I totally understand now why the removing the DeLorean from the mines is flawed and that it would actualy kill Doc past the year 1955.
BTW about Biff being in pain (and fading away in the deleted scene) after returning from the past what was supposed to have caused that, was it the fact that, that Biff no longer exists and another does or was it that him tampering with the past somehow got him killed at an earlier age?
I never thought the ravine was named after Marty a.k.a Eastwood solely because he supposedly 'fell' in it. I always considered the option that it was just named after him because of his heroic deeds in Hill Valley and then suddenly disappearing. So the ravine could still be named after him in honor.
Well, it's not like Hill Valley's people just didn't have any other way to honor him but to name the ravine. There has to be a reason why they named the ravine after him. The most-logical explanation I've found is that in the "Eastwood" ravine universe, it's named after him because everybody now knows him as "The man that defeated Buford Tannen" and the train's engineer recognized these two guys as the ones who asked about if the train could get up to 90. Making connections would lead them to "Clint" and Emmett. As they supposed he went under with the speeding locomotive, they named the ravine after him. They could have named a street or something closer to town otherwise.
And Marty does remember it being smashed, as it is said in the Episode's description. It's not our point of view, but Marty's.
However they explain the time machine, as long as they DO explain it, I'll be pleased with it.
So, I gather you'll be pleased with something like this?:
Marty: But... Doc, it was destroyed!
Doc: Marty, you're not thinking fourth-dimensionally! I had time to build a new one!
Marty: But why? Didn't you have one Time Machine already?
Doc: The Time Train? Oh please, Marty, forget about it. Don't know what I was thinking... Well, I guess it's just that I couldn't build a Time Machine out of a horse or carriage... But, anyway, DeLorean's so much cooler! And the enforced steel construction helps the flux dispersal!
^ Six months after the events of the third film, the DeLorean Time Machine mysteriously returns to Hill Valley--- driverless!
when the DeLorean Time Machine he saw destroyed by a speeding train materializes before him
Taken from the site.
I am taking a psychological approach;
If TellTale plans on introducing a second DeLorean they would've chosen their words more carefully. From these sentences one can only conclude that they plan on bringing THAT DeLorean back.
^ Six months after the events of the third film, the DeLorean Time Machine mysteriously returns to Hill Valley--- driverless!
when the DeLorean Time Machine he saw destroyed by a speeding train materializes before him
Taken from the site.
I am taking a psychological approach;
If TellTale plans on introducing a second DeLorean they would've chosen their words more carefully. From these sentences one can only conclude that they plan on bringing THAT DeLorean back.
That's no proof. Refer to my little dialogue I've posted TellTale just depicts Marty's feelings. You said yourself that he wasn't expecting to see a DeLorean, and yeah, he didn't. Because he saw it destroyed, because he didn't think Doc would build a Time Machine from another DeLorean, but if it's a new DeLorean or an old one is yet to be seen
So, I gather you'll be pleased with something like this?:
Marty: But... Doc, it was destroyed!
Doc: Marty, you're not thinking fourth-dimensionally! I had time to build a new one!
Marty: But why? Didn't you have one Time Machine already?
Doc: The Time Train? Oh please, Marty, forget about it. Don't know what I was thinking... Well, I guess it's just that I couldn't build a Time Machine out of a horse or carriage... But, anyway, DeLorean's so much cooler! And the enforced steel construction helps the flux dispersal!
The whole thing about Marty remembering the DeLorean being smashed means it must have been smashed and that going back and preventing it from being smashed would change his memory of the DeLorean being smashed isnt true.
When Marty returned to the future at the end of BTTF 1 he still remembered his parents being different despite the fact that that all changed from going into the past. So this shows that changing the past doesnt change the memory Marty had of the previous reality.
And it wasnt Marty being in a different time that let him hold onto his previous memory because it is shown by Marty fading away while on stage playing the guitar that shows that being in a different time doesnt stop you from being affected.
It could just be a marketing ploy . They say the DeLorean to put the original machine in your mind, but in BTTF time travel logic is not possible
Exactly! It would be a marketing ploy! Which I don't see TellTale doing because a lot of people are going to feel cheated out if they wanted it to be the original DeLorean.
