I agree. If you wanted to change people's minds, you wouldn't say
Hence this video expresses my sentiment rather eloquently. (Shan't be replying any more, as I'm beginning to realise that I won't singlehandedly change the opinions of religious extremists, and that society is doing so for me, with the religions dying out).
If your trying to establish a dialogue, you can't resort to name calling, its counter productive, and its deflection. It drives away from the real issues, that your trying to discuss, persuade, whatever. Just the opinion of this crazy SOB.
I agree. If you wanted to change people's minds, you wouldn't say
Hence this video expresses my sentiment rather eloquently. (Shan't b… moree replying any more, as I'm beginning to realise that I won't singlehandedly change the opinions of religious extremists, and that society is doing so for me, with the religions dying out).
To people on this thread saying you disapprove of homosexuality: yes you are a homophobe. That's the definition.
To the people telling me… more not to care what other people think: good advice. That's totally easy, to ignore being told you're evil.
Anyway, I shall try to care less about humanity.
Hence this video expresses my sentiment rather eloquently. (Shan't be replying any more, as I'm beginning to realise that I won't singlehandedly change the opinions of religious extremists, and that society is doing so for me, with the religions dying out).
So yeah, basically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV26OMSb_VQ&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUV26OMSb_VQ&has_verified=1
Bye.
With all due respect, from the comments others have made, even though they've watched the video, it still doesn't change their minds.
You bring up a highly controversial subject, and then you ask people for their opinions, but when they give them to you, you're still unhappy.
And in all fairness, you brought this whole thing up in the first place, no-one else did.
You bring this up, but when someone says something you don't like, or that is contrary to your lifestyle, you get all antagonistic.
Could it be that perhaps you're the one with the problem, because of perhaps being unwilling to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you?
That's what I'm wondering.
And I'll bet there are others here that are wondering the same exact thing.
Throwing a tantrum and leaving isnt the answer its the whole reason this keeps going in circles is because people go back to just insulting the other party and demanding they're right with no compromise
The Bible does say not to judge.
However, it does set clear boundaries as to what type of behavior is acceptable, and what isn't.
For exam… moreple, it says that things like Murder, Stealing, Adultery, Lying, etc, is unexpectable.
And Jesus held these viewpoints as well.
Along with that, the Mosaic law also stated that homosexuality is an abomination.
Jesus supported this as well, when he stated in his Sermon on the Mount: "Do not suppose I came to tear down the law or the prophets; I came not to tear down but to fill up. For I tell you verily, till the heavens and earth pass away, not a dot of an i nor the cross of a T in the law shall pass away, till everything is done." Mathew 6:7, ( Byington translation.)
With all due respect, from the comments others have made, even though they've watched the video, it still doesn't change their minds.
You b… morering up a highly controversial subject, and then you ask people for their opinions, but when they give them to you, you're still unhappy.
And in all fairness, you brought this whole thing up in the first place, no-one else did.
You bring this up, but when someone says something you don't like, or that is contrary to your lifestyle, you get all antagonistic.
Could it be that perhaps you're the one with the problem, because of perhaps being unwilling to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you?
That's what I'm wondering.
And I'll bet there are others here that are wondering the same exact thing.
Homophobia is to homnosexuality what racism is to race and sexism is to sex.
Words origins don't define their meaning. The word 'potato' comes fro ma word meaning 'sweet potato', but using potato to mean a non-sweet potato is absolutely correct.
The definition of homophobia is dislike of or discrimination against homosexuals.
I agree.
The word "Homophobia," is actually a misnomer.
The word "phobia," is Greek in origin, and it carries the connotation of being af… moreraid of something.
Now you have stated in layman's terms, that you don't approve of homosexuality, and that you find it disgusting.
Finding something to be disgusting, is completely different than being afraid of it, as the word "disgust" carries the connotation of repulsion.
So you are completely correct in defending your stance as non-homophobic.
And I to defend your stance, and take the same stance myself.
Isn't the telltale talk forum a place to bring up things we're interested in?
There is a difference, but that doesn't make it okay. Killing one person is less bad tyhan killing a hundred people, but we should still try to change those who will one.
I can change it: I've changed the minds of several people in my activism.
Dude, when people make light of Kenny's racism and when comments that believe in creationism get any likes at all, it's sure as hell not a left wing forum.
