My original post asks people who have negative views of homosexuality to watch a video. That's it.
Then people commented that it is disgusting.
I acknowledge that me starting it is going to be controversial, but you've only decided to chastise me, and not the people who are actually saying it's disgusting and turning the discussion far more unpleasant than it needed to be based on my original post.
Which shows to me that your problem is with me and my views, and not actually arguments full stop. otherwise you would say the things you've said to me to those calling me disgusting.
If there's a thread "what do you think of homosexuality?" then fine. People might have been a bit more civil. if there's a thread titled "To… more our resident homophobes" with a post that has a song telling them to go fuck themselves, what does tell me? Shitstorm sighted, captain!
If a guy disagrees with my sexuality BUT he treats me like he treats everyone else, then It's okay. If people respect me, I'll respect their opinion, as long as they don't try to change me
Well then you're in luck ,as a poster on the first page (also telling users who disagree with them to 'log off') said that homosexuality is 'disgusting and abnormal', which is both harassment and notable hate speech
Sorry about that, I just now got around to flagging some of the comments. The forums are really busy today and things are happening left and… more right. Each moderator has their own ways of handling bans. With this topic, I personally will choose to save bans for either harassment of another user for their lifestyle and/or notable hate speech.
This is really getting out of hand. Flog I suggest talking to someone about this in real life instead of writing it here since there are man… morey people on this forum with viewpoints you couldn't possibly change. (And you shouldn't even try because everyone has their own opinon.)
Purely in the sense of comments
Just because your offended doesnt mean your right and it doesn't make the other person wrong. I dont cons… moreider anything here hate speech. I dont really agree with any of the comments made I'm assuming your referring to but they are written civilly etc.
if it was a ton of "go die fag" posts i'd understand and to be honest mods have removed those in the past
Did you know some people like are raised in homophobic families meaning it's really hard to change their beliefs?? "DEY CANT HELP IT!!"
Yes, it's wrong for people to tell a whole group to go fuck themselves based one shared trait. You know what could have made things better? Taking the high road.
....are you serious?
Saying 'fuck you for having this opinion' is perfectly fine.
Saying 'fuck you for being black' or 'fuck you for being gay' isn't. because people choose to be homophobic, and people do not choose to be black or gay.
It's hard, but society relies on people being accountable for their actions regardless of how they grew up.
For example, if someone steals because their childhood has made them a kleptomaniac, they still need to face justice and their views should try to be changed, for the good of society.
If it was impossible for people who grew up in racist families, for example, to change their minds, then society woudl be the same now as it was 2000 years ago with regard to race.
I took the high road to begin with and discussed it with them, but I was told I shouldn't care what they think and so shouldn't argue.
Did you know some people like are raised in homophobic families meaning it's really hard to change their beliefs?? "DEY CANT HELP IT!!"
Y… morees, it's wrong for people to tell a whole group to go fuck themselves based one shared trait. You know what could have made things better? Taking the high road.
Well, if I can say this, those religious extremists wouldn't come near our church, and if you want to know something interesting, my old youth pastor fully welcomed a homosexual into the church, and was proud of him for coming out of the closet to him.
I legitimately think extremists exist on all sides, but you know, the stereotypical crazy, human burning idiot, psychopath is just uncomfortable to hear from atheists and some gay people, not accusing you of being one nor am I saying the video isn't true in some cases, I just think atheists and some others need to understand that not all Christians are monsters, same thing goes for Christians calling atheist monsters as well.
If someone says 'homosexuality is disgusting' then they believe that homosexuals are at least partly disgusting because they hold homosexulaity within them.
If a guy disagrees with my sexuality BUT he treats me like he treats everyone else, then It's okay. If people respect me, I'll respect their opinion, as long as they don't try to change me
Its not just gays that get shit from people, it can be other forms of discrimination, to other social groups. I don't know why this is really anything that needs to be discussed, its so much worse with other groups.
To people on this thread saying you disapprove of homosexuality: yes you are a homophobe. That's the definition.
To the people telling me… more not to care what other people think: good advice. That's totally easy, to ignore being told you're evil.
Anyway, I shall try to care less about humanity.
Hence this video expresses my sentiment rather eloquently. (Shan't be replying any more, as I'm beginning to realise that I won't singlehandedly change the opinions of religious extremists, and that society is doing so for me, with the religions dying out).
So yeah, basically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV26OMSb_VQ&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUV26OMSb_VQ&has_verified=1
Bye.
This is all your doing ...
I bet you do this everywhere you go. You self hate and post pointless threads on sites that have social forums.
You're trolling ...
