I don't have anything against the gay community but this thread is rather pointless. All that will come out of this thread is arguments on if its okay to be gay or not. Click here
Ya. That's why I think it was well written. It wasn't obvious because it was just another realistic thing. Basically it's hinted at with thing… mores like Bill saying he cared about someone once, then Joel gives him Frank's note, etc. Then the dirty magazine Ellie made sure to swipe. Tara is another good example. Hopefully she'll be more important in part two so we care about her more
It could further the narrative in the same way aaron and Eric's relationship did in the comics. If when they find a big group, there were a gay couple to show the variation in large groups of people, I'd be okay with it.
Honestly, I'd be okay with it if it were just for no particular reason.
In fact, if Telltale were to do it for a political agenda, I still wouldn't care, but that's probably just me.
It's clear from the OP's post that their advocacy for Telltale implementing it into the game is politcal otherwise the following statement is … moreirrelevant to this topic: "It's becoming more and more accepted. I'm an avid supporter of gay rights"
Homosexuality itself is obviously not politcal, neither is abortion or any other such issue, but it's inclusion to the game would politicize the game unless it served to advance the narrative in some way.
So that being said I fail to see how homosexual relationships would serve to advance the narrative in a way that heterosexual relationships couldn't. Unless it was dealing with social/politcal issues like "equality" "discrimination" and "predjudice" which would then politicize the game.
Like I said before the purpose of this game is not social advocacy it is entertainment.
It was in the truck when Ellie and Joel were leaving. Ellie stole Bill's dirty magazine that showed naked men. Why would a straight guy keep that kind of magazine?
It was in the truck when Ellie and Joel were leaving. Ellie stole Bill's dirty magazine that showed naked men. Why would a straight guy keep that kind of magazine?
I think it's just after Joel and Ellie use the car it's hinted that Bill is gay because the magazine is gay pron and she asks why the pages were stuck together. That was awks to type. Lmao. Supposedly his actor wanted to make it subtle and open to interpretation which is a good idea
I don't have anything against the gay community but this thread is rather pointless. All that will come out of this thread is arguments on if its okay to be gay or not.
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So in your community, women over 50, ill and handicapped people would be kicked out? are you for real? Would you care about the survival of the human race or better reasure your own. I don't think procreation is the goal of most of the survivors.
This likely won't end well.
Personally, I don't care either way. If they're well written and make sense, by all means. Otherwise, to thro… morew them in to just be there is a bad idea.
From a practical viewpoint: in an apocalypse, trying to survive and eventually rebuild the human race is far more important. Two homosexuals won't have children so unless they're REALLY helpful to the group, they're just a burden because they won't do anything to increase the population. A population needs roughly 100-120 breeding individuals to remain healthy. If some of those didn't reproduce, the population would eventually face severe inbreeding and face dying out. This is the case of the Cheetah population currently. There are so few and they're so spread out so inbreeding often occurs. After a generation or two, a gay couple may not be so much of a burden, but the initial generation is another matter.
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Although you have no issue with it their are those who play the game that would find it uncomfortable and it would probably dissuade them from playing. If telltale wanted this game to have a politcal agenda they should have done it from the outset so then those who have issue with it could have avoided the game as it stands now they have invested time and money in the game and it would be unfair to politicize it now that they are already into season 2.
On the eric and aaron I can't give a detailed opinion as I haven't read the comics but I will say that I don't think their exclusion would detract from the variety of a big group, I am sure the walking dead has not included someone from every single type of minority community in the world or even the U.S I am sure the exclusion of those members from the group didn't ruin the story for you or the believability.
Personally I would prefer that they steered clear of the issue.
It could further the narrative in the same way aaron and Eric's relationship did in the comics. If when they find a big group, there were a ga… morey couple to show the variation in large groups of people, I'd be okay with it.
Honestly, I'd be okay with it if it were just for no particular reason.
In fact, if Telltale were to do it for a political agenda, I still wouldn't care, but that's probably just me.
I honestly don't care if the game has gays or not, deaf or not, or anybody for that matter.
