That was the plan. She let Kenny make his own assumption and he tried to kill her for no good reason, didnt even give her time to explain.
Jane killed random russian guy and got very emotional. How do you think she could kill a baby and not feel a thing?
Well said. I don't see how anyone could just take Jane's word for it that the whole baby incident was just an "accident" based on what we kn… moreow about her character and what she has done in the past. And then the fact that she was seemingly not interested in explaining herself made it look even worse.
She let Kenny make his own assumption and he tried to kill her for no good reason
You don't know that Kenny was trying to kill her until the point that he was fighting for his life outside the building. Holding someone against the wall doesn't mean you're trying to kill them.
didnt even give her time to explain.
Yes he did. He was only walking around while she had the knife out. She gave her realllllly weak excuse of "It was an accident", and when Kenny called B.S., she completely refused to rationalize. She was not sincere. She was not apologetic. Instead she was threatening and insulting. She was purposely pushing him to fight.
Even after he pushed her to the wall, there was nothing preventing her from speaking even though she was in a tussle. After she slashes Kenny and he disengages from the fight, she had a perfect opportunity to speak. She had a perfect opportunity to tell him AJ was alive. Instead she tried to kill him, even though he wasn't even fighting her at that point.
Jane killed random russian guy and got very emotional
She has done other immoral things and seemingly not cared. She has constantly brought up abandoning people. Remember what she did to Troy? Jane is no saint. There is plenty of reason to figure she abandoned the baby. Kenny didn't just feel this way for zero reason.
Honestly this doesn't even matter anyway. The point is that Jane purposely did nothing to rationalize, and it made her look all the more guilty.
That was the plan. She let Kenny make his own assumption and he tried to kill her for no good reason, didnt even give her time to explain.
… moreJane killed random russian guy and got very emotional. How do you think she could kill a baby and not feel a thing?
She forced her sister to move through 4 states (pretty selfish if you ask me), until one day they had to jump from one roof to another and her sister just gave up. She explained how she had to force Jamie up everyday, even if she knew that Jamie wanted to just die. Doing a favor like that to someone you love is selfless.
blaming Jane for letting her sister die, is like blaming Kenny for letting Katjaa shoot herself.
She forced her sister to move through 4 states (pretty selfish if you ask me), until one day they had to jump from one roof to another and h… moreer sister just gave up. She explained how she had to force Jamie up everyday, even if she knew that Jamie wanted to just die. Doing a favor like that to someone you love is selfless.
blaming Jane for letting her sister die, is like blaming Kenny for letting Katjaa shoot herself.
Plus Jane didn't even bring up the fact that her sister was possibly better off dead until she brought it up at the end of actually stating what happened. Sounded like she was just sick of her sister being a burden and had to look out for her own survival.
This isn't the only time Jane has abandoned someone, or advocated for abandoning someone. Heck, she brings up straight up abandoning Kenny even before she pulls her sick twisted agenda in an attempt to fight him.
The whole fight scene started after Jane was pretending to almost cry and said "he's..."
After that Kenny went outside and after awhile, came back inside, walking towards Jane looking hostile.
Jane dodges a punch from Kenny and Says "I didnt kill him, it was an accident Kenny" to which Kenny replies "bullshit"
She pulls the knife out after dodging the first punch and then says that she wont back down.
Kenny seems to calm down and she puts her knife away, and then Kenny charges. After choking her a bit, kenny falls to the ground after a punch from Jane, and he blocks all the punches from Jane while on the ground. Next, Jane falls to the ground and as Kenny is charging at her, so she takes her knife out and slashes Kenny. Kenny starts to back off to outside and Jane tells him to "just go" and Kenny replies "i aint going nowhere". After that she tries to slash Kenny again and kenny grabs her hand and throws her to the ground. Jane starts to do something with Kennys eye (no idea what to call that), and if Clem doesnt push her away, Kenny bites Janes finger. After that Kenny picks the knife and stabs Jane close to knee and right after that, he tries to stab her to the chest and slowly overpowers Jane, if Clem doesnt intervene.
We are aware of MANY immoral things Kenny has done, yet somehow they dont matter.
Troy probably raped Jane or something like that, considering how angry Jane was at him and how brutally she got him killed.
And come on... You cant honestly talk about rationality and Kenny in same sentence, unless if its against him. Kenny has been through the series the most irrational person. Making up his mind and never changing it, no matter who/how people talk with him.
She is talking about abandoning people, because if you want to survive, you might have to leave someone behind. The story about 4 people dying because of 1 guy who was under a car or something, clearly taught her that you cant and you shouldnt save all.
She let Kenny make his own assumption and he tried to kill her for no good reason
You don't know that Kenny was trying to kill her u… morentil the point that he was fighting for his life outside the building. Holding someone against the wall doesn't mean you're trying to kill them.
didnt even give her time to explain.
Yes he did. He was only walking around while she had the knife out. She gave her realllllly weak excuse of "It was an accident", and when Kenny called B.S., she completely refused to rationalize. She was not sincere. She was not apologetic. Instead she was threatening and insulting. She was purposely pushing him to fight.
Even after he pushed her to the wall, there was nothing preventing her from speaking even though she was in a tussle. After she slashes Kenny and he disengages from the fight, she had a perfect opportunity to speak. She had a perfect opportunity to tell him AJ was alive. Instead she tried to … [view original content]
Katjaa, just like Jaimie, had a breaking point but for Jamie, Jane forced her to keep living for many months, until she couldnt save her on the roof and she had to let her go.
When Katjaa was going to lose her child, it was too much for her, so she killed herself.
i know there is no point reasoning with you, just like there is no point reasoning with Kenny in the game, so ill just give up on that. Cant keep up with the comments currently.
Plus Jane didn't even bring up the fact that her sister was possibly better off dead until she brought it up at the end of actually stating … morewhat happened. Sounded like she was just sick of her sister being a burden and had to look out for her own survival.