Then why post the video? Spreading more hate isn't going to accomplish anything. You don't fight fire with fire. It's not progressive.
Wait a second, you posted it when you were told not to care about what they think? Does that count as harassment nowadays? That's what I've been trying to tell you this entire time! You know why nobody cared about whether users were homophobic or not? It's because nobody cared about whether they were homophobic or not! Just like how the homophobic people didn't care about the fact that there were gay people in here!
It's hard, but society relies on people being accountable for their actions regardless of how they grew up.
For example, if someone steal… mores because their childhood has made them a kleptomaniac, they still need to face justice and their views should try to be changed, for the good of society.
If it was impossible for people who grew up in racist families, for example, to change their minds, then society woudl be the same now as it was 2000 years ago with regard to race.
I took the high road to begin with and discussed it with them, but I was told I shouldn't care what they think and so shouldn't argue.
Homophobia is awful. Sexism is awful. Racism is awful. All those -isms and phobias against other people that are different is everything but good.
How can you hate someone for who they are (they're homosexuals or other sex or other color or other country,etc) instead of hating people who [do or want to] hurt others?
Most people won't be persuaded by a song. I don't judge people on who they are, what I do mind is them forcing ideas or ideologies onto others just like what you're doing. As long as nobody is harmed, they're free to do whatever they want. I didn't feel the need to respond to people who are actually homophobic, because they already got a lot of flack for it.
My original post asks people who have negative views of homosexuality to watch a video. That's it.
Then people commented that it is disgu… moresting.
I acknowledge that me starting it is going to be controversial, but you've only decided to chastise me, and not the people who are actually saying it's disgusting and turning the discussion far more unpleasant than it needed to be based on my original post.
Which shows to me that your problem is with me and my views, and not actually arguments full stop. otherwise you would say the things you've said to me to those calling me disgusting.
People need to respect other people's beliefs more instead of criticizing them, Personally, I don't understand how anyone can be attracted to a member of their own sex, But I respect their choice, A key thing is that many might not understand what it's about and they''re afraid of different beliefs so they gang up on others, People need to be educated,That's a key to reducing violence in the future.
I'm Bisexual, and my best friend is a Lesbian. It's hard, believe me. I fully believe in religion - I'm a Christian, and I have been my entire life. It's hard because, where I am, people are either threatening to kill you or rape you, or people are pretending to be various sexualities that aren't heterosexual for attention, which is quite rude to us. It sucks.
Everyday, sometimes more than once a day, I pray to God. I get down on my knees and beg for forgiveness for stupid things I've done, I thank Him for things I have, because I know my life could be so much worse. I could be a Lesbian. I could be Trans. Then again, half of the world seems to be convinced that Bisexuality is always being in denial about being gay/trying to be a straight special snowflake. It really sucks, and to have people who come after us because who we love is the same gender doesn't help us.
If you're homophobic, I won't be rude to you. That doesn't help at all. But don't be rude to me because I like both genders. Thanks.
I'm Bisexual, and my best friend is a Lesbian. It's hard, believe me. I fully believe in religion - I'm a Christian, and I have been my enti… morere life. It's hard because, where I am, people are either threatening to kill you or rape you, or people are pretending to be various sexualities that aren't heterosexual for attention, which is quite rude to us. It sucks.
Everyday, sometimes more than once a day, I pray to God. I get down on my knees and beg for forgiveness for stupid things I've done, I thank Him for things I have, because I know my life could be so much worse. I could be a Lesbian. I could be Trans. Then again, half of the world seems to be convinced that Bisexuality is always being in denial about being gay/trying to be a straight special snowflake. It really sucks, and to have people who come after us because who we love is the same gender doesn't help us.
If you're homophobic, I won't be rude to you. That doesn't help at all. But don't be rude to me because I like both genders. Thanks.
This is all your doing ...
I bet you do this everywhere you go. You self hate and post pointless threads on sites that have social forums.
You're trolling ...
Alright, I just got around to watching the video. Are you actually of the mind that people having a difference of opinion over the acceptance of various sexualities is akin to the mentality displayed by the hate mob in that video? It seems odd to me how you're so protective and defensive of your own opinion on this issue and yet so quick to generalize anything opposing it. I can understand you being upset with people who aren't on-board with your lifestyle, but to accuse them of making you feel like you're under some sort of malicious hate attack is not very reasonable, and truthfully it can be seen kind of offensive in of itself.
