What's with everyone hating on Kenny?
I don't get it.
In my playthrough of the game, he was the closest person to me besides Clem.
I don't understand why people hate him for the things he did. Lets put you guys in his situations.
1. If Clem or Shawn is in trouble, wouldn't you make sure Clem is safe before Shawn is? Especially if there's another person around to help the other.
2. If Larry would be screaming that Clem is bitten and want's to throw her out, wouldn't you get defensive and wanna punch him in the face?
3. If you looted the entire area around you and ran out of resources wouldn't you want to move on if you had your own RV? Nothing left.
4. (The most debatable one, but I will always side with Kenny here) Killing Larry. I am stunned by how many people decided to try and save him. Are you guys serious? This guy was a complete arse to you the entire time. He tried to KILL YOU in EP 1 and threatened you/blackmailed you in episode 2. He was not afraid to kill you if he had the chance. In fact by trying to kill you he put Clem's life in danger more or less the same as Ben did leaving her.
And now you're in a locked room with someone who's known to have heart issues who just dropped and stopped breathing. You and your family is in danger of getting eaten by a really strong zombie with no way out.
Are you REALLY going to try and revive someone like that? Understanding very well that if you don't get it in time you just doomed everyone in that room, you, Clem, Kenny everyone. Dead. And people seem to blame Kenny for doing what he did?
Everyone can have their own opinions on this topic, but I would never put everyone at risk to try and save some that is a complete POS and is about to turn and kill you all. Kenny was absolutely in the right state of thinking here.
5. If Clem was bitten... wouldn't YOU want to hold out on killing her? Wouldn't you want to grasp on to hope and have every last second with her? It's not like he didn't come to his sense's... He did what he had to do at the very end, if you say you forced him, that's what the group is there for. Supporting each other.
Hell if Clem was bitten I would just turn off the game because I wouldn't be able to kill her. In fact in real life I don't know how I would react to something like this. Kenny was extremely strong by the end of all this.
I'll skip a lot of the minor parts here and go to EP 4
6. Finally, if you found out that Ben took away everything you had in your life... Let's say Ben got Clem killed, caused numerous other deaths and was lying to you this entire time, wouldn't YOU want him dead in the spur of the moment? At the end of the day you all have emotions.
I can keep going on and on... but every time I hear people talk about how much Kenny was an asshole I just do not get it. What would you do so different in his position? What makes him such an asshole? Because he always faced reality and told things like they were? He was just a man trying to take care of his family. What's with all the hate on him?
In fact, by the end of the game Kenny was the only one I trusted with Clem. Not only would Clem become part of Kenny's family this way (Thus giving Kenny a reason to keep going now) but I damn well know he would do everything in his power to protect her. Whatever it is, he would do whats best for her safety.
In my playthrough of the game, he was the closest person to me besides Clem.
I don't understand why people hate him for the things he did. Lets put you guys in his situations.
1. If Clem or Shawn is in trouble, wouldn't you make sure Clem is safe before Shawn is? Especially if there's another person around to help the other.
2. If Larry would be screaming that Clem is bitten and want's to throw her out, wouldn't you get defensive and wanna punch him in the face?
3. If you looted the entire area around you and ran out of resources wouldn't you want to move on if you had your own RV? Nothing left.
4. (The most debatable one, but I will always side with Kenny here) Killing Larry. I am stunned by how many people decided to try and save him. Are you guys serious? This guy was a complete arse to you the entire time. He tried to KILL YOU in EP 1 and threatened you/blackmailed you in episode 2. He was not afraid to kill you if he had the chance. In fact by trying to kill you he put Clem's life in danger more or less the same as Ben did leaving her.
And now you're in a locked room with someone who's known to have heart issues who just dropped and stopped breathing. You and your family is in danger of getting eaten by a really strong zombie with no way out.
Are you REALLY going to try and revive someone like that? Understanding very well that if you don't get it in time you just doomed everyone in that room, you, Clem, Kenny everyone. Dead. And people seem to blame Kenny for doing what he did?
Everyone can have their own opinions on this topic, but I would never put everyone at risk to try and save some that is a complete POS and is about to turn and kill you all. Kenny was absolutely in the right state of thinking here.
5. If Clem was bitten... wouldn't YOU want to hold out on killing her? Wouldn't you want to grasp on to hope and have every last second with her? It's not like he didn't come to his sense's... He did what he had to do at the very end, if you say you forced him, that's what the group is there for. Supporting each other.
