A safari vote system wouldn't work. a lot of mac users dump safari for firefox and safari is available for windows. my vote for strongbad was because every other Telltale game is known to work perfectly in Mac using Crossover for Mac with a trick that takes two seconds to do.
I understand your want for Sam and Max, I would love it too. but I am currently playing it on mac almost natively. face it, poll votes are ways to give your selfish opinion
A safari vote system wouldn't work. a lot of mac users dump safari for firefox and safari is available for windows. my vote for strongbad was because every other Telltale game is known to work perfectly in Mac using Crossover for Mac with a trick that takes two seconds to do.
I had no idea there was safari for windows--but why wouldn't there be I guess.
I'm not really feeling the crossover argument though. It's not a free program and I can't really see a great use for it, especially now that my sole reason for dual booting has been erased--or will be soon.
Anoucer: "And Strong Bad taking a tremendous 11% leap in the poles over Sam & Max! And it looks there is no hope for Wallace and Gromit, I almost feel sorry for the two, almost..."
Um, you do know that websites can tell what OS you are running, right? It doesn't matter what browser you are using. Look at this website for proof. I know this is a very random website to pick, but I couldn't think of any others that did this. Scroll down to the very bottom of the site and it will have your browser and OS written there. So it is possible to limit the vote to mac users!
I'm sure Strong Bad is a fine property, but I wish Sam & Max were still winning. Like many, I wonder if this poll represents what Mac users want, or simply what mass voters from a fanatic based fansite want. It'd be like asking 4-chan or SomethingAwful.com users to vote on world peace or a game about 4-chan or Somethingawful.com. We would not have world peace.
That only makes sense if you assume that the distribution of Mac users is skewed towards people who voted for Sam & Max or Wallace & Gromits. Homestar Runner fans use Macs as well.
You could say that more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans heard about the poll, but that's more because there are more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans.
That only makes sense if you assume that the distribution of Mac users is skewed towards people who voted for Sam & Max or Wallace & Gromits. Homestar Runner fans use Macs as well.
You could say that more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans heard about the poll, but that's more because there are more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans.
Actually, it makes sense either way since I speculated without making a statement. I said that I "wondered" about it, not that I was making a definitive statement of fact. Therefor, what I said makes sense period.
What you said would only make sense if I had, in any way, made the claim you think I did.
A safari vote system wouldn't work. a lot of mac users dump safari for firefox and safari is available for windows. my vote for strongbad was because every other Telltale game is known to work perfectly in Mac using Crossover for Mac with a trick that takes two seconds to do.
I understand your want for Sam and Max, I would love it too. but I am currently playing it on mac almost natively. face it, poll votes are ways to give your selfish opinion
Well.
First of all, Crossover is not free at all. It costs 50 $.
Second, it runs, but it runs lame. Missing graphics are one thing, but performance is another. Oh yeah, so cool, I can run Sam&Max laggy in a small resolution with glitches, I’m so happy, great. It’s pointless.
Third, I’m quite sure a vast majority of Mac Users don’t bother with crossover things, because Mac spirit is just «*simple and smart*». And crossover is not a simple thing at all. Bottles are not elegant. I still don’t fully understand how it works. And I don’t intend to. ^^
The main purpose of making the game for mac is to open a new market. Not just letting the few geeks using crossover for that (and having bootcamp I suppose, would you buy a game if you don’t know if it can run ?) be able at last to play SBCG4AP on their amazing experimental emulation thingamabob.
I must confess, the only reason why I have this Windows 7 RC installed on my Mac was for Sam&Max, Secret of Monkey Island SE, and Tales of Monkey Island. I don’t plan to run it again.
And I don’t complain at all about the vote, I don’t know who voted and why, so I suppose it’s just a fair poll, and if my selfish opinion lose, I’ll just wait. SB are probably excellent games if you like the style (I tried to understand, but I still can’t laugh, I’m probably not comfortable enough with north american culture ^^), and if more people want Strong Bad for Mac, so it be ^^
You could say that more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans heard about the poll, but that's more because there are more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans.
I'm totally sure is probably both things. Because if were only for amount of fans, I'm sure Wallace and Gromit kick asses every day =P
Second, it runs, but it runs lame. Missing graphics are one thing, but performance is another. Oh yeah, so cool, I can run Sam&Max laggy in a small resolution with glitches, I’m so happy, great. It’s pointless.
