I found something too. There'll be spoiler so if you haven't played the game - do not read.
Another monster lurks in the manor. Creature from native's legends and I'm not talking about spider gollums. Beast is called THE TOWEL, beacuse it looks like towel. Attacked Sam's beautiful body after a bath. Towel was strong, stucked to girl and hold for long. She was running, jumping, hiding, fightning - didn't help. Finally Sam has freed herself from towel's clasp. The scene was scary, Mike couldn't look.
I found something too. There'll be spoiler so if you haven't played the game - do not read.
Another monster lurks in the manor. Creature … morefrom native's legends and I'm not talking about spider gollums. Beast is called THE TOWEL, beacuse it looks like towel. Attacked Sam's beautiful body after a bath. Towel was strong, stucked to girl and hold for long. She was running, jumping, hiding, fightning - didn't help. Finally Sam has freed herself from towel's clasp. The scene was scary, Mike couldn't look.
I really enjoyed playing this game. In my first playthrough I managed to keep everyone except Josh alive. The butterfly effect said that Sam… more didn't find a vital clue and Josh didn't recognize Hannah in time, what is the vital clue you need to keep Josh alive?
This is another succesful dialogue and choice game. The other is Heavy Rain. This are the only games where choices matter. I think Until Dawn is the only one which I enjoyed the most, even more than TWD.
Anyone understand why Josh focuses nearly all of his psycho torment on Ashley, Chris, and Sam, even though Chris and Sam weren't even involved at all with the original prank on Hannah? I mean, what was he planning to do to the others that were actually 'guilty', other than lock gates, trash the cable car station and leave axes and pigs' heads around?
It's probably because he feels betrayed the most by his closest friend, which is why he torments Chris specifically with Ashley by proxy due to how close she is with Chris and for being a willing participant. As for Sam, she was Hannah's best friend, and it's possible that Josh was angry at Sam for not doing enough or warning Hannah of the prank in time.
As for Emily, Matt, Jessica, and Mike, it's possible that he originally planned to get them involved the next day, but either there were complications in his project, or he couldn't lure them in time to plan out his own revenge prank for them, and instead decided to settle with just Chris, Ashley, and Sam.
Also, I read up a theory that Chris might not have been as innocent as the audience have thought. There's a possibility that he deliberately got Josh drunk enough to not interrupt the prank towards Hannah, and played drunk to keep an eye on Josh and keep Beth from getting too suspicious. If the theory was true, then Josh's hatred towards Chris would have made more sense.
And yet, I'm assuming Josh set up the doll house, positioning where everyone was when it happened, including Chris with him asleep upstairs. And he got hold of the footage of the prank from Matt's camera somehow. So he knew exactly what went down. Him targeting the least obvious people seems more like an oversight in the writing than something that can be explained away by his mental illness.
He probably wouldn't have needed to knock everyone out to mess with them. I'm kind of wondering if there might have been something set up in the guest cabin for Mike and Jess that he could have orchestrated remotely.
His anger still feels a bit misplaced. I can understand him resenting the people who failed to stop it from happening, but surely you'd still blame those who actually did it more, especially if they don't seem too remorseful, which Ashley definitely was. Also Josh orchestrated a lot, spent plenty of money and had obviously been planning and setting this all up for a large part of the year. If he did end up needing to compromise, it'd make more sense for him to settle on some way of just tormenting Mike, Jess and Emily, not Chris, Ashley, and Sam.
I guess the weirdest part is, the writers could easily have just put Chris in the bedroom for the prank too (maybe instead of Matt), so that he was indisputably part of it, but they didn't. They deliberately had him separate, which is where the disconnect in reasoning is. Hell, they could technically have had Sam in there too, if reluctantly, but I guess they wanted her to be likeable and innocent from the start. As for Chris pretending to be drunk, that would make a bit more sense, but then 1) Having Chris do all that is pretty elaborate for an ill-conceived prank, especially given it means he'd miss out on it anyway; 2) How did Josh then find out that Chris had been pretending, and therefore deserved blame; and 3) If Chris was just pretending to be passed out, when the prank went wrong, why didn't he run out after Hannah with Beth and the others on the porch. I checked, he's not there.
