No, I think that gay characters are only accepted by the modern liberals playing this game if they act "gay". You don't know whether one chara… morecter is gay or not and in this kind of game it doesn't even matter, because it is not about sexual relationships but about a little girl trying to survive in a zombie world.
I can't believe how popular this has gotten, and how awesome people are on this. Especially @Zyphon, @Kryik and @16_BIT_MARIO1 and everyone else supporting this! you my friends are awesome!
Autistic persons can be as social as normal persons if they are not too retarded. I met several kind of them in the place I volunteered and from my experience they are either sociable or not even capable of talking. And they make fun of each other as we do, keeping distance with them by acting too polite is mostly hurting them (also personal experience).
I'm not someone who cares about other people being offended because I had experiences with xenophobia, racism and so on and still did not complain about something as trivial as that. Empathy is something you can show for the really weak, not for someone who pretends to be weak in order to get attention.
The internet shows the real character of persons. In real life one would not dare to speak out his opinion if it's not politically correct but on the internet they can hide behind masks and do not have to fear social stigmas.
Like I said, it was John Doe
Oh no, how dare I use cultural terms of the superior black race. Please forgive me, oh lord... Did you know that o cultural exchange lead to what society is today. Science, literature, art and so on were developed by intercultural exchange. So if I want to use the term SWAG or even nigga (oh gosh, I did it) I'm far more progressive than the ones who claim to be. Kinda like back then when imperialism was considered progressive.
* It was a joke ya wangus
* You have no idea what you're talking about, brain-for-brains, it's an ableist slur that targets people with autis… morem and other such neurodivergent people and your flippant use of the term is horrible
* OK fine make jokes about yourself but I'm also suicidal so maybe don't joke about that to people you don't know
* You're right, how dare I try and feel safe on the Internet, I'll just leave forever now (PSYCH!)
* Are you not noticing the like 37 insults in that image Holy Moly
* That's not what that stands for and it's been made clear to me by a multitude of black people that if you are not black then you shouldn't use it soooooo
* [Farts, defecates]
Some people in the ZA would definitely see it as a chance to get rid of ''undesirables'', but I'd like to think most would be too worried about surviving tomorrow to give a rat's testicles about sex, race, orientation etc.
Honestly, in terms of realism, if a ZA ever happened, I really wonder if people would unite or turn on each other more. In other words, if a z… moreombie apocalipse was to happen, would racism/homophobia/sexist behaviors be even more obvious and prone to happen? Perhaps that is why TTG hasn’t yet explored the subject. Maybe one of the characters we know is gay and we will find out in the future. Maybe not. Maybe they’re just trying not to get devoured. Maybe survival has become the focus point and not sex/love/friendship even.
These are yet quite unexplored topics by TTG in terms of the theme of the game. One of the most obtuse things we’ve heard was Kenny saying Lee was “urban”. However, as someone who has played the game more than once, I can say the first time Kenny was a really awesome character and when I played the game for the second time around differently, I found him to be selfish and prejudicial.
In all honesty, I loved the first seaso… [view original content]
Obnoxious, stereotypical gay drama queen - liberal propaganda
Quiet, polite person who won't tell anyone that he is gay just for the sake of it - acceptable and no reasonable man would complain about something like that
And just to your information, I can talk to gay people, but I wouldn't want to be in a room with a half-naked man with two sextoys in his hands sexually harrassing me.
So Gay Charcters=Pandering to Liberals
Yah okay You obviously know what your talking about
Srsly you make it sound like conservatives can't stand being in the same room as a Gay person
* Okay
* Autistic persons can be as social as normal persons if they are not too retarded. I met several kind of them in the place I voluntee… morered and from my experience they are either sociable or not even capable of talking. And they make fun of each other as we do, keeping distance with them by acting too polite is mostly hurting them (also personal experience).
* I'm not someone who cares about other people being offended because I had experiences with xenophobia, racism and so on and still did not complain about something as trivial as that. Empathy is something you can show for the really weak, not for someone who pretends to be weak in order to get attention.