I run it full resolution, no missing graphics. my only glitch is when I'm playing it for 5 hours straight it finally freezes, and if you are playing the same game for 5 hours straight It's time to stop playing.
Third, I’m quite sure a vast majority of Mac Users don’t bother with crossover things, because Mac spirit is just «*simple and smart*». And crossover is not a simple thing at all. Bottles are not elegant. I still don’t fully understand how it works. And I don’t intend to. ^^
The main purpose of making the game for mac is to open a new market. Not just letting the few geeks using crossover for that (and having bootcamp I suppose, would you buy a game if you don’t know if it can run ?) be able at last to play SBCG4AP on their amazing experimental emulation thingamabob.
1. Geeks are not a minority. The majority of people using macs are geeks who know different websites. I use crossover because Boot Camp takes up a lot of space, Crossover takes up as much space as the things you install in it.
2. WiNE is not an emulator
3. the point of voting it is not to get it to work in crossover, because it does not work in crossover as it is. if it doesn't work in crossover it wont work until an update lets it. In my case, I'm just impatient and want to play my copy of 8-bit is enough for once.
I don't fully understand how bottles work either, but I know enough to make stuff work.
I run it full resolution, no missing graphics. my only glitch is when I'm playing it for 5 hours straight it finally freezes, and if you are playing the same game for 5 hours straight It's time to stop playing.
I don’t know what to say, except you’ve got a great computer. It’s not working like that for me. I see glitches. I don’t see bump mapping. Reflection’s buggy. It’s very slow (I’m using a 27 inch iMac). So when it does not work, and that’s why I’m on a Mac and not on a PC, I just stop and find something else interesting to do.
1. Geeks are not a minority. The majority of people using macs are geeks who know different websites. I use crossover because Boot Camp takes up a lot of space, Crossover takes up as much space as the things you install in it.
2. WiNE is not an emulator
I totally disagree with your vision of the Mac « community ». Among the large amount of people I know using a Mac (IRL, boards and websites communities are often just the passionate core, almost nerdy, side), only a very little few have ever heard of Crossover. And the others will probably never. Who would pay for an emulator thingy (yay I know, WINE Is Not An Emulator, but to be honest, I don’t want to copy three pages about how it works just to be accurate), and buy programs for that, without knowing if it will work at all ? Yeah, if you have to, of course. But game is entertainment, you don’t have to play it. It’s supposed to be just an entertainment. Simple and easy to access, simple and easy to run. I fix the printer at the office when I need to print something. I’m paid for that. I don’t fix the track of a roller-coaster before jumping in. I pay for that.
so you know, I'm using my dad's old first gen macbook pro, which is likely as good as your iMac if it is from like last year. if it's also one of the first with the intel chip I get it.
the people I know who use mac's IRL are my parents and my Grandma who switched to mac because she was tired of viruses. my parents and I are her tech support.
Tell the truth I love being my own tech support. I had fun trying all of the differen't ways I could try to get Sam and Max to work without boot camp.
I get people are not all like that. but elections and that like this people are voting for their sellfish wants anyway, so lets leave it at that.
BTW, with tax in my state that would come out to about 42-45 bucks.
no I didn't do the math, I just no it's not enough to make it 50
I think it's acceptable as is. No research necessary.
I didn't mean acceptable for here, but acceptable in general by producing a fair result. Now that I thought about it some more I think though that it is probably not possible to show a fair result if you give up precision.
But since the results we see here are most likely just an approximation for display, and the actual results will be based on the precise values, that all doesn't really matter.
I think Telltale is already programming Sam & Max to Mac, and they had to extend the voting time in order to give Sam & Max a chance to win The latest percentage back this theory...
Hehe. I wonder if the votes from MacWorld have been counted yet. It would be funny if they were overwhelmingly for Wallace & Gromit giving it a last-minute victory.
In terms of statistical analysis that's perfectly within parameters. There's a lot of social science I could talk about in terms of using this type of data to determine significance. It's all very nerdy though, so I won't.
What I will say is that years of statistics specifically geared towards human trends has led to plenty of rounding based situations when you have more than 100% of something.