It's probably because he feels betrayed the most by his closest friend, which is why he torments Chris specifically with Ashley by proxy due… more to how close she is with Chris and for being a willing participant. As for Sam, she was Hannah's best friend, and it's possible that Josh was angry at Sam for not doing enough or warning Hannah of the prank in time.
As for Emily, Matt, Jessica, and Mike, it's possible that he originally planned to get them involved the next day, but either there were complications in his project, or he couldn't lure them in time to plan out his own revenge prank for them, and instead decided to settle with just Chris, Ashley, and Sam.
Also, I read up a theory that Chris might not have been as innocent as the audience have thought. There's a possibility that he deliberately got Josh drunk enough to not interrupt the prank towards Hannah, and played drunk to keep an eye on Josh and keep Beth from getting too suspicio… [view original content]
It could be a writer's oversight or a gross case of misplaced retribution as you said, about Josh not targeting everyone else that was in the same room as Ashley was in.
Then again, it's likely that Josh didn't find out anything or cared enough about everyone's involvement in the prank and just decided to irrationally blame his close friend and Hannah's 'best' friend just for being there at the time the prank took place, hence why he specifically targeted Chris (who he appeared to feel most betrayed by due to giving him the most trouble), Ashley (guilty by proxy due to being Chris' crush and a potential subject to torment Chris with), and Sam (also guilty by proxy due to being Hannah's friend and probably assumed that Sam betrayed her).
Chris being specifically chosen by Josh to torment, and if going by the 'Chris is guilty all along' theory, and with Josh's apparently irrational blaming at his friends while not knowing or caring who is truly to blame, it's likely a coincidence that Josh just so happened to blame the right suspect without knowing the full story.
And as for Chris not running after everyone after Hannah disappears outside, maybe he really was drunk while doing his part with the 'have Josh be drunk enough to not get in the way with the prank' plan, and wasn't able to stay awake due to having too much himself, and yet got the job done anyway.
His anger still feels a bit misplaced. I can understand him resenting the people who failed to stop it from happening, but surely you'd stil… morel blame those who actually did it more, especially if they don't seem too remorseful, which Ashley definitely was. Also Josh orchestrated a lot, spent plenty of money and had obviously been planning and setting this all up for a large part of the year. If he did end up needing to compromise, it'd make more sense for him to settle on some way of just tormenting Mike, Jess and Emily, not Chris, Ashley, and Sam.
I guess the weirdest part is, the writers could easily have just put Chris in the bedroom for the prank too (maybe instead of Matt), so that he was indisputably part of it, but they didn't. They deliberately had him separate, which is where the disconnect in reasoning is. Hell, they could technically have had Sam in there too, if reluctantly, but I guess they wanted her to be likeable and innocent… [view original content]
I think it's likely that he planned to get revenge on everyone and his plan just fell apart.
My theory is that he was getting Sam, Chris and Ash first because he thought they would be the most sympathetic to his cause. They were the closest ones to him and Hannah and Beth, and also they had the least involvement in the prank on Hannah. He also assumed that they would "love" his prank. I think he thought he could get some of his friends to laugh it off and join him in pranking the others who would probably have gotten even more hellish treatment.
Think about the order of who would logically get back to the lodge first.
Sam, Chris and Ash were the ones who stayed there and got the "Josh Dying" prank. These are also the three best candidates Josh has for accomplices. Chris is his best buddy, Ash is fairly weak willed and feels probably the worst for what happened to Beth and Hannah, and Sam and him have a connection, also Sam laughs off his more harmless pranks earlier, she even seems to enjoy them a bit. There's a reason he gets these three first.
Matt and Emily were sent to the cable car station, Josh deliberately locks the gate so they have to take the long way and won't get back in time to interrupt his prank involving his own death. He probably doesn't expect them to go to the radio tower, which is what sets them on their path through the mines. He probably expected them to return to the lodge, and if they had he probably would have involved them in another prank. If he could recruit Sam, Chris and/or Ash in the meantime to help, well all the better.
Meanwhile Mike and Jess have been sent to the cabin. Josh can probably safely assume they'll make it there and be occupied with each other for a large portion of the night, maybe even the entire night. After all he doesn't expect the Wendigo to attack them. They'll be ripe for pranking after he deals with the others.