Besides, on a left wing forum you would be banned for hate speech like 'homosexuality is disguisting'
But people saying this shit makes people feel crap, and when posting a thread about it takes 2 minutes and could change some people's opinio… morens, I don't think it's pointless to try.
but there is a huge difference between a word or two either said out of context or people saying they disprove of something and outright abuse etc.. Dont you realise you make people feel like crap by insinuating they are facists when they simply have an opinion. People can have opinions and be honest, I'd rather people just say it than pretend, there is nothing worse, people differ and most dont have any issues with it apart from extremists.
You cant change it no however you can change your attitude to how it affects you as a person, most people dont care about the odd person or the odd comment, honestly I have to say this one offhand comment should not "hurt" you, annoy perhaps but if it hurts I dont know.... Overall as I said as a whole society no long… [view original content]
Your never going to convince anyone, by telling people fuck off to their face, Just IMO, i could be wrong, normally am , most people will fly across the country to inform me of my shortcomings.
I personally have no problems with anyone's sexuality. Getting older, taken the fight out of me. I just want to watch some Family guy without fighting for once.
Well, this is the off-topic forum, and I am asking homophobic people to watch the video because I detest homphobic people and think they need to change their views.
I think telling people they are disgusting for something they can't change is bullying, so yes.
Your never going to convince anyone, by telling people fuck off to their face, Just IMO, i could be wrong, normally am , most people will … morefly across the country to inform me of my shortcomings.
I personally have no problems with anyone's sexuality. Getting older, taken the fight out of me. I just want to watch some Family guy without fighting for once.
This passage also has to be looked at from its time period, as Paul was speaking about the rituals that happened at the time. The first part of the passage is talking about those who worship false idols, and the second is talking about ritualistic orgies (seeing as they're referring to men and women turning away from each other in the plural fashion). Pagan rituals at the time did consist of orgies, both of a homosexual and heterosexual fashion. That's likely where the terms atimia and pathos (dishonor and suffering) are used in the original Greek, and was translated in the King James version as vile affections.
He's saying not to commit sexual ritualistic acts to worship a false God, since the first part of the passage speaks about worshiping false idols, and the second part speaks about the sexual acts committed to worship those idols. People have separated the two parts for discrimination, but taken as a whole, it's clear when looking at the entire letter, the original Greek, and the context of the time, that this is what Paul is referring to in his letter.
Another scripture that is also used, is Romans chapter 1.
In there, Paul describes homosexuality as "Obscene."
And in verse 28, in the Kin… moreg James Bible it states: "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do the things that are not convenient."
Now the word "reprobate," according to Webster, means: "Depraved."
And the word "Convenient," according to Webster means: "Suitable, Proper."
And the word: "Retain," or, "Remember," would carry the connotation that in order to remember something or someone, you are thus acknowledging "it's," existence, or "their" existence; as well as any statements that person makes.
And the word "Mind," is obviously related to thought process and pattern.
So that scripture, in modern English would read: "And even as they did not like to acknowledge God, God gave them over to depraved thinking, to do things that are not proper."
But I'm not trying to establish a dialogue: I've been told that caring about the opinions of others is wrong in this thread, so have altered my approach to make them happy.
If your trying to establish a dialogue, you can't resort to name calling, its counter productive, and its deflection. It drives away from the real issues, that your trying to discuss, persuade, whatever. Just the opinion of this crazy SOB.
Having blond hair is abnormal in society. Liking the walking dead is abnormal in society. Eating grapes is abnormal in society.
Abnormal does not mean disgusting.
Human rights is a big deal, and disliking people for their sexuality fuels hatred against work towards equal human rights.
Thing is, I was annoyed at people telling me that I'm disgusting above. But then I was told I shouldn't care what others think and that theyre entitled to their opinion.
So I just posted above that I don't care, and that I just think their opinions shit but won't try to change it. And then they're still finding fault.
Is this really necessary? You're more likely to get offended than change minds flog... (and it seems like that's what's happened)
I just don't get why people have to make such big deals about this (both sides).
Funny thing about internet anonymity. Some people abuse this, they find weaknesses of others and latch onto it. They feel that with this tool, they can just say whatever they please. This happens in competitive games especially. If people find out you're man, your masculinity will be questioned. If they know you're woman, you'll be ridiculed for the fact that you have boobs.