This isn't the only time Jane has abandoned someone, or advocated for abandoning someone. Heck, she brings up straight up abandoning Kenny even before she pulls her sick twisted agenda in an attempt to fight him.
Katjaa, just like Jaimie, had a breaking point but for Jamie, Jane forced her to keep living for many months, until she couldnt save her on … morethe roof and she had to let her go.
When Katjaa was going to lose her child, it was too much for her, so she killed herself.
I dont care if you believe that Kenny is a hero. Im just bored of people discrediting everything good Jane has done for Clem and the group and ignoring everything bad Kenny has done.
I don't discredit Jane, she did a lot of good and I acctually liked her a lot. But I really detest people who manipulate others and even if they got good qualities I'd want nothing to do with them.
Kenny is very hard to deal with if you disagree, but he is family to my Clem and you don't kill family.
I dont care if you believe that Kenny is a hero. Im just bored of people discrediting everything good Jane has done for Clem and the group and ignoring everything bad Kenny has done.
I don't discredit Jane, she did a lot of good and I acctually liked her a lot. But I really detest people who manipulate others and even if … morethey got good qualities I'd want nothing to do with them.
Kenny is very hard to deal with if you disagree, but he is family to my Clem and you don't kill family.
Well considering the situation, Kenny deserved to die more than Jane. If there was an option, i would have just left Kenny behind (and give AJ to him so he has reason to live).
But Telltale loves to break peoples hearts and forced me to kill an old friend.
Well considering the situation, Kenny deserved to die more than Jane. If there was an option, i would have just left Kenny behind (and give … moreAJ to him so he has reason to live).
But Telltale loves to break peoples hearts and forced me to kill an old friend.
Well considering the situation, Kenny deserved to die more than Jane. If there was an option, i would have just left Kenny behind (and give … moreAJ to him so he has reason to live).
But Telltale loves to break peoples hearts and forced me to kill an old friend.
You dont have the absolute knowledge of Jane playing tricks on Kenny while you have to make the decision, so dont make yourself look stupid. She only left people behind who werent going to make it anyway.
But would you stay with your brother regardless of it meaning both of you dying instead of just your brother?
That's what Jane did. That's all she did. She didn't think "Finally I'm rid of that fucking sister". Jane broke down because of it. It became nigh-impossible for her to bond with others after that. The entire character arc for Jane was her growth from this broken girl, into a girl able to once again bond with and trust in others. That's why Jane was - to me - by far the most interesting, most sympathetic, and best character in season 2.
Well like ive said before, Kenny fans base their choice on irrational factors (feelings and stuff).
I like to base my choices on objectivit… morey and rationality/logic, and thats why i pick Jane. My worldview is cold and cynical, just like Janes, from your point of view.
Well like ive said before, Kenny fans base their choice on irrational factors (feelings and stuff).
I like to base my choices on objectivity and rationality/logic, and thats why i pick Jane. My worldview is cold and cynical, just like Janes, from your point of view.
I dont care if you believe that Kenny is a hero. Im just bored of people discrediting everything good Jane has done for Clem and the group and ignoring everything bad Kenny has done.
Dont compare Stranger to Arvo... Stranger lost his son to the woods, his wife and daughter later, because Kenny decided to steal their supplies form the car. If stangers behaviour isnt justified by loss of everything, then neither is Kennys reckless behaviour...
Plus Arvo led his group to go after Clem's group for revenge, even if you did not steal from him. Its a miracle no one in the group got kill… moreed during that exchange. If someone would have died, I bet more people would be a lot more open to being rough with Arvo. Arvo is no better than the Stranger.
Well like ive said before, Kenny fans base their choice on irrational factors (feelings and stuff).
I like to base my choices on objectivit… morey and rationality/logic, and thats why i pick Jane. My worldview is cold and cynical, just like Janes, from your point of view.
I got those events, and even after knowing this, I shot Kenny. Jane wouldn't lose the baby on purpose, so even if he died, I would choose Jane over Kenny. He said it himself : "what is it to life for (if the baby happened to die)".
Survival was possible with both characters and at the time I liked them both equaly, but Kenny was broken and didn't feel like a reliable person. Jane has history, she is full of sorrow about her sister, but she is less messed up. Also I wish I could show Kenny that the baby was alive. (excuse my english I'm also French )
Well like i've said before, i try to make my decision based on objectivity and rationality, which necessary isnt considered moral choice by everyone. I wouldnt even bother to talk about this if i was actually trying to defend my subjective moral values, because its just matter of opinion.
Some people think rape is wrong, some think rape is fault of rape victim. (not trying to imply that your choice is exremely wrong or anything)
Moral values just happen to be subjetive and there are no absolute moral values, only the ones we create and put them on use.
In the heat of the situation, if I had to choose, I really could never shoot Kenny.
At any rate, I would still choose Kenny on a logical point, why? because...
Safety - Kenny actually takes Clem and AJ to a safe place, Jane takes her back to a place that's been stormed down by a heard of walkers 3 times.
Survival - Kenny can raise Clem and AJ, he's had experience, he knows what mistakes NOT to make. Jane can teach Clem survival, but she sure can't raise her, Jane even offered alcohol to her, she's a bad influence, she knows what mistakes not to make, but makes them anyway.
They both have their ups and downs, but Jane made her decision to fuck with Kenny, none of that had to happen, at the same time, it was a test to see if Kenny would calm down or fight, of course, if someone started bashing my dead wife, child, and other loved ones, and then accidently kill one of the last things I had left for hope, I'd probably kill Jane too, but that's me.
Jane - Selfish bitch who really only cares about herself, can't let go of the past, basically Clem in her eyes is her sister, Jane put AJ in danger to prove a point, and in her ending she's willing to push away a starving family with a child, but, it's Clem's call, Jane can't oppose if she lets them in.