But we don't need those in order to have a good game. The game is fine the way it is, and frankly, adding gay characters may spark controversy depending on how they (Telltale) handles the personality of the character. It all depends on how it is depicted. If the homosexual aspect is overplayed, then it will spark controversy, but if they make the character interesting as well (not that I have a problem with gays, but I don't want the character to have that define his personality and define him as a character: it's not as interesting that way. Example: Lee didn't mention the fact that he was black at all in the game, because that didn't define him as a character: what defined him was his ability to take care of Clem. Sure, there were some jokes about it, but it wasn't a big deal.) then I don't think people will make a big deal out of it.
It's clear from the OP's post that their advocacy for Telltale implementing it into the game is politcal otherwise the following statement is … moreirrelevant to this topic: "It's becoming more and more accepted. I'm an avid supporter of gay rights"
Homosexuality itself is obviously not politcal, neither is abortion or any other such issue, but it's inclusion to the game would politicize the game unless it served to advance the narrative in some way.
So that being said I fail to see how homosexual relationships would serve to advance the narrative in a way that heterosexual relationships couldn't. Unless it was dealing with social/politcal issues like "equality" "discrimination" and "predjudice" which would then politicize the game.
Like I said before the purpose of this game is not social advocacy it is entertainment.
I don't care if the game has gay characters any more than if the game had a black character, or a Jewish character or a female character.
In the apocalypse, you forget all that bullshit and just treat people AS people.
Of course it would be nice if we could do that in real life, but judging by some if these comments about 'killing gay people' I think that may be an unrealistic, if tauntingly close, goal.
That's true, more people cared about the main character being black when the trailer was released than they did about all the abortion talk in Episode 4.
That's true, more people cared about the main character being black when the trailer was released than they did about all the abortion talk in Episode 4.
Anyway, it depends on how telltale proceeds with these things. It's obvious she didn't want to abort the baby, but she was forced to against her will. The fact that Crawford was a society completely gone mad showed that they didn't care if you were pregnant or not. It wasn't supporting one side or another, Pro-life or Pro-choice, it was showing a soon-to-be mother with nowhere else to turn, depicting more the madness of Crawford rather than the controversy of abortion.
I don't care if the game has gay characters any more than if the game had a black character, or a Jewish character or a female character.
I… moren the apocalypse, you forget all that bullshit and just treat people AS people.
Of course it would be nice if we could do that in real life, but judging by some if these comments about 'killing gay people' I think that may be an unrealistic, if tauntingly close, goal.
We will say 5% of the US population is gay, a nice bump up from the actual known percentage (last I checked), 5% chance that any number of 40 people is homosexual in nature, those are low odds. Now I am not sure, but I do believe the states we have been in (in game) have no legal recognition of homosexual marriage, so the chance of a gay couple being in that area are even lower than, say, California. It is much more unrealistic to see them vs not seeing them. And frankly it comes off as petty that homosexuals and their supporters (of which I am one) are specifically asking a gay couple be put in the game.
Oh, I was thinking episode 5. My folly.
Anyway, it depends on how telltale proceeds with these things. It's obvious she didn't want to ab… moreort the baby, but she was forced to against her will. The fact that Crawford was a society completely gone mad showed that they didn't care if you were pregnant or not. It wasn't supporting one side or another, Pro-life or Pro-choice, it was showing a soon-to-be mother with nowhere else to turn, depicting more the madness of Crawford rather than the controversy of abortion.
Anyway, it depends on how telltale proceeds with these things. It's obvious she didn't want to abort the baby, but she was forced to against her will. The fact that Crawford was a society completely gone mad showed that they didn't care if you were pregnant or not. It wasn't supporting one side or another, Pro-life or Pro-choice, it was showing a soon-to-be mother with nowhere else to turn, depicting more the madness of Crawford rather than the controversy of abortion."
Oh, I was thinking episode 5. My folly.
Anyway, it depends on how telltale proceeds with these things. It's obvious she didn't want to ab… moreort the baby, but she was forced to against her will. The fact that Crawford was a society completely gone mad showed that they didn't care if you were pregnant or not. It wasn't supporting one side or another, Pro-life or Pro-choice, it was showing a soon-to-be mother with nowhere else to turn, depicting more the madness of Crawford rather than the controversy of abortion.
I'm not specifically asking for it, I just find their absence noticeable. Sorry.
And FYI, those figures are the number of OUT gay people in america willing to state their sexual orientation on surveys. The true figure is likely to be at least 2.5% higher than that.
