Haha sleep paralysis xD such a weird thing...Fun fact, in japan, they call it "Kanashibari" and it's believed to be caused by ghosts and evil spirits haha !
Another case of "if we can't explain it, it must be ghosts or aliens or God" !
Yeah, the "long tunnel wich leads somewhere" thing never convinced me, I prefer your explanation.
And, I am just theorizing like I said a… morebove, I don't particulary believe my opinion is right. That is why I call it a theorie
Last thing, your explanation about the sub consciousness is really good and you could link it with the sleep paralysis it is very similar and we have prooths of it.
That is totally right.
I don't mind religious people, they are doing whatever they want with their lives as long as they don't harm someo… morene but some scientifics just want everyone to admit they are right and sometimes without even solid prooths. And they fight eachover ( religious people AND other scientist ), very professional...
It's not wrong, it's the people who live by their code that twisted it. If Jesus did exist, my guess is that he had a noble goal in mind...t… morehen he died and people used his teaching for their own gain...such is the way of our species sadly...although i do believe that there is still good in humanity, i believe we can make difference in the long run.
I believe in my own self and that's enough for me. :P
"I don't know what this is, therefore it must be aliens or god"
Always found that a little silly, it's like some sort of joker when people don't know something.
And concerning sleep paralysis, it is indeed weird. Never happened to me but I did some research because the subject passionated me and I hope I will never experience it even for the scientific aspect x)
Haha sleep paralysis xD such a weird thing...Fun fact, in japan, they call it "Kanashibari" and it's believed to be caused by ghosts and evil spirits haha !
Another case of "if we can't explain it, it must be ghosts or aliens or God" !
This is something interesting to discuss. I'm not a vegetarian. but I understand that animals have the right to life as every living being. and I think the food industry today is no different from the Nazi concentration camps. if you ever stopped to see what they actually do with animals will give me every reason.
There is no way we are the only living lives in this gigantic universe.
In fact, I thought you would say no because of your opinion on religion. Because, you know, in the Bible it says God created life on earth so it would basically means that there is no life elsewhere which is a pretty silly idea.
I don't know i don't think it is that simple, I think things may happen for a reason too, but what those reasons are beyond our understanding in the grand scheme of everything. It isn't something i think we can figure out, because in our reality all we see is the randomness of it.
Sometimes when something bad happens in a person's life, it can be interpreted as a test directed to oneself, or to the people around you. f… moreor example; When a mother loses her child. this can mean a test for the mother, or. it was a Karma for the child.
when a good person suffers. he/she may be, actually. just paying for something "not so good" made in a past life.
The law of Karma is that law which adjusts effect to its cause, in other words. all the good or evil we have done in life will bring us good or bad consequences in this life or the next. like the choices we made in TT game.
Not just that, it hurts their reputation and the reputation of those who follow them. It also gives a bad image of atheists in general. They basically open the door for bad criticism and publicity.
Oh Yeah!
That's why I left clear the issue of respect. I was aware that this kind of topic always generates controversy. but everyone here is doing well!
Yeah, because of that, atheists have a bad image unfortunately.
If they could stop trying to shove their opinions deep into people's thro… moreats, that would be great. Just expose the facts and let the people choose to believe it or not, that would be far more simple.
Yeah, because of that, atheists have a bad image unfortunately.
If they could stop trying to shove their opinions deep into people's throats, that would be great. Just expose the facts and let the people choose to believe it or not, that would be far more simple.
Not just that, it hurts their reputation and the reputation of those who follow them. It also gives a bad image of atheists in general. They basically open the door for bad criticism and publicity.
However on the serious side, You're right. I guess I'm running low on power as i had a really long day and now I'm very sleepy. That's why i ceased to reply much.
Yeah, because of that, atheists have a bad image unfortunately.
If they could stop trying to shove their opinions deep into people's thro… moreats, that would be great. Just expose the facts and let the people choose to believe it or not, that would be far more simple.
However on the serious side, You're right. I guess I'm running low on power as i had a really long day and now I'm very sleepy. That's why i ceased to reply much.