Kenny - A tired, tortured man who just wants something to hold hope, he cares more about Clem and AJ than himself, his past may haunt him into a time bomb if someone hurt what he cares for, but that's the thing, he cares about Clem, even after you choose the option the axe Sarita in the face, does Kenny try to kill or hurt you? No, he just gets really pissed off and goes into thought, still willing to actually speak to Clem.
I'm not saying Kenny's a saint, but comparing all the endings together, and thinking logically about both Clem's relationship with Kenny(if you made it good,) and AJ's survival, Kenny'd be the right choice.
Again, from anyone's view in the middle of the situation not knowing the other option, I can see why you'd shoot Kenny, I mean the game plays ominous music on almost every scene he had heading to that scene, the game tricks you into thinking Kenny's the worst option, makes him look like the bad guy at any given moment.
In the end, Kenny would sacrifice himself for Clem and AJ's survival, a place where they can actually sleep in peace, something Kenny had been wanting for a long time, but still gave it up for the kids. But it would really depend on your outcomes how you saw Kenny as a person, Kenny also wanted to be the one to raise Clem and AJ, so he could feel complete with his duty as a father, some how die knowing he could raise someone right, he's not planning to die anytime soon if you kept him alive and stayed with him.
If for some reason you saw the Kenny endings amd stayed against him anyway, I'm going to personally say you're crazy.
(Any typos mean I'm typing on a damn Wii U and couldn't care less to serch for 'em. Sorry for any invalid points, I'm too lazy to read over. •ω•)
Shooting Kenny wasn't evil, it just had to be done. I mean he was going insane and he didn't listen to anybody. He knew that himself. I ende… mored up shooting him and just going with Jane. Plus, I thought Wellington was just a lie anyways. Jane didn't want to kill him, she just wanted to leave him. It was a bad plan but I understood why she did it. Those 2 weren't gonna survive together for any while longer. Different mindsets, and idea, plus, I wasn't gonna let Clem leave from Jane, a expert in living in an apocalypse, so yeah. Kenny was a good guy, but I never really had any feelings for him like the rest of the Telltale community does. Not saying that his family's death wasn't tragic or anything. But he's had enough and he wanted to die. It's better like that anyways. At least he doesn't have to deal with all the pain he had anymore...In my story
First of all, they have no any factual evidence showing that wellington exists, and only a person with no rationality left in them would put all ther chips on such decision.
This "Jane is a selfish bitch" argument is getting pretty old, since she clearly shows multiple time that she isnt selfish and she genuinely cares about Clementine.
If you dont say anything, Jane lets the family in... Play the game and get your facts straight before you talk about it.
"he knows what mistakes NOT to make"
He saw Lilly kill Doug/Carley based on phony evidence, yet he tries to kill Jane based on assumption.
He wanted to kill Ben for making a mistake and if Lee doesnt do him a favor and kill Ben, he later understand that he should forgive ben
He shoots one of Carvers men and Carver retaliates by shooting walter.
He is eager to take another shot at Carver and then Carver kills Alvin (not that great at learning from mistakes huh?)
He wants to leave Clementines friend behind (ben) and later he want to kill another Clementines friend (Jane) Clearly he doesnt respect Clementines friends that much.
So much for learning from mistakes...
When Clementine falls under ice, Its Jane who goes to save her, risking her own life, while Kenny is just standing on shore and after they get inside, he is more interested in beating up Arvo than saving Clem from freezing to death. This is one of the reasons i sided with Jane. Kenny can get so angry that he doesnt even care about friends.
In the heat of the situation, if I had to choose, I really could never shoot Kenny.
At any rate, I would still choose Kenny on a logical … morepoint, why? because...
Safety - Kenny actually takes Clem and AJ to a safe place, Jane takes her back to a place that's been stormed down by a heard of walkers 3 times.
Survival - Kenny can raise Clem and AJ, he's had experience, he knows what mistakes NOT to make. Jane can teach Clem survival, but she sure can't raise her, Jane even offered alcohol to her, she's a bad influence, she knows what mistakes not to make, but makes them anyway.
They both have their ups and downs, but Jane made her decision to fuck with Kenny, none of that had to happen, at the same time, it was a test to see if Kenny would calm down or fight, of course, if someone started bashing my dead wife, child, and other loved ones, and then accidently kill one of the last things I had left for hope, I'd probably kill Jane too, but… [view original content]
Dont compare Stranger to Arvo... Stranger lost his son to the woods, his wife and daughter later, because Kenny decided to steal their suppl… moreies form the car. If stangers behaviour isnt justified by loss of everything, then neither is Kennys reckless behaviour...
Arvo similar to Kenny... He also had no problem robbing other people. Kenny is like Arvo and Stranger combined. Broken and crazy, doesnt mind stealing from other people.
she relied that Kennys twisted mind would think she killed him, before even letting her talk. Kenny wouldnt even listen to Clementine and just shove her away. Before Jane even said a word about what really happened with the baby, Kenny was already throwing a punch.
Its like killing random man in your house, just because you thought your wife was having affair with him, before even asking whats going on. That is how Kenny behaved and by no means thats sane or right thing to do.
Behavior immediately following the death of a loved one is kind of different though. Especially when talking about the possibility of murder (which Jane was clearly heavily trying to push on Kenny).
It's proven that Wellington exist if you go with Kenny.
Yeah, I'm sure it's normal to kill the friends of people you care about.
That's actually funny considering she thanks you if you reject them. Didn't know that though.
If you were paying attention, she provoked him into his rage, it wasn't assumption, it was pushing someone too far.
A mistake? Thanks to Ben 4 people died, that includes Kenny's wife and child, but if you'd be okay with someone's stupid idea getting your only children and love partner killed, fine, that's you.
Walter dies no matter what, you can stop him from shooting, but Walter still die, Carver shoots him no matter what.
So you'd be okay with your friend dying? You wouldn't want to kill Carver? You can stop Alvin from dying, but he dies later anyway, how about you play the game before arguing?