On the other hand, it also allows to talk as equals. In this case, we can talk about Telltale games here and share our opinions without needing drag our race/sex/sexual preferences in it and yes, in the off topic part, we can talk about whatever we want. By making a thread about this, most people feel the need to share their thoughts about it. Of course, there are going to be homophobes, but they're not going to leave nor change their minds despite how morally wrong it is. Even though homophobes existed before this, you're part of the problem by dragging us into this. Literally nobody talked about it, because nobody cared about who you were and what your thoughts are on homosexuality. You're creating a problem which wasn't there before.
Are they breaking any laws? Are they bullying anyone? Did they physically hurt anyone? Are the users here in charge of mind control facilities to pray the gay away?
This thread is aimed at any homophobes that may happen to be on the forum.
it is aimed at changing their minds, because homophobia, like … moreracism, is harmful.
the views they have are damaging ('homosexuality is disgusting'), and they are ones I think need to be changed.
Being told I'm disgusting for something I cannot change is indeed bullying.
To people on this thread saying you disapprove of homosexuality: yes you are a homophobe. That's the definition.
To the people telling me… more not to care what other people think: good advice. That's totally easy, to ignore being told you're evil.
Anyway, I shall try to care less about humanity.
Hence this video expresses my sentiment rather eloquently. (Shan't be replying any more, as I'm beginning to realise that I won't singlehandedly change the opinions of religious extremists, and that society is doing so for me, with the religions dying out).
So yeah, basically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV26OMSb_VQ&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUV26OMSb_VQ&has_verified=1
Bye.
Guys. Behave and stop derailing the thread, please.
If you don't have anything to contribute to a constructive discussion on either side, please leave. You are welcome to have your own opinions on the topic, but you may not insult others for simply having their own opinion, nor may you insult people just for being homosexual. If you disagree with it, just say you disagree with it and leave it at that. You don't need to insult people for their lifestyle unless it hurts others.
I have changed the minds of homophobes before, so it's not true that they'll never change.
Your idea of what a forum is is extremely flawed.
One does not have to be asked of their opinion in order to be allowed to make a thread.
Before the Korra thread was made, for example, no-one talked about it, nobody cared which tv shows the maker of the thread liked, nor what his thoughts o nsaid tv shows were.
And thats ignoring the fact that there HAVE been several threads about homosexuality.
By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes.
Being told I am disgusting for something I cannot control is bullying.
Funny thing about internet anonymity. Some people abuse this, they find weaknesses of others and latch onto it. They feel that with this too… morel, they can just say whatever they please. This happens in competitive games especially. If people find out you're man, your masculinity will be questioned. If they know you're woman, you'll be ridiculed for the fact that you have boobs.
On the other hand, it also allows to talk as equals. In this case, we can talk about Telltale games here and share our opinions without needing drag our race/sex/sexual preferences in it and yes, in the off topic part, we can talk about whatever we want. By making a thread about this, most people feel the need to share their thoughts about it. Of course, there are going to be homophobes, but they're not going to leave nor change their minds despite how morally wrong it is. Even though homophobes existed before this, you're part of the problem by dragging us into this. … [view original content]
Human rights is a big deal, and disliking people for their sexuality fuels hatred against work towards equal human rights.
Thing is, I wa… mores annoyed at people telling me that I'm disgusting above. But then I was told I shouldn't care what others think and that theyre entitled to their opinion.
So I just posted above that I don't care, and that I just think their opinions shit but won't try to change it. And then they're still finding fault.
Guys. Behave and stop derailing the thread, please.
If you don't have anything to contribute to a constructive discussion on either side… more, please leave. You are welcome to have your own opinions on the topic, but you may not insult others for simply having their own opinion, nor may you insult people just for being homosexual. If you disagree with it, just say you disagree with it and leave it at that. You don't need to insult people for their lifestyle unless it hurts others.
Literally nobody talked about it, because nobody cared about who you were and what your thoughts are on homosexuality. You're creating a problem which wasn't there before.
This. People with such agendas think that everybody reading their stuff has the following mindset :
Funny thing about internet anonymity. Some people abuse this, they find weaknesses of others and latch onto it. They feel that with this too… morel, they can just say whatever they please. This happens in competitive games especially. If people find out you're man, your masculinity will be questioned. If they know you're woman, you'll be ridiculed for the fact that you have boobs.