* The internet shows the real character of persons. In real life one would not dare to speak out his opinion if it's not politically correct but on the internet they can hide behind masks and do not have to fear social stigmas.
* Like I said, it was John Doe
* Oh no, how dare I use… [view original content]
Nah, humanity is not as devoted to itself than one may think. We are not like bees who would give their life to save their home, but we would run away, trying to survive even if other people have to die. And in post-apocalyptic societies there will be more racism and homophobia because people become more paranoid and do not trust anything that is different.
Honestly, in terms of realism, if a ZA ever happened, I really wonder if people would unite or turn on each other more. In other words, if a z… moreombie apocalipse was to happen, would racism/homophobia/sexist behaviors be even more obvious and prone to happen? Perhaps that is why TTG hasn’t yet explored the subject. Maybe one of the characters we know is gay and we will find out in the future. Maybe not. Maybe they’re just trying not to get devoured. Maybe survival has become the focus point and not sex/love/friendship even.
These are yet quite unexplored topics by TTG in terms of the theme of the game. One of the most obtuse things we’ve heard was Kenny saying Lee was “urban”. However, as someone who has played the game more than once, I can say the first time Kenny was a really awesome character and when I played the game for the second time around differently, I found him to be selfish and prejudicial.
In all honesty, I loved the first seaso… [view original content]
Are you serious, dude? I'm a raging homophobe for feeling that this is completely unecessary for the settling of TWD? That is just plain fucking stupid.
"Gay people aren't necessary" is a pretty ass-shit sentiment in a culture where 99% of all media everywhere features exclusively straight people or people who can be assumed to be straight (and don't even bother coming at me with examples of gay people in movies or whatever, I'm aware of them and one gay character for every 7 billion straight ones is Not Enough)
Are you serious, dude? I'm a raging homophobe for feeling that this is completely unecessary for the settling of TWD? That is just plain fucking stupid.
Fucking thank you, i wrote the same stuff up above. We don't know if anyone of these survivors were gay or not, hell there was barely any relationships. A few relationships, but not many. I don't give a single fuck about what gender you generally love, that is your personal choice. (Or maybe sexuality is something you're born with as some people say, but i have no opinion on that, that stuff is out of my league.)
I am a gay man, and this "issue" hasn't entered my mind once while enjoying the Walking Dead series. Have a think about it, are you sure there… more have been no gay characters? How do you know Ben wasn't gay, or even Lee for that matter? Any single male not with a partner isn't implicit of their heterosexuality. Was it the lack of rainbow flags and tutus that made you think they weren't gay? To be honest, it's those kind of people who expect every gay person to be like that are the ones that annoy me, not game developers who don't have flouncing homos in their games. I'm single, does that make me straight? Only if I have a boyfriend, or assert to other people constantly that I like man sausage. I suggest you guys drop this non-issue before the whole world goes politically-correct crazy.
Since when the fuck did media became something that is positive? really. I support gay rights, because i believe everyone should be completely free to love whoever they may like, but the fact of putting in TWD would feel like Telltale is just trying to say: hey look, we got 2 gay people together when there is barely any relationships nor love in the world left, isn't that great? No. It would feel weird. If it's correct with the percentage of gay people in the world is 5%(it's probably more, but open ones) that's 5% upon another 5% to even find another gay person, hell make that 5% times 5% times 50% since you need a certain gender as well. Since the ZA will have wiped out most of the worlds population, like 96-99%, than this seems so far from happening i don't even know. Also, just because 2 people of the right gender find eachother in a safe group, would they even fall in love with eachother? No, probably not. You don't see all the "of which we believe but will never actually know if they are" straight people falling in love with every other straight opposite gender in the group, no. I wouldn't mind if they put eastereggs or hints towards several persons in the group of being homosexual or bisexual, but a couple? No, it feels far fetched and i highly doubt that i will change my mind on that.