Instead Mike ends up rescuing Sam (another incident that Josh did not expect), and because Mike and Sam are free they can incapacitate Josh after he reveals himself to Ash and Chris. He also probably doesn't expect Mike to be as angry as he is, because he doesn't know Jess got taken by the Wendigo. At worst he probably expects a "What the fuck is the matter with you?!" from his friends, not a pistol whipping knockout.
If Mike had been occupied with Jess and Sam had still been tied up, Josh could've revealed himself to Ash and Chris and they would've been able to do nothing cause they would have also still been tied up. Then he could try to recruit them to his cause, or if they were difficult he could've knocked them out again and put them somewhere safe so he could continue tormenting the others.
It's probably because he feels betrayed the most by his closest friend, which is why he torments Chris specifically with Ashley by proxy due… more to how close she is with Chris and for being a willing participant. As for Sam, she was Hannah's best friend, and it's possible that Josh was angry at Sam for not doing enough or warning Hannah of the prank in time.
As for Emily, Matt, Jessica, and Mike, it's possible that he originally planned to get them involved the next day, but either there were complications in his project, or he couldn't lure them in time to plan out his own revenge prank for them, and instead decided to settle with just Chris, Ashley, and Sam.
Also, I read up a theory that Chris might not have been as innocent as the audience have thought. There's a possibility that he deliberately got Josh drunk enough to not interrupt the prank towards Hannah, and played drunk to keep an eye on Josh and keep Beth from getting too suspicio… [view original content]
Yeah, this makes sense, I'm going to go with this. Although it makes me wonder even more what else he planned to do to the others, given that implies he only managed maybe a third of what he intended to do before getting caught out by Mike. It would have been good if there had been some hint in the guest cabin of what he was planning.
I think it's likely that he planned to get revenge on everyone and his plan just fell apart.
My theory is that he was getting Sam, Chris … moreand Ash first because he thought they would be the most sympathetic to his cause. They were the closest ones to him and Hannah and Beth, and also they had the least involvement in the prank on Hannah. He also assumed that they would "love" his prank. I think he thought he could get some of his friends to laugh it off and join him in pranking the others who would probably have gotten even more hellish treatment.
Think about the order of who would logically get back to the lodge first.
Sam, Chris and Ash were the ones who stayed there and got the "Josh Dying" prank. These are also the three best candidates Josh has for accomplices. Chris is his best buddy, Ash is fairly weak willed and feels probably the worst for what happened to Beth and Hannah, and Sam and him have a connection, also Sam laughs off… [view original content]
That was probably the most upsetting thing for me in this game, especially since Chris was my favorite character. She just LET'S HIM DIE even though she told Chris to shoot her!
Lost a lot of respect for her to the point of Emily status.
I really wanted to play this game as I love interactive movies type of game but I won't be buying a ps4 just for one game. They should've released it on ps3 also.
It was originally developed for the PS3, so the only reason for it not being released on that platform is because it would have never worked after all their changes!
I really wanted to play this game as I love interactive movies type of game but I won't be buying a ps4 just for one game. They should've released it on ps3 also.
It was originally developed for the PS3, so the only reason for it not being released on that platform is because it would have never worked after all their changes!
... so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. They didn't just port it, they completely rebuilt the mechanics of the game which would work much better on PS4.
It was a solid game, certainly better anything Quantic Dreams ever released. But the game really lost me toward the end with all the dumb supernatural shit it just shoehorned into the plot. Plus besides Mike, Sam, and Jessica, I didn't find any of the cast all that enjoyable or endearing and for the most part they ended up never developing past the half way point of the game for me.
Oh, and if you hate jumpscares, brace for a lot of very cheap pointless ones that don't invoke much other than quick annoyance.
The game was good and the choice impact welcome. I feel the one thing they did need to work on was the last couple of chapters having more variety. You always just circle back to mike and sam, none of the others play a role at all. Also I feel a more complex epilogue would have been better, a short follow up on what the character did.
So ranking the characters
One .Chris
Decent guy, I wish the ending focused on him more and less on mike, not to mention he seems the only real innocent one to begin with.