That's why I said they should've written it more carefully. In a more ambigious way. In a way that the answer to whether it's a new DeLorean or the old is left in the middle.
I'll admit I won't be that disappointed if it turns out to be a new DeLorean, if it's explained well and had compromises.
But I hope to see that TellTale is going to build a story around and through the original trilogy instead of just behind it.
The whole thing about Marty remembering the DeLorean being smashed means it must have been smashed and that going back and preventing it from being smashed would change his memory of the DeLorean being smashed isnt true.
When Marty returned to the future at the end of BTTF 1 he still remembered his parents being different despite the fact that that all changed from going into the past. So this shows that changing the past doesnt change the memory Marty had of the previous reality.
And it wasnt Marty being in a different time that let him hold onto his previous memory because it is shown by Marty fading away while on stage playing the guitar that shows that being in a different time doesnt stop you from being affected.
The Time TravellER keeps the memories intact, but if he changes something, he creates alternate timelines in which he then operates. Marty remembers his old parents because he was the Time TravellER (though the second Marty he sees should remember only the new parents). If a Time TravellER who isn't Marty would save the DeLorean, that Time TravellER would then operate in a timeline where Marty (not being a Time TravellER) hasn't seen the DeLorean destroyed. If Marty himself is the Time TravelER to prevent the DeLorean from being destroyed... well, he already has seen it destroyed, I guess, otherwise why he would try to prevent it?
Why would we be returning to Twin Pines Mall and Lone Pine Mall?
Answer me that, huh?!
That's no proof of anything. We know with this Citizen Brown stuff that Marty and Doc mess up big time in 1931, so that can mean anything. But it certainly doesn't contribute in any way to the old/new DeLorean argument.
I have fate in my deductive reasoning skills.
I have practiced for years! *points at piles of golden age mysteries and Detective Conan manga vol 1 - 14*
No point in leaving the forum over somethin like this. :P After all, there's no real evidence either way. We probably won't know for sure until Episode 1 comes out.
Yep, no point in leaving the forums . And I don't need faith, I'm driven by reason
I believe a second DeLorean has more valid and logic reasons than bringing back the original; reasons that go according to canon material, not changing anything seen on screen and, if coming back to a time in the Trilogy, would be in an Off-Screen time, where they can't interact with the actions seen On-Screen, like in BTTF2.
Sorry, but "it'd be lousy/lazy writing" and "TTG's marketing strategies" don't go for me as valid arguments
You just know the Telltale guys are all reading this thread and chuckling to themselves about how we're all completely off-base about how the DeLorean returns and whether it's the new or old one.
You just know the Telltale guys are all reading this thread and chuckling to themselves about how we're all completely off-base about how the DeLorean returns and whether it's the new or old one.
^^^If I were in their shoes, I'd be doing the same exact thing. As carlos said, it's part of the fun.
They're all probably thinking: "Wow, that Origami is smart. Has been right so far about everything plot-wise. We should hire him to write the next games' script."
I'm pretty sure that media advertising the second Terminator movie used very similar wording that suggested that the terminator from the first movie was "back."
I'm pretty sure that media advertising the second Terminator movie used very similar wording that suggested that the terminator from the first movie was "back."
Owh but he was. Only programmed differently.
Granted it's a different copy but it was already established in T1 that there exist more than one. It doesn't feel out of place to send a second one since there was already some sort of set up.
With BttF however I could never think these DeLoreans would go in mass production.
In BttF1 Doc even said ""It has me my entire family fortune to realize the vision of that day"
He has gone so far in lengths to realize his creation. And now suddenly he has made a second one. No. To me THE DeLorean is the one that send Marty back in time for the first time. That had the malfunctions. The one that 'learned' to fly in the second and got hit by lightning etc etc.
In BttF1 Doc even said ""It has me my entire family fortune to realize the vision of that day"
The prototype is always the most expensive--a lot of trial and error involved. With a second, Doc could learn from his mistakes, and build a much faster and cheaper model. Plus, we already see in Part II that he's prepared for any financial situation.
I don't know why some of you seem to think that the original DeLorean could be this one without creating a paradox.
* If post-BTTF3-Doc were to go back to 1885 while Marty was there and take Marty back to the future, Doc risks tampering with his own past because he and Marty were on the train together trying to both return to the future in BTTF3.
