Clementine hatred

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  • edited April 2013
    crispy01 wrote: »
    Just don't google it. Ever. In fact, just never google rule 34 ever.

    You really wanna listen to this man, I didn't listen when people told me, and I saw things I never wanted to see... never... ever...:eek:
  • edited April 2013
    ZeroShoot wrote: »
    You really wanna listen to this man, I didn't listen when people told me, and I saw things I never wanted to see... never... ever...:eek:

    No, no, please, I don't want! ^^ I told about that higher, it's just disgusting, my God there are so much sick people...
  • edited April 2013
    SANAFABICH wrote: »
    Actually some people REALLY like her. Cue google clementine rule 34.

    ... I want to unsee all o' that...
  • edited April 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    Lee's grave? Who will bury him?

    In general I like this idea. I prefer the story of another group of survivors, where Clem will be episodic character (as Molly or Chuck), or Clem will not be at all, but I want to know that she's all right. It's better than do her main character again, and one day helplessly watch as she dies.

    P.S. There is nothing bad in the fact that people love character - Clementine, seriously she's most beautifull character what I ever saw, but people, please remember that this is just a fictional character, not a real child. And please, don't take this fanaticism to madness, it's disgusting, you pollute the concept of family happiness and love.

    Clementine would either go back later and get Lee's body(Whatever is left of it)

    Or she'll just make a grave for him with no body underneath. It would be symbolic for her, allow her to move on
  • edited April 2013
    Clem might put a wooden cross in the ground and some Flowers. Talk to Lee's grave and move on. Be a good part to the story. Maybe no vision of Lee, Just Clem telling him how she misses him by a grave.
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    edited April 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    And please, don't take this fanaticism to madness, it's disgusting, you pollute the concept of family happiness and love.

    Like there's something unpolluted left in it over the span of humankind.
  • edited April 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    my God there are so much sick people...
    Yep there are... and they really do
    zev_zev wrote:
    pollute the concept of family happiness and love.

    I just don't understand how they can create such pictures some of them are really... disturbing... well, however luckily it's only very few people, the majority is like all of us here on this forums.
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    edited April 2013
    ZeroShoot wrote: »
    I just don't understand how they can create such pictures some of them are really... disturbing... well, however luckily it's only very few people, the majority is like all of us here on this forums.

    Enough people on this forum are also borderline creepy regarding Clementine.
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    Enough people on this forum are also borderline creepy regarding Clementine.

    Despite such normal, serious threads like this one here, where most people discuss a real, serious topic/question regarding the game, of which we have many, I only stumble upon sick/crazy/creepy threads every now and then, probably like 1 every 1 or 2 months, while such threads like this one for example are usually created once every 1 or 2 days (If there were more topics, that weren't discussed to hell and back already, we'd have way more...)

    I guess "enough" is up to everyone's perception. Maybe it's just, that I don't see them, due to our great forum mods, who delete those nasty/creepy threads right away.
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    edited April 2013
    ZeroShoot wrote: »
    Despite such normal, serious threads like this one here, where most people discuss a real, serious topic/question regarding the game, of which we have many, I only stumble upon sick/crazy/creepy threads every now and then, probably like 1 every 1 or 2 months, while such threads like this one for example are usually created once every 1 or 2 days (If there were more topics, that weren't discussed to hell and back already, we'd have way more...)

    I guess "enough" is up to everyone's perception. Maybe it's just, that I don't see them, due to our great forum mods, who delete those nasty/creepy threads right away.

    I'm talking about the whole lot wearing her as an avatar (not exclusively) and constantly writing how beautiful and smart she is and how they're there to protect her and shit. I instantly draw a comparison between the people crazy in love with Clem and crazy in love with Carley, because these groups are really the ones that emerged the most... boomingly. And I'm not liking that comparison at all. Being obsessed with a little girl is never a dope sign in my book.

    And then there's the whole Rule 34 bunch, but I'm more inclined to think that they're trolling the crazy obsessed dudes, which once again makes the trolls less weird then the lot mentioned previously.

    Seriously. Obsession and little girls do not go well together. Stop creeping me out.
  • edited April 2013
    Gentlemen, let's not talk about such terrible things.
  • edited April 2013
    Oh god, one person mentioned "Rule 34" and it has turned into another therapy thread... :(
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity seems to be a rebel of society. People like Clementine therefore I shall not because I am cool and so different.
  • ProfanityProfanity Banned
    edited April 2013
    Profanity seems to be a rebel of society. People like Clementine therefore I shall not because I am cool and so different.