Two. Sam
Same reasons though I felt chris had more of a sense of humour
Three. Jess
Really annoyed me to begin with but her derpy attitude warmed her up a bit. Wish she had more of a role but I get a lot of the characters were more background.
Four. Mike
Decent enough arc on him, similar to jess he grew on me
Five. Matt
Boring as fuck but I feel a bit bad for him. He just seems like a guy who wants no drama
Six. Ashley
-Boring as fuck. Also completely useless. In some playthroughs she actually is the worst
Seven. Josh
I have some sympathy but....dude are you for real.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who liked Chris. The characters got on my nerves and were mostly all around tools except for him imo. Emily has to be the most annoying character ever
The game was good and the choice impact welcome. I feel the one thing they did need to work on was the last couple of chapters having more v… moreariety. You always just circle back to mike and sam, none of the others play a role at all. Also I feel a more complex epilogue would have been better, a short follow up on what the character did.
So ranking the characters
One .Chris
* Decent guy, I wish the ending focused on him more and less on mike, not to mention he seems the only real innocent one to begin with.
Two. Sam
* Same reasons though I felt chris had more of a sense of humour
Three. Jess
* Really annoyed me to begin with but her derpy attitude warmed her up a bit. Wish she had more of a role but I get a lot of the characters were more background.
Four. Mike
* Decent enough arc on him, similar to jess he grew on me
Five. Matt
* Boring as fuck but I feel a bit bad for him. He just seems like a gu… [view original content]
Emily - How can anyone actually stand letting her live?
I liked Emily actually. She's pushy, but she seems to be one of the only people who has a good head on her shoulders. I like her a lot better than Jessica at least.
The game was good and the choice impact welcome. I feel the one thing they did need to work on was the last couple of chapters having more v… moreariety. You always just circle back to mike and sam, none of the others play a role at all. Also I feel a more complex epilogue would have been better, a short follow up on what the character did.
So ranking the characters
One .Chris
* Decent guy, I wish the ending focused on him more and less on mike, not to mention he seems the only real innocent one to begin with.
Two. Sam
* Same reasons though I felt chris had more of a sense of humour
Three. Jess
* Really annoyed me to begin with but her derpy attitude warmed her up a bit. Wish she had more of a role but I get a lot of the characters were more background.
Four. Mike
* Decent enough arc on him, similar to jess he grew on me
Five. Matt
* Boring as fuck but I feel a bit bad for him. He just seems like a gu… [view original content]
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Matt is black Bieber.
Oh i just found something out. Depending on how many people died be for the last chapter Dr. Hill's appearance decays.
Sam's a vegan apparently.
Yep.
I found something too. There'll be spoiler so if you haven't played the game - do not read.
Another monster lurks in the manor. Creature from native's legends and I'm not talking about spider gollums. Beast is called THE TOWEL, beacuse it looks like towel. Attacked Sam's beautiful body after a bath. Towel was strong, stucked to girl and hold for long. She was running, jumping, hiding, fightning - didn't help. Finally Sam has freed herself from towel's clasp. The scene was scary, Mike couldn't look.
God i feel shivers .
And a pacifist, even though that never really comes up when shown
Does anyone remember what actually happened in the bonus chapter? I remember playing it yet I don't even remember what happened
The butterfly card/picture.
Huh?
And huh?
I found it
You mean the part with Em slipping into some pretty tight jeans?
This is another succesful dialogue and choice game. The other is Heavy Rain. This are the only games where choices matter. I think Until Dawn is the only one which I enjoyed the most, even more than TWD.
Even if I just saw some gameplays of it, it looks really cool and the choices do matter and the deaths are too brutal.
Something that annoys me is that there are many reused character deaths.
The music was good but the opening song was just amazing.
Anyone understand why Josh focuses nearly all of his psycho torment on Ashley, Chris, and Sam, even though Chris and Sam weren't even involved at all with the original prank on Hannah? I mean, what was he planning to do to the others that were actually 'guilty', other than lock gates, trash the cable car station and leave axes and pigs' heads around?
If Matt was a Pokemon, I can imagine him evolving into Lincoln.
Josh was sleeping that night, blamed whole group. Knocking out all seven would be hard...
He was batshit crazy.