Again, Ben fucked up, and it's not until later Kennycuts him some slack once he knows what Ben's been through, this shows Kenny has sympathy.
Jane's only your friend if you the player wants her to be, Jane killed Clementine's friend (Kenny), and got her into this mess in the first place by stealing from Arvo.
Why do you think Kenny was beating up Arvo? Because of Arvo Clem almost died, because of Arvo, Luke killed, Luke, one of Clem's friends, so I'm pretty sure he was in the right place beating him up.
Doesn't care about friends? He lost his damn eye because he was caring about his friends, he's done a lot for Clementine's friends, who in the end treat him like crap, oh no Kenny doesn't trust the kid who just tried to rob them, kill them all, and saw Clem shoot his sister, Arvo must be so trustworthy, right? Oh wait, he steals all your supplies anyway, gets two of Clem's "friends" betray him, and then to top it off, shoots Clementine.
But apparently that puts Kenny in the wrong.
First of all, they have no any factual evidence showing that wellington exists, and only a person with no rationality left in them would put… more all ther chips on such decision.
This "Jane is a selfish bitch" argument is getting pretty old, since she clearly shows multiple time that she isnt selfish and she genuinely cares about Clementine.
If you dont say anything, Jane lets the family in... Play the game and get your facts straight before you talk about it.
"he knows what mistakes NOT to make"
* He saw Lilly kill Doug/Carley based on phony evidence, yet he tries to kill Jane based on assumption.
* He wanted to kill Ben for making a mistake and if Lee doesnt do him a favor and kill Ben, he later understand that he should forgive ben
* He shoots one of Carvers men and Carver retaliates by shooting walter.
* He is eager to take another shot at Carver and then Carver kills Alvin (not that great at learning from mistakes huh?)
* He… [view original content]
It's proven that Wellington exist if you go with Kenny.
Yeah, I'm sure it's normal to kill the friends of people you care about.
That's ac… moretually funny considering she thanks you if you reject them. Didn't know that though.
If you were paying attention, she provoked him into his rage, it wasn't assumption, it was pushing someone too far.
A mistake? Thanks to Ben 4 people died, that includes Kenny's wife and child, but if you'd be okay with someone's stupid idea getting your only children and love partner killed, fine, that's you.
Walter dies no matter what, you can stop him from shooting, but Walter still die, Carver shoots him no matter what.
So you'd be okay with your friend dying? You wouldn't want to kill Carver? You can stop Alvin from dying, but he dies later anyway, how about you play the game before arguing?
Again, Ben fucked up, and it's not until later Kennycuts him some slack once he knows what Ben's been through, this shows … [view original content]
It's proven that Wellington exist if you go with Kenny
When Kenny decided to go look for wellington, and risk lives of the whole group, they dont know for a fact that wellington exists, and you dont base your decision for being god, and knowing all the facts because you have already played through the game.
That's actually funny considering she thanks you if you reject them.
She trust Clementines judgment and thanks her because of making that call.
Walter dies no matter what, you can stop him from shooting, but Walter still die, Carver shoots him no matter what.
Walter dies because Kenny shoots one of carvers men, and Carver retaliates
Jane's only your friend if you the player wants her to be
Jane wants to be Clementines friend and she shows that she really cares about her (saving her from under ice, getting fire started to prevent her from freezing to death)
and got her into this mess in the first place by stealing from Arvo
Doesnt matter if you steal from Arvo or dont, he will still try to rob your group, very much like Kenny stole from the Stranger, and ultimately caused Lee to die because of walker bite.
Why do you think Kenny was beating up Arvo? Because of Arvo Clem almost died
So, beating up someone who almost killed your friend, is more important than trying to save your friend from hypothermia?
Doesn't care about friends?
He doesnt care about Clementines friends. He wants to leave ben behind, but Clementine says "we dont leave friends behind" Kenny doesnt care and he wants Lee to let Ben fall to his death. Same with Jane, Doesnt want to listen her explanation, just assumes she did something bad and tries to murder her even if Clem tries to calm him down
he's done a lot for Clementine's friends, who in the end treat him like crap
Yes, because Kenny behaves like dictator, and gets mad at Clem if she doesnt agree with him everytime, hell, he gets mad at ANYONE who doesnt agree with him on something.
Oh wait, he steals all your supplies anyway, gets two of Clem's "friends" betray him
Kenny caused Bonnie and Mike to betray them, because of his stubborn attitude
It's proven that Wellington exist if you go with Kenny.
Yeah, I'm sure it's normal to kill the friends of people you care about.
That's ac… moretually funny considering she thanks you if you reject them. Didn't know that though.
If you were paying attention, she provoked him into his rage, it wasn't assumption, it was pushing someone too far.
A mistake? Thanks to Ben 4 people died, that includes Kenny's wife and child, but if you'd be okay with someone's stupid idea getting your only children and love partner killed, fine, that's you.
Walter dies no matter what, you can stop him from shooting, but Walter still die, Carver shoots him no matter what.
So you'd be okay with your friend dying? You wouldn't want to kill Carver? You can stop Alvin from dying, but he dies later anyway, how about you play the game before arguing?
Again, Ben fucked up, and it's not until later Kennycuts him some slack once he knows what Ben's been through, this shows … [view original content]
The whole fight scene started after Jane was pretending to almost cry and said "he's..."
You make a lot of assumptions..
Jane dodges a punch from Kenny and Says "I didnt kill him, it was an accident Kenny" to which Kenny replies "bullshit"
Of course hes going to say that. Who would buy that excuse? No one who thinks that their child has been murdered, that's for certain. Of course hes going to call B.S. Jane should have then actually tried to explain/ rationalize what happened. Instead she threatens him.. because of having her agenda to push.
After choking her a bit
He was never choking her at all. He was only holding her to the wall (just like he did to Mike in episode three). That would have been the stupidest way to choke someone ever. His arm wasn't even on her throat. It was on her collarbone. Listen to her in the scene. She isn't gasping for air, her speech is 100% unaffected. Telltale wasn't trying to show her getting choked there.