    I never said I didn't like Clementine. I never even implied that I don't like her. I didn't do those things, because I don't dislike Clementine.

    Better luck next time!
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    I'm talking about the whole lot wearing her as an avatar (not exclusively) and constantly writing how beautiful and smart she is and how they're there to protect her and shit. I instantly draw a comparison between the people crazy in love with Clem and crazy in love with Carley, because these groups are really the ones that emerged the most... boomingly. And I'm not liking that comparison at all. Being obsessed with a little girl is never a dope sign in my book.

    And then there's the whole Rule 34 bunch, but I'm more inclined to think that they're trolling the crazy obsessed dudes, which once again makes the trolls less weird then the lot mentioned previously.

    Seriously. Obsession and little girls do not go well together. Stop creeping me out.

    One last thing from me to that topic:
    Having her as an avatar on a forum, where she is a main character in one of the games isn't unusual, in the other sub-forums you'll find enough people who have sam and max (for example) as their avatars, so what? Are they obsessed? No, they like the characters, we here who have Clementine as our avatars like her, I don't see why only because she is a little girl, the whole thing is so much more wrong.

    One of her traits is, that considering she is still a child, she is pretty smart, and a quick learner, in episode 3 she first held a gun,
    1-2 days later in episode 4 she shot a walker,
    another 1-2 days later in episode 5, if you screwed up in the fight against
    the stranger she shot her first human.
    Give her another week and she'll be a Molly like badass. Duck for example, who was rather dumb compared to her, couldn't pull that off.
    And well, she is unrealistically polite, nice and adorable, should we ignore that fact? People only say that so much, because it's true.

    Not many people have a real obsession, but many who come here, have either recently finished the game and want to talk about it, and are still emotionally fucked, because they just finished it like a day/week ago, or they keep repeadetly replaying it, and can't get it out of their head. They are just exaggerating a little, that's all, most of them do realize, that Clem is only a VG character.
    Profanity wrote:
    I'm talking about the whole lot wearing her as an avatar (not exclusively) and constantly writing how beautiful and smart she is and how they're there to protect her and shit.

    The first thing (avatar) applies to me (<-- see to your right) and the latter is something I did too, back when I just had finished the game. In case you think I am one of the "obsessed dudes" let me make clear, that I'm not, and that while one of my biggest fears for season 2 is seeing her die, I won't be one of the people bitching around on the forums if it happens, I will be sad, empty a bottle and get over it, Telltale knows what they're doing, and I trust them. And if they think it is neccesarry for a emotional finale, then so be it, I'm no story writer, I couldn't do a better finale than them, so I won't complain. But whatever someone on the internet thinks of me, I couldn't care less, cheers. :cool:

    Btw. sorry for my somewhat messy/bad english, it's not easy to write a huge text in english for a german...
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    I'm talking about the whole lot wearing her as an avatar (not exclusively) and constantly writing how beautiful and smart she is and how they're there to protect her and shit. I instantly draw a comparison between the people crazy in love with Clem and crazy in love with Carley, because these groups are really the ones that emerged the most... boomingly. And I'm not liking that comparison at all. Being obsessed with a little girl is never a dope sign in my book.

    And then there's the whole Rule 34 bunch, but I'm more inclined to think that they're trolling the crazy obsessed dudes, which once again makes the trolls less weird then the lot mentioned previously.

    Seriously. Obsession and little girls do not go well together. Stop creeping me out.

    Oh, thank you! Thank you, that you have opened my eyes, now I know that I'm sick on the head, I'm crazy! I need to go to a psychiatric hospital. Because I use Clem's picture in my avatar .
    Right now I'm gonna call doctors who will detain me, and isolated from normal society.
  • edited April 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    Oh, thank you! Thank you, that you have opened my eyes, now I know that I'm sick on the head, I'm crazy! I need to go to a psychiatric hospital. Because I use Clem's picture in my avatar .
    Right now I'm gonna call doctors who will detain me, and isolated from normal society.

    I knew you were a threat to the entire human race, Zev! :p
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    edited April 2013
    It's funny how I especially said 'not exclusively' near the avatar bit yet everyone keeps concentrating on that. The avatar was just a common coincidence, thus I used it and specified that this does not alone define what I'm talking about. Try to twist and turn it, change the topic, or overload with sarcasm, the facts are still that you're obsessed with a fictional little girl to an unusual extent.

