I think the first five minutes of the next chapter is about getting out of the manatee. When you get out, you find it has sawm to it's lair, then the chapter starts.
Interesting thoughts from all of you. Mine (albeit including some of yours) are thus:
In getting out of the Manatee, Morgan and Guybrush have to work together, bringing them closer in the process. Guybrush is getting fed up with the way his Plunder Bunny (Elaine) is treating him and is also worried she is falling for LeChuck, so sees this pretty Morgan prancing about, who idolizes him. How can he pass this up? He is a pirate, after all. He even offered in the final scene for her to join his crew, leaving Winslow behind! He's definitely capable, imo. Elaine didn't even kiss him during Spinner Cay and she gave him her ring back!
Murray will be either inside the manatee or at its final destination. De Cava could be there, with more information about the Sponge and its whereabouts. Cutscenes (seeing as nothing will progress on the De Singe front) will take the form of the side-plot between LeChuck and Elaine.
The entire episode will take place underwater. 'Leviathan' could take one of two forms, given the ambiguous dictionary definition: it could be a dragon/snake/Loch Ness Monster type thing (Old Testament Torah/Bible) or the Moby Dick manatee thing that swallowed them (Modern Hebrew for whale is 'Leviathian'). If whale/manatee, then the lair could be inside it or its underwater home. Else, the manatee will deliver them to the Sea Monster's haunt (or not too far away, perhaps with De Cava's submarine in sight).
Whatever happens during the episode, whoever finds the sponge, whoever's in posession of it, whatever happens to it, Morgan will remember her agreement with De Singe and return him to Flotsam Island. Cue a function for the courtroom: the Trial of Guybrush Threepwood (and Chapter 4). He will be placed under house arrest. After a puzzle or two are complete, the trial will unfold. At the end, Threepwood will escape Jack Sparrow style, perhaps with Le Flay's help (she already has De Singe's money). She will die in the process.
Now that Guybrush's new love interest has died, he reverts to the old one. He hunts LeChuck and Elaine down, and learns what they've been up to, along with LeChuck's hidden agenda. LeChuck returns to his evil ways and takes one of his more dangerous guises. The Pirate God has risen, and is thus reborn.
I think the first five minutes of the next chapter is about getting out of the manatee. When you get out, you find it has sawm to it's lair, then the chapter starts.
That almost sounds like PotC3: At World's End, where they actually find World's End and spend very little time there before managing to escape.
I'm guessing Guybrush and Morgan will bond, seemingly, and the trio in the Leviathan will escape by DeCava's 'submarine', which just happened to have been swallowed up in its belly, with or without a DeCava to go with it.
And then Morgan will double-cross Guybrush and bring him back to Flotsam's Court. Once he's been put to 'death' [for all his Caribbean crimes], DeSinge is free to do with him as he wishes.
That almost sounds like PotC3: At World's End, where they actually find World's End and spend very little time there before managing to escape.
Yeah, but I don't think the chapter title refers to the inside of the manatee itself, so I don't think people are expecting too much time in it. That would be disappointing to me as the title to me seems like a dark barren underwater cavern inhabited by a dangerous beast that could appear around any corner just like LeChuck at the end of Monkey island 2. But that's just me. I think Chapter 3 is where the series will take a very dark turn into deeper themes and stories.
I'm guessing Guybrush and Morgan will bond, seemingly, and the trio in the Leviathan will escape by DeCava's 'submarine', which just happened to have been swallowed up in its belly, with or without a DeCava to go with it.
Strange as it may sem, I'd still love to have the Narwhal back. Call me a loon, but due to Winslow's ramblings, I really came to appreciate its (hers ) help
How about this for some wild speculation. The uselessness of LeChuck at solving a simple puzzle, and the brutalness of Elaine with the Pox, could be setting up the plausibility of GT needing to rescue the helpless LeChuck from the evil Elaine.
How about this for some wild speculation. The uselessness of LeChuck at solving a simple puzzle, and the brutalness of Elaine with the Pox, could be setting up the plausibility of GT needing to rescue the helpless LeChuck from the evil Elaine.
LeChuck may be acting good, but he defiantly can still take care of himself.