So all in all I'm not entirely sure what your purpose is here. I'm not sure if you're legitimately looking to debate over the acceptance of homosexuality or looking to just ask people to conform to your opinion because anything that doesn't coincide with yours makes you feel bad. I suppose that I should clarify that I am by no means content with you feeling bad, but such a thing by itself is not going to be enough to cause someone to change what they believe to be right. People can disagree with your opinion on this matter and still not think any less of you as a person. I for one would treat you no differently than I would any other person in the world.
show me the prove what Science says about it then I'll probably change my opinion. Without proof to back up your claim then it's false. I backed my claim up. Just watch the Jerry Springer show.
I really hate to do this, considering my usual interactions with Flog... but, whatever.
You're asking Flog for scientific proof that homosexuality isn't a choice, while relying on a backward book written by backward desert people who claimed it's the word of their (and subsequently, your) God? Also, shows can be staged, and even if they are not staged, the girl you've talked about likely was bisexual, but didn't realize it yet. This whole notion of "converting" people to homosexuality sounds ridiculous, as well. You can't "convert" a person's sexuality to your own, otherwise there would've been examples of it. I once saw a video about some guy being "cured" of his homosexuality, as in, he prayed to Jesus, and he supposedly stopped being gay, but, frankly, I call "bullshit" on that one.
show me the prove what Science says about it then I'll probably change my opinion. Without proof to back up your claim then it's false. I backed my claim up. Just watch the Jerry Springer show.
Alright, I just got around to watching the video. Are you actually of the mind that people having a difference of opinion over the acceptanc… moree of various sexualities is akin to the mentality displayed by the hate mob in that video? It seems odd to me how you're so protective and defensive of your own opinion on this issue and yet so quick to generalize anything opposing it. I can understand you being upset with people who aren't on-board with your lifestyle, but to accuse them of making you feel like you're under some sort of malicious hate attack is not very reasonable, and truthfully it can be seen kind of offensive in of itself.
So all in all I'm not entirely sure what your purpose is here. I'm not sure if you're legitimately looking to debate over the acceptance of homosexuality or looking to just ask people to conform to your opinion because anything that doesn't coincide with yours makes you feel bad. I suppose that I should clarify t… [view original content]
I think the OP's intention was to show how difficult and painful it is when people say that what they are is wrong. Not what they do, but what they ARE. How would you like it if someone told you that you were inferior or evil because of where you live? Or who you like? It's torture to do that to somebody, and I think what the OP was trying to do was say "This is how it feels inside for us."
Alright, I just got around to watching the video. Are you actually of the mind that people having a difference of opinion over the acceptanc… moree of various sexualities is akin to the mentality displayed by the hate mob in that video? It seems odd to me how you're so protective and defensive of your own opinion on this issue and yet so quick to generalize anything opposing it. I can understand you being upset with people who aren't on-board with your lifestyle, but to accuse them of making you feel like you're under some sort of malicious hate attack is not very reasonable, and truthfully it can be seen kind of offensive in of itself.
So all in all I'm not entirely sure what your purpose is here. I'm not sure if you're legitimately looking to debate over the acceptance of homosexuality or looking to just ask people to conform to your opinion because anything that doesn't coincide with yours makes you feel bad. I suppose that I should clarify t… [view original content]
Did you really have to title the thread in such a passive aggressive manner? Don't get me wrong, Hozier is one of my favorite artists and I like this song, but in what way does it benefit you or your cause to call out the "resident homophobes"? People aren't going to change their opinions just because you "feel dread for them" due to said opinions, which when you put it that way sounds incredibly condescending. It honestly just looks like you're trying to start a fight here and nothing else.
Well this applies mostly to teenagers worldwide, because there's lots of young people in school who will have sex whether their parents approve or not. And quite a few won't take the proper precautions to avoid pregnancy, and you only need to look at China to see how much of a problem that can be. So if just a portion of those people who don't use protection are gay, then that means less of a population issue for us later. Over here in Australia, where homophobia is rarely taken seriously by people, the rate of teen mothers was lowest in a decade last year. That's what I meant.
If more and more people aren't having kids, or at least not having as many, then that will help many countries like China that suffer from overpopulation
Homosexuals aren't the solution to this my friend. For every one homosexual, there is 100+ straight people. Populations decline over time, and China will eventually experience this. If it doesn't, there is always more draconian options, but I don't want to open a can of worms so....
The gay woman did not pressure the straight woman into being gay, if the way you write it is true. She became gay because she felt love for … morethe woman. The woman could have said no, and the gay woman would not have gotten away with pressuring her ON TV. Secondly, even if more people become gay, that's not even a bad thing. If more and more people aren't having kids, or at least not having as many, then that will help many countries like China that suffer from overpopulation. The truth is, homosexuality is doing more good to our society than it is doing harm, if it is doing any harm at all. So who cares if it's a choice or not?