    And as for you, ZeroShoot, I never really thought of you as part of that group, so need to make things clear. And yeah, she may have those traits, but a lot of other characters have those traits too. In other games even. Yet only with Clementine I see completely unnecessary mentions of those traits. And Duck's dumbness was surprisingly substituted by cool detectiv...ness. CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE MISSED MYSTERIES PUZZLES. CAN YOU
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    It's funny how I especially said 'not exclusively' near the avatar bit yet everyone keeps concentrating on that. The avatar was just a common coincidence, thus I used it and specified that this does not alone define what I'm talking about. Try to twist and turn it, change the topic, or overload with sarcasm, the facts are still that you're obsessed with a fictional little girl to an unusual extent.

    And as for you, ZeroShoot, I never really thought of you as part of that group, so need to make things clear. And yeah, she may have those traits, but a lot of other characters have those traits too. In other games even. Yet only with Clementine I see completely unnecessary mentions of those traits.

    I suppose I'm in that group, too... though i never point out her traits at all, really(good or bad).
    Profanity wrote: »
    And Duck's dumbness was surprisingly substituted by cool detectiv...ness. CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE MISSED MYSTERIES PUZZLES. CAN YOU

    Duck was a little too enthusiastic... he totally ruined my Lee's "I work alone" lone wolf style crime solving.
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    edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    Duck was a little too enthusiastic... he totally ruined my Lee's "I work alone" lone wolf style crime solving.

    Lee couldn't express my giddiness for getting to solve a mystery, so I had to identify with Duck, who had just enough enthusiasm to express mine!
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    And Duck's dumbness was surprisingly substituted by cool detectiv...ness. CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE MISSED MYSTERIES PUZZLES. CAN YOU

    Okay, he was a cool sidekick, gotta give him that :D And I laughed my ass off when I read "Duck thinks you're incredibly awesome" xD
  • edited April 2013
    Tazzle27 wrote: »
    To be honest, part of the reason I don't like her that much is because of her fanbase. Some people seem so obsessed with her it's almost scary, to the point where they wouldn't buy season 2 if she wasn't in it. I mean that is bloody ridiculous, because of 1 character not making an appearance? God, I really wish they gave her ending closure, heck, they should've made multiple endings for her depending on your choice.

    If you teach her throughout the game that killing is ok and you tell her not to trust anybody, after the credits you see her in the future as a bandit. She then goes to visit Lee's grave(Which she made herself) the end

    If you tell her to find a group, you will see her in the future after the credits, with random survivors. She then goes to visit Lee's grave(Which she made herself) the end

    If you tell her to find Omid and Christa, shows her in the future, standing over Lee's grave, with a little girl and Omid and Christa

    I dunno, maybe the whole grave part is unnecessary and lame but I felt Clementine should go to his grave, so you know she hasn't forgotten about him. I dunno, im sure others can come up with better endings than me. I am not writer.

    Anyway...It would kinda have that Bioshock 2 effect. Where depending on what you do, it would effect Eleanor.

    100% agree with you.
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    I'm talking about the whole lot wearing her as an avatar (not exclusively) and constantly writing how beautiful and smart she is and how they're there to protect her and shit. I instantly draw a comparison between the people crazy in love with Clem and crazy in love with Carley, because these groups are really the ones that emerged the most... boomingly. And I'm not liking that comparison at all. Being obsessed with a little girl is never a dope sign in my book.

    And then there's the whole Rule 34 bunch, but I'm more inclined to think that they're trolling the crazy obsessed dudes, which once again makes the trolls less weird then the lot mentioned previously.

    Seriously. Obsession and little girls do not go well together. Stop creeping me out.

    True, alot of people like this little girl too much.
  • edited April 2013
    ZeroShoot wrote: »
    One last thing from me to that topic:
    Having her as an avatar on a forum, where she is a main character in one of the games isn't unusual, in the other sub-forums you'll find enough people who have sam and max (for example) as their avatars, so what? Are they obsessed? No, they like the characters, we here who have Clementine as our avatars like her, I don't see why only because she is a little girl, the whole thing is so much more wrong.

    One of her traits is, that considering she is still a child, she is pretty smart, and a quick learner, in episode 3 she first held a gun,
    1-2 days later in episode 4 she shot a walker,
    another 1-2 days later in episode 5, if you screwed up in the fight against
    the stranger she shot her first human.
    Give her another week and she'll be a Molly like badass. Duck for example, who was rather dumb compared to her, couldn't pull that off.
    And well, she is unrealistically polite, nice and adorable, should we ignore that fact? People only say that so much, because it's true.