However on the serious side, You're right. I guess I'm running low on power as i had a really long day and now I'm very sleepy. That's why i ceased to reply much.
From what i gathered he doesn't believe in "God" per se...just the spiritualistic part of it. No set religion, just beliefs in stuff and thaangs i guess...loll
No, I always believed in aliens.
There is no way we are the only living lives in this gigantic universe.
In fact, I thought you would … moresay no because of your opinion on religion. Because, you know, in the Bible it says God created life on earth so it would basically means that there is no life elsewhere which is a pretty silly idea.
From what i gathered he doesn't believe in "God" per se...just the spiritualistic part of it. No set religion, just beliefs in stuff and thaangs i guess...loll
Edit: fixed "dude"
Well, the basic principle of this question is as old as religion itself. Why do bad things happen, when there is an almighty being. The Theodicy problem. I think it is one of the main reasons why many don't believe in God. It would be nice if we could solve this ancient problem in this thread
I personally believe in God. I believe in a God to whom free will is very important. I think that nearly everything terrible (e.g. war) that happens to mankind, happens because of mankind. I don't think that God would intervene in such a matter, because of our free will. I mean what point would life have, if it would be steered completly. If we can't choose, why then give us the illusion to do so.
I don't think that a ZA would change my believe. Because I'm pretty sure that if something like this happened, mankind would have screwed something up.
My opinion about religion is that most of the time people take it too literally. (that's why this is a dangerous topic to discuss. but. like Clementine I'm not afraid to face challenges, and so I created this topic. hahaha)
I think each person should/could look for different religions or doctrines, study it and draw their own conclusions based on what they read. debating with friends, or in communities like this. critical thinking is something essential. otherwise you're just a religious fanatic. What I definitely do not think is right. is someone criticizing negatively something that doesn't even know. and things like this happen quite..
In the end, what matters is what you FEEL inside. and not what other people say is right.
No, I always believed in aliens.
There is no way we are the only living lives in this gigantic universe.
In fact, I thought you would … moresay no because of your opinion on religion. Because, you know, in the Bible it says God created life on earth so it would basically means that there is no life elsewhere which is a pretty silly idea.
Like i said, there's still hope for humanity :P It doesn't always have to spawn some petty conflicts over insignificant matters. There's still some good in humanity, even in our corrupted society.
The size of a catastrophe does not matter. Whether apocalyptic or a hurricane, the fact remains that God can not be both all powerful and all good. I still don't think you can get around Epicurius:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Another example is this German movie I was watching, where this serial killer goes on about how God knows everything, and in putting the fruit in the Garden of Eden he know how everything would turn out.
Of course, God being malevolent and not existing are two completely different things. If a god were to exist, there is nothing that requires that it be a good one. What is more interesting, to me at least, is the question of God and free will.
From what i gathered he doesn't believe in "God" per se...just the spiritualistic part of it. No set religion, just beliefs in stuff and thaangs i guess...loll
Edit: fixed "dude"
I am Muslim(don't worry, I won't bomb anyone), and I believe strongly in god. And if a zombie apocalypse were to happen. I would think of it as a test, a huge test from god to mankind. But not a final test, or at least not necessarily.
Why? Because I'd think part of the test wouldn't just be about strength and survivability. But also about intelligence and science. That if god were to create(whether directly or indirectly) a zombie outbreak, (and I'd be hoping it wasn't final.), it would be one that is curable. Where the true solution to the test is to both survive this seemingly hopeless situation AND maintain Knowledge and Research and Technology and Advancement to the point of actually finding a cure.
Of course it could also be an incurable final test before judgement day zombie outbreak. But out of the two possibilities I'd assume it's the former.
I see many people talking around things like: If God exists, then why he let innocent people die murdered or anything like that ..
God is not Superman and all people have free will. But everything good or bad that you do in life will be charged at some point. either in this life or the next.
that's why I love the concept of Karma. is something for which there is no escape. You can lie to everyone else, but never to yourself!