On the other hand, it also allows to talk as equals. In this case, we can talk about Telltale games here and share our opinions without needing drag our race/sex/sexual preferences in it and yes, in the off topic part, we can talk about whatever we want. By making a thread about this, most people feel the need to share their thoughts about it. Of course, there are going to be homophobes, but they're not going to leave nor change their minds despite how morally wrong it is. Even though homophobes existed before this, you're part of the problem by dragging us into this. … [view original content]
I know it's a big deal. That's what makes me so pissed off, it shouldn't be.
And some people will always find fault with anything that anyone says. That's not going to change.
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I agree. If you wanted to change people's minds, you wouldn't say
If your trying to establish a dialogue, you can't resort to name calling, its counter productive, and its deflection. It drives away from the real issues, that your trying to discuss, persuade, whatever. Just the opinion of this crazy SOB.
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With all due respect, from the comments others have made, even though they've watched the video, it still doesn't change their minds.
You bring up a highly controversial subject, and then you ask people for their opinions, but when they give them to you, you're still unhappy.
And in all fairness, you brought this whole thing up in the first place, no-one else did.
You bring this up, but when someone says something you don't like, or that is contrary to your lifestyle, you get all antagonistic.
Could it be that perhaps you're the one with the problem, because of perhaps being unwilling to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you?
That's what I'm wondering.
And I'll bet there are others here that are wondering the same exact thing.
oh, how come i missed this thread
...you literally just told me not to care what other people think.
How can I both not care what people think and debate with them about it?
The Bible also says things like adultery should be punished with death, do you believe that it should?
So I have to simultaneously not care what people think AND debate oit with that?
That makes no sense!
Because it's an issue I'm passionate about?
I didn't specifically ask for their opinions, I asked them to watch the video.
Can you please respond to my comment about why you're sinning against god by wearing elastic?
This shows you have no idea of linguistics.
Homophobia is to homnosexuality what racism is to race and sexism is to sex.
Words origins don't define their meaning. The word 'potato' comes fro ma word meaning 'sweet potato', but using potato to mean a non-sweet potato is absolutely correct.
The definition of homophobia is dislike of or discrimination against homosexuals.
I literally just showed you how it is false. You don't decide the definition of words.
And you know it homophobe, I'm no lady.
Isn't the telltale talk forum a place to bring up things we're interested in?
There is a difference, but that doesn't make it okay. Killing one person is less bad tyhan killing a hundred people, but we should still try to change those who will one.
I can change it: I've changed the minds of several people in my activism.
Dude, when people make light of Kenny's racism and when comments that believe in creationism get any likes at all, it's sure as hell not a left wing forum.
Besides, on a left wing forum you would be banned for hate speech like 'homosexuality is disguisting'
It doesn't break any forum rules.
When did I say that they shouldn't discuss games?
Can you please quote me?
Your never going to convince anyone, by telling people fuck off to their face, Just IMO, i could be wrong, normally am , most people will fly across the country to inform me of my shortcomings.
I personally have no problems with anyone's sexuality. Getting older, taken the fight out of me. I just want to watch some Family guy without fighting for once.
Well, this is the off-topic forum, and I am asking homophobic people to watch the video because I detest homphobic people and think they need to change their views.
I think telling people they are disgusting for something they can't change is bullying, so yes.
Then what's the problem? Are they bullying people? Are they hurting people? Are they forcing people to change? What's the problem?
But according to users who commented here, I'm not supposed to convince anyone, and should simply not care what other people think.
This passage also has to be looked at from its time period, as Paul was speaking about the rituals that happened at the time. The first part of the passage is talking about those who worship false idols, and the second is talking about ritualistic orgies (seeing as they're referring to men and women turning away from each other in the plural fashion). Pagan rituals at the time did consist of orgies, both of a homosexual and heterosexual fashion. That's likely where the terms atimia and pathos (dishonor and suffering) are used in the original Greek, and was translated in the King James version as vile affections.