    Not many people have a real obsession, but many who come here, have either recently finished the game and want to talk about it, and are still emotionally fucked, because they just finished it like a day/week ago, or they keep repeadetly replaying it, and can't get it out of their head. They are just exaggerating a little, that's all, most of them do realize, that Clem is only a VG character.



    The first thing (avatar) applies to me (<-- see to your right) and the latter is something I did too, back when I just had finished the game. In case you think I am one of the "obsessed dudes" let me make clear, that I'm not, and that while one of my biggest fears for season 2 is seeing her die, I won't be one of the people bitching around on the forums if it happens, I will be sad, empty a bottle and get over it, Telltale knows what they're doing, and I trust them. And if they think it is neccesarry for a emotional finale, then so be it, I'm no story writer, I couldn't do a better finale than them, so I won't complain. But whatever someone on the internet thinks of me, I couldn't care less, cheers. :cool:

    Btw. sorry for my somewhat messy/bad english, it's not easy to write a huge text in english for a german...
    All of this happen because lee. No lee, Clem would be dead. No one talks about that.
  • edited April 2013
    True, alot of people like this little girl too much.

    The most reason why I like Clementine as a character, it's not because she has a cute voice, and face, not because her legendary baseball cap, it's doesn't matter for me. I like how she change the atmosphere of ZA universe. What else zombie story, can boast that zombies are not in first place of story? What else zombie story, can boast that it have more drama than most of modern movies? And all of this is a 60% merit of Clem, because as I said earlier she change the atmosphere so much that you forget the fact that this is a story about a zombie Apocalypse.
    However, I support the idea that in the new season we would seen an entirely new story, a new group of survivors.
  • edited April 2013
    In my opinion Clementine is still one of the best child characters I've seen anywhere, but someone's always going to think differently.

    Even if that sometimes entails unjustified aggression from a vocal minority.
  • edited April 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    The most reason why I like Clementine as a character, it's not because she has a cute voice, and face, not because her legendary baseball cap, it's doesn't matter for me. I like how she change the atmosphere of ZA universe. What else zombie story, can boast that zombies are not in first place of story? What else zombie story, can boast that it have more drama than most of modern movies? And all of this is a 60% merit of Clem, because as I said earlier she that you forget the fact that this is a story about a zombie Apocalypse.
    However, I support the idea that in the new season we would seen an entirely new story, a new group of survivors.
    "She change the atmosphere so much" No she don't, she just a little girl and really cute. That's why you like Clem, like many others.
  • edited April 2013
    "She change the atmosphere so much" No she don't, she just a little girl and really cute. That's why you like Clem, like many others.

    LOL, You know me better than I know myself? Apparently yes, if you say so.
  • edited April 2013
    "She change the atmosphere so much" No she don't, she just a little girl and really cute. That's why you like Clem, like many others.

    She does change the atmosphere, mainly because you're supposed to take care of her through the entire game. She's an important part to the plot, i think it makes sense as she gets kidnapped by the stranger, there wouldn't be any point to kidnapping her otherwise, she's there so you can be a father figure to her.

    And i'm gonna say this again. Remember Chuck? It doesn't matter if she's a cute little girl, she'll die one if she won't protect herself. She saved quite plenty of lifes, including Molly's and Lee's. She's not just a little girl, she's a survivor.

    If Clem just sat in the background being adorable all the time, i'd quickly lose my interest. That's not the only reason why i like her. It's because she's useful. She tries to help as much as possible, and that's nice, that makes you care about her more then ever. So when she's kidnapped, that's when the atmosphere comes in, you're not only on a goal to get a boat while Clementine follows behind you, you're on a mission to save a life, of a life-saver.

    That's what i feel anyway. Being cute isn't the only thing that matters, and Clementine shows that well.

    Check your facts.
  • edited April 2013

    If Clem just sat in the background being adorable all the time, i'd quickly lose my interest. That's not the only reason why i like her. It's because she's useful. She tries to help as much as possible, and that's nice, that makes you care about her more then ever. So when she's kidnapped, that's when the atmosphere comes in, you're not only on a goal to get a boat while Clementine follows behind you, you're on a mission to save a life, of a life-saver.

    That's what i feel anyway. Being cute isn't the only thing that matters, and Clementine shows that well.

    Check your facts.

    Well said.

    As you said, she was useful, tried to help, but, to make her a little more realistic she had her mistakes as well, she wasn't perfect, her childish naivety regarding her belief in her parents being alive is an exapmle for that. But I didn't blame her, because any other child would have believed that as well, most of the time I didn't consider her a little girl, but a partner.
    She helped, she gave good advice every now and then, and even more importantly - she was my "moral compass" if it wasn't for her, I would have done so much shit, which I would have regretted afterwards.