"Gay people aren't necessary" is a pretty ass-shit sentiment in a culture where 99% of all media everywhere features exclusively straight peop… morele or people who can be assumed to be straight (and don't even bother coming at me with examples of gay people in movies or whatever, I'm aware of them and one gay character for every 7 billion straight ones is Not Enough)
[some butt shitter makes up a bunch of statistics to CONCLUSIVELY PROVE that MOGA* folk don't matter] [i jump up on the table and point in your face] don't care
*MOGA being a new acronym standing for Marginalized Orientations and Gender Alignments to replace the increasingly ludicrous LGBTQNIA+ acronym, FYI
Since when the fuck did media became something that is positive? really. I support gay rights, because i believe everyone should be completely… more free to love whoever they may like, but the fact of putting in TWD would feel like Telltale is just trying to say: hey look, we got 2 gay people together when there is barely any relationships nor love in the world left, isn't that great? No. It would feel weird. If it's correct with the percentage of gay people in the world is 5%(it's probably more, but open ones) that's 5% upon another 5% to even find another gay person, hell make that 5% times 5% times 50% since you need a certain gender as well. Since the ZA will have wiped out most of the worlds population, like 96-99%, than this seems so far from happening i don't even know. Also, just because 2 people of the right gender find eachother in a safe group, would they even fall in love with eachother? No, probably not. You don't see all the "of which we … [view original content]
[some butt shitter makes up a bunch of statistics to CONCLUSIVELY PROVE that MOGA* folk don't matter] [i jump up on the table and point in you… morer face] don't care
*MOGA being a new acronym standing for Marginalized Orientations and Gender Alignments to replace the increasingly ludicrous LGBTQNIA+ acronym, FYI
People want gay relationships everywhere, soon it will be in my morning cereals...
Seriously. Shoving your ultra-minority sexuality in everyone's face at every possible corner is not going to make it better accepted, it's going to create a "didn't mind at all at first but now I'm getting tired of this sh-t" kind of homophobia in reaction.
That's some "Lord of the Flies" Inner Evil shit right there.
Then again, I'm one to believe that some people DO give in to inner evil, so it's just a matter of trying to think if it's the majority who will give into this inner evil, or maybe only a few. By the way the comics and TV show are going, I'm inclined to think that TT's TWD might go the way of "the majority of people are evil" as well.
Nah, humanity is not as devoted to itself than one may think. We are not like bees who would give their life to save their home, but we would … morerun away, trying to survive even if other people have to die. And in post-apocalyptic societies there will be more racism and homophobia because people become more paranoid and do not trust anything that is different.
Okay, once more:
Obnoxious, stereotypical gay drama queen - liberal propaganda
Quiet, polite person who won't tell anyone that he is gay… more just for the sake of it - acceptable and no reasonable man would complain about something like that
And just to your information, I can talk to gay people, but I wouldn't want to be in a room with a half-naked man with two sextoys in his hands sexually harrassing me.
I can't believe how popular this has gotten, and how awesome people are on this. Especially @Zyphon, @Kryik and @16_BIT_MARIO1 and everyone else supporting this! you my friends are awesome!
People want gay relationships everywhere, soon it will be in my morning cereals...
Seriously. Shoving your ultra-minority sexuality in ever… moreyone's face at every possible corner is not going to make it better accepted, it's going to create a "didn't mind at all at first but now I'm getting tired of this sh-t" kind of homophobia in reaction.
I don't even know who that is (and I don't care so don't bother explain), but if you want to tell me to fuck off, just do it, don't hide behind a quote. Or do you think that quoting an insult makes it a clever statement rather than an insult ? It does not.
I don't think this is right or fair at all. It shouldn't bother people whether there are OR aren't gay people/couples in games. Your opinion sounds like what people used to say about black people a few decades ago. Be careful.
By the same argument I should be tired of heterosexual couples being shoved in my face. Oh that's right, I deserve it because I'm "abnormal".
People want gay relationships everywhere, soon it will be in my morning cereals...