Next, Jane falls to the ground and as Kenny is charging at her, so she takes her knife out and slashes Kenny.
A.K.A. she escalated the situation with use of lethal force.
Kenny starts to back off to outside and Jane tells him to "just go" and Kenny replies "i aint going nowhere"
You're underselling that. You're missing the part where Jane sprints after him with a knife. Also, just to be clear, when Kenny says "I aint going anywhere", that doesn't mean he was wanting to continue the fight. Just meant that he wasn't going to be scared off.
After that she tries to slash Kenny again and kenny grabs her hand and throws her to the ground.
You forgot the stab part. A slash and a stab. Not just a slash.
So basically what Jane did here was attack Kenny with clear lethal force even though he wasn't currently doing anything to try and hurt her. She didn't try to rationalize or end the fight, she didn't bother to tell him that AJ was still alive. She was just interested in trying to kill him.
Jane starts to do something with Kennys eye (no idea what to call that)
Might as well call it trying to gouge out his eye. Not sure what else it would be. Did you see all the blood..?
After that Kenny picks the knife and stabs Jane close to knee and right after that, he tries to stab her to the chest and slowly overpowers Jane, if Clem doesnt intervene.
Yep, right after Jane had made it very clear that she was out to kill him. Kenny was covered in his own blood.
We are aware of MANY immoral things Kenny has done, yet somehow they dont matter.
Doesn't matter when just looking at who was right and who was wrong in this particular instance.
And come on... You cant honestly talk about rationality and Kenny in same sentence, unless if its against him. Kenny has been through the series the most irrational person. Making up his mind and never changing it, no matter who/how people talk with him.
Many people would have good reasons to disagree with you.
The whole fight scene started after Jane was pretending to almost cry and said "he's..."
After that Kenny went outside and after awhile, ca… moreme back inside, walking towards Jane looking hostile.
Jane dodges a punch from Kenny and Says "I didnt kill him, it was an accident Kenny" to which Kenny replies "bullshit"
She pulls the knife out after dodging the first punch and then says that she wont back down.
Kenny seems to calm down and she puts her knife away, and then Kenny charges. After choking her a bit, kenny falls to the ground after a punch from Jane, and he blocks all the punches from Jane while on the ground. Next, Jane falls to the ground and as Kenny is charging at her, so she takes her knife out and slashes Kenny. Kenny starts to back off to outside and Jane tells him to "just go" and Kenny replies "i aint going nowhere". After that she tries to slash Kenny again and kenny grabs her hand and throws her to the ground. Jane starts to … [view original content]
Christa and Clem were originally heading to Wellington.
Guess Kenny was suppose to sit there and not try to save them.
If Jane was already running to Clem, adding Kenny would have caused the ice to break more. And no duh, her plan is to get Clem, be pointless if she died.
You can choose not to steal, Jane takes the supplies anyway.
Both Jane and Kenny are guilty of bad priority.
I assume you were a dick to Kenny and never got his help because of it. The last thing any good family man'll be thinking about is some friendship after that person gets your family killed in front of you.
Yep, because someone who doesn't care always sacrifices their lives twice fir someone else. He's been trying to get everyone to safety since day one.
Arvo didn't help the situation at all, look, this argument is stupid, and it won't end until someone realizes, this shit is like religion, no one thinks the same and all see things differently, no one here arguing will ever agree to see eye to eye,
By that I mean I'm too tired and I'm going to sleep, and probably won't pick up on this argument tomorrow. XD
It's proven that Wellington exist if you go with Kenny
When Kenny decided to go look for wellington, and risk lives of the whole gro… moreup, they dont know for a fact that wellington exists, and you dont base your decision for being god, and knowing all the facts because you have already played through the game.
That's actually funny considering she thanks you if you reject them.
She trust Clementines judgment and thanks her because of making that call.
Walter dies no matter what, you can stop him from shooting, but Walter still die, Carver shoots him no matter what.
Walter dies because Kenny shoots one of carvers men, and Carver retaliates
Jane's only your friend if you the player wants her to be
Jane wants to be Clementines friend and she shows that she really cares about her (saving her from under ice, getting fire started to prevent her from freezing to death)
and got her into this mess i… [view original content]
she relied that Kennys twisted mind would think she killed him, before even letting her talk
It doesn't take a "twisted" mind to think that. We're talking about a natural parental/protector reaction (even though the baby was adopted). Of course he was going to be beyond furious.
Its like killing random man in your house, just because you thought your wife was having affair with him, before even asking whats going on. That is how Kenny behaved and by no means thats sane or right thing to do.
she relied that Kennys twisted mind would think she killed him, before even letting her talk. Kenny wouldnt even listen to Clementine and ju… morest shove her away. Before Jane even said a word about what really happened with the baby, Kenny was already throwing a punch.
Its like killing random man in your house, just because you thought your wife was having affair with him, before even asking whats going on. That is how Kenny behaved and by no means thats sane or right thing to do.
Christa and Clem were originally heading to Wellington.
Guess Kenny was suppose to sit there and not try to save them.
If Jane was already… more running to Clem, adding Kenny would have caused the ice to break more. And no duh, her plan is to get Clem, be pointless if she died.
You can choose not to steal, Jane takes the supplies anyway.
Both Jane and Kenny are guilty of bad priority.
I assume you were a dick to Kenny and never got his help because of it. The last thing any good family man'll be thinking about is some friendship after that person gets your family killed in front of you.
Yep, because someone who doesn't care always sacrifices their lives twice fir someone else. He's been trying to get everyone to safety since day one.
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Theres nothing wrong with my comparison... He tried to kill someone based on a fucking assumption. You dont do such extreme things if you arent 100% sure.
she relied that Kennys twisted mind would think she killed him, before even letting her talk
It doesn't take a "twisted" mind to thi… morenk that. We're talking about a natural parental/protector reaction (even though the baby was adopted). Of course he was going to be beyond furious.