We will say 5% of the US population is gay, a nice bump up from the actual known percentage (last I checked), 5% chance that any number of 40 … morepeople is homosexual in nature, those are low odds. Now I am not sure, but I do believe the states we have been in (in game) have no legal recognition of homosexual marriage, so the chance of a gay couple being in that area are even lower than, say, California. It is much more unrealistic to see them vs not seeing them. And frankly it comes off as petty that homosexuals and their supporters (of which I am one) are specifically asking a gay couple be put in the game.
As I said, it depends on how Telltale handles it. I said this in another comment:
If the homosexual aspect is overplayed, it will spark controversy.
As long as they make the character interesting, there would be no problem, but I think it's a waste of time if the character isn't interesting and defines himself only for the fact that he/she is gay and nothing else, then to me there is no point to the character. There needs to be more to the character other than the fact that he is gay.
The survey was anonymous, if a person found themselves gay they would have no reason to not be truthful about it. Perhaps some just don't want to be homosexual and so they decline their feelings or something akin to that, but I highly doubt the number of people like that is anywhere near 2.5%
I'm not specifically asking for it, I just find their absence noticeable. Sorry.
And FYI, those figures are the number of OUT gay people in… more america willing to state their sexual orientation on surveys. The true figure is likely to be at least 2.5% higher than that.
The survey was anonymous, if a person found themselves gay they would have no reason to not be truthful about it. Perhaps some just don't want… more to be homosexual and so they decline their feelings or something akin to that, but I highly doubt the number of people like that is anywhere near 2.5%
Did anyone play 400 days? Wyatt and Eddie were clearly a couple.
I mean seriously, no grown men talk like that with each other unless ones rearin the other.
Did anyone play 400 days? Wyatt and Eddie were clearly a couple.
I mean seriously, no grown men talk like that with each other unless ones rearin the other.
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I don't have anything against the gay community but this thread is rather pointless. All that will come out of this thread is arguments on if its okay to be gay or not.
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Five if you count Axel, although it looked as though he left Andrew and Dexter behind pretty quickly.
I caught the thing with Bill's friend, but I thought they were just friends. I didn't catch the magazine though, when was that?
It could further the narrative in the same way aaron and Eric's relationship did in the comics. If when they find a big group, there were a gay couple to show the variation in large groups of people, I'd be okay with it.
Honestly, I'd be okay with it if it were just for no particular reason.
In fact, if Telltale were to do it for a political agenda, I still wouldn't care, but that's probably just me.
It was in the truck when Ellie and Joel were leaving. Ellie stole Bill's dirty magazine that showed naked men. Why would a straight guy keep that kind of magazine?
Oh, I remember now. Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.
Gays are people just like all humans are, so it be not big deal at all.
I think it's just after Joel and Ellie use the car it's hinted that Bill is gay because the magazine is gay pron and she asks why the pages were stuck together. That was awks to type. Lmao. Supposedly his actor wanted to make it subtle and open to interpretation which is a good idea
Welp, that already happened...
Yeah, I posted this before I went back and read all the comments.
Yeah, before we found TheGamingDouchMC
You're so damn witty XD
Charmed ClemClem
It's my duty as a Brit to be witty. Now I shall go and eat some scones with tea.
So in your community, women over 50, ill and handicapped people would be kicked out? are you for real? Would you care about the survival of the human race or better reasure your own. I don't think procreation is the goal of most of the survivors.
Although you have no issue with it their are those who play the game that would find it uncomfortable and it would probably dissuade them from playing. If telltale wanted this game to have a politcal agenda they should have done it from the outset so then those who have issue with it could have avoided the game as it stands now they have invested time and money in the game and it would be unfair to politicize it now that they are already into season 2.
On the eric and aaron I can't give a detailed opinion as I haven't read the comics but I will say that I don't think their exclusion would detract from the variety of a big group, I am sure the walking dead has not included someone from every single type of minority community in the world or even the U.S I am sure the exclusion of those members from the group didn't ruin the story for you or the believability.
Personally I would prefer that they steered clear of the issue.
I honestly don't care if the game has gays or not, deaf or not, or anybody for that matter.