Seriously. Shoving your ultra-minority sexuality in ever… moreyone's face at every possible corner is not going to make it better accepted, it's going to create a "didn't mind at all at first but now I'm getting tired of this sh-t" kind of homophobia in reaction.
There's absolutely nothing wrong or "petty" about people wanting representation for groups that don't identify as straight. TT has done a pretty good job of showing racial diversity in the series but it would be even better to also represent queer identified people. Out of all the hundreds of thousands of video game characters that are straight, I think TT creating some queer characters wouldn't affect this precious ratio too much.
And to your comment on why someone who is gay would not outwardly say they were on a survey can be a result of internalized homophobia which our society loves to instill in anyone who isn't heterosexual.
We will say 5% of the US population is gay, a nice bump up from the actual known percentage (last I checked), 5% chance that any number of 40 … morepeople is homosexual in nature, those are low odds. Now I am not sure, but I do believe the states we have been in (in game) have no legal recognition of homosexual marriage, so the chance of a gay couple being in that area are even lower than, say, California. It is much more unrealistic to see them vs not seeing them. And frankly it comes off as petty that homosexuals and their supporters (of which I am one) are specifically asking a gay couple be put in the game.
People can just deal. If TWD is supposed to present real people surviving in a post-apoc situation, then it should represent real people. Whenever anyone advocates for diversity in any form of media, people are immediately up in arms about it being "political". It's about representation, not politics. If TT wants to create stories with diverse interesting characters, then they need to show characters from all walks of life. Queer characters, racially diverse characters, etc. Contrary to many gamer's and game developer's beliefs, not everyone in the world wants to play a game where the main character/characters are straight white males.
Although you have no issue with it their are those who play the game that would find it uncomfortable and it would probably dissuade them from… more playing. If telltale wanted this game to have a politcal agenda they should have done it from the outset so then those who have issue with it could have avoided the game as it stands now they have invested time and money in the game and it would be unfair to politicize it now that they are already into season 2.
On the eric and aaron I can't give a detailed opinion as I haven't read the comics but I will say that I don't think their exclusion would detract from the variety of a big group, I am sure the walking dead has not included someone from every single type of minority community in the world or even the U.S I am sure the exclusion of those members from the group didn't ruin the story for you or the believability.
Personally I would prefer that they steered clear of the issue.
I don't think this is right or fair at all. It shouldn't bother people whether there are OR aren't gay people/couples in games. Your opinion s… moreounds like what people used to say about black people a few decades ago. Be careful.
By the same argument I should be tired of heterosexual couples being shoved in my face. Oh that's right, I deserve it because I'm "abnormal".
I never clicked on it except for one time, but seeing it on top of the thread list EVERY fucking day was hell of annoying. You can't go anywhere on the internet anymore without getting bothered by this crap. Can't a man have his peace? So annoying...
Yes I used incorrect wording when I said petty. I tried to clear that up in the comment right above yours, and again I'm sorry.
"I don't see a person who- doesn't want to be gay, won't admit they are gay, or doesn't understand their gay feelings enough to realize they are gay, as gay. If a person doesn't even know they are gay how can anyone else consider them gay?"
I thought queer was a derogatory word. I believe the proper vernacular is gay. (Or homosexual)
There's absolutely nothing wrong or "petty" about people wanting representation for groups that don't identify as straight. TT has done a pret… morety good job of showing racial diversity in the series but it would be even better to also represent queer identified people. Out of all the hundreds of thousands of video game characters that are straight, I think TT creating some queer characters wouldn't affect this precious ratio too much.
And to your comment on why someone who is gay would not outwardly say they were on a survey can be a result of internalized homophobia which our society loves to instill in anyone who isn't heterosexual.
Queer is actually an all encompassing term that is used in the LGBTQQIA community, it doesn't limit itself to gay. Queer encompasses gay, bi, trans, asexual, pansexual, etc. identities in the community. I know that the main discussion was over homosexual characters, but I opened it up to queer characters in general.
