The moth and storyline direction re: Clementine, Kenny and Luke
Hello there, I'm a longtime lurker(not the zombie kind), first time poster. Didn't see a discussion on this, so I decided to register and start it myself.
SPOILERS!!!! Obviously.
Okay, I think it's significant how episode 3 starts off with Clementine looking at the moth on the tree. I looked it up and some of the symbolic meanings for the moth are:
Vulnerability
Determination
Concealment
Attraction
Subtlety
Intuition
Faith
All of these are traits that can describe Clementine. Clementine is the moth.
Now, regarding Kenny and Luke, if you look at their name meanings, Kenny's name meaning is "handsome; fire born, & born of fire." Luke's meaning is "light."
Moths are attracted to light. They find the light in the darkness. Kenny and Luke are the sources of light in The Walking Dead, but Kenny is like fire. and you know that saying, "Like a moth attracted to a flame" or something like that, meaning that the moth goes to the flame only to burn and die.
Now, before the Kenny fans begin to hate me, let me tell you, I love Kenny. I admire him a lot. I love his take action attitude and how he is willing to do anything to protect the people he cares about. But the man is too rash. Carlos and Rebecca hit the nail on the head regarding his character. He does not think things through. He lacks caution and doesn't think about the consequences of his actions before he does things. And that will get people killed, in fact, it already has, ex: Walter, Alvin(determinant), Carlos(sort of, if you want me to elaborate, I will).
There's no doubt after ep.3 with him smashing Carver's face in for vengeance, Kenny is a destructive man. I feel like things are just going to get darker where he is considered. He is on a path of destruction and I'm worried he will (unintentionally) put Clementine (and the others) in serious danger.
Luke on the other hand, is different. He does think things through, he is cautious, and he does consider the consequences. He does fuck up sometimes, but at least he admits it. In my opinion, Luke is an all around good guy who still has morals and humanity in him, even after all this time. He's not like Walter, who was kind to a fault. Luke has a good balance of being strong and tough enough to survive while still retaining his goodness and humanity. His name means light, and he's kind of like a beacon of hope in the dark world that is The Walking Dead.
Like a lot of you, I really think that TellTale is setting things up for a Kenny vs. Luke thing. The storyline is basically Clem growing up and developing and these two men can determine what kind of person Clem will become. Who would you, as Clementine, follow? Kenny, who you have such deep personal history with, but will most likely lead you on a path to destruction and get you killed, or Luke, who is most likely to keep you on the straight and narrow with your humanity intact?
For me personally, I would follow Luke, because I still want Clementine to retain her humanity, but if I can, I want to help Kenny turn away from this dark path he is going down.
SPOILERS!!!! Obviously.
Okay, I think it's significant how episode 3 starts off with Clementine looking at the moth on the tree. I looked it up and some of the symbolic meanings for the moth are:
Vulnerability
Determination
Concealment
Attraction
Subtlety
Intuition
Faith
All of these are traits that can describe Clementine. Clementine is the moth.
Now, regarding Kenny and Luke, if you look at their name meanings, Kenny's name meaning is "handsome; fire born, & born of fire." Luke's meaning is "light."
Moths are attracted to light. They find the light in the darkness. Kenny and Luke are the sources of light in The Walking Dead, but Kenny is like fire. and you know that saying, "Like a moth attracted to a flame" or something like that, meaning that the moth goes to the flame only to burn and die.
Now, before the Kenny fans begin to hate me, let me tell you, I love Kenny. I admire him a lot. I love his take action attitude and how he is willing to do anything to protect the people he cares about. But the man is too rash. Carlos and Rebecca hit the nail on the head regarding his character. He does not think things through. He lacks caution and doesn't think about the consequences of his actions before he does things. And that will get people killed, in fact, it already has, ex: Walter, Alvin(determinant), Carlos(sort of, if you want me to elaborate, I will).
There's no doubt after ep.3 with him smashing Carver's face in for vengeance, Kenny is a destructive man. I feel like things are just going to get darker where he is considered. He is on a path of destruction and I'm worried he will (unintentionally) put Clementine (and the others) in serious danger.
Luke on the other hand, is different. He does think things through, he is cautious, and he does consider the consequences. He does fuck up sometimes, but at least he admits it. In my opinion, Luke is an all around good guy who still has morals and humanity in him, even after all this time. He's not like Walter, who was kind to a fault. Luke has a good balance of being strong and tough enough to survive while still retaining his goodness and humanity. His name means light, and he's kind of like a beacon of hope in the dark world that is The Walking Dead.