If more and more people aren't having kids, or at least not having as many, then that will help many countries like China that suffer from o… moreverpopulation
Homosexuals aren't the solution to this my friend. For every one homosexual, there is 100+ straight people. Populations decline over time, and China will eventually experience this. If it doesn't, there is always more draconian options, but I don't want to open a can of worms so....
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My original post asks people who have negative views of homosexuality to watch a video. That's it.
Then people commented that it is disgusting.
I acknowledge that me starting it is going to be controversial, but you've only decided to chastise me, and not the people who are actually saying it's disgusting and turning the discussion far more unpleasant than it needed to be based on my original post.
Which shows to me that your problem is with me and my views, and not actually arguments full stop. otherwise you would say the things you've said to me to those calling me disgusting.
If a guy disagrees with my sexuality BUT he treats me like he treats everyone else, then It's okay. If people respect me, I'll respect their opinion, as long as they don't try to change me
Well then you're in luck ,as a poster on the first page (also telling users who disagree with them to 'log off') said that homosexuality is 'disgusting and abnormal', which is both harassment and notable hate speech
I do argue with racists etc. in real life. No harm in trying to make people more accepting online too.
gais pls dis is getting out of hand, just enjoy my christmas spirit pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihW56Xa3XGQ
if you don't consider 'homosexuality is disgusting and abnormal' hate speech then I think that's absurd.
Did you know some people like are raised in homophobic families meaning it's really hard to change their beliefs?? "DEY CANT HELP IT!!"
Yes, it's wrong for people to tell a whole group to go fuck themselves based one shared trait. You know what could have made things better? Taking the high road.
It's hard, but society relies on people being accountable for their actions regardless of how they grew up.
For example, if someone steals because their childhood has made them a kleptomaniac, they still need to face justice and their views should try to be changed, for the good of society.
If it was impossible for people who grew up in racist families, for example, to change their minds, then society woudl be the same now as it was 2000 years ago with regard to race.
I took the high road to begin with and discussed it with them, but I was told I shouldn't care what they think and so shouldn't argue.
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Well, if I can say this, those religious extremists wouldn't come near our church, and if you want to know something interesting, my old youth pastor fully welcomed a homosexual into the church, and was proud of him for coming out of the closet to him.
I legitimately think extremists exist on all sides, but you know, the stereotypical crazy, human burning idiot, psychopath is just uncomfortable to hear from atheists and some gay people, not accusing you of being one nor am I saying the video isn't true in some cases, I just think atheists and some others need to understand that not all Christians are monsters, same thing goes for Christians calling atheist monsters as well.
Pfft, says the person who on the first page said 'homosexuality is disgusting and abnormal'.
Good to see hypocrisy still rampant.
If someone says 'homosexuality is disgusting' then they believe that homosexuals are at least partly disgusting because they hold homosexulaity within them.
Believing you are disgusting isn't respect.
Its not just gays that get shit from people, it can be other forms of discrimination, to other social groups. I don't know why this is really anything that needs to be discussed, its so much worse with other groups.
You're overreacting to this... This happens to everyone, every being on this planet is discriminated against, stop acting like you're special.
This is all your doing ...
I bet you do this everywhere you go. You self hate and post pointless threads on sites that have social forums.
You're trolling ...
Then why post the video? Spreading more hate isn't going to accomplish anything. You don't fight fire with fire. It's not progressive.
Wait a second, you posted it when you were told not to care about what they think? Does that count as harassment nowadays? That's what I've been trying to tell you this entire time! You know why nobody cared about whether users were homophobic or not? It's because nobody cared about whether they were homophobic or not! Just like how the homophobic people didn't care about the fact that there were gay people in here!
Homophobia is awful. Sexism is awful. Racism is awful. All those -isms and phobias against other people that are different is everything but good.
How can you hate someone for who they are (they're homosexuals or other sex or other color or other country,etc) instead of hating people who [do or want to] hurt others?
Most people won't be persuaded by a song. I don't judge people on who they are, what I do mind is them forcing ideas or ideologies onto others just like what you're doing. As long as nobody is harmed, they're free to do whatever they want. I didn't feel the need to respond to people who are actually homophobic, because they already got a lot of flack for it.
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People need to respect other people's beliefs more instead of criticizing them, Personally, I don't understand how anyone can be attracted to a member of their own sex, But I respect their choice, A key thing is that many might not understand what it's about and they''re afraid of different beliefs so they gang up on others, People need to be educated,That's a key to reducing violence in the future.