Yes I used incorrect wording when I said petty. I tried to clear that up in the comment right above yours, and again I'm sorry.
"I don't se… moree a person who- doesn't want to be gay, won't admit they are gay, or doesn't understand their gay feelings enough to realize they are gay, as gay. If a person doesn't even know they are gay how can anyone else consider them gay?"
I thought queer was a derogatory word. I believe the proper vernacular is gay. (Or homosexual)
Queer is actually an all encompassing term that is used in the LGBTQQIA community, it doesn't limit itself to gay. Queer encompasses gay, bi, … moretrans, asexual, pansexual, etc. identities in the community. I know that the main discussion was over homosexual characters, but I opened it up to queer characters in general.
I never clicked on it except for one time, but seeing it on top of the thread list EVERY fucking day was hell of annoying. You can't go anywhere on the internet anymore without getting bothered by this crap. Can't a man have his peace? So annoying...
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So Gay Charcters=Pandering to Liberals
Yah okay You obviously know what your talking about
Srsly you make it sound like conservatives can't stand being in the same room as a Gay person
Do the handicapped go to Hell?
Thanks for elaborating that.
Some people in the ZA would definitely see it as a chance to get rid of ''undesirables'', but I'd like to think most would be too worried about surviving tomorrow to give a rat's testicles about sex, race, orientation etc.
Okay, once more:
Obnoxious, stereotypical gay drama queen - liberal propaganda
Quiet, polite person who won't tell anyone that he is gay just for the sake of it - acceptable and no reasonable man would complain about something like that
And just to your information, I can talk to gay people, but I wouldn't want to be in a room with a half-naked man with two sextoys in his hands sexually harrassing me.
Nah, humanity is not as devoted to itself than one may think. We are not like bees who would give their life to save their home, but we would run away, trying to survive even if other people have to die. And in post-apocalyptic societies there will be more racism and homophobia because people become more paranoid and do not trust anything that is different.
Are you serious, dude? I'm a raging homophobe for feeling that this is completely unecessary for the settling of TWD? That is just plain fucking stupid.
"Gay people aren't necessary" is a pretty ass-shit sentiment in a culture where 99% of all media everywhere features exclusively straight people or people who can be assumed to be straight (and don't even bother coming at me with examples of gay people in movies or whatever, I'm aware of them and one gay character for every 7 billion straight ones is Not Enough)
Fucking thank you, i wrote the same stuff up above. We don't know if anyone of these survivors were gay or not, hell there was barely any relationships. A few relationships, but not many. I don't give a single fuck about what gender you generally love, that is your personal choice. (Or maybe sexuality is something you're born with as some people say, but i have no opinion on that, that stuff is out of my league.)
Since when the fuck did media became something that is positive? really. I support gay rights, because i believe everyone should be completely free to love whoever they may like, but the fact of putting in TWD would feel like Telltale is just trying to say: hey look, we got 2 gay people together when there is barely any relationships nor love in the world left, isn't that great? No. It would feel weird. If it's correct with the percentage of gay people in the world is 5%(it's probably more, but open ones) that's 5% upon another 5% to even find another gay person, hell make that 5% times 5% times 50% since you need a certain gender as well. Since the ZA will have wiped out most of the worlds population, like 96-99%, than this seems so far from happening i don't even know. Also, just because 2 people of the right gender find eachother in a safe group, would they even fall in love with eachother? No, probably not. You don't see all the "of which we believe but will never actually know if they are" straight people falling in love with every other straight opposite gender in the group, no. I wouldn't mind if they put eastereggs or hints towards several persons in the group of being homosexual or bisexual, but a couple? No, it feels far fetched and i highly doubt that i will change my mind on that.
[some butt shitter makes up a bunch of statistics to CONCLUSIVELY PROVE that MOGA* folk don't matter] [i jump up on the table and point in your face] don't care
*MOGA being a new acronym standing for Marginalized Orientations and Gender Alignments to replace the increasingly ludicrous LGBTQNIA+ acronym, FYI
I'm not even gonna try anymore. Have a good night, i'm out.