It's probably because he feels betrayed the most by his closest friend, which is why he torments Chris specifically with Ashley by proxy due to how close she is with Chris and for being a willing participant. As for Sam, she was Hannah's best friend, and it's possible that Josh was angry at Sam for not doing enough or warning Hannah of the prank in time.
As for Emily, Matt, Jessica, and Mike, it's possible that he originally planned to get them involved the next day, but either there were complications in his project, or he couldn't lure them in time to plan out his own revenge prank for them, and instead decided to settle with just Chris, Ashley, and Sam.
Also, I read up a theory that Chris might not have been as innocent as the audience have thought. There's a possibility that he deliberately got Josh drunk enough to not interrupt the prank towards Hannah, and played drunk to keep an eye on Josh and keep Beth from getting too suspicious. If the theory was true, then Josh's hatred towards Chris would have made more sense.
And yet, I'm assuming Josh set up the doll house, positioning where everyone was when it happened, including Chris with him asleep upstairs. And he got hold of the footage of the prank from Matt's camera somehow. So he knew exactly what went down. Him targeting the least obvious people seems more like an oversight in the writing than something that can be explained away by his mental illness.
He probably wouldn't have needed to knock everyone out to mess with them. I'm kind of wondering if there might have been something set up in the guest cabin for Mike and Jess that he could have orchestrated remotely.
His anger still feels a bit misplaced. I can understand him resenting the people who failed to stop it from happening, but surely you'd still blame those who actually did it more, especially if they don't seem too remorseful, which Ashley definitely was. Also Josh orchestrated a lot, spent plenty of money and had obviously been planning and setting this all up for a large part of the year. If he did end up needing to compromise, it'd make more sense for him to settle on some way of just tormenting Mike, Jess and Emily, not Chris, Ashley, and Sam.
I guess the weirdest part is, the writers could easily have just put Chris in the bedroom for the prank too (maybe instead of Matt), so that he was indisputably part of it, but they didn't. They deliberately had him separate, which is where the disconnect in reasoning is. Hell, they could technically have had Sam in there too, if reluctantly, but I guess they wanted her to be likeable and innocent from the start. As for Chris pretending to be drunk, that would make a bit more sense, but then 1) Having Chris do all that is pretty elaborate for an ill-conceived prank, especially given it means he'd miss out on it anyway; 2) How did Josh then find out that Chris had been pretending, and therefore deserved blame; and 3) If Chris was just pretending to be passed out, when the prank went wrong, why didn't he run out after Hannah with Beth and the others on the porch. I checked, he's not there.
It could be a writer's oversight or a gross case of misplaced retribution as you said, about Josh not targeting everyone else that was in the same room as Ashley was in.
Then again, it's likely that Josh didn't find out anything or cared enough about everyone's involvement in the prank and just decided to irrationally blame his close friend and Hannah's 'best' friend just for being there at the time the prank took place, hence why he specifically targeted Chris (who he appeared to feel most betrayed by due to giving him the most trouble), Ashley (guilty by proxy due to being Chris' crush and a potential subject to torment Chris with), and Sam (also guilty by proxy due to being Hannah's friend and probably assumed that Sam betrayed her).
Chris being specifically chosen by Josh to torment, and if going by the 'Chris is guilty all along' theory, and with Josh's apparently irrational blaming at his friends while not knowing or caring who is truly to blame, it's likely a coincidence that Josh just so happened to blame the right suspect without knowing the full story.
And as for Chris not running after everyone after Hannah disappears outside, maybe he really was drunk while doing his part with the 'have Josh be drunk enough to not get in the way with the prank' plan, and wasn't able to stay awake due to having too much himself, and yet got the job done anyway.
I think it's likely that he planned to get revenge on everyone and his plan just fell apart.
My theory is that he was getting Sam, Chris and Ash first because he thought they would be the most sympathetic to his cause. They were the closest ones to him and Hannah and Beth, and also they had the least involvement in the prank on Hannah. He also assumed that they would "love" his prank. I think he thought he could get some of his friends to laugh it off and join him in pranking the others who would probably have gotten even more hellish treatment.
Think about the order of who would logically get back to the lodge first.