Well, the basic principle of this question is as old as religion itself. Why do bad things happen, when there is an almighty being. The Theo… moredicy problem. I think it is one of the main reasons why many don't believe in God. It would be nice if we could solve this ancient problem in this thread
I personally believe in God. I believe in a God to whom free will is very important. I think that nearly everything terrible (e.g. war) that happens to mankind, happens because of mankind. I don't think that God would intervene in such a matter, because of our free will. I mean what point would life have, if it would be steered completly. If we can't choose, why then give us the illusion to do so.
I don't think that a ZA would change my believe. Because I'm pretty sure that if something like this happened, mankind would have screwed something up.
Well I personally can't think of God being 'bad'. Although of course one possible explanation, I believe that if he really would be malevolent, life could be so much worse. As an example there could be a real zombie apocaplypse right now. I really think that free will is one important key stone.
The size of a catastrophe does not matter. Whether apocalyptic or a hurricane, the fact remains that God can not be both all powerful and al… morel good. I still don't think you can get around Epicurius:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Another example is this German movie I was watching, where this serial killer goes on about how God knows everything, and in putting the fruit in the Garden of Eden he know how everything would turn out.
Of course, God being malevolent and not existing are two completely different things. If a god were to exist, there is nothing that requires that it be a good one. What is more interesting, to me at least, is the question of God and free will.
I am Muslim(don't worry, I won't bomb anyone), and I believe strongly in god. And if a zombie apocalypse were to happen. I would think of it… more as a test, a huge test from god to mankind. But not a final test, or at least not necessarily.
Why? Because I'd think part of the test wouldn't just be about strength and survivability. But also about intelligence and science. That if god were to create(whether directly or indirectly) a zombie outbreak, (and I'd be hoping it wasn't final.), it would be one that is curable. Where the true solution to the test is to both survive this seemingly hopeless situation AND maintain Knowledge and Research and Technology and Advancement to the point of actually finding a cure.
Of course it could also be an incurable final test before judgement day zombie outbreak. But out of the two possibilities I'd assume it's the former.
I am a Christian in the most basic sense. I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and consider myself more spiritual than religious. Oddly enough, I'm not a fan of organized religion and am a complete dunderhead when it comes to the Bible. To me, my beliefs are extremely private, my internal values kept mostly to myself unless questioned by a trustworthy friend. I accept and respect anyone whose beliefs differ from my own. I expect those around me to respect me, so why would I criticize or judge someone who doesn't have the same point of view as me? I love it when people discuss their religious beliefs or lack thereof because I find other peoples' perspectives on life very fascinating and am always open to learning something new. As far as blind faith is concerned, I find it contradictory of myself to be skeptical about most things but have no problem believing God is there without any concrete proof. shrug At least I'm fully aware of the contradiction. LOL.
Now if the ZA occurred, I'm pretty sure my faith in God wouldn't be shaken. It's easy to say that right now because I haven't been put in that position, but I honestly don't know. Another contradiction. I say I have blind faith but am uncertain about my perspective if thrust into a catastrophically horrifying situation. I think it would be me more embittered at God rather than eliminating the possibility of His existence. If those I love deeply were dying all around me, and I was forced to put them out of their misery before they turned, I think it's only human nature to fall into despair and wonder if God abandoned us.
I think he can prevent evil, but he does not. because this is part of the spiritual evolution of each person.
For a child to learn to ride a bike you need to let her try to do it alone. even though she/he will probably fall a few times and get hurt in the process.
If God would keep all the evil that exists in the world he would be contradicting free will that he gave us.
The size of a catastrophe does not matter. Whether apocalyptic or a hurricane, the fact remains that God can not be both all powerful and al… morel good. I still don't think you can get around Epicurius:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Another example is this German movie I was watching, where this serial killer goes on about how God knows everything, and in putting the fruit in the Garden of Eden he know how everything would turn out.
Of course, God being malevolent and not existing are two completely different things. If a god were to exist, there is nothing that requires that it be a good one. What is more interesting, to me at least, is the question of God and free will.