I also believe Morgan will capture Guybrush at the end. I was expecting Morgan to be a fan ever since I heard the voice, but making her a professional as well - That was a nice touch. Morgan will almost certainly hand Guybrush over - But that might well be where Guybrush needs to be.
Morgan will probably be enjoying herself immensly. She's fought Guybrush, and now she's on an adventure with her idol (not that she won't hand him over when this is done).
I also believe Morgan will capture Guybrush at the end. I was expecting Morgan to be a fan ever since I heard the voice, but making her a professional as well - That was a nice touch. Morgan will almost certainly hand Guybrush over - But that might well be where Guybrush needs to be.
Morgan will probably be enjoying herself immensly. She's fought Guybrush, and now she's on an adventure with her idol (not that she won't hand him over when this is done).
I had an idea in mind that Morgan will be the one who'll hand Guybrush over (money, professional approach, and such) AND also be the one who'll eventually save him, or at least try to (fanboyism... uhm... fangirlism).
Strange as it may sem, I'd still love to have the Narwhal back. Call me a loon, but due to Winslow's ramblings, I really came to appreciate its (hers ) help
In order to escape the Leviathan, Morgan and Guybrush will have to work together, but she will betray him in the end, but also be the one to rescue him when she realizes that she likes him.
There may well be other ships in the leviathan and maybe a whole village made up of ship debris. I would like there to be some diving like at the docks on melee island or diving for the mad monkey head. Morgan's limitation of only being able to hold her breath for five minutes will prevent her from solving a puzzle or reaching the next area and needs Guybrush's help. Oh, you will be able to control another character for the first time in the series, I believe.
Winslow or someone else takes control of the Narwahl and you need to reclaim it in an even more elaborate way. The wedding ring will have significance, Guybrush might lose it and go after it and Morgan may not like it.
LOL, when I saw it I was like "That's no leviathan, that's a huge manatee!" XD and can't believe my friend said "That's the second biggest manatee I ever seen!"
But yeah, from seeing many manatees in this game, I know what they look like. And leviathan in legend is a huge water SNAKE! *looks at the people on the forum* Yeah a SNAKE. Get it in your head guys!
Leviathan (pronounced /lɨˈvaɪ.əθən/; Hebrew: לִוְיָתָן, Modern Livyatan Tiberian Liwyāṯān ; "twisted, coiled"), is a sea monster referred to in the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament). The word leviathan has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature. In Christian tradition, the Leviathan is associated with Satan. In modern literature (such as the novel Moby-Dick) it refers to great whales, and in Modern Hebrew, it means simply "whale."
Well, Morgan was hired to bring Guybrush to the doctor - alive. She can do just that, get paid and then help him escape, without breaking her contract.
Am i the only who thinks Morgan is the daughter of Coronado De Cava? (and possibly, the daughter of the Voodoo Lady too?) C'mon, both looks too similar, i mean: the same skin colour, same hair colour, same eyes, and her armour parts also looks like the spanish-style armour of Coronado... It could be an inheritance... And i think it has a lot of sense if Morgan finally turns good and tells G'Brush about her father knowledges about La Esponja Grande (sorry for the redundancy)
huh, i think it could better if the episodes will be longer than they are... it's not cool when MI 4 looks longer than this better-fan-considered piece of the saga
My guess is that we will find the sponge in the lair, get dehexed, but you need to get back your hand from DeSinge at floatsam, next chapter kicks in, goes to court, back to sponge to dehex the hand, lechuck is there too and eats the sponge or whatever to get back to his super evil old self.
Just my thoughts
as i was saying on another website, im guessing the sponge is going to be inside the manatee. also im thinking when guybrush meets de cava there will be some joke about the voodoo ladies name. also im guessing morgan will team up with guybrush in order to escpae and once out capture him again. yeah no doubt murray will be in this chapter. also maybe there will be some little settlement inside the manatee or somthing, kinda like sin from FFX.
I think that escaping the manatee will be the "official end of chapter 2-unofficial chapter 3 prolouge" part (just like swordfight with Morgan LaFlay is not the beginning of chapter 2, but actually the end of chapter 1). The chapter itself will take place underwater. Most likely having DeCava's submarine being the main means of transportation. Maybe the Big Sponge will be found... but... you know... it just occured to me that, maybe, just maybe, Guybrush can't cure himself of LeChuck's pox because his poxed hand is still, well, HIS poxed hand?