Sam, Chris and Ash were the ones who stayed there and got the "Josh Dying" prank. These are also the three best candidates Josh has for accomplices. Chris is his best buddy, Ash is fairly weak willed and feels probably the worst for what happened to Beth and Hannah, and Sam and him have a connection, also Sam laughs off his more harmless pranks earlier, she even seems to enjoy them a bit. There's a reason he gets these three first.
Matt and Emily were sent to the cable car station, Josh deliberately locks the gate so they have to take the long way and won't get back in time to interrupt his prank involving his own death. He probably doesn't expect them to go to the radio tower, which is what sets them on their path through the mines. He probably expected them to return to the lodge, and if they had he probably would have involved them in another prank. If he could recruit Sam, Chris and/or Ash in the meantime to help, well all the better.
Meanwhile Mike and Jess have been sent to the cabin. Josh can probably safely assume they'll make it there and be occupied with each other for a large portion of the night, maybe even the entire night. After all he doesn't expect the Wendigo to attack them. They'll be ripe for pranking after he deals with the others.
Instead Mike ends up rescuing Sam (another incident that Josh did not expect), and because Mike and Sam are free they can incapacitate Josh after he reveals himself to Ash and Chris. He also probably doesn't expect Mike to be as angry as he is, because he doesn't know Jess got taken by the Wendigo. At worst he probably expects a "What the fuck is the matter with you?!" from his friends, not a pistol whipping knockout.
If Mike had been occupied with Jess and Sam had still been tied up, Josh could've revealed himself to Ash and Chris and they would've been able to do nothing cause they would have also still been tied up. Then he could try to recruit them to his cause, or if they were difficult he could've knocked them out again and put them somewhere safe so he could continue tormenting the others.
Yeah, this makes sense, I'm going to go with this. Although it makes me wonder even more what else he planned to do to the others, given that implies he only managed maybe a third of what he intended to do before getting caught out by Mike. It would have been good if there had been some hint in the guest cabin of what he was planning.
That was probably the most upsetting thing for me in this game, especially since Chris was my favorite character. She just LET'S HIM DIE even though she told Chris to shoot her!
Lost a lot of respect for her to the point of Emily status.
You need to find all of the clues on the twins to keep Josh alive, or so i've heard.
There's no load button in this game, so you'd have to replay it.
Well he screamed her name. That and she probably vaguely remembered Josh since she did'nt immediately eat him.
That is ironic since they are literally opposites of each other. No seriously even in the way they are personality wise and how they react to stuff.
Yeah, I saw that also in the butterfly effects that he recognized Hannah, and she recognized him as well. But it still smells like bullshit for me.
I really wanted to play this game as I love interactive movies type of game but I won't be buying a ps4 just for one game. They should've released it on ps3 also.
It was originally developed for the PS3, so the only reason for it not being released on that platform is because it would have never worked after all their changes!
No.
They ported it for the PS4 due to the Dualshock 4's motion sensor capability.
No.
It was originally a first person PS3 move title.
I know.
They decided to move it to the PS4, like what I said, the console offers much more than the PS3.
... so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. They didn't just port it, they completely rebuilt the mechanics of the game which would work much better on PS4.
It was a solid game, certainly better anything Quantic Dreams ever released. But the game really lost me toward the end with all the dumb supernatural shit it just shoehorned into the plot. Plus besides Mike, Sam, and Jessica, I didn't find any of the cast all that enjoyable or endearing and for the most part they ended up never developing past the half way point of the game for me.
Oh, and if you hate jumpscares, brace for a lot of very cheap pointless ones that don't invoke much other than quick annoyance.
The game was good and the choice impact welcome. I feel the one thing they did need to work on was the last couple of chapters having more variety. You always just circle back to mike and sam, none of the others play a role at all. Also I feel a more complex epilogue would have been better, a short follow up on what the character did.
So ranking the characters
One .Chris
Two. Sam
Three. Jess
Four. Mike
Five. Matt
Six. Ashley
-Boring as fuck. Also completely useless. In some playthroughs she actually is the worst
Seven. Josh
Eight. Emily
Glad to see I'm not the only one who liked Chris. The characters got on my nerves and were mostly all around tools except for him imo. Emily has to be the most annoying character ever
I liked Emily actually. She's pushy, but she seems to be one of the only people who has a good head on her shoulders. I like her a lot better than Jessica at least.