Hell if Clem was bitten I would just turn off the game because I wouldn't be able to kill her. In fact in real life I don't know how I would react to something like this. Kenny was extremely strong by the end of all this.
I'll skip a lot of the minor parts here and go to EP 4
6. Finally, if you found out that Ben took away everything you had in your life... Let's say Ben got Clem killed, caused numerous other deaths and was lying to you this entire time, wouldn't YOU want him dead in the spur of the moment? At the end of the day you all have emotions.
I can keep going on and on... but every time I hear people talk about how much Kenny was an asshole I just do not get it. What would you do so different in his position? What makes him such an asshole? Because he always faced reality and told things like they were? He was just a man trying to take care of his family. What's with all the hate on him?
In fact, by the end of the game Kenny was the only one I trusted with Clem. Not only would Clem become part of Kenny's family this way (Thus giving Kenny a reason to keep going now) but I damn well know he would do everything in his power to protect her. Whatever it is, he would do whats best for her safety.
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I'll add the tag. :rolleyes:
I've listened to maybe 10-12 gaming podcast by now talking about TWD and a good portion of these podcast all hate Kenny and think he's an asshole. I just don't get it =/
1.After he saved duck why did he run away instead of help me with shawn?
2. Larry wasn't even dead, he didn't even want to try to CPR with us or at least check his pulse before smashing his head in. Larry was a scumbag but keep in mind, if Larry wouldn't have died then Lilly wouldn't have freaked out and shot Carly.
3. When I shot the girl in the street out of mercy, we went and looted the store, zombies broke in and I was trapped under the door with 2 zombies on top of it. That dick face just stood there and watched me struggle for my life. I mean thats practically killing me, but I got out and when confronted he just said something like "well, you got out didn't you? Everything worked out".
What the hell Kenny.
Seriously?
@ topic:
I don't hate Kenny, I supported him throughout my first playthrough. I even let him beat me when we were on the train. But in the end he didn't want to help find Clem (I had to beg him for his help) and he wanted to have "an adult conversation" about how to end my life. So, well, I guess he wasn't the best friend either.
He was fundamentally a good guy, but way too fickle. After everything we'd been through together for him to turn around and go " i am a christian man, but you haven't had my back" was massively prickish when I was bitted and needed his help to save clem. I managed to convince him, but it was still a big "WTF Ken" moment.
My decisions with Kenny were
1. Tried to save Shawn
2. Defended Kenny from Hershel's accusations/ told him shawns death wasn't his fault
3. "we reason with him"
4. Fed him and Duck (along with Clem and Carley)
5. Was on the fence with him and Lilly's arguing, leaning towards Kenny
6. Helped him deal with Larry
7. Told him i was a killer
8. Thought he should be the one to shoot Duck.
9. Comforted him and showed compassion over Duck & Kat
10. Killed to boy in the attic myself
11. Dropped Ben with his consent.
So its not like i was an arsehole towards him, the majority of those are pro Kenny and most of those that aren't were in episode 1, at the end of which i got the "especially a good friend" line.
The only one i'm not sure about was killing Duck, does he like you more or less if you do it? I just thought it should be Ducks family to do it. Maybe thats where i damaged our relationship.
Kenny is a prime example of the "Either you're with me, or you're against me" kind of guy.
The meat locker scene is basically the "make or break" moment in regards to your relationship with Kenny/Lilly. I suppose that was the only real time when I got irritated with Kenny; if I decide to save Larry, he doesn't even try to understand where I'm coming from, or the fact that I had to make an unpleasant choice under extreme duress.
Kenny is often a meathead, but at least he's a likeable meathead. The locker sequence (and its aftermath) was the one exception for me.
Weird.... because I did the exact same choices as you (As far as I remember) with the exception I left Ben alive, and he didn't have a problem going with me. I mean he didn't volunteer at the 1st chance but he never said I didn't have his back, All I did was say that Clem is my family and he agreed saying "Hell, at the end of the day, Family is all we have left right? I'm in."
Did you fight him on the train? And I guess the manner you talk to him most likely comes into play.
But it seems like my playthrough was one of the few where we had each others back till the end. At least it felt that way to me.
No i did manage to convince him to come the same way as you did, but he came ultimately i thought because of Clementine/ playing the family car and not because he felt any loyalty to me.