I'm Bisexual, and my best friend is a Lesbian. It's hard, believe me. I fully believe in religion - I'm a Christian, and I have been my entire life. It's hard because, where I am, people are either threatening to kill you or rape you, or people are pretending to be various sexualities that aren't heterosexual for attention, which is quite rude to us. It sucks.
Everyday, sometimes more than once a day, I pray to God. I get down on my knees and beg for forgiveness for stupid things I've done, I thank Him for things I have, because I know my life could be so much worse. I could be a Lesbian. I could be Trans. Then again, half of the world seems to be convinced that Bisexuality is always being in denial about being gay/trying to be a straight special snowflake. It really sucks, and to have people who come after us because who we love is the same gender doesn't help us.
If you're homophobic, I won't be rude to you. That doesn't help at all. But don't be rude to me because I like both genders. Thanks.
You, you got guts man. I respect that, and you.
Thank god you're banned. So fucking toxic.
Because it's Clem_Is_Awesome. He and Flog61 are as close to mortal enemies as you can get. He enjoys attacking his threads.
Looks like you want to be banned too.
Thanks.
Banned.
Alright, I just got around to watching the video. Are you actually of the mind that people having a difference of opinion over the acceptance of various sexualities is akin to the mentality displayed by the hate mob in that video? It seems odd to me how you're so protective and defensive of your own opinion on this issue and yet so quick to generalize anything opposing it. I can understand you being upset with people who aren't on-board with your lifestyle, but to accuse them of making you feel like you're under some sort of malicious hate attack is not very reasonable, and truthfully it can be seen kind of offensive in of itself.
So all in all I'm not entirely sure what your purpose is here. I'm not sure if you're legitimately looking to debate over the acceptance of homosexuality or looking to just ask people to conform to your opinion because anything that doesn't coincide with yours makes you feel bad. I suppose that I should clarify that I am by no means content with you feeling bad, but such a thing by itself is not going to be enough to cause someone to change what they believe to be right. People can disagree with your opinion on this matter and still not think any less of you as a person. I for one would treat you no differently than I would any other person in the world.
show me the prove what Science says about it then I'll probably change my opinion. Without proof to back up your claim then it's false. I backed my claim up. Just watch the Jerry Springer show.
I really hate to do this, considering my usual interactions with Flog... but, whatever.
You're asking Flog for scientific proof that homosexuality isn't a choice, while relying on a backward book written by backward desert people who claimed it's the word of their (and subsequently, your) God? Also, shows can be staged, and even if they are not staged, the girl you've talked about likely was bisexual, but didn't realize it yet. This whole notion of "converting" people to homosexuality sounds ridiculous, as well. You can't "convert" a person's sexuality to your own, otherwise there would've been examples of it. I once saw a video about some guy being "cured" of his homosexuality, as in, he prayed to Jesus, and he supposedly stopped being gay, but, frankly, I call "bullshit" on that one.
But, Hate mobs are real, I've seen people belittle people only because they were gay, it's pretty disgusting to watch.
I didn't say anything about them not existing.
I know, it's just this is kind of an issue in the real world.
I think the OP's intention was to show how difficult and painful it is when people say that what they are is wrong. Not what they do, but what they ARE. How would you like it if someone told you that you were inferior or evil because of where you live? Or who you like? It's torture to do that to somebody, and I think what the OP was trying to do was say "This is how it feels inside for us."
Did you really have to title the thread in such a passive aggressive manner? Don't get me wrong, Hozier is one of my favorite artists and I like this song, but in what way does it benefit you or your cause to call out the "resident homophobes"? People aren't going to change their opinions just because you "feel dread for them" due to said opinions, which when you put it that way sounds incredibly condescending. It honestly just looks like you're trying to start a fight here and nothing else.
Not really, I just don't appreciate homophobes and flamers.
If I got banned for what I just said, so would a lot of others who currently aren't.
Well this applies mostly to teenagers worldwide, because there's lots of young people in school who will have sex whether their parents approve or not. And quite a few won't take the proper precautions to avoid pregnancy, and you only need to look at China to see how much of a problem that can be. So if just a portion of those people who don't use protection are gay, then that means less of a population issue for us later. Over here in Australia, where homophobia is rarely taken seriously by people, the rate of teen mothers was lowest in a decade last year. That's what I meant.
Homosexuals aren't the solution to this my friend. For every one homosexual, there is 100+ straight people. Populations decline over time, and China will eventually experience this. If it doesn't, there is always more draconian options, but I don't want to open a can of worms so....
Seeing as others have already argued against your original statement, I think I've said all I need to say on this topic.
What original statement? I literally just entered this conversation between you and @jillValentine333......
If it's the other post you said, I don't see how people not taking homophobia seriously directly correlates with teenage parents.