* BTTF doesn't work like Bill&Ted. Doc can't plan to put the DeLorean back where/when he got it when he's done with it and expect the continuum to not change things when he takes it. Doc can't take the car from the mine without risking a paradox. He might as well steal it from the train tracks in the middle of the night on 1885 or from his garage in 1955.
* Doc is very concerned about disrupting the timeline in the movies. He wouldn't dare to purposefully tamper with equipment his other self was going to use and risk a paradox.
* Doc would have no opportunity in which to go back and take Marty from 1885. After Marty has the fight with Tannen, Doc and Marty immediately leave to catch the train. 1885 Doc is with Marty the whole time during the train heist, and post-BTT3 Doc wouldn't risk meeting his other self.
Why does it have to be the DeLorean? Why can't it be a DeLorean?
I think you're placing too much sentimental value on the car. The car was destroyed, and Doc wouldn't risk altering the timeline by stealing it from himself. That's just ludicrous. The only reasonable options would be for Doc to build a new DeLorean time machine after BTTF3 or to have built a backup time machine before BTTF1 or after he travels to the future by himself.
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Okay, I was wrong about that. I admit.
Still........I believe it will be the old DeLorean and I have proof.
I totally understand now why the removing the DeLorean from the mines is flawed and that it would actualy kill Doc past the year 1955.
BTW about Biff being in pain (and fading away in the deleted scene) after returning from the past what was supposed to have caused that, was it the fact that, that Biff no longer exists and another does or was it that him tampering with the past somehow got him killed at an earlier age?
He got shot by Lorraine in 1996 if I remember correctly.
Bob Gale said so on the dvd commentary.
They decided to leave this scene somewhat ambigious though and wanted viewers to speculate what could've happend to Biff.
Oh ok,
so it was only mentioned in the commentary, not in the movie?
Well, it's not like Hill Valley's people just didn't have any other way to honor him but to name the ravine. There has to be a reason why they named the ravine after him. The most-logical explanation I've found is that in the "Eastwood" ravine universe, it's named after him because everybody now knows him as "The man that defeated Buford Tannen" and the train's engineer recognized these two guys as the ones who asked about if the train could get up to 90. Making connections would lead them to "Clint" and Emmett. As they supposed he went under with the speeding locomotive, they named the ravine after him. They could have named a street or something closer to town otherwise.
And Marty does remember it being smashed, as it is said in the Episode's description. It's not our point of view, but Marty's.
I'm a reasonable man. Show me proof, and I will get laid off your back
Would've served 1985A Biff right.
However they explain the time machine, as long as they DO explain it, I'll be pleased with it.
So, I gather you'll be pleased with something like this?:
Marty: But... Doc, it was destroyed!
Doc: Marty, you're not thinking fourth-dimensionally! I had time to build a new one!
Marty: But why? Didn't you have one Time Machine already?
Doc: The Time Train? Oh please, Marty, forget about it. Don't know what I was thinking... Well, I guess it's just that I couldn't build a Time Machine out of a horse or carriage... But, anyway, DeLorean's so much cooler! And the enforced steel construction helps the flux dispersal!
Six months after the events of the third film, the DeLorean Time Machine mysteriously returns to Hill Valley--- driverless!
when the DeLorean Time Machine he saw destroyed by a speeding train materializes before him
Taken from the site.
I am taking a psychological approach;
If TellTale plans on introducing a second DeLorean they would've chosen their words more carefully. From these sentences one can only conclude that they plan on bringing THAT DeLorean back.
inb4islousyproof
That's no proof. Refer to my little dialogue I've posted
Still, if I get a valid and logic explanation, I'll analize and accept, if fits.
Yes, actually.
When Marty returned to the future at the end of BTTF 1 he still remembered his parents being different despite the fact that that all changed from going into the past. So this shows that changing the past doesnt change the memory Marty had of the previous reality.
And it wasnt Marty being in a different time that let him hold onto his previous memory because it is shown by Marty fading away while on stage playing the guitar that shows that being in a different time doesnt stop you from being affected.
Exactly! It would be a marketing ploy! Which I don't see TellTale doing because a lot of people are going to feel cheated out if they wanted it to be the original DeLorean.
That's why I said they should've written it more carefully. In a more ambigious way. In a way that the answer to whether it's a new DeLorean or the old is left in the middle.
I'll admit I won't be that disappointed if it turns out to be a new DeLorean, if it's explained well and had compromises.
But I hope to see that TellTale is going to build a story around and through the original trilogy instead of just behind it.
For now, and that's why you get the game
Why would we be returning to Twin Pines Mall and Lone Pine Mall?
Answer me that, huh?!
The Time TravellER keeps the memories intact, but if he changes something, he creates alternate timelines in which he then operates. Marty remembers his old parents because he was the Time TravellER (though the second Marty he sees should remember only the new parents). If a Time TravellER who isn't Marty would save the DeLorean, that Time TravellER would then operate in a timeline where Marty (not being a Time TravellER) hasn't seen the DeLorean destroyed. If Marty himself is the Time TravelER to prevent the DeLorean from being destroyed... well, he already has seen it destroyed, I guess, otherwise why he would try to prevent it?
That's no proof of anything. We know with this Citizen Brown stuff that Marty and Doc mess up big time in 1931, so that can mean anything. But it certainly doesn't contribute in any way to the old/new DeLorean argument.
yeah, ur right, If Doc sent back the time machine with Marty not being the time traveller it would change his memory.
I'll leave this forum if I turn out to be wrong. There I have said it.
Whoa, that's heavy. A little too heavy. No reason to do something like that.
I have practiced for years! *points at piles of golden age mysteries and Detective Conan manga vol 1 - 14*
*waves goodbye to Origami*
What? No way. You're the Batman to my Joker. So much fun!
I believe a second DeLorean has more valid and logic reasons than bringing back the original; reasons that go according to canon material, not changing anything seen on screen and, if coming back to a time in the Trilogy, would be in an Off-Screen time, where they can't interact with the actions seen On-Screen, like in BTTF2.
Sorry, but "it'd be lousy/lazy writing" and "TTG's marketing strategies" don't go for me as valid arguments
It's all part of the fun
^^^If I were in their shoes, I'd be doing the same exact thing. As carlos said, it's part of the fun.
So we can get a shot of the "Lost pine Mall" at the end of the game?
Owh but he was. Only programmed differently.
Granted it's a different copy but it was already established in T1 that there exist more than one. It doesn't feel out of place to send a second one since there was already some sort of set up.
With BttF however I could never think these DeLoreans would go in mass production.
In BttF1 Doc even said ""It has me my entire family fortune to realize the vision of that day"
He has gone so far in lengths to realize his creation. And now suddenly he has made a second one. No. To me THE DeLorean is the one that send Marty back in time for the first time. That had the malfunctions. The one that 'learned' to fly in the second and got hit by lightning etc etc.
The prototype is always the most expensive--a lot of trial and error involved. With a second, Doc could learn from his mistakes, and build a much faster and cheaper model. Plus, we already see in Part II that he's prepared for any financial situation.
* If post-BTTF3-Doc were to go back to 1885 while Marty was there and take Marty back to the future, Doc risks tampering with his own past because he and Marty were on the train together trying to both return to the future in BTTF3.
* BTTF doesn't work like Bill&Ted. Doc can't plan to put the DeLorean back where/when he got it when he's done with it and expect the continuum to not change things when he takes it. Doc can't take the car from the mine without risking a paradox. He might as well steal it from the train tracks in the middle of the night on 1885 or from his garage in 1955.
* Doc is very concerned about disrupting the timeline in the movies. He wouldn't dare to purposefully tamper with equipment his other self was going to use and risk a paradox.
* Doc would have no opportunity in which to go back and take Marty from 1885. After Marty has the fight with Tannen, Doc and Marty immediately leave to catch the train. 1885 Doc is with Marty the whole time during the train heist, and post-BTT3 Doc wouldn't risk meeting his other self.
Why does it have to be the DeLorean? Why can't it be a DeLorean?
I think you're placing too much sentimental value on the car. The car was destroyed, and Doc wouldn't risk altering the timeline by stealing it from himself. That's just ludicrous. The only reasonable options would be for Doc to build a new DeLorean time machine after BTTF3 or to have built a backup time machine before BTTF1 or after he travels to the future by himself.