He's saying not to commit sexual ritualistic acts to worship a false God, since the first part of the passage speaks about worshiping false idols, and the second part speaks about the sexual acts committed to worship those idols. People have separated the two parts for discrimination, but taken as a whole, it's clear when looking at the entire letter, the original Greek, and the context of the time, that this is what Paul is referring to in his letter.
This thread is aimed at any homophobes that may happen to be on the forum.
it is aimed at changing their minds, because homophobia, like racism, is harmful.
the views they have are damaging ('homosexuality is disgusting'), and they are ones I think need to be changed.
Being told I'm disgusting for something I cannot change is indeed bullying.
Whatever makes you feel better champ .Still abnormal....
Having blond hair is abnormal in society. Liking the walking dead is abnormal in society. Eating grapes is abnormal in society.
Abnormal does not mean disgusting.
But I'm not trying to establish a dialogue: I've been told that caring about the opinions of others is wrong in this thread, so have altered my approach to make them happy.
Is this really necessary? You're more likely to get offended than change minds flog... (and it seems like that's what's happened)
I just don't get why people have to make such big deals about this (both sides).
ab·nor·mal
(adjective)
deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying.
Human rights is a big deal, and disliking people for their sexuality fuels hatred against work towards equal human rights.
Thing is, I was annoyed at people telling me that I'm disgusting above. But then I was told I shouldn't care what others think and that theyre entitled to their opinion.
So I just posted above that I don't care, and that I just think their opinions shit but won't try to change it. And then they're still finding fault.
Blond hair deviates from what is normal or usual: having dark hair.
In what way is homosexuality worrying?
I really don't care about what people think of me. If they disagree to my sexuality, no problem, as long as they respect me.
Disagreeing with who you are isn't respecting you.
Funny thing about internet anonymity. Some people abuse this, they find weaknesses of others and latch onto it. They feel that with this tool, they can just say whatever they please. This happens in competitive games especially. If people find out you're man, your masculinity will be questioned. If they know you're woman, you'll be ridiculed for the fact that you have boobs.
On the other hand, it also allows to talk as equals. In this case, we can talk about Telltale games here and share our opinions without needing drag our race/sex/sexual preferences in it and yes, in the off topic part, we can talk about whatever we want. By making a thread about this, most people feel the need to share their thoughts about it. Of course, there are going to be homophobes, but they're not going to leave nor change their minds despite how morally wrong it is. Even though homophobes existed before this, you're part of the problem by dragging us into this. Literally nobody talked about it, because nobody cared about who you were and what your thoughts are on homosexuality. You're creating a problem which wasn't there before.
Are they breaking any laws? Are they bullying anyone? Did they physically hurt anyone? Are the users here in charge of mind control facilities to pray the gay away?
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You have heard about the 12 year old taking his own life?Right ?
For being teased about his sexuality. 12 yo's don't have an sexuality. That's one.
Guys. Behave and stop derailing the thread, please.
If you don't have anything to contribute to a constructive discussion on either side, please leave. You are welcome to have your own opinions on the topic, but you may not insult others for simply having their own opinion, nor may you insult people just for being homosexual. If you disagree with it, just say you disagree with it and leave it at that. You don't need to insult people for their lifestyle unless it hurts others.
I have changed the minds of homophobes before, so it's not true that they'll never change.
Your idea of what a forum is is extremely flawed.
One does not have to be asked of their opinion in order to be allowed to make a thread.
Before the Korra thread was made, for example, no-one talked about it, nobody cared which tv shows the maker of the thread liked, nor what his thoughts o nsaid tv shows were.
And thats ignoring the fact that there HAVE been several threads about homosexuality.
By having those views they are damaging society, holding back rights, and bullying. So yes.
Being told I am disgusting for something I cannot control is bullying.
I know it's a big deal. That's what makes me so pissed off, it shouldn't be.
And some people will always find fault with anything that anyone says. That's not going to change.
But if those opinions are hate speech, then fighting against them is justified.
In fact, your entire job description - upholding the forum guidelines - revolves around the idea that hate speech should not be tolerated.
If everyone said 'let's agree to disagree' then society would never progress, would it?
Challenging opinions is extremely important.
This. People with such agendas think that everybody reading their stuff has the following mindset :
...you think human rights shouldn't be a big deal?
Ok wow, I didn't see that viewpoint coming.
Er, I'm not really sure how to respond to that, except to say that I think equal rights is a big deal.