Its like killing random man in your house, just because you thought your wife was having affair with him, before even asking whats going on. That is how Kenny behaved and by no means thats sane or right thing to do.
Apples-Oranges comparison.
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That was the plan. She let Kenny make his own assumption and he tried to kill her for no good reason, didnt even give her time to explain.
Jane killed random russian guy and got very emotional. How do you think she could kill a baby and not feel a thing?
Jane ditched her sister to die. What a nice person she was.
You don't know that Kenny was trying to kill her until the point that he was fighting for his life outside the building. Holding someone against the wall doesn't mean you're trying to kill them.
Yes he did. He was only walking around while she had the knife out. She gave her realllllly weak excuse of "It was an accident", and when Kenny called B.S., she completely refused to rationalize. She was not sincere. She was not apologetic. Instead she was threatening and insulting. She was purposely pushing him to fight.
Even after he pushed her to the wall, there was nothing preventing her from speaking even though she was in a tussle. After she slashes Kenny and he disengages from the fight, she had a perfect opportunity to speak. She had a perfect opportunity to tell him AJ was alive. Instead she tried to kill him, even though he wasn't even fighting her at that point.
She has done other immoral things and seemingly not cared. She has constantly brought up abandoning people. Remember what she did to Troy? Jane is no saint. There is plenty of reason to figure she abandoned the baby. Kenny didn't just feel this way for zero reason.
Honestly this doesn't even matter anyway. The point is that Jane purposely did nothing to rationalize, and it made her look all the more guilty.
She forced her sister to move through 4 states (pretty selfish if you ask me), until one day they had to jump from one roof to another and her sister just gave up. She explained how she had to force Jamie up everyday, even if she knew that Jamie wanted to just die. Doing a favor like that to someone you love is selfless.
blaming Jane for letting her sister die, is like blaming Kenny for letting Katjaa shoot herself.
Kenny didn't shoot Kaatja, argument invalid.
I wouldn't leave my brother to die even if he wanted to.
Plus Jane didn't even bring up the fact that her sister was possibly better off dead until she brought it up at the end of actually stating what happened. Sounded like she was just sick of her sister being a burden and had to look out for her own survival.
This isn't the only time Jane has abandoned someone, or advocated for abandoning someone. Heck, she brings up straight up abandoning Kenny even before she pulls her sick twisted agenda in an attempt to fight him.
The whole fight scene started after Jane was pretending to almost cry and said "he's..."
After that Kenny went outside and after awhile, came back inside, walking towards Jane looking hostile.
Jane dodges a punch from Kenny and Says "I didnt kill him, it was an accident Kenny" to which Kenny replies "bullshit"
She pulls the knife out after dodging the first punch and then says that she wont back down.
Kenny seems to calm down and she puts her knife away, and then Kenny charges. After choking her a bit, kenny falls to the ground after a punch from Jane, and he blocks all the punches from Jane while on the ground. Next, Jane falls to the ground and as Kenny is charging at her, so she takes her knife out and slashes Kenny. Kenny starts to back off to outside and Jane tells him to "just go" and Kenny replies "i aint going nowhere". After that she tries to slash Kenny again and kenny grabs her hand and throws her to the ground. Jane starts to do something with Kennys eye (no idea what to call that), and if Clem doesnt push her away, Kenny bites Janes finger. After that Kenny picks the knife and stabs Jane close to knee and right after that, he tries to stab her to the chest and slowly overpowers Jane, if Clem doesnt intervene.
We are aware of MANY immoral things Kenny has done, yet somehow they dont matter.
Troy probably raped Jane or something like that, considering how angry Jane was at him and how brutally she got him killed.
And come on... You cant honestly talk about rationality and Kenny in same sentence, unless if its against him. Kenny has been through the series the most irrational person. Making up his mind and never changing it, no matter who/how people talk with him.
She is talking about abandoning people, because if you want to survive, you might have to leave someone behind. The story about 4 people dying because of 1 guy who was under a car or something, clearly taught her that you cant and you shouldnt save all.
Katjaa, just like Jaimie, had a breaking point but for Jamie, Jane forced her to keep living for many months, until she couldnt save her on the roof and she had to let her go.
When Katjaa was going to lose her child, it was too much for her, so she killed herself.
i know there is no point reasoning with you, just like there is no point reasoning with Kenny in the game, so ill just give up on that. Cant keep up with the comments currently.
You can argue but the chance of me changing my mind is slim. Kenny is a hero and I will remember him that way.
I dont care if you believe that Kenny is a hero. Im just bored of people discrediting everything good Jane has done for Clem and the group and ignoring everything bad Kenny has done.
I don't discredit Jane, she did a lot of good and I acctually liked her a lot. But I really detest people who manipulate others and even if they got good qualities I'd want nothing to do with them.
Kenny is very hard to deal with if you disagree, but he is family to my Clem and you don't kill family.
Well Jane still didnt deserve to die for that.
Kenny however did, and even he admits that he wanted it. And even he admits that he did wrong.
No one really deserves to die.. So don't give me that crap.
Well considering the situation, Kenny deserved to die more than Jane. If there was an option, i would have just left Kenny behind (and give AJ to him so he has reason to live).
But Telltale loves to break peoples hearts and forced me to kill an old friend.
Jane deserved to die more for being a traitor/leaving people behind.
This is the part where I say "Kenny sure as hell didn't deserve to die more". I stand behind my family more than some random "nice" girl.
You dont have the absolute knowledge of Jane playing tricks on Kenny while you have to make the decision, so dont make yourself look stupid. She only left people behind who werent going to make it anyway.
But would you stay with your brother regardless of it meaning both of you dying instead of just your brother?