With most statistical categories you have a +/- which data can fall into to still express validity. In a poll it's not going to be as 5% because it's a pretty straightforward situation, but 1% (or less as is likely the case with this) is pretty standard.
Although, you could argue that if the question was which is more popular Sam and Max or Strong Bad (which was not the question since the question actually included a third variable) that the data would be different. At the moment if we try to answer the question of which of the top two vote getters is more popular using this data then we're being very poor social scientists and moving into a +/- error territory of nearly ten percent. That's completely invalid.
Again, we're not looking at it from that perspective officially, so I wouldn't stress too much about the ratios. That's how statistics works, even when dealing with nationwide issues.
Thankfully, because even I find what I just said boring, I don't use my sociology degree for anything.
I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I voted for Sam & Max because it's the right thing to do. On the other, I just bought Strong Bad at $9.99 with nothing to play it on because it looks like it will win in the polls.
So I guess I just have to look at it as a win-win.
I think Telltale is already programming Sam & Max to Mac, and they had to extend the voting time in order to give Sam & Max a chance to win The latest percentage back this theory...
If Sam & Max pull out a win because of the deadline extension, I'm going to start pondering conspiracy theories. So far, I back this one:
If there was a conspiracy then Telltale would announce Sam & Max season 3, a heap of Sam & Max fans would hit the site and they'd easily win in the poll.. :rolleyes:
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I understand your want for Sam and Max, I would love it too. but I am currently playing it on mac almost natively. face it, poll votes are ways to give your selfish opinion
Wait, And Strong Bad no?
I had no idea there was safari for windows--but why wouldn't there be I guess.
I'm not really feeling the crossover argument though. It's not a free program and I can't really see a great use for it, especially now that my sole reason for dual booting has been erased--or will be soon.
That approach is trivial to bypass though, because that's just the content of the HTTP User-Agent Header Field, that can be easily changed.
You could say that more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans heard about the poll, but that's more because there are more Homestar Runner fans than Sam & Max fans.
Actually, it makes sense either way since I speculated without making a statement. I said that I "wondered" about it, not that I was making a definitive statement of fact. Therefor, what I said makes sense period.
What you said would only make sense if I had, in any way, made the claim you think I did.
Well.
First of all, Crossover is not free at all. It costs 50 $.
Second, it runs, but it runs lame. Missing graphics are one thing, but performance is another. Oh yeah, so cool, I can run Sam&Max laggy in a small resolution with glitches, I’m so happy, great. It’s pointless.
Third, I’m quite sure a vast majority of Mac Users don’t bother with crossover things, because Mac spirit is just «*simple and smart*». And crossover is not a simple thing at all. Bottles are not elegant. I still don’t fully understand how it works. And I don’t intend to. ^^
The main purpose of making the game for mac is to open a new market. Not just letting the few geeks using crossover for that (and having bootcamp I suppose, would you buy a game if you don’t know if it can run ?) be able at last to play SBCG4AP on their amazing experimental emulation thingamabob.
I must confess, the only reason why I have this Windows 7 RC installed on my Mac was for Sam&Max, Secret of Monkey Island SE, and Tales of Monkey Island. I don’t plan to run it again.
And I don’t complain at all about the vote, I don’t know who voted and why, so I suppose it’s just a fair poll, and if my selfish opinion lose, I’ll just wait. SB are probably excellent games if you like the style (I tried to understand, but I still can’t laugh, I’m probably not comfortable enough with north american culture ^^), and if more people want Strong Bad for Mac, so it be ^^
Somebody flood the vote for Bone!!
...oh wait
I'm totally sure is probably both things. Because if were only for amount of fans, I'm sure Wallace and Gromit kick asses every day =P
I run it full resolution, no missing graphics. my only glitch is when I'm playing it for 5 hours straight it finally freezes, and if you are playing the same game for 5 hours straight It's time to stop playing.
1. Geeks are not a minority. The majority of people using macs are geeks who know different websites. I use crossover because Boot Camp takes up a lot of space, Crossover takes up as much space as the things you install in it.
2. WiNE is not an emulator
3. the point of voting it is not to get it to work in crossover, because it does not work in crossover as it is. if it doesn't work in crossover it wont work until an update lets it. In my case, I'm just impatient and want to play my copy of 8-bit is enough for once.
