitting that Ben gets Kenny killed in the end...
Still in denial mode, but ya know xD
It's episode 4, after meeting Molly.
I also thought about that and I think that it's preety plausible that he survived this way.
(Sorry for my English, if i misspeld sth)
This can be further supported by seeing Kenny continue to run to the left after shooting Ben.
As for the Christa version, who would build a room without adding a doorway or window in it?
According to the walking dead wiki Kenny was eaten alive. The walking dead wiki seems to be right about every other character's status in the walking dead universe. I don't know, it just seems a little far fetched that they are only wrong about Kenny's status. Even the games ending results section said he was lost to the herd. If it said he was lost in the herd(or crowd) that would mean his whereabouts were undetermined. When something is lost to something it means they were killed. If someone is lost to the sea it means they drowned. Either Telltale are illiterate and Kenny is brought back for season 2 or they worded Kenny's status correctly and he is dead. I am incline to believe the latter. I think Telltale expected us to understand what it means when they say someone was lost to the herd.
The walking dead wiki has Kenny's photo outlined in red like all the other characters in the walking dead universe that are definitely dead. The ones that can have more than one outcome based on chosen scenarios are outlined in purple like Lee who will either turn into a zombie or be killed before transforming.
When I finished the game I understood Telltale's wording, I understood that they meant he was dead. Telltale could have been more clear with the wording and said he was eaten, that would have cleared up any confusion. As it is even if season 2 finished without Kenny featuring in the game people will still be saying that he is alive somewhere and will come back for season 3.
the rest of the people that were dead it said they were dead, lost to the herd means he was lost from the group in a herd of zombies and they didn't know if he was dead or not.
"In every other sentence in the English language being lost to something means the cause of someone's death"
saying someone is lost to something does not always mean dead, it is used in an ambiguous way a lot, like i could say "my friend was lost to drug addiction" that could mean they aren't the same person any more or it could mean they are dead or it could mean i don't even know if they are dead or not
Every point of his death is examined in this video. This video is mostly a response on the controversy around his death. Enjoy.
On the other hand, what Telltale could do is put us through another emotional gauntlet for season 2, and just when we're about ready to jump off a rooftop after finishing the game...up pops a non-walker Kenny in the final seconds, much like how Captain Barbossa returned in the second PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN movie. It would end the game on a triumphant note after all the darkness we had to endure prior, and the player would be all the more excited and anxious to see what will happen in season 3.
I don't think for a second they left his "death" vague on accident.... alive or dead, we'll find out - and at the worst possible time.
Save like 3 bullets in the mansion shooting scene then when Kenny tells you to go say 'Okay' and you give him the bullets.
It's much less likely that he made it out of the alley, admittedly, but this may be a point that TT uses in Season 2. Perhaps, depending on which version of his "death" you got, that dictates his fate in the second season. With Ben, he is dead. He died in the alley after giving up and locking himself in. With Christa, he's alive and found a door out of the room (just barely) and managed to find a safe place somewhere. Since he doesn't appear to give up in that version, he could still decide to live on and perhaps link up with Omid, Christa, and Clem after he escapes Savannah. Here's hoping for Kenny in season 2.
Those screams are cut for a reason you know
I have heard these cries when I played, it was just very quiet cry, I have a powerful headphones, so I heard it. But in this video shows us this cry without background noise.
So you want to say that quiet screams Kenny in the game it just a games bug?
Would he trust Clementine, or consider a threat after her betrayal?
I heard no screams from Kenny in my death scene (Ben/Kenny Death scene)
Great idea. Perhaps he joins up with the group(among which is our PC) and slowly deteriorates as time goes on, and ends up becoming an enemy. We're forced to fight him or throw him out to keep the group safe, all while helplessly watching him fall into darkness.
Or perhaps he could be given renewed hope and turns over a new leaf depending on if we as the PC support and assist him throughout the episodes.
Maybe those screams you heard are from Ben, not Kenny.