That's what Jane did. That's all she did. She didn't think "Finally I'm rid of that fucking sister". Jane broke down because of it. It became nigh-impossible for her to bond with others after that. The entire character arc for Jane was her growth from this broken girl, into a girl able to once again bond with and trust in others. That's why Jane was - to me - by far the most interesting, most sympathetic, and best character in season 2.
In a cold world how could you live without family? Maybe you can survive your own guilt. I couldn't.
Well like ive said before, Kenny fans base their choice on irrational factors (feelings and stuff).
I like to base my choices on objectivity and rationality/logic, and thats why i pick Jane. My worldview is cold and cynical, just like Janes, from your point of view.
Don't listen to them. Just shoot Kenny and ride into the sunset with Jane..
Dont compare Stranger to Arvo... Stranger lost his son to the woods, his wife and daughter later, because Kenny decided to steal their supplies form the car. If stangers behaviour isnt justified by loss of everything, then neither is Kennys reckless behaviour...
Like I've said before you can think what you want, but being rational doesn't make your choice right.
I got those events, and even after knowing this, I shot Kenny. Jane wouldn't lose the baby on purpose, so even if he died, I would choose Jane over Kenny. He said it himself : "what is it to life for (if the baby happened to die)".
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Survival was possible with both characters and at the time I liked them both equaly, but Kenny was broken and didn't feel like a reliable person. Jane has history, she is full of sorrow about her sister, but she is less messed up. Also I wish I could show Kenny that the baby was alive. (excuse my english I'm also French
Well like i've said before, i try to make my decision based on objectivity and rationality, which necessary isnt considered moral choice by everyone. I wouldnt even bother to talk about this if i was actually trying to defend my subjective moral values, because its just matter of opinion.
Some people think rape is wrong, some think rape is fault of rape victim. (not trying to imply that your choice is exremely wrong or anything)
Moral values just happen to be subjetive and there are no absolute moral values, only the ones we create and put them on use.
In the heat of the situation, if I had to choose, I really could never shoot Kenny.
At any rate, I would still choose Kenny on a logical point, why? because...
Safety - Kenny actually takes Clem and AJ to a safe place, Jane takes her back to a place that's been stormed down by a heard of walkers 3 times.
Survival - Kenny can raise Clem and AJ, he's had experience, he knows what mistakes NOT to make. Jane can teach Clem survival, but she sure can't raise her, Jane even offered alcohol to her, she's a bad influence, she knows what mistakes not to make, but makes them anyway.
They both have their ups and downs, but Jane made her decision to fuck with Kenny, none of that had to happen, at the same time, it was a test to see if Kenny would calm down or fight, of course, if someone started bashing my dead wife, child, and other loved ones, and then accidently kill one of the last things I had left for hope, I'd probably kill Jane too, but that's me.
Jane - Selfish bitch who really only cares about herself, can't let go of the past, basically Clem in her eyes is her sister, Jane put AJ in danger to prove a point, and in her ending she's willing to push away a starving family with a child, but, it's Clem's call, Jane can't oppose if she lets them in.
Kenny - A tired, tortured man who just wants something to hold hope, he cares more about Clem and AJ than himself, his past may haunt him into a time bomb if someone hurt what he cares for, but that's the thing, he cares about Clem, even after you choose the option the axe Sarita in the face, does Kenny try to kill or hurt you? No, he just gets really pissed off and goes into thought, still willing to actually speak to Clem.
I'm not saying Kenny's a saint, but comparing all the endings together, and thinking logically about both Clem's relationship with Kenny(if you made it good,) and AJ's survival, Kenny'd be the right choice.
Again, from anyone's view in the middle of the situation not knowing the other option, I can see why you'd shoot Kenny, I mean the game plays ominous music on almost every scene he had heading to that scene, the game tricks you into thinking Kenny's the worst option, makes him look like the bad guy at any given moment.
In the end, Kenny would sacrifice himself for Clem and AJ's survival, a place where they can actually sleep in peace, something Kenny had been wanting for a long time, but still gave it up for the kids. But it would really depend on your outcomes how you saw Kenny as a person, Kenny also wanted to be the one to raise Clem and AJ, so he could feel complete with his duty as a father, some how die knowing he could raise someone right, he's not planning to die anytime soon if you kept him alive and stayed with him.
If for some reason you saw the Kenny endings amd stayed against him anyway, I'm going to personally say you're crazy.
(Any typos mean I'm typing on a damn Wii U and couldn't care less to serch for 'em. Sorry for any invalid points, I'm too lazy to read over. •ω•)
This is exactly how I feel. It was really easy to shoot him, just die already or shut up. I found Omid, uncle Pete and Christa more likeable also Luke
First of all, they have no any factual evidence showing that wellington exists, and only a person with no rationality left in them would put all ther chips on such decision.
This "Jane is a selfish bitch" argument is getting pretty old, since she clearly shows multiple time that she isnt selfish and she genuinely cares about Clementine.
If you dont say anything, Jane lets the family in... Play the game and get your facts straight before you talk about it.
"he knows what mistakes NOT to make"
So much for learning from mistakes...
When Clementine falls under ice, Its Jane who goes to save her, risking her own life, while Kenny is just standing on shore and after they get inside, he is more interested in beating up Arvo than saving Clem from freezing to death. This is one of the reasons i sided with Jane. Kenny can get so angry that he doesnt even care about friends.
Yeah, I guess Arvo is probably worse than the stranger. He shot a little girl after all.
Arvo similar to Kenny... He also had no problem robbing other people. Kenny is like Arvo and Stranger combined. Broken and crazy, doesnt mind stealing from other people.
she relied that Kennys twisted mind would think she killed him, before even letting her talk. Kenny wouldnt even listen to Clementine and just shove her away. Before Jane even said a word about what really happened with the baby, Kenny was already throwing a punch.
Its like killing random man in your house, just because you thought your wife was having affair with him, before even asking whats going on. That is how Kenny behaved and by no means thats sane or right thing to do.
It's proven that Wellington exist if you go with Kenny.