Here's my theory (although it's not so much theory as COLD HARD FACT):
Guybrush, Morgan and Winslow are in the Manatee right now (also known as "the mouth"). The next chapter will probably start with the Manatee spitting them out by it's lair, an underwater cave or something - possibly beneath (or on) the rock of Gelato - which also happens to be the home of La Esponja Grande!. There they will find De Cava (who may be related to Morgan).
De Cava's story is as follows: he was working on a submarine to take him to the Lair of the Leviathan and La Esponja Grande!, but decided that the idea could never work because there wasn't going to be enough air for him in the sub, so he decided to make the golden animal thingmabobs out of fool's gold and summon the mouth (the manatee, that is) to take him to the lair. What he didn't think about was getting back; he's now stranded. This may be due to the mouth being a one-way deal, or it may be due to the fact that he used fool's gold to summon it.
Luckily, Morgan LaFlay was working with a modified version of the sub co-designed by De Singe in exchange for her skills (or maybe just designed by her), and if she can get the right parts (with help from us, of course), she can make a new one and take everyone back above water, with a big wad of La Esponja Grande! in hand to cure everyone.
Meanwhile... LeChuck and Elaine are out putting the monkeys back in their natural habitat. OR ARE THEY?! Maybe. I'm not sure, I haven't thought into this one much. What I do know, though, is that LeChuck has a hidden agenda, or will by the end of it, and wants to restore himself to his former undead glory, winning back Elaine in the process. Elaine is wise to this, however, and she's given Guybrush her ring as a "deposit" to show that she'll be back.
Upon returning to Flotsam, it becomes apparent that McGillicutty and/or De Singe have framed Guybrush. McGillicutty because he doesn't want the sponge to get out, and De Singe because he wants Guybrush's hot pirate body (and who better to experiment on, in the eyes of the law, than a prisoner - or one's corpse?). Guybrush will be executed promptly, but resurrected as a PIRATE GOD! shortly thereafter, by De Singe (inadvertently?), De Cava, the Voodoo Lady or (maybe) LeChuck. Either he will have to use his new awesome title to defeat the now more powerful than ever LeChuck, or he will have to use it to defeat De Singe (depending on who LeChuck is siding with - he may have resurrected Guybrush in order to get him to rid the world of De Singe, who would be a threat to his voodoo power).
Well, he's has not shown any signs of fear at anything, including the pox when Guybrush freaked out on him. The pox is what he was for over a decade, so there's no reason he wouldn't be able to handle himself. Elaine also seems to really like him now, so she might not actually freak out on him. Either that, or LeChuck is controlling the pox and is using it to make Elaine fall in love with him.
I reckon the overall theory of Morgan helping Guybrush to escape only to then capture him and take him back to Flotsam is pretty much how it will go, though it wouldn't surprise me if Telltale threw in a little something to keep us on our toes.
My main interest is in how the theory that the monkeys are the true evil threat is gaining credence the more the series goes on. And I, of course, welcome our new monkey overlords...
I reckon the overall theory of Morgan helping Guybrush to escape only to then capture him and take him back to Flotsam is pretty much how it will go, though it wouldn't surprise me if Telltale threw in a little something to keep us on our toes.
My main interest is in how the theory that the monkeys are the true evil threat is gaining credence the more the series goes on. And I, of course, welcome our new monkey overlords...
I agree with both points made here. The 13th monkey seemed pretty unpeturbed during the opening scene of chapter 1, then we saw LeChuck in silent whispers in chapter 2. Seeing as we're pesumably going to see cutscenes of LeChuck and Elaine ch3 (the Marquis front is already on focus with Le Flay), and a TT spokesman saying the series will get darker, I think the (otherwise very linear and predictable) chain of events in the chapter will get more complicated, involving the monkeys and the form of LeChuck's agenda.
Morgan seemed to recognize the Leviathan, when she said "I don't believe it". There could be some history there.
She also couldn;t believe that the 'Brush could hold his breath for 10 minutes.