The concept of the test is a interesting one. One of the possible interpretation of the book of Job. And of course it is one possible explanation. Although personally I can't grasp the idea of a test. I mean in my understanding a test is needed to classify something that you don't know.
As an example a teacher tests his class to be able to classify his pupils. Because he can't be sure about what they know exactly. And my understanding of almighty includes that God knows everything, too. So I don't see the necessity of a test, as God would know exactly what the result would be.
A second possible interpretation would be, that the test is not to classify something but to teach something to the pupils. I can't wrap my head around this too. If the test is to teach something, then why this 'complicated' and dangerous (may it be a ZA or something else) way. There are surely many other ways to pass knowledge without the need to kill people, from the perspective of an almighty and 'good' God.
This is no general criticism of the Islam. The concept of a test can be found in Christianity and Judaism, too. It is no general criticism of religion either. It is just this concept of a test, that I can't explain.
I am Muslim(don't worry, I won't bomb anyone), and I believe strongly in god. And if a zombie apocalypse were to happen. I would think of it… more as a test, a huge test from god to mankind. But not a final test, or at least not necessarily.
Why? Because I'd think part of the test wouldn't just be about strength and survivability. But also about intelligence and science. That if god were to create(whether directly or indirectly) a zombie outbreak, (and I'd be hoping it wasn't final.), it would be one that is curable. Where the true solution to the test is to both survive this seemingly hopeless situation AND maintain Knowledge and Research and Technology and Advancement to the point of actually finding a cure.
Of course it could also be an incurable final test before judgement day zombie outbreak. But out of the two possibilities I'd assume it's the former.
Thank you for your comment sir! and relax no one will judge you here! ^^
I also never read the Bible. My belief is much more critical and comes from what I feel inside. My belief in God is something I discovered for myself, not something that someone told me at some point of life. and you can be sure that I've asked myself a lot about this subject.
For me the lack of an afterlife. makes the act of living something completely useless and meaningless. is like a bad joke .. what good this would be for a person. to live, learn, love, discover and evolve, if at the end all you've earned will be "SHIFT+DELETE" forever!?? if you analyze carefully. it's like you never existed!! there is no purpose in living like this!
I don't know as for you. but life would completely lose sense to me and would be a complete waste of time..
I am a Christian in the most basic sense. I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and consider myself more spiritual than religious. Od… moredly enough, I'm not a fan of organized religion and am a complete dunderhead when it comes to the Bible. To me, my beliefs are extremely private, my internal values kept mostly to myself unless questioned by a trustworthy friend. I accept and respect anyone whose beliefs differ from my own. I expect those around me to respect me, so why would I criticize or judge someone who doesn't have the same point of view as me? I love it when people discuss their religious beliefs or lack thereof because I find other peoples' perspectives on life very fascinating and am always open to learning something new. As far as blind faith is concerned, I find it contradictory of myself to be skeptical about most things but have no problem believing God is there without any concrete proof. shrug At least I'm fully aware of th… [view original content]
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No problem :P
I wish it won't happen to you though... It is some scary crap.
Haha sleep paralysis xD such a weird thing...Fun fact, in japan, they call it "Kanashibari" and it's believed to be caused by ghosts and evil spirits haha !
Another case of "if we can't explain it, it must be ghosts or aliens or God" !
Thanks. I guess. xD
And then i end up being like: "Flip the table, SCREW YOU ALL!" xD
YES! this was a good answer!
as always, the big problem is ourselves!
Agreed.
Gotta admire how civilized this thread is.
"I don't know what this is, therefore it must be aliens or god"
Always found that a little silly, it's like some sort of joker when people don't know something.
And concerning sleep paralysis, it is indeed weird. Never happened to me but I did some research because the subject passionated me and I hope I will never experience it even for the scientific aspect x)
Ops sorry bro.
He actually ate fish at the last supper?
This is something interesting to discuss. I'm not a vegetarian. but I understand that animals have the right to life as every living being. and I think the food industry today is no different from the Nazi concentration camps. if you ever stopped to see what they actually do with animals will give me every reason.
No, I always believed in aliens.