I mean i know he did come in the end, but i thought that after everything we'd been through i wouldn't have to twist his arm, it hurt when you look over for what he has to say and he said no, especially when Omid and Christa who were still near strangers lept at the chance.
Which is why I had such little patience for Kenny when he was saying Duck would be fine. But when it came time for Duck to be put down, both myself and my husband chose to shoot Duck for him. I think it was the right choice (obviously lol, or I would've made a different one), but I do wish that Kenny had manned up in that situation. It was the one I was not too sympathetic to him in.
"Do you think I liked doing what I did? I'm the kind of guy who couldn't stand letting our dog be put down."
"What if it were Katjaa or Duck? Could you do the hard thing then?"
"Never gonna happen."
Then it happens, and he fails to act upon it. He puts everyone's life in danger, similar to the meat locker situation. It's actually canon that everyone would die if Lee didn't act. I understand that it's his kid, but it is hypocritical of him. It just shows how insensitive he was too Lilly, he didn't even give her the chance to revive Larry.
But the absolutely worse thing about Kenny is this line he gave me:
"Lee, man... You know I care about Clementine, and I am a Christian man. But if it were me, asking you for help, would you be there for me? Because there's been plenty of times you haven't been."
Well, excuuuseee me but I helped save your family so many times in the past and when I ask you to return my good deeds, you tell me that? What is his fucking problem man, he'd let a little girl die because I didn't help him kill people (only times I disagreed with Kenny was killing Larry and Beatrice).
Me and Kenny have always been bros, considering I helped him kill Larry:P
I can understand how you could hate him if you did not, though. Hate may be a bit of a strong word, though.
1. Kenny did choose to save his son which is understandable but the fact once he had done so he didn't even attempt to save Shawn, he just ran away like a coward.
2. Kenny wasn't in the wrong here. His son was being threatened and was assumed to be bitten (which he wasn't) I'm sure if it was anyone's son they would do the same.
3. Kenny tried to force his decisions onto other people which Kenny I don't think made a good leader in any way at all. Everyone should have had a say in what they wanted to do rather than Kenny making everyone do what he wanted. Although he did have a good point that all the resources in the surrounding area had been drained.
4. I believe by attempting to save him you're making the right decision, but I also agree with killing him because if Larry had came back then that would of doomed them all. The truth is saving Larry was the only human thing to do at that time, as sad as it sounds I have morals (even in game play) I believe in keeping the humanity and by saving Larry or attempting should I say is sustaining that humanity. Other people can feel free to disagree but this is just what I personally think.
5. If Clementine was bitten I'd do the same as Katjaa, I'd spend the last amount of time I had with her. I know what would have to happen and I know it would have to be taken care of but I wouldn't kill myself like Katjaa. Kenny was hurting throughout the process of Duck worsening. He knew what had to happen but he was in denial of it because of what had happened in Episode 1 - A New Day. The incident with Shawn, Lee also points this out in Episode 3
6. I agree with this only very dearly though, I believe in forgiveness but I don't believe Ben should have been killed but cut loose from the rest of the group. He should of just been dumped, Kenny had every right to be upset/angry at Ben but the death sentence he was threatening was unfair. I think if you're going to live in a new world then you've still got to have some humanity, that's the only way you'll get by.
I hope I helped answer your questions. Overall not everyone hates Kenny as much as it seems, a lot of people are quite fond of him. But, my personal opinion I think he's a coward and selfish, there's been too many occasions when Lee has been in danger and Kenny hasn't stepped up and helped. (I think this is when you disagree with him though, not sure) Either way I've never been fond on Kenny.
~Bloss
In my pro-Kenny playthrough though, I love how Lee said in the end; "Kenny, he was my friend. We were assholes together." I also love his bro-speech, made me teary Dx
^this
He is only a dick if you are the dick first. He always has your back if you have his.
"Lee, man... You know I care about Clementine, and I am a Christian man. But if it were me, asking you for help. Would you be there for me? Because there's been plenty of times, when you haven't been."
Oh, well excuse me Kenny. The only times I was there for you and your family was:
Oh but nooo, I was totally not there for your and your family. The worst thing is how he'd leave a little girl to die over a grudge with me. Kenny really was a horrible person for most of the game. I believe he redeemed himself in episode five but even then... I understand why people hate him.
Kenny betrays you if you don't indulge his murder fetish.
Thus, I hate Kenny.
Actually, if Kat had been there I probably would have tried to save him.
No i meant if kat was there instead of kenny. she would killed larry as well
"What happened to Larry when you were trapped in the fridge?"
