I mean that there shouldn't be oppression, and hate and stuff. The fact that people have to fight for equality is what makes me mad, I think that it should already be there. Sorry for the bad phrasing...
...you think human rights shouldn't be a big deal?
Ok wow, I didn't see that viewpoint coming.
Er, I'm not really sure how to respond to that, except to say that I think equal rights is a big deal.
I mean that there shouldn't be oppression, and hate and stuff. The fact that people have to fight for equality is what makes me mad, I think that it should already be there. Sorry for the bad phrasing...
As someone else stated im sure your a good person but you started this discussion any "hate" came because you started the back and forth.
This topic may be important however bringing it up will make this type of discussion happen. Furthermore again I believe people should be allowed to hold any beliefs about things they choose if they wish as long as they dont actually hurt someone else, disagreeing is fine but forcing people to change is not a good thing to do.
But if those opinions are hate speech, then fighting against them is justified.
In fact, your entire job description - upholding the foru… morem guidelines - revolves around the idea that hate speech should not be tolerated.
If everyone said 'let's agree to disagree' then society would never progress, would it?
Challenging opinions is extremely important.
...you think human rights shouldn't be a big deal?
Ok wow, I didn't see that viewpoint coming.
Er, I'm not really sure how to respond to that, except to say that I think equal rights is a big deal.
But if those opinions are hate speech,
As someone else stated im sure your a good person but you started this discussion any "hate" … morecame because you started the back and forth.
This topic may be important however bringing it up will make this type of discussion happen. Furthermore again I believe people should be allowed to hold any beliefs about things they choose if they wish as long as they dont actually hurt someone else, disagreeing is fine but forcing people to change is not a good thing to do.
I can change it: I've changed the minds of several people in my activism.
Dude, when people make light of Kenny's racism and when comments that believe in creationism get any likes at all, it's sure as hell not a left wing forum.
I was referencing you cant change your sexuality if that wasnt clear
Also its not left or right wing which is great honestly. (though i'd say if I'd have to most people lean towards left wing).
Isn't the telltale talk forum a place to bring up things we're interested in?
There is a difference, but that doesn't make it okay. Killi… moreng one person is less bad tyhan killing a hundred people, but we should still try to change those who will one.
I can change it: I've changed the minds of several people in my activism.
Dude, when people make light of Kenny's racism and when comments that believe in creationism get any likes at all, it's sure as hell not a left wing forum.
Besides, on a left wing forum you would be banned for hate speech like 'homosexuality is disguisting'
I think it's somewhat understandable that most people take the word in a way that is more technically correct to the particular definition that you have provided here. "Homophobia" can be defined as a fear of homosexuals, and it probably should be. Apparently you aren't meaning to use the word by this definition, and of course you are using a perfectly acceptable definition yourself. 'Just saying that I can understand why some people were thrown for a loop, as it wasn't immediately clear how you were intending to use the word.
Literally nobody talked about it, because nobody cared about who you were and what your thoughts are on homosexuality. You're creating a pro… moreblem which wasn't there before.
This. People with such agendas think that everybody reading their stuff has the following mindset :
"I have changed the minds of homophobes before, so it's not true that they'll never change."
if its on tumblr it doesnt count
"Your idea of what a forum is is extremely flawed."
erm k
"By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes."
yes the homphobes here are influencing society okay changing the people here wil change the world forever
"One does not have to be asked of their opinion in order to be allowed to make a thread. By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes."
telltale forums anti gay telling obama to ban homosexuality?? tonight at 11pm dont miss it
Again, dragging these things in here isn't healthy and it's not something you should be sharing anyway. That's basic internet safety rules. We were all having fun but now we are divided. There are lots of gay people here, apparently. I wasn't aware of that. I personally do not care, I still view them as people, but now? You teared us apart. Thanks for that.
I have changed the minds of homophobes before, so it's not true that they'll never change.
Your idea of what a forum is is extremely flaw… moreed.
One does not have to be asked of their opinion in order to be allowed to make a thread.
Before the Korra thread was made, for example, no-one talked about it, nobody cared which tv shows the maker of the thread liked, nor what his thoughts o nsaid tv shows were.
And thats ignoring the fact that there HAVE been several threads about homosexuality.
By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes.
Being told I am disgusting for something I cannot control is bullying.
It isn't on tumblr, it's in real life. I don't have tumblr.
Every little change helps. If I can convince one person to not be racist, then I'm going to do so.