There is no way we are the only living lives in this gigantic universe.
In fact, I thought you would say no because of your opinion on religion. Because, you know, in the Bible it says God created life on earth so it would basically means that there is no life elsewhere which is a pretty silly idea.
I don't know i don't think it is that simple, I think things may happen for a reason too, but what those reasons are beyond our understanding in the grand scheme of everything. It isn't something i think we can figure out, because in our reality all we see is the randomness of it.
The funny thing is that they always end up being less credible at the end than at the beggining x)
Oh Yeah!
That's why I left clear the issue of respect. I was aware that this kind of topic always generates controversy. but everyone here is doing well!
Not just that, it hurts their reputation and the reputation of those who follow them. It also gives a bad image of atheists in general. They basically open the door for bad criticism and publicity.
Honestly, I was scared once I saw the religion topic brought up. I thought for sure people would be arguing over it.
A live example of one of those debates....
Yeah, because of that, atheists have a bad image unfortunately.
If they could stop trying to shove their opinions deep into people's throats, that would be great. Just expose the facts and let the people choose to believe it or not, that would be far more simple.
However on the serious side, You're right. I guess I'm running low on power as i had a really long day and now I'm very sleepy. That's why i ceased to reply much.
We're arguing, But professionally. THAT's the difference.
A live example of these debates....
Well, go to bed and come back with all your energy
...and don't have sleep paralysis...
LOL! Okay, Will see you guys later.
Totally like that.
From what i gathered he doesn't believe in "God" per se...just the spiritualistic part of it. No set religion, just beliefs in stuff and thaangs i guess...loll
Edit: fixed "dude"
Ok then x)
That is a way of thinking like others. Though, I never believed in "spiritualistic" things. But it's nice to see she is open to every opinion
Your body decays back into the Earth.
Well, the basic principle of this question is as old as religion itself. Why do bad things happen, when there is an almighty being. The Theodicy problem. I think it is one of the main reasons why many don't believe in God. It would be nice if we could solve this ancient problem in this thread
I personally believe in God. I believe in a God to whom free will is very important. I think that nearly everything terrible (e.g. war) that happens to mankind, happens because of mankind. I don't think that God would intervene in such a matter, because of our free will. I mean what point would life have, if it would be steered completly. If we can't choose, why then give us the illusion to do so.
I don't think that a ZA would change my believe. Because I'm pretty sure that if something like this happened, mankind would have screwed something up.
My opinion about religion is that most of the time people take it too literally. (that's why this is a dangerous topic to discuss. but. like Clementine I'm not afraid to face challenges, and so I created this topic. hahaha)
I think each person should/could look for different religions or doctrines, study it and draw their own conclusions based on what they read. debating with friends, or in communities like this. critical thinking is something essential. otherwise you're just a religious fanatic. What I definitely do not think is right. is someone criticizing negatively something that doesn't even know. and things like this happen quite..
In the end, what matters is what you FEEL inside. and not what other people say is right.
Like i said, there's still hope for humanity :P It doesn't always have to spawn some petty conflicts over insignificant matters. There's still some good in humanity, even in our corrupted society.
The size of a catastrophe does not matter. Whether apocalyptic or a hurricane, the fact remains that God can not be both all powerful and all good. I still don't think you can get around Epicurius:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Another example is this German movie I was watching, where this serial killer goes on about how God knows everything, and in putting the fruit in the Garden of Eden he know how everything would turn out.
Of course, God being malevolent and not existing are two completely different things. If a god were to exist, there is nothing that requires that it be a good one. What is more interesting, to me at least, is the question of God and free will.
I'm a guy bro! biography on my profile is quite clear about it.. hahaha
And I do believe in God. but not this merciless God who condemns imperfect people to eternal hell! this idea is, at a minimum. crude.
I am Muslim(don't worry, I won't bomb anyone), and I believe strongly in god. And if a zombie apocalypse were to happen. I would think of it as a test, a huge test from god to mankind. But not a final test, or at least not necessarily.