I don't fully understand how bottles work either, but I know enough to make stuff work.
I get your point on the rest of it.
Sorry, here in France it costs 50$ (37€). But maybe you’re talking about excluding tax prices.
I don’t know what to say, except you’ve got a great computer. It’s not working like that for me. I see glitches. I don’t see bump mapping. Reflection’s buggy. It’s very slow (I’m using a 27 inch iMac). So when it does not work, and that’s why I’m on a Mac and not on a PC, I just stop and find something else interesting to do.
I totally disagree with your vision of the Mac « community ». Among the large amount of people I know using a Mac (IRL, boards and websites communities are often just the passionate core, almost nerdy, side), only a very little few have ever heard of Crossover. And the others will probably never. Who would pay for an emulator thingy (yay I know, WINE Is Not An Emulator, but to be honest, I don’t want to copy three pages about how it works just to be accurate), and buy programs for that, without knowing if it will work at all ? Yeah, if you have to, of course. But game is entertainment, you don’t have to play it. It’s supposed to be just an entertainment. Simple and easy to access, simple and easy to run. I fix the printer at the office when I need to print something. I’m paid for that. I don’t fix the track of a roller-coaster before jumping in. I pay for that.
the people I know who use mac's IRL are my parents and my Grandma who switched to mac because she was tired of viruses. my parents and I are her tech support.
Tell the truth I love being my own tech support. I had fun trying all of the differen't ways I could try to get Sam and Max to work without boot camp.
I get people are not all like that. but elections and that like this people are voting for their sellfish wants anyway, so lets leave it at that.
BTW, with tax in my state that would come out to about 42-45 bucks.
no I didn't do the math, I just no it's not enough to make it 50
Yes, but that's probably just cosmetics. It is not trivial to get that right dynamically. The question is, who gets the fractions.
Look at this example:
We have 22 Votes:
3 for A
7 for B
12 for C
Therefore 22 votes = 100%, and 1 vote = 100%/22.
Let's display the percents and cut off at 3 fractional digits:
3 => 13.636% for A
7 => 31.818% for B
12 => 54.545% for C
22 => 99.999% Total
It get's worse if we want just integer values, because we have to decide what to do with the fractions.
Some examples:
floor: 13% + 31% + 54% = 98%
ceil: 14% + 32% + 55% = 101%
round: 14% + 32% + 55% = 101%
It's actually an interesting problem to think about, but there probably is an acceptable solution that can be found with a little research.
I didn't mean acceptable for here, but acceptable in general by producing a fair result. Now that I thought about it some more I think though that it is probably not possible to show a fair result if you give up precision.
But since the results we see here are most likely just an approximation for display, and the actual results will be based on the precise values, that all doesn't really matter.
I kid, I kid... or do I?
In terms of statistical analysis that's perfectly within parameters. There's a lot of social science I could talk about in terms of using this type of data to determine significance. It's all very nerdy though, so I won't.
What I will say is that years of statistics specifically geared towards human trends has led to plenty of rounding based situations when you have more than 100% of something.
With most statistical categories you have a +/- which data can fall into to still express validity. In a poll it's not going to be as 5% because it's a pretty straightforward situation, but 1% (or less as is likely the case with this) is pretty standard.
Although, you could argue that if the question was which is more popular Sam and Max or Strong Bad (which was not the question since the question actually included a third variable) that the data would be different. At the moment if we try to answer the question of which of the top two vote getters is more popular using this data then we're being very poor social scientists and moving into a +/- error territory of nearly ten percent. That's completely invalid.
Again, we're not looking at it from that perspective officially, so I wouldn't stress too much about the ratios. That's how statistics works, even when dealing with nationwide issues.
Thankfully, because even I find what I just said boring, I don't use my sociology degree for anything.
So I guess I just have to look at it as a win-win.
If Sam & Max pull out a win because of the deadline extension, I'm going to start pondering conspiracy theories. So far, I back this one:
No a conspiracy is if they extend it even longer and Wallace and gromit somehow get up and win.
Now I can delete my Windows VM.
Kudos for making the step!
If there was a conspiracy then Telltale would announce Sam & Max season 3, a heap of Sam & Max fans would hit the site and they'd easily win in the poll.. :rolleyes:
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