It's not like you're fighting for world change, is it?
So you think that people who want to be treated equally are the problem? And that asking why people don't want them to be treated equally is a bad thing?
"I have changed the minds of homophobes before, so it's not true that they'll never change."
if its on tumblr it doesnt count
"Your id… moreea of what a forum is is extremely flawed."
erm k
"By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes."
yes the homphobes here are influencing society okay changing the people here wil change the world forever
"One does not have to be asked of their opinion in order to be allowed to make a thread. By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes."
telltale forums anti gay telling obama to ban homosexuality?? tonight at 11pm dont miss it
Again, dragging these things in here isn't healthy and it's not something you should be sharing anyway. That's basic internet safety rules. We were all having fun but now we are divided. There are lots of gay people here, apparently. I wasn't aware of that. I personally do n… [view original content]
In this particular context, considering that this is a video game message board, I'd prefer if you flag hate speech and let the mods handle … moreit. If they actively attack different opinions, we will try to act against it when it is brought to our attention if it warrants it. I personally do not approve of bigotry, but again considering the context, I feel that as long as both sides civilly discuss the issue and nobody feels unwelcome from the forums as a result, that civil discussion of both sides is tolerable. There is a difference between saying you disagree with something and attacking something.
There are exceptions, of course, and we try to look at the context of each case.
In this particular context, considering that this is a video game message board, I'd prefer if you flag hate speech and let the mods handle … moreit. If they actively attack different opinions, we will try to act against it when it is brought to our attention if it warrants it. I personally do not approve of bigotry, but again considering the context, I feel that as long as both sides civilly discuss the issue and nobody feels unwelcome from the forums as a result, that civil discussion of both sides is tolerable. There is a difference between saying you disagree with something and attacking something.
There are exceptions, of course, and we try to look at the context of each case.
In this particular context, considering that this is a video game message board, I'd prefer if you flag hate speech and let the mods handle … moreit. If they actively attack different opinions, we will try to act against it when it is brought to our attention if it warrants it. I personally do not approve of bigotry, but again considering the context, I feel that as long as both sides civilly discuss the issue and nobody feels unwelcome from the forums as a result, that civil discussion of both sides is tolerable. There is a difference between saying you disagree with something and attacking something.
There are exceptions, of course, and we try to look at the context of each case.
In this particular context, considering that this is a video game message board, I'd prefer if you flag hate speech and let the mods handle it. If they actively attack different opinions, we will try to act against it when it is brought to our attention if it warrants it. I personally do not approve of bigotry, but again considering the context, I feel that as long as both sides civilly discuss the issue and nobody feels unwelcome from the forums as a result, that civil discussion of both sides is tolerable. There is a difference between saying you disagree with something and attacking something.
There are exceptions, of course, and we try to look at the context of each case.
But if those opinions are hate speech, then fighting against them is justified.
In fact, your entire job description - upholding the foru… morem guidelines - revolves around the idea that hate speech should not be tolerated.
If everyone said 'let's agree to disagree' then society would never progress, would it?
Challenging opinions is extremely important.
In this particular context, considering that this is a video game message board, I'd prefer if you flag hate speech and let the mods handle … moreit. If they actively attack different opinions, we will try to act against it when it is brought to our attention if it warrants it. I personally do not approve of bigotry, but again considering the context, I feel that as long as both sides civilly discuss the issue and nobody feels unwelcome from the forums as a result, that civil discussion of both sides is tolerable. There is a difference between saying you disagree with something and attacking something.
There are exceptions, of course, and we try to look at the context of each case.
So it's my fault for other people saying that homosexuality is disgusting, and so I am the one who's broken the forum guidelines?
No.
I'm not forcing anyone to change, either. But in order for change to happen, discussions must be had.
"Fuck you (fuck you)
Fuck you very, very much
Cause we hate what you do
And we hate your whole crew
So please don't stay in touch"
The funny thing about these lyrics? Homophobes say the same thing.
It isn't on tumblr, it's in real life. I don't have tumblr.
Every little change helps. If I can convince one person to not be racist, the… moren I'm going to do so.
It's not like you're fighting for world change, is it?
So you think that people who want to be treated equally are the problem? And that asking why people don't want them to be treated equally is a bad thing?
Right.
To people on this thread saying you disapprove of homosexuality: yes you are a homophobe. That's the definition.
To the people telling me… more not to care what other people think: good advice. That's totally easy, to ignore being told you're evil.