"I was giving him CPR with Lilly when Kenny put an end to it.."
"What did he do?"
"He smashed his head in."
*gasp*
"... Katjaa."
"Everything keeps changing..."
I agree. In fact, I would go a step further to say that Kenny killing Larry contributed to Katjaa opting out. Duck played a huge role in Katjaa's suicide, no doubt about that. But Kenny's decision in the meat locker seemed to have shocked Katjaa so great that she saw the ZA had changed Kenny so much to the point he was no longer the husband she knew. So when Duck died, Katjaa probably saw she had nothing left in the world. This is, of course, totally based on conjecture.
I don't think this necessarily makes Kenny a despicable character. It just makes him more interesting, and it definitely explains why he's so quick to turn on Lee after just one decision.
This was NOT what happened with Shawn and Duck. Kenny saved Duck first yes and that is understandable, what he did after that was not. He got Duck to safety, then, knowing Duck was safe and that Shawn was still in danger, ran away after we were screaming for his help.
The rest of Kenny's actions were understandable to a degree, but this, along with the fact that he is a giant baby if you disagree with him on ANYTHING, was the main reason I didn't trust him. Cowardly and immature.
1. The problem is, Clem wasn't dragged into this. Kenny rescued Duck. That's fine and all, but he could just put Duck down and help Lee save Shawn. Instead, he ran away. That's a real heroic move. He does look out for his family and that's nice but he had the chance to help save Shawn and he didn't do it!
2. Larry's not such an asshole. He warned you at the end of episode 1 to not hurt "That little girl", meaning Clementine. And again, Clem wasn't involved in anything like that.
3. Okay, with this i agree. I may be against some moves that Kenny did but he's still my bud, i don't hate him entirely. I agreed with the RV idea as it seemed smart. They couldn't survive in the motor inn forever.
4. I strongly disapprove of this. Alright, fine. Larry was an asshole in episode 1, i thought so too. Have you talked to Lily about him in episode 2 though, in the dairy? That changed my opinion about him.
Larry at first seemed like a senseless prick. But, if you look deep into this, you may realize he has good intentions. He doesn't trust you, as you murdered someone in the past. Wouldn't you be just a little bit uncomfortable around a guy who killed a person recently? Because i would.
Larry has lost everyone dear to him, except Lily, his daughter. With that, he became extra protective, hence why he acts so harsh. Larry's afraid because there's a murderer in the group, Lee might harm Lily.
His relationship with Brenda before everything went to hell also suggests that once upon a time, he was a nice guy. His wife is more likely dead now though. That's a traumatic experience that changes a person, and Larry became way too serious. And i can't truly blame him.
Have you ever heard of the definition of a "Jerk with a heart of gold"? His little personality he has can't be liked, but he cares about his daughter and he would do anything to protect her. He doesn't deserve to die because of that.
Not to mention, Larry was still alive. How can i prove this, you may ask? When you try to save him, when you give him CPR, if you click enough times, Larry will start breathing, signified by him opening his mouth. You know..right before it's smashed by a salt lick in front of Clementine's eyes?
A walker is usually recognizable by his rotten skin. David, coming back about..10-20 minutes after he dies, looked like he had just that.
Larry didn't.
See where i'm going here?
Anyway, that was a pretty huge rant so i'm just gonna move on.
5. I was nice to Duck and the information he was bitten, and in every playtrough i did, i chose the best options and holded out on the fact he would turn. Duck was annoying in episode 1 and 2 but i can't bring myself to kill a child, that would just make me look like i truly don't care about anything.
6. Now this is truly a 50/50 kind of thing. Me myself, i despised Ben. He made a deal with the bandits and never even told the group about that problem. Not to mention how he nearly screwed the group over by removing the axe from the door handles. Didn't it look just a little bit like a barricade? See, the game WANTS you to hate him. And with that, i guess i'm gonna follow along with the game's plans when it comes to Ben.
All in all..even though i hated Ben, i couldn't bring myself to drop him in the bell tower. I agreed with Kenny about how he's useless but i can't bring myself to kill a being that wants to mean good. I'm not a monster.
Not to mention, try to save Larry. After that, just because you disagreed with him, he didn't help you twice and he had an attitude from there on. As a zombie apocalypse goes, a reason to turn against Lee like that is just childish and stupid.
Anyway, that's all i got i guess. Feel free to say whatever you want about my post.