Have fun shitting up your own ass elsewhere
People want gay relationships everywhere, soon it will be in my morning cereals...
Seriously. Shoving your ultra-minority sexuality in everyone's face at every possible corner is not going to make it better accepted, it's going to create a "didn't mind at all at first but now I'm getting tired of this sh-t" kind of homophobia in reaction.
That's some "Lord of the Flies" Inner Evil shit right there.
Then again, I'm one to believe that some people DO give in to inner evil, so it's just a matter of trying to think if it's the majority who will give into this inner evil, or maybe only a few. By the way the comics and TV show are going, I'm inclined to think that TT's TWD might go the way of "the majority of people are evil" as well.
Wow are you suggesting thats what the majority of gay people do?
You do realise that there are straight people that do that too right?..........
cough @the_red_panda cough
as Margaret Cho eloquently said, oh fuck you!
Please yes, we need more variety in characters, especially sexuality, even if such things really don't matter.
This is a sunked thread...
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Yeah I'm sorry @the_red_panda he was great aswell
Not sure I understand. But hey if you think this is a "sunked thread" I guess you don't care about it which is fine....Bump
Not in a SINGLE line I claimed that the majority of gay people was like this. But now I recognize your obvious shaming tactics.
Thank god this finally got sunken. Was getting really tired of this shit.
I don't even know who that is (and I don't care so don't bother explain), but if you want to tell me to fuck off, just do it, don't hide behind a quote. Or do you think that quoting an insult makes it a clever statement rather than an insult ? It does not.
I don't think this is right or fair at all. It shouldn't bother people whether there are OR aren't gay people/couples in games. Your opinion sounds like what people used to say about black people a few decades ago. Be careful.
By the same argument I should be tired of heterosexual couples being shoved in my face. Oh that's right, I deserve it because I'm "abnormal".
There's absolutely nothing wrong or "petty" about people wanting representation for groups that don't identify as straight. TT has done a pretty good job of showing racial diversity in the series but it would be even better to also represent queer identified people. Out of all the hundreds of thousands of video game characters that are straight, I think TT creating some queer characters wouldn't affect this precious ratio too much.
And to your comment on why someone who is gay would not outwardly say they were on a survey can be a result of internalized homophobia which our society loves to instill in anyone who isn't heterosexual.
People can just deal. If TWD is supposed to present real people surviving in a post-apoc situation, then it should represent real people. Whenever anyone advocates for diversity in any form of media, people are immediately up in arms about it being "political". It's about representation, not politics. If TT wants to create stories with diverse interesting characters, then they need to show characters from all walks of life. Queer characters, racially diverse characters, etc. Contrary to many gamer's and game developer's beliefs, not everyone in the world wants to play a game where the main character/characters are straight white males.
^ You took the words right out of my mouth.
Then why did you keep clicking back to the threa-
You know what, never mind, you deserve this...
I never clicked on it except for one time, but seeing it on top of the thread list EVERY fucking day was hell of annoying. You can't go anywhere on the internet anymore without getting bothered by this crap. Can't a man have his peace? So annoying...
Yes I used incorrect wording when I said petty. I tried to clear that up in the comment right above yours, and again I'm sorry.
"I don't see a person who- doesn't want to be gay, won't admit they are gay, or doesn't understand their gay feelings enough to realize they are gay, as gay. If a person doesn't even know they are gay how can anyone else consider them gay?"
I thought queer was a derogatory word. I believe the proper vernacular is gay. (Or homosexual)
Queer is actually an all encompassing term that is used in the LGBTQQIA community, it doesn't limit itself to gay. Queer encompasses gay, bi, trans, asexual, pansexual, etc. identities in the community. I know that the main discussion was over homosexual characters, but I opened it up to queer characters in general.
Thanks for the information, I did not know that.
No problem
Well it's your opinion, who am I to tell you otherwise? Fair enough.