Anyway, I shall try to care less about humanity.
Hence this video expresses my sentiment rather eloquently. (Shan't be replying any more, as I'm beginning to realise that I won't singlehandedly change the opinions of religious extremists, and that society is doing so for me, with the religions dying out).
So yeah, basically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV26OMSb_VQ&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUV26OMSb_VQ&has_verified=1
Bye.
Furthermore again I believe people should be allowed to hold any beliefs about things they choose if they wish as long as they dont actually hurt someone else, disagreeing is fine but forcing people to change is not a good thing to do.
That's the mindset I'm going into this with. Again, I strongly disapprove of bigotry, but I feel that censoring or punishing people for posting a different opinion doesn't allow for good discussion. If hate speech is posted, flag it and us moderators will handle it.
But if those opinions are hate speech,
As someone else stated im sure your a good person but you started this discussion any "hate" … morecame because you started the back and forth.
This topic may be important however bringing it up will make this type of discussion happen. Furthermore again I believe people should be allowed to hold any beliefs about things they choose if they wish as long as they dont actually hurt someone else, disagreeing is fine but forcing people to change is not a good thing to do.
So it's my fault for other people saying that homosexuality is disgusting, and so I am the one who's broken the forum guidelines?
Putting words in my mouth again, twisting words isnt a good way to hold an argument. Again if people disprove while I and others disagree I respect that they feel that way and hope they can change with time but as long as they dont outright do anything then I find it hard ti care what others think of me.
I'm not forcing anyone to change, either. But in order for change to happen, discussions must be had.
You labelling something as abhorrent and trashing anyone who doesnt automatically agree with you is kind of forcing
Ultimately if you want my overall attitude. The world is flawed , humans are flawed and rather than striving for perfection we will never achieve we can celebrate as close as we can get. People will never get along alltogether but we can celebrate the steps we've taken compare us to say the middle east where people are decapitated is the west perfect shit no but its pretty damn good. You and others can be who you want to be.
Lastly, please dont assume all this means me and everyone else is against you because we aren't. I'm just answering your topic with my opinion. You seem passionate which is a good thing to be however understand there is a time and place yeah? Here is fine but there isnt really a need to bring it up in random threads all the time
So it's my fault for other people saying that homosexuality is disgusting, and so I am the one who's broken the forum guidelines?
No.
I'm not forcing anyone to change, either. But in order for change to happen, discussions must be had.
Furthermore again I believe people should be allowed to hold any beliefs about things they choose if they wish as long as they dont actually… more hurt someone else, disagreeing is fine but forcing people to change is not a good thing to do.
That's the mindset I'm going into this with. Again, I strongly disapprove of bigotry, but I feel that censoring or punishing people for posting a different opinion doesn't allow for good discussion. If hate speech is posted, flag it and us moderators will handle it.
This is really getting out of hand. Flog I suggest talking to someone about this in real life instead of writing it here since there are many people on this forum with viewpoints you couldn't possibly change. (And you shouldn't even try because everyone has their own opinon.)
You said that the hate speech is my fault for starting the discussion. Quoted above.
...no, that isn't forcing. Forcing you to change would be sending you to an indoctrination camp where people try to medically alter who you are. Me thinking that racism, for example, is really bad doesn't 'force' racists to change.
Society over the last 100 years has proven that fighting for acceptance DOES work. There is less sexism, racism and homophobia in the world now than there was 200 years ago.
So it's my fault for other people saying that homosexuality is disgusting, and so I am the one who's broken the forum guidelines?
Pu… moretting words in my mouth again, twisting words isnt a good way to hold an argument. Again if people disprove while I and others disagree I respect that they feel that way and hope they can change with time but as long as they dont outright do anything then I find it hard ti care what others think of me.
I'm not forcing anyone to change, either. But in order for change to happen, discussions must be had.
You labelling something as abhorrent and trashing anyone who doesnt automatically agree with you is kind of forcing
Ultimately if you want my overall attitude. The world is flawed , humans are flawed and rather than striving for perfection we will never achieve we can celebrate as close as we can get. People will never get along alltogether but we can celebrate the steps we've taken compare… [view original content]
If threads like this irrecoverably tear apart the forums, then we would have already been torn apart, because threads like it exist.
And my original post isn't offensive: it's asking people who are homophobic to watch one video.
And people commented on it saying 'homosexuality is disgusting'.