I think it was more general "I've never seen anything like this before" Disbelief
I can't believe no one yet has suggested the obvious...
Guybrush will have to find the way out of the manatee, through the "path of the mouth".
We've had 2 episodes so far, 2 jungle mazes, basically. The 3rd episode will naturally have to include a journey through a gastro-intestinal maze, to properly escape from the innards of the giant manatee!
She also couldn;t believe that the 'Brush could hold his breath for 10 minutes.
I think it was more general "I've never seen anything like this before" Disbelief
I disagree, watch that scene closely particularly Morgan's expression, Morgan has seen Moby Dick right there before. I'm sure of it.
Morgan LeFlay will not Die! No one, with the exception of Largo Lagrande (I Think) and a few Skeleton Pirates, has ever died in a Monkey Island game. And by "Die" I mean gone, not turned into a skeleton or passed out from spiked cocktails.
Correct me if I'm wrong but certainly no one as likeable or with as much potential to be "good" has ever been killed off in a monkey island game
Morgan LeFlay will not Die! No one, with the exception of Largo Lagrande (I Think) and a few Skeleton Pirates, has ever died in a Monkey Island game. And by "Die" I mean gone, not turned into a skeleton or passed out from spiked cocktails.
Correct me if I'm wrong but certainly no one as likeable or with as much potential to be "good" has ever been killed off in a monkey island game
Morgan LeFlay will not Die! No one, with the exception of Largo Lagrande (I Think) and a few Skeleton Pirates, has ever died in a Monkey Island game. And by "Die" I mean gone, not turned into a skeleton or passed out from spiked cocktails.
Correct me if I'm wrong but certainly no one as likeable or with as much potential to be "good" has ever been killed off in a monkey island game
Yeah, and never has there been extreme violence or dismemberment, but Guybrush still got his hand violently cut off. Tales is new in many ways, and it has been said the game will go into some dark corners, death could be one of them. Not saying Morgan will die, but I think it's very possible and seems likely. We can't keep going by what they did in past games, this is a new game and you can tell by all the new additions and events.
Actually Guybrush isn't framed. He did commit wanton acts of piracy, even afte the Judge said he'd come down hard on any lawbreaker who misbehaved while he was away. Guybrush hs started a bar fight, dicovered treasure and worst of all sailed away on the only seawirthy ship, after changing the winds.
Good point, I forgot about Bob, however I did kind of include him in the skeleton pirates/ghosts who got killed by the root beer. I guess this could be considered different as from memory it is not essential for Guybrush to kill him.
Yeah, and never has there been extreme violence or dismemberment, but Guybrush still got his hand violently cut off. Tales is new in many ways, and it has been said the game will go into some dark corners, death could be one of them. Not saying Morgan will die, but I think it's very possible and seems likely. We can't keep going by what they did in past games, this is a new game and you can tell by all the new additions and events.
Fair points.
However, personally, I would not consider Guybrush's hand being cut off to be extreme violence. He was not in any pain, there was no blood, and the hand was a violent, troublesome, disfigured, pox-ridden thing anyway. Guybrush was not particular worried about losing it, despite his initial protest, and he seemed quite chuffed upon acquiring his hook hand. I found his hand getting cut off as humour, rather than any dark morbidity.
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In getting out of the Manatee, Morgan and Guybrush have to work together, bringing them closer in the process. Guybrush is getting fed up with the way his Plunder Bunny (Elaine) is treating him and is also worried she is falling for LeChuck, so sees this pretty Morgan prancing about, who idolizes him. How can he pass this up? He is a pirate, after all. He even offered in the final scene for her to join his crew, leaving Winslow behind! He's definitely capable, imo. Elaine didn't even kiss him during Spinner Cay and she gave him her ring back!
Murray will be either inside the manatee or at its final destination. De Cava could be there, with more information about the Sponge and its whereabouts. Cutscenes (seeing as nothing will progress on the De Singe front) will take the form of the side-plot between LeChuck and Elaine.