    And that was what did change the atmosphere, if we hadn't had her with us, I think most of the players would have played the game in a whole different way.
  • edited April 2013
    The same situation with Daryl Dixon from TV series. Just to say I am not a fan of Daryl, in contrast many others of people. Yes, he's cool, sometimes funny, and CROSSBOW! But in my opinion it is not enough of something, he begins to become boring, because he just a good guy, and "Faithful dog of Rick" - as his brother said. I don't hate him of course, but i think that in season 1 he was better because he was "alone wolf".
    So, why I tell it: such qualities as escarpment, humor, cute all this is not enough to ensure that the character has become a favorite. The character must do something that we could say: "Hey, this guy/girl, makes this storyline more brighter, and interesting."
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    edited April 2013
    Shit, I do hate what they've done with Daryl. He suddenly turned from badass to jello and now he's super bland. Like... unusually bland. At least that's how it is at the point I've gotten to in the series.

    Maybe they're trying to make him less appealing because they want to kill him off and they don't wanna deal with the rabid fan rage.
  • edited April 2013
    Well even as a Daryl fan I must admit, that he got less interesting than he was in season 1, because now he's... well kind of Rick's dog, but I think he is what the group needs, and frankly, we got enough crazy people on the show as it is, might turn out to be good to have someone who's got a nice bit of sanity left. But I see your points, gentlemen.
  • edited April 2013
    To be honestly, Shane is still my favorete character in TV show.
    Yes, he was bad and really insane, but his insane was shown so good, so bright, actor playing was great, that makes Shane the most interesting character for all season, and for all story for me personally. And his death was very hard for me, no matter that I knew, that he must die in comics. He wasn't so cool as Daryl, he was't funny, he has't got cowboy hat, all of this, are not necessarily for be a bright and interesting character.

    My top 5 of favorite characters for all "The Walking Dead" universe:
    1. Clementine.
    2. Shane (from TV show)
    3. Rick.
    4. Negan.
    5. Lilly (from game)
  • edited April 2013
    Mikejames wrote: »
    In my opinion Clementine is still one of the best child characters I've seen anywhere, but someone's always going to think differently.

    Even if that sometimes entails unjustified aggression from a vocal minority.

    You remind me of those Final Fantasy fans that goes on about how Cloud is the best main character in a video game ever, after hearing that all the time, i started to dislike Cloud...a little, labeling him as a overrated character, or how people keep saying Halo is the best shooter ever, hence, why some people think Halo is overrated(which it is)

    Saying Clementine is the best child ever in any media is just too much dude. You are really starting to make me dislike Clementine even more, again, the obsession with Clementine is scaring me, oh god Telltale, keep her out of season 2, I beg of you
  • edited April 2013
    Clementine was a great character but perhaps too easy to love. Imagine if she had been a snotty child, but she and Lee grew to respect and appreciate each other. It might have made their relationship even stronger. Clementine's purity was a tad bit manipulative, but not detrimentally so.

    Anyway, this was on reddit today.

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  • edited April 2013
    Tazzle27 wrote: »
    You remind me of those Final Fantasy fans that goes on about how Cloud is the best main character in a video game ever, after hearing that all the time, i started to dislike Cloud...a little, labeling him as a overrated character, or how people keep saying Halo is the best shooter ever, hence, why some people think Halo is overrated(which it is)

    Saying Clementine is the best child ever in any media is just too much dude. You are really starting to make me dislike Clementine even more, again, the obsession with Clementine is scaring me, oh god Telltale, keep her out of season 2, I beg of you

    Fortunately, the odds are heavily against you here...

    Do you also hate people who say Citizen Kane was the best movie ever?
  • edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    Fortunately, the odds are heavily against you here...

    Do you also hate people who say Citizen Kane was the best movie ever?

    I know that, if I went to the Halo forums and said Halo was overrated and yada yada yada, I doubt they will be giving me cake for it
  • edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    Fortunately, the odds are heavily against you here...

    Do you also hate people who say Citizen Kane was the best movie ever?

    also, i haven't seen Citizen Kane, is everybody saying its the best movie ever? I remember people were saying that about Avatar.....while it was a good movie, wasn't the best movie I've ever seen
  • edited April 2013
    Thing is its a legit claim Clem might be the best child character in a game ever. No other child has drawn the emotive connection she has. Why keep having a go at a legit claim. Halo is over rated, Clementine is not.
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