If I have been damaging, then I apologise, but I'm not the only person doing so, and yet you haven't told off the people saying that I'm disgusting. All you've done is attack me personally.
If there's a thread "what do you think of homosexuality?" then fine. People might have been a bit more civil. if there's a thread titled "To… more our resident homophobes" with a post that has a song telling them to go fuck themselves, what does tell me? Shitstorm sighted, captain!
If there's a thread "what do you think of homosexuality?" then fine. People might have been a bit more civil. if there's a thread titled "To our resident homophobes" with a post that has a song telling them to go fuck themselves, what does tell me? Shitstorm sighted, captain!
Saying 'fuck you for having this opinion' is perfectly fine.
Saying 'fuck you for being black' or 'fuck you for being gay' isn't. because people choose to be homophobic, and people do not choose to be black or gay.
"Fuck you (fuck you)
Fuck you very, very much
Cause we hate what you do
And we hate your whole crew
So please don't stay in touch"
The funny thing about these lyrics? Homophobes say the same thing.
Sorry about that, I just now got around to flagging some of the comments. The forums are really busy today and things are happening left and right. Each moderator has their own ways of handling bans. With this topic, I personally will choose to save bans for either harassment of another user for their lifestyle and/or notable hate speech.
Just because your offended doesnt mean your right and it doesn't make the other person wrong. I dont consider anything here hate speech. I dont really agree with any of the comments made I'm assuming your referring to but they are written civilly etc.
if it was a ton of "go die fag" posts i'd understand and to be honest mods have removed those in the past
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I was told that I shouldn't care what others think.
Oh my god what?
He killed himself BECAUSE people told him it was weird!!
That is literally what you're doing now!
Can I say? You're not helping?
I mean that there shouldn't be oppression, and hate and stuff. The fact that people have to fight for equality is what makes me mad, I think that it should already be there. Sorry for the bad phrasing...![:\](https://community.telltalegames.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Oh right, yes they should.
But they aren't agreed upon, which is why we must argue: to make them so.
Gee, that's not nice.
It is sad, but we have to deal with it, and I'm doing my best to change their minds.
As someone else stated im sure your a good person but you started this discussion any "hate" came because you started the back and forth.
This topic may be important however bringing it up will make this type of discussion happen. Furthermore again I believe people should be allowed to hold any beliefs about things they choose if they wish as long as they dont actually hurt someone else, disagreeing is fine but forcing people to change is not a good thing to do.
He's saying that human rights arguments should not something argued on, since everyone should have them.
So it's my fault for other people saying that homosexuality is disgusting, and so I am the one who's broken the forum guidelines?
No.
I'm not forcing anyone to change, either. But in order for change to happen, discussions must be had.
I was referencing you cant change your sexuality if that wasnt clear
Also its not left or right wing which is great honestly. (though i'd say if I'd have to most people lean towards left wing).
I think it's somewhat understandable that most people take the word in a way that is more technically correct to the particular definition that you have provided here. "Homophobia" can be defined as a fear of homosexuals, and it probably should be. Apparently you aren't meaning to use the word by this definition, and of course you are using a perfectly acceptable definition yourself. 'Just saying that I can understand why some people were thrown for a loop, as it wasn't immediately clear how you were intending to use the word.
Then why did you bother commenting on this, if you don't give a shit?
"I have changed the minds of homophobes before, so it's not true that they'll never change."
if its on tumblr it doesnt count
"Your idea of what a forum is is extremely flawed."
erm k
"By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes."
yes the homphobes here are influencing society okay changing the people here wil change the world forever
"One does not have to be asked of their opinion in order to be allowed to make a thread. By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes."
telltale forums anti gay telling obama to ban homosexuality?? tonight at 11pm dont miss it
Again, dragging these things in here isn't healthy and it's not something you should be sharing anyway. That's basic internet safety rules. We were all having fun but now we are divided. There are lots of gay people here, apparently. I wasn't aware of that. I personally do not care, I still view them as people, but now? You teared us apart. Thanks for that.
Do you not get it? You're part of the problem.
It isn't on tumblr, it's in real life. I don't have tumblr.
Every little change helps. If I can convince one person to not be racist, then I'm going to do so.
It's not like you're fighting for world change, is it?
So you think that people who want to be treated equally are the problem? And that asking why people don't want them to be treated equally is a bad thing?
Right.
I did flag the hate speech, and the comments are still there.
No. It's my option of what I think about homosexuality . I would't go so far as to single out the person and tease,insult,and torment them.