The entire episode will take place underwater. 'Leviathan' could take one of two forms, given the ambiguous dictionary definition: it could be a dragon/snake/Loch Ness Monster type thing (Old Testament Torah/Bible) or the Moby Dick manatee thing that swallowed them (Modern Hebrew for whale is 'Leviathian'). If whale/manatee, then the lair could be inside it or its underwater home. Else, the manatee will deliver them to the Sea Monster's haunt (or not too far away, perhaps with De Cava's submarine in sight).
Whatever happens during the episode, whoever finds the sponge, whoever's in posession of it, whatever happens to it, Morgan will remember her agreement with De Singe and return him to Flotsam Island. Cue a function for the courtroom: the Trial of Guybrush Threepwood (and Chapter 4). He will be placed under house arrest. After a puzzle or two are complete, the trial will unfold. At the end, Threepwood will escape Jack Sparrow style, perhaps with Le Flay's help (she already has De Singe's money). She will die in the process.
Now that Guybrush's new love interest has died, he reverts to the old one. He hunts LeChuck and Elaine down, and learns what they've been up to, along with LeChuck's hidden agenda. LeChuck returns to his evil ways and takes one of his more dangerous guises. The Pirate God has risen, and is thus reborn.
That almost sounds like PotC3: At World's End, where they actually find World's End and spend very little time there before managing to escape.
And then Morgan will double-cross Guybrush and bring him back to Flotsam's Court. Once he's been put to 'death' [for all his Caribbean crimes], DeSinge is free to do with him as he wishes.
Yeah, but I don't think the chapter title refers to the inside of the manatee itself, so I don't think people are expecting too much time in it. That would be disappointing to me as the title to me seems like a dark barren underwater cavern inhabited by a dangerous beast that could appear around any corner just like LeChuck at the end of Monkey island 2. But that's just me. I think Chapter 3 is where the series will take a very dark turn into deeper themes and stories.
Strange as it may sem, I'd still love to have the Narwhal back. Call me a loon, but due to Winslow's ramblings, I really came to appreciate its (hers
LeChuck may be acting good, but he defiantly can still take care of himself.
That is exactly what sprung to mind when I saw that gigantic apparatus appear. Meh, good memories!
If we are to spend some time inside the beast (if only brief), I am looking forward to how they're going to make it come to life.. visually.
Morgan will probably be enjoying herself immensly. She's fought Guybrush, and now she's on an adventure with her idol (not that she won't hand him over when this is done).
Become more piratey
A peg leg and an eye patch
Uhhhhh. :rolleyes:
I had an idea in mind that Morgan will be the one who'll hand Guybrush over (money, professional approach, and such) AND also be the one who'll eventually save him, or at least try to (fanboyism... uhm... fangirlism).
the map threepwood
There may well be other ships in the leviathan and maybe a whole village made up of ship debris. I would like there to be some diving like at the docks on melee island or diving for the mad monkey head. Morgan's limitation of only being able to hold her breath for five minutes will prevent her from solving a puzzle or reaching the next area and needs Guybrush's help. Oh, you will be able to control another character for the first time in the series, I believe.
Winslow or someone else takes control of the Narwahl and you need to reclaim it in an even more elaborate way. The wedding ring will have significance, Guybrush might lose it and go after it and Morgan may not like it.
Leviathan (pronounced /lɨˈvaɪ.əθən/; Hebrew: לִוְיָתָן, Modern Livyatan Tiberian Liwyāṯān ; "twisted, coiled"), is a sea monster referred to in the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament). The word leviathan has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature. In Christian tradition, the Leviathan is associated with Satan. In modern literature (such as the novel Moby-Dick) it refers to great whales, and in Modern Hebrew, it means simply "whale."
ARRGHH - get thee behind me Leviathan!
huh, i think it could better if the episodes will be longer than they are... it's not cool when MI 4 looks longer than this better-fan-considered piece of the saga
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Just my thoughts
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Even against a pox possessed Elaine?
Guybrush, Morgan and Winslow are in the Manatee right now (also known as "the mouth"). The next chapter will probably start with the Manatee spitting them out by it's lair, an underwater cave or something - possibly beneath (or on) the rock of Gelato - which also happens to be the home of La Esponja Grande!. There they will find De Cava (who may be related to Morgan).