Yeah, I'm sure it's normal to kill the friends of people you care about.
That's actually funny considering she thanks you if you reject them. Didn't know that though.
If you were paying attention, she provoked him into his rage, it wasn't assumption, it was pushing someone too far.
A mistake? Thanks to Ben 4 people died, that includes Kenny's wife and child, but if you'd be okay with someone's stupid idea getting your only children and love partner killed, fine, that's you.
Walter dies no matter what, you can stop him from shooting, but Walter still die, Carver shoots him no matter what.
So you'd be okay with your friend dying? You wouldn't want to kill Carver? You can stop Alvin from dying, but he dies later anyway, how about you play the game before arguing?
Again, Ben fucked up, and it's not until later Kennycuts him some slack once he knows what Ben's been through, this shows Kenny has sympathy.
Jane's only your friend if you the player wants her to be, Jane killed Clementine's friend (Kenny), and got her into this mess in the first place by stealing from Arvo.
Why do you think Kenny was beating up Arvo? Because of Arvo Clem almost died, because of Arvo, Luke killed, Luke, one of Clem's friends, so I'm pretty sure he was in the right place beating him up.
Doesn't care about friends? He lost his damn eye because he was caring about his friends, he's done a lot for Clementine's friends, who in the end treat him like crap, oh no Kenny doesn't trust the kid who just tried to rob them, kill them all, and saw Clem shoot his sister, Arvo must be so trustworthy, right? Oh wait, he steals all your supplies anyway, gets two of Clem's "friends" betray him, and then to top it off, shoots Clementine.
But apparently that puts Kenny in the wrong.
Jane is literally hitler.
When Kenny decided to go look for wellington, and risk lives of the whole group, they dont know for a fact that wellington exists, and you dont base your decision for being god, and knowing all the facts because you have already played through the game.
She trust Clementines judgment and thanks her because of making that call.
Walter dies because Kenny shoots one of carvers men, and Carver retaliates
Jane wants to be Clementines friend and she shows that she really cares about her (saving her from under ice, getting fire started to prevent her from freezing to death)
Doesnt matter if you steal from Arvo or dont, he will still try to rob your group, very much like Kenny stole from the Stranger, and ultimately caused Lee to die because of walker bite.
So, beating up someone who almost killed your friend, is more important than trying to save your friend from hypothermia?
He doesnt care about Clementines friends. He wants to leave ben behind, but Clementine says "we dont leave friends behind" Kenny doesnt care and he wants Lee to let Ben fall to his death. Same with Jane, Doesnt want to listen her explanation, just assumes she did something bad and tries to murder her even if Clem tries to calm him down
Yes, because Kenny behaves like dictator, and gets mad at Clem if she doesnt agree with him everytime, hell, he gets mad at ANYONE who doesnt agree with him on something.
Kenny caused Bonnie and Mike to betray them, because of his stubborn attitude
You make a lot of assumptions..
Of course hes going to say that. Who would buy that excuse? No one who thinks that their child has been murdered, that's for certain. Of course hes going to call B.S. Jane should have then actually tried to explain/ rationalize what happened. Instead she threatens him.. because of having her agenda to push.
He was never choking her at all. He was only holding her to the wall (just like he did to Mike in episode three). That would have been the stupidest way to choke someone ever. His arm wasn't even on her throat. It was on her collarbone. Listen to her in the scene. She isn't gasping for air, her speech is 100% unaffected. Telltale wasn't trying to show her getting choked there.
A.K.A. she escalated the situation with use of lethal force.
You're underselling that. You're missing the part where Jane sprints after him with a knife. Also, just to be clear, when Kenny says "I aint going anywhere", that doesn't mean he was wanting to continue the fight. Just meant that he wasn't going to be scared off.
You forgot the stab part. A slash and a stab. Not just a slash.
So basically what Jane did here was attack Kenny with clear lethal force even though he wasn't currently doing anything to try and hurt her. She didn't try to rationalize or end the fight, she didn't bother to tell him that AJ was still alive. She was just interested in trying to kill him.
Might as well call it trying to gouge out his eye. Not sure what else it would be. Did you see all the blood..?
Yep, right after Jane had made it very clear that she was out to kill him. Kenny was covered in his own blood.
Doesn't matter when just looking at who was right and who was wrong in this particular instance.
Many people would have good reasons to disagree with you.
https://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/79957/this-needs-to-be-said-kenny
I really don't want to get into that though, as it again does not have anything to do with who was right and who was wrong in this situation.
Oh, like a baby perhaps?
Christa and Clem were originally heading to Wellington.
Guess Kenny was suppose to sit there and not try to save them.
If Jane was already running to Clem, adding Kenny would have caused the ice to break more. And no duh, her plan is to get Clem, be pointless if she died.
You can choose not to steal, Jane takes the supplies anyway.
Both Jane and Kenny are guilty of bad priority.
I assume you were a dick to Kenny and never got his help because of it. The last thing any good family man'll be thinking about is some friendship after that person gets your family killed in front of you.
Yep, because someone who doesn't care always sacrifices their lives twice fir someone else. He's been trying to get everyone to safety since day one.
Arvo didn't help the situation at all, look, this argument is stupid, and it won't end until someone realizes, this shit is like religion, no one thinks the same and all see things differently, no one here arguing will ever agree to see eye to eye,
By that I mean I'm too tired and I'm going to sleep, and probably won't pick up on this argument tomorrow. XD
It doesn't take a "twisted" mind to think that. We're talking about a natural parental/protector reaction (even though the baby was adopted). Of course he was going to be beyond furious.
Apples-Oranges comparison.
First of all, its possible that Arvo leaves with everything he had(except the gun), if Clementine convinces her, but he will still rob you.
Kenny has let bunch of people die and he is all about revenge and asking sorry later.
Theres nothing wrong with my comparison... He tried to kill someone based on a fucking assumption. You dont do such extreme things if you arent 100% sure.