Why? Because I'd think part of the test wouldn't just be about strength and survivability. But also about intelligence and science. That if god were to create(whether directly or indirectly) a zombie outbreak, (and I'd be hoping it wasn't final.), it would be one that is curable. Where the true solution to the test is to both survive this seemingly hopeless situation AND maintain Knowledge and Research and Technology and Advancement to the point of actually finding a cure.
Of course it could also be an incurable final test before judgement day zombie outbreak. But out of the two possibilities I'd assume it's the former.
See ya man! nice talking to you!
Nice answer my friend!
I see many people talking around things like: If God exists, then why he let innocent people die murdered or anything like that ..
God is not Superman and all people have free will. But everything good or bad that you do in life will be charged at some point. either in this life or the next.
that's why I love the concept of Karma. is something for which there is no escape. You can lie to everyone else, but never to yourself!
Well I personally can't think of God being 'bad'. Although of course one possible explanation, I believe that if he really would be malevolent, life could be so much worse. As an example there could be a real zombie apocaplypse right now. I really think that free will is one important key stone.
your cute i like you.
I am a Christian in the most basic sense. I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and consider myself more spiritual than religious. Oddly enough, I'm not a fan of organized religion and am a complete dunderhead when it comes to the Bible. To me, my beliefs are extremely private, my internal values kept mostly to myself unless questioned by a trustworthy friend. I accept and respect anyone whose beliefs differ from my own. I expect those around me to respect me, so why would I criticize or judge someone who doesn't have the same point of view as me? I love it when people discuss their religious beliefs or lack thereof because I find other peoples' perspectives on life very fascinating and am always open to learning something new. As far as blind faith is concerned, I find it contradictory of myself to be skeptical about most things but have no problem believing God is there without any concrete proof. shrug At least I'm fully aware of the contradiction. LOL.
Now if the ZA occurred, I'm pretty sure my faith in God wouldn't be shaken. It's easy to say that right now because I haven't been put in that position, but I honestly don't know. Another contradiction. I say I have blind faith but am uncertain about my perspective if thrust into a catastrophically horrifying situation. I think it would be me more embittered at God rather than eliminating the possibility of His existence. If those I love deeply were dying all around me, and I was forced to put them out of their misery before they turned, I think it's only human nature to fall into despair and wonder if God abandoned us.
I think he can prevent evil, but he does not. because this is part of the spiritual evolution of each person.
For a child to learn to ride a bike you need to let her try to do it alone. even though she/he will probably fall a few times and get hurt in the process.
If God would keep all the evil that exists in the world he would be contradicting free will that he gave us.
The concept of the test is a interesting one. One of the possible interpretation of the book of Job. And of course it is one possible explanation. Although personally I can't grasp the idea of a test. I mean in my understanding a test is needed to classify something that you don't know.
As an example a teacher tests his class to be able to classify his pupils. Because he can't be sure about what they know exactly. And my understanding of almighty includes that God knows everything, too. So I don't see the necessity of a test, as God would know exactly what the result would be.
A second possible interpretation would be, that the test is not to classify something but to teach something to the pupils. I can't wrap my head around this too. If the test is to teach something, then why this 'complicated' and dangerous (may it be a ZA or something else) way. There are surely many other ways to pass knowledge without the need to kill people, from the perspective of an almighty and 'good' God.
This is no general criticism of the Islam. The concept of a test can be found in Christianity and Judaism, too. It is no general criticism of religion either. It is just this concept of a test, that I can't explain.
Thank you for your comment sir! and relax no one will judge you here! ^^
I also never read the Bible. My belief is much more critical and comes from what I feel inside. My belief in God is something I discovered for myself, not something that someone told me at some point of life. and you can be sure that I've asked myself a lot about this subject.
For me the lack of an afterlife. makes the act of living something completely useless and meaningless. is like a bad joke .. what good this would be for a person. to live, learn, love, discover and evolve, if at the end all you've earned will be "SHIFT+DELETE" forever!?? if you analyze carefully. it's like you never existed!! there is no purpose in living like this!
I don't know as for you. but life would completely lose sense to me and would be a complete waste of time..