I did flag the hate speech, and the comment that homosexuality is 'disgusting and abnormal' is still there.
I did flag the comments: theyre still there.
In this particular context, considering that this is a video game message board, I'd prefer if you flag hate speech and let the mods handle it. If they actively attack different opinions, we will try to act against it when it is brought to our attention if it warrants it. I personally do not approve of bigotry, but again considering the context, I feel that as long as both sides civilly discuss the issue and nobody feels unwelcome from the forums as a result, that civil discussion of both sides is tolerable. There is a difference between saying you disagree with something and attacking something.
There are exceptions, of course, and we try to look at the context of each case.
I did flag the comments. They have not been removed, and their makers have not been banned.
Nobody said you were breaking the forum guidelines.
But homophobes dislike homosexuals for things they didn't choose.
People dislike homophobes for choosing to have discriminatory views.
We WERE treated equally. By pointing out our differences you have destroyed this.
"Fuck you (fuck you)
Fuck you very, very much
Cause we hate what you do
And we hate your whole crew
So please don't stay in touch"
The funny thing about these lyrics? Homophobes say the same thing.
Sorry, do you think I'm the only person who's ever made a thread about homosexuality on the forums?
Ahaha.
That's the mindset I'm going into this with. Again, I strongly disapprove of bigotry, but I feel that censoring or punishing people for posting a different opinion doesn't allow for good discussion. If hate speech is posted, flag it and us moderators will handle it.
Putting words in my mouth again, twisting words isnt a good way to hold an argument. Again if people disprove while I and others disagree I respect that they feel that way and hope they can change with time but as long as they dont outright do anything then I find it hard ti care what others think of me.
You labelling something as abhorrent and trashing anyone who doesnt automatically agree with you is kind of forcing
Ultimately if you want my overall attitude. The world is flawed , humans are flawed and rather than striving for perfection we will never achieve we can celebrate as close as we can get. People will never get along alltogether but we can celebrate the steps we've taken compare us to say the middle east where people are decapitated is the west perfect shit no but its pretty damn good. You and others can be who you want to be.
Lastly, please dont assume all this means me and everyone else is against you because we aren't. I'm just answering your topic with my opinion. You seem passionate which is a good thing to be however understand there is a time and place yeah? Here is fine but there isnt really a need to bring it up in random threads all the time
But opinions can hurt people, so that entire concept is fundamentally flawed.
This is really getting out of hand. Flog I suggest talking to someone about this in real life instead of writing it here since there are many people on this forum with viewpoints you couldn't possibly change. (And you shouldn't even try because everyone has their own opinon.)
You said that the hate speech is my fault for starting the discussion. Quoted above.
...no, that isn't forcing. Forcing you to change would be sending you to an indoctrination camp where people try to medically alter who you are. Me thinking that racism, for example, is really bad doesn't 'force' racists to change.
Society over the last 100 years has proven that fighting for acceptance DOES work. There is less sexism, racism and homophobia in the world now than there was 200 years ago.
If threads like this irrecoverably tear apart the forums, then we would have already been torn apart, because threads like it exist.
And my original post isn't offensive: it's asking people who are homophobic to watch one video.
And people commented on it saying 'homosexuality is disgusting'.
If I have been damaging, then I apologise, but I'm not the only person doing so, and yet you haven't told off the people saying that I'm disgusting. All you've done is attack me personally.
If there's a thread "what do you think of homosexuality?" then fine. People might have been a bit more civil. if there's a thread titled "To our resident homophobes" with a post that has a song telling them to go fuck themselves, what does tell me? Shitstorm sighted, captain!
J-Master ......just log off
....are you serious?
Saying 'fuck you for having this opinion' is perfectly fine.
Saying 'fuck you for being black' or 'fuck you for being gay' isn't. because people choose to be homophobic, and people do not choose to be black or gay.
Sorry about that, I just now got around to flagging some of the comments. The forums are really busy today and things are happening left and right. Each moderator has their own ways of handling bans. With this topic, I personally will choose to save bans for either harassment of another user for their lifestyle and/or notable hate speech.
Purely in the sense of comments
Just because your offended doesnt mean your right and it doesn't make the other person wrong. I dont consider anything here hate speech. I dont really agree with any of the comments made I'm assuming your referring to but they are written civilly etc.
if it was a ton of "go die fag" posts i'd understand and to be honest mods have removed those in the past