Like a lot of you, I really think that TellTale is setting things up for a Kenny vs. Luke thing. The storyline is basically Clem growing up and developing and these two men can determine what kind of person Clem will become. Who would you, as Clementine, follow? Kenny, who you have such deep personal history with, but will most likely lead you on a path to destruction and get you killed, or Luke, who is most likely to keep you on the straight and narrow with your humanity intact?
For me personally, I would follow Luke, because I still want Clementine to retain her humanity, but if I can, I want to help Kenny turn away from this dark path he is going down.
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....i cant decide who i would choose :/
It really is a hard decision, isn't it?
The way Kenny took joy in killing Carver was something my Lee I crafted would never ever do. Yeah, he fucked up many lives, but we don't fuck him up every second before he dies. Luke, for me, represents the softness in Lee, and Kenny is the hardness in Lee. Clem can be like one or the other.
I choose Luke, because if others had no humanity, she wouldn't be alive. She has been relying on the kindness of other folks, and now she's hardened enough to survive on her own!
I do like your idea that Luke and Kenny are two sides of Lee. Never thought of it that way. That's why I want them both to work together for Clem's sake.
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Nice description. I believe Clem can maintain the balance between Kenny and Luke if the 3 of them ended up being final 3. Kenny cannot be too dark, it will consume him while Luke should toughen up a bit in order to survive. Clem represents that balance.
some(most) people think its choosing between Kenny or luke.
and now that you said this, I think im going with luke. for sure.
Jane so far, doesn't seem to care about anyone but herself. I could be wrong, we'll just have see in episode 4.
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And wow, I feel like I'm converting people to Luke's side. Kenny fans/supporters, please join in. I would love to discuss.
And yeah, I think you're spot-on about Kenny. He's going down a dark road, and him possibly losing Sarita could be the thing that gives him that push. I think I'd go with Luke, to be honest. He may not be as capable, but that can change, and I think it's more important (and harder) for Clem to hold onto her humanity.
I do find it funny and ironic that one of the meanings for Kenny is "handsome" and in the preview for episode 4 he's asking Clem if he still looks pretty. XD
Luke is Clem's humanity right now and Sarita is Kenny's, and I fear when we lose Sarita we'll lose any morality from Kenny too
Thank you for this great read! And Welcome to the community. :D
Overall though, I think i'd say Luke. Kenny is dangerous whether he tries to be or not. Clementine is my favorite character and all that matters to me that she is safe.
Also s far as Carver goes, if Kenny wouldn't have been there, Luke probably doesn't have the guts to kill him and whose to say Carver wouldn't eventually hunt the group down again with a not so "forgiving mindset" this time?
Alot of times I questioned backing Kenny as Lee. I won't make that same mistake as Clem.
There needs to be someone who can make the tough moral choices in a group, (Kenny) and someone who vouches for people and tries to keep the morale alive in a group. (Clementine)
Kenny has already shown he can and will give his life to protect Clementine, and whether Luke would do the same is questionable.
Kenny's plan got them out, but had they listened to Luke, I think they would have a better chance at surviving after escaping. Also, that "minute" that Kenny took to bash in Carver's face could have been a minute used to get away from the compound faster and possibly avoid Tavia and the other shooting Carlos and ultimately getting Sarita bitten.
I do agree, Carver had to be killed. There was no way Carver would let them get away and he would come after them. But brutally bashing his head in was a step too far. One quick bullet to the head would have been enough.
I like that Luke second guess killing Carver in cold blood. It shows that he still has humanity in him and in the world of TWD we need that.
One of the symbolism for butterflies was "transformation" (I'm not sure if moths also has this symbolism, but considering they also have metamorphosis, maybe.). I thought it represents Clementine - how she changes overtime, how she isn't the innocent and naive Clementine in season 1.
I'm not sure if telltale decided to put the moth intentionally, or not. Either way this is something worth discussing.
I understand the urge to get revenge on Carver after everything he has done, and it feels great at first, but afterwards it just leaves a bad aftertaste in your mouth, because it kind of shows that you are no better than he is.
While you may question his morality, I had absolutely zero problems with what Kenny did to Carver. I'm sure Alvin and the other ghost of characters that Carver killed were probably cheering him on.
Also you call humanity, others deem as weakness. Especailly when its comes down to hesitating whether or not to kill an insane madman who has already murdered many a people within his own "community."
While you may question his morality, I had absolutely zero problems with what Kenny did to Carver. I'm sure Alvin and the other ghost of characters that Carver killed were probably cheering him on.
Also what you call humanity, others deem as weakness. Especailly when its comes down to hesitating whether or not to kill an insane madman who has already murdered many a people within his own "community."