De Cava's story is as follows: he was working on a submarine to take him to the Lair of the Leviathan and La Esponja Grande!, but decided that the idea could never work because there wasn't going to be enough air for him in the sub, so he decided to make the golden animal thingmabobs out of fool's gold and summon the mouth (the manatee, that is) to take him to the lair. What he didn't think about was getting back; he's now stranded. This may be due to the mouth being a one-way deal, or it may be due to the fact that he used fool's gold to summon it.
Luckily, Morgan LaFlay was working with a modified version of the sub co-designed by De Singe in exchange for her skills (or maybe just designed by her), and if she can get the right parts (with help from us, of course), she can make a new one and take everyone back above water, with a big wad of La Esponja Grande! in hand to cure everyone.
Meanwhile... LeChuck and Elaine are out putting the monkeys back in their natural habitat. OR ARE THEY?! Maybe. I'm not sure, I haven't thought into this one much. What I do know, though, is that LeChuck has a hidden agenda, or will by the end of it, and wants to restore himself to his former undead glory, winning back Elaine in the process. Elaine is wise to this, however, and she's given Guybrush her ring as a "deposit" to show that she'll be back.
Upon returning to Flotsam, it becomes apparent that McGillicutty and/or De Singe have framed Guybrush. McGillicutty because he doesn't want the sponge to get out, and De Singe because he wants Guybrush's hot pirate body (and who better to experiment on, in the eyes of the law, than a prisoner - or one's corpse?). Guybrush will be executed promptly, but resurrected as a PIRATE GOD! shortly thereafter, by De Singe (inadvertently?), De Cava, the Voodoo Lady or (maybe) LeChuck. Either he will have to use his new awesome title to defeat the now more powerful than ever LeChuck, or he will have to use it to defeat De Singe (depending on who LeChuck is siding with - he may have resurrected Guybrush in order to get him to rid the world of De Singe, who would be a threat to his voodoo power).
And that's how it happened.
Well, he's has not shown any signs of fear at anything, including the pox when Guybrush freaked out on him. The pox is what he was for over a decade, so there's no reason he wouldn't be able to handle himself. Elaine also seems to really like him now, so she might not actually freak out on him. Either that, or LeChuck is controlling the pox and is using it to make Elaine fall in love with him.
My main interest is in how the theory that the monkeys are the true evil threat is gaining credence the more the series goes on. And I, of course, welcome our new monkey overlords...
I agree with both points made here. The 13th monkey seemed pretty unpeturbed during the opening scene of chapter 1, then we saw LeChuck in silent whispers in chapter 2. Seeing as we're pesumably going to see cutscenes of LeChuck and Elaine ch3 (the Marquis front is already on focus with Le Flay), and a TT spokesman saying the series will get darker, I think the (otherwise very linear and predictable) chain of events in the chapter will get more complicated, involving the monkeys and the form of LeChuck's agenda.
She also couldn;t believe that the 'Brush could hold his breath for 10 minutes.
I think it was more general "I've never seen anything like this before" Disbelief
Would've been for me too, but I was playing on my small-screened laptop so it turns out I've actually seen several bigger manatees.
Guybrush will have to find the way out of the manatee, through the "path of the mouth".
We've had 2 episodes so far, 2 jungle mazes, basically. The 3rd episode will naturally have to include a journey through a gastro-intestinal maze, to properly escape from the innards of the giant manatee!
Correct me if I'm wrong but certainly no one as likeable or with as much potential to be "good" has ever been killed off in a monkey island game
Why seen it before? The giant manatee is probably a legend that she's heard of
what about bob
Yeah, and never has there been extreme violence or dismemberment, but Guybrush still got his hand violently cut off. Tales is new in many ways, and it has been said the game will go into some dark corners, death could be one of them. Not saying Morgan will die, but I think it's very possible and seems likely. We can't keep going by what they did in past games, this is a new game and you can tell by all the new additions and events.
Fair points.
However, personally, I would not consider Guybrush's hand being cut off to be extreme violence. He was not in any pain, there was no blood, and the hand was a violent, troublesome, disfigured, pox-ridden thing anyway. Guybrush was not particular worried about losing it, despite his initial protest, and he seemed quite chuffed upon acquiring his hook hand. I found his hand getting cut off as humour, rather than any dark morbidity.