But we don't need those in order to have a good game. The game is fine the way it is, and frankly, adding gay characters may spark controversy depending on how they (Telltale) handles the personality of the character. It all depends on how it is depicted. If the homosexual aspect is overplayed, then it will spark controversy, but if they make the character interesting as well (not that I have a problem with gays, but I don't want the character to have that define his personality and define him as a character: it's not as interesting that way. Example: Lee didn't mention the fact that he was black at all in the game, because that didn't define him as a character: what defined him was his ability to take care of Clem. Sure, there were some jokes about it, but it wasn't a big deal.) then I don't think people will make a big deal out of it.
Clementine's parents
Kenny and Katjaa
Larry and Brenda
..yeah, there are quite a few examples of straight relationships.
In a game where we have met over 40 characters already, actually NOT seeing any gay people would be unrealistic.
this thread right now
Umm...
There was recommended abortion in episode 4, and no-one seemed to care.
I don't care if the game has gay characters any more than if the game had a black character, or a Jewish character or a female character.
In the apocalypse, you forget all that bullshit and just treat people AS people.
Of course it would be nice if we could do that in real life, but judging by some if these comments about 'killing gay people' I think that may be an unrealistic, if tauntingly close, goal.
To be fair, not EVERYBODY knew Christa was pregnant.
...n-no, there was recommended abortion in the video of the doctor's office, where you get the code to the safe.
That's true, more people cared about the main character being black when the trailer was released than they did about all the abortion talk in Episode 4.
No-one REALLY minded about Lee being black.
No-one threatened to make sure he died for his skin colour, at least, which is what is being done now.
Oh, I was thinking episode 5. My folly.
Anyway, it depends on how telltale proceeds with these things. It's obvious she didn't want to abort the baby, but she was forced to against her will. The fact that Crawford was a society completely gone mad showed that they didn't care if you were pregnant or not. It wasn't supporting one side or another, Pro-life or Pro-choice, it was showing a soon-to-be mother with nowhere else to turn, depicting more the madness of Crawford rather than the controversy of abortion.
No, there were a few people. look at the youtube comments for the Episode 1 trailer.
"Killing gay people"
Some people must be Crawford's leader
We will say 5% of the US population is gay, a nice bump up from the actual known percentage (last I checked), 5% chance that any number of 40 people is homosexual in nature, those are low odds. Now I am not sure, but I do believe the states we have been in (in game) have no legal recognition of homosexual marriage, so the chance of a gay couple being in that area are even lower than, say, California. It is much more unrealistic to see them vs not seeing them. And frankly it comes off as petty that homosexuals and their supporters (of which I am one) are specifically asking a gay couple be put in the game.
Some of the bullshit in this thread, man...
And why couldn't a gay person appear in an equally non-controversial situation?
Regardless, extremist homophobia is far more common than extremist racism.
No where in the world does being black carry the death sentence, for example.
But roughly half (IIRC) of all countries can send you to prison for being gay, and half of them can kill you for it.
"Oh, I was thinking episode 5. My folly.
Anyway, it depends on how telltale proceeds with these things. It's obvious she didn't want to abort the baby, but she was forced to against her will. The fact that Crawford was a society completely gone mad showed that they didn't care if you were pregnant or not. It wasn't supporting one side or another, Pro-life or Pro-choice, it was showing a soon-to-be mother with nowhere else to turn, depicting more the madness of Crawford rather than the controversy of abortion."
This ^^^
I'm not specifically asking for it, I just find their absence noticeable. Sorry.
And FYI, those figures are the number of OUT gay people in america willing to state their sexual orientation on surveys. The true figure is likely to be at least 2.5% higher than that.
As I said, it depends on how Telltale handles it. I said this in another comment:
As long as they make the character interesting, there would be no problem, but I think it's a waste of time if the character isn't interesting and defines himself only for the fact that he/she is gay and nothing else, then to me there is no point to the character. There needs to be more to the character other than the fact that he is gay.
The survey was anonymous, if a person found themselves gay they would have no reason to not be truthful about it. Perhaps some just don't want to be homosexual and so they decline their feelings or something akin to that, but I highly doubt the number of people like that is anywhere near 2.5%
You'd be surprised at how much of the reluctance to state you are gay comes from within, not public perception.
Did anyone play 400 days? Wyatt and Eddie were clearly a couple.
I mean seriously, no grown men talk like that with each other unless ones rearin the other.
That's... Kinda gross, man. I mean, those choice of words.
They were close friends, if being close friends equals being gay, then I have some bad news for you...