He couldn't fix the DeLorian because the chip (I don't remember it's name, was it Time Circuits?) was broken. The replacement of the chip in 1955 was a pretty big construction that took the whole hood of the DeLorean.
But you remember the refrigerator in 1885? That big enormous construction that made ice? So, obviously Doc could construct some kind of a Time Circuit with 1885 technology, only it would be VERY big and had to use something big as a holder. Something like a train. Besides, Doc had Marty's hoverboard and walkie-talkie (at the least), very modern technologies (though small in size, but, hey, Time Circuit chip was small too ), that could help him make a new Time Machine.
Nope. However, there seem to be a lot of pre-1900's tech still in the train. And anyone familiar with so-called steampunk technology would have no trouble seeing the train as an acceptable time machine.
Not possible, because we have a Marty who's seeing the DeLorean "he saw destroyed by a speeding train" (Marty's perspective, as in "Jesus Christ! there can't be another time-travelling DeLorean but the one I left scattered all over the railroad tracks"). So, this is a Post-DeLorean-Destruction Marty. Doc couldn't get the original DeLorean "undestroyed" and having a Marty remembering it smashed to pieces.
But it looks also like time travelers are somehow protected from direct ripple effect.
Otherwise Doc in 1885 wouldn't have needed to ask who dressed Marty that ridiculous.
The 1955 Doc was supposed to be his past and the ripple effect would have altered his memory...if that kind of change could still happen to a time traveler.
Of course maybe it is just a 2010 Delorean with the 200 horse power engine the car was supposed to have back then.
(Isn't it nice finally you can buy the car with the specs it was supposed to have back then, so you don't have to put a porsche engine in, just to have a drivable car for a movie )
Presumably, Time Travelers' minds are inmune to the ripple effect, unless they're in their respective timeframe when the timeline alteration occurs.
That could be why 1985 Doc remembers Marty giving him the warning letter and why 1885 Doc doesn't remember Marty's outfit; and why Doc and Marty take 1985-A as an alternate reality and not as they remember it (Biff tampers with 1955 and returns without Doc or Marty knowing it, but they later know something's not right).
Why would Doc steal the first DeLorean and risk creating a paradox? Just because he plans to take it back in the end, that doesn't mean the continuum knows. Nope. That would be something that might happen in the cartoon, but not the movie.
Was it ever explained how he converted the train into a time machine when he couldnt even fix the DeLorean?
No. But time was probably of the essence here. Doc saw that the chip was broken and devised an on-the-spot plan to guarantee Marty's return to 1985 regardless of his own fate in 1885 in the next years. But after the marriage with Clara, he had more time to really put his mind to it, and six+ years' time.
It also doesn't help that Telltale is fanning the flames themselves:
Again, I think that's written in Marty's first-impression perspective, in the lines of "This can't be happening, I saw it destroyed!". Also, that line sets us up in the Eastwood-Ravine timeline, instead of Shonash or Clayton.
Can we get a confirmation that this is a new DeLorean, then?
YEEEESSS!!!! It's not a NEW DELOREAN!!!
Thanks for the confirmation.
I don't understand why it would be the old one.
Why would Doc steal the first DeLorean and risk creating a paradox? Just because he plans to take it back in the end, that doesn't mean the continuum knows. Nope. That would be something that might happen in the cartoon, but not the movie.
No it won't. A New DeLorean is something that would happen in the cartoon.
A New DeLorean is just lazy writing and an easy-cop out.
TellTale should build upon what was established in the trilogy. Not just hey...New Adventure = New DeLorean.
First of all, silence means a POSITIVE answer, not a negative (meaning 'YES, it's a new DeLorean' ). Secondly, as far as I know Jake doesn't work directly on Back to the Future, so perhaps he doesn't know the answer, or does not have a right to say it Thirdly, I don't understand your feelings towards a new DeLorean. Well, I consider them to be exagerrated at the least.
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Owh sure. That's why it was so silent around who the did the voice for Biff.
Because Tom Wilson was about to be revealed to be the VA right?
Seriously....I don't get why you people would want a New DeLorean?
There is only 1 DeLorean for BttF.
Creating a new DeLorean is just a lousy Deus Ex Machina to avoid all possible paradoxes.
The trick is to find a way around this. I have also faith in TellTale will realise this. Writing is one of their strongest suits and it's time to show that off.
But I am pretty sure it's not a new DeLorean. Judging from the Twin Pine Mall and Lone Pine Mall art.
Something is about to be UNDONE from the original trilogy, if only it is temporarily.
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No it isn't. Just one example:
Doc could travel to 1885 with his Train Time Machine and send Marty himself back to 1955. The only thing that would change is the DeLorean being destroyed. He could still give the goodbye speech with Jennifer and all.
Granted it is the 3th version of the DeLorean...but still it's just one possibility.
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Owh sure. That's why it was so silent around who the did the voice for Biff.
Because Tom Wilson was about to be revealed to be the VA right?
No, because usually there is a schedule regarding revealing certain portions of information to the public, including the names of the actors. The 'Tom Wilson surprise' is something fans thought up themselves wanting to be true
Creating a new DeLorean is just a lousy Deus Ex Machina to avoid all possible paradoxes.
The trick is to find a way around this. I have also faith in TellTale will realise this. Writing is one of their strongest suits and it's time to show that off.
First off, it seems you have a very strange understanding of what a Deus Ex Machina is.
Second, your logic about taking the DeLorean out of the mines is flawed. In BttF logic, if Doc were to take the Time Machine out of the mines and go to the future, he would go to the future where Marty would be stranded in 1955 (thanks for the Time Machine NOT being in the mines for Marty to use). Of course, he can arrive in 1955 and take Marty with him, but that means Marty wouldn't see the Time Machine destroyed (because it wasn't, and he would take away the Marty NOT from the movies), while we clearly know that Marty knows that the Time Machine was destroyed. Meaning that the DeLorean that was put in storage in the mines was never used until Marty and Doc uncovered it in 1955.
For Marty to remember the DeLorean being destroyed and be surprised, he has to have seen it being smashed by the train; otherwise, it'd make the game's story an atemporal vignette, making it BTTF 2.5, which would make believable the possibility of a second Marty at the Clocktower at 1:24 a.m. in the Twin-Pines-Mall universe and 4 instances of the DeLorean in 1955 coexisting in the Lone-Pine-Mall universe: In BTTF1, Marty could have gone to the mine (supposing he knew about it), get the Mr. Fusion from the Delgado-Mine DeLorean and gone back as long as he remembers Doc to get a new Mr. Fusion... "Bill and Ted" logic .
A new DeLorean is not lousy writing, but a real continuation of the story
For Marty to remember the DeLorean being destroyed and be surprised, he has to have seen it being smashed by the train; otherwise, it'd make the game's story an atemporal vignette, making it BTTF 2.5.
^^^Exactly! And the Story Interview that they did with GameTrailers says that they aren't going back into the first 3 films, so taking the time machine from the films makes no sense.
First off, it seems you have a very strange understanding of what a Deus Ex Machina is.
No I haven't.
Second, your logic about taking the DeLorean out of the mines is flawed. In BttF logic, if Doc were to take the Time Machine out of the mines and go to the future, he would go to the future where Marty would be stranded in 1955 (thanks for the Time Machine NOT being in the mines for Marty to use). Of course, he can arrive in 1955 and take Marty with him, but that means Marty wouldn't see the Time Machine destroyed (because it wasn't, and he would take away the Marty NOT from the movies), while we clearly know that Marty knows that the Time Machine was destroyed. Meaning that the DeLorean that was put in storage in the mines was never used until Marty and Doc uncovered it in 1955.
Please take the time next time to take at least a glimpse at what I posted. It would've saved you the trouble of writing all of that out.
Look guys, BttF was always about the big 3. Marty, Doc and the DeLorean. It should be the same DeLorean that we've seen go through all kinds of hardships.
Yes you do. Deus Ex Machina usually is lousy writing, but not all lousy writing is Deus Ex Machina. Not that I consider a new DeLorean to be that lousy. But a new DeLorean is not an asspull, because there is both logic and preconditions to it (even when they are not explicitely stated on screen/monitor)
Please take the time next time to take at least a glimpse at what I posted. It would've saved you the trouble of writing all of that out.
Yeah, you wrote there some quite ridiculous stuff regarding this DeLorean matter. You're right, a simple "*facepalm*" post would suffice
Yes you do. Deus Ex Machina usually is lousy writing, but not all lousy writing is Deus Ex Machina. Not that I consider a new DeLorean to be that lousy. But a new DeLorean is not an asspull, because there is both logic and preconditions to it (even when they are not explicitely stated on screen/monitor)
I never said that. I said it would be a "lousy Deus Ex Machina".
Not that all Deus Ex Machina's are lousy.
Second, your logic about taking the DeLorean out of the mines is flawed. In BttF logic, if Doc were to take the Time Machine out of the mines and go to the future, he would go to the future where Marty would be stranded in 1955 (thanks for the Time Machine NOT being in the mines for Marty to use). Of course, he can arrive in 1955 and take Marty with him, but that means Marty wouldn't see the Time Machine destroyed (because it wasn't, and he would take away the Marty NOT from the movies), while we clearly know that Marty knows that the Time Machine was destroyed. Meaning that the DeLorean that was put in storage in the mines was never used until Marty and Doc uncovered it in 1955.
I dont understand people not understanding this theory, If Doc took the DeLorean from the mines in 1885 as long as it is placed back in the mines at a time before 1955 it should be there for Marty in 1955.
I guess it may not work since it is the first time the DeLorean has been removed so the future will no have Marty in it untill they return it.
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That wouldn't work. Like someone said the continuum wouldn't recognize that Doc PLANS on returning the DeLorean.
The moment he removes the DeLorean all future events will fall apart and everything that happened in BttF3 is undone.
Or who knows? Maybe it would recognize it. It's a rule that's never been quite well established.
Because in BttF1 the rule DOES apply. If Marty doesn't make his parents fall in love he will disappear immediately. By your presented logic it would mean that he would still exist because up until some years before he is born he could succeed in them falling in love with eachother again. The continuum shouldn't know yet since Marty is the new variable factor in the mix.
I never said that. I said it would be a "lousy Deus Ex Machina".
*facepalm* You know, before telling someone to read posts, read the posts of other yourself. In simpler terms: wherether you like it or not, a new DeLorean is not a convenient plot element that comes out of absolutely nowhere, without any prerequisites. (And it's certainly no less convenient than the Time Train anyway, and there is logic and required premise to both the Time Train and a new DeLorean).
I dont understand people not understanding this theory, If Doc took the DeLorean from the mines in 1885 as long as it is placed back in the mines at a time before 1955 it should be there for Marty in 1955.
We understand the theory, but we don't like it and consider it flawed (Well, me at least). As long as DeLorean is taken from the mines, Doc will travel in an alternate (relatively to the third movie) timeline. The effects wouldn't be seen if he travels between 1885 and 1955, but from 1955 and further they will be explicitly seen: Marty won't be able to travel in time AT ALL and his reapperance in his own 1985 is impossible UNTIL Doc returns the DeLorean to the mines and fixes the timeline to it's previous state.
And I already posted regarding Doc taking Marty away from 1955 himself.
I never said that. I said it would be a "lousy Deus Ex Machina".
Not that all Deus Ex Machina's are lousy.
A deus ex machina refers to the resolution of the story, not the setup. If a second DeLorean came out of nowhere in the third act to save the day with no setup or explanation, that would be a deus ex bachina. A new DeLorean at the beginning of the story would not be a deus ex bachina. It MIGHT be a cop out, but not a deus ex machina.
*facepalm* You know, before telling someone to read posts, read the posts of other yourself. In simpler terms: wherether you like it or not, a new DeLorean is not a convenient plot element that comes out of absolutely nowhere (no less convenient than the Time Train anyway, and there is logic and required premise to both the Time Train and a new DeLorean).
READ I........*sigh*
Okay...I'll explain this, just for you since you obviously had a difficult time comprehending.
I DIDN'T say Doc should take the DeLorean out of the mines. I said he should go to 1885 and return Marty to his original time. Thus Marty wouldn't need the DeLorean to go back and it remains intact. However it will be the railroad version or 1955 modified version depending on what moment Doc interfers.
A deus ex machina refers to the resolution of the story, not the setup. If a second DeLorean came out of nowhere in the third act to save the day with no setup or explanation, that would be a deus ex bachina. A new DeLorean at the beginning of the story would not be a deus ex bachina. It MIGHT be a cop out, but not a deus ex machina.
Nope. It is a plot device to resolve a complicated plotpoint within the story.
It isn't limited to any part of the story, whether setup or resolution.
The effects wouldn't be seen if he travels between 1885 and 1955, but from 1955 and further they will be explicitly seen: Marty won't be able to travel in time AT ALL and his reapperance in his own 1985 is impossible UNTIL Doc returns the DeLorean to the mines and fixes the timeline to it's previous state.
Doc couldn't travel to the Future because Marty wouldn't be able to save him, which kills Doc in 1885 by Buford's gunshot. What would happen would be the same as what happens to Biff in BTTF2's deleted scene: erasing from existence when arriving at that alternate reality and/or creating a paradox.
Okay...I'll explain this, just for you since you obviously had a difficult time comprehending.
I DIDN'T say Doc should take the DeLorean out of the mines. I said he should go to 1885 and return Marty to his original time. Thus Marty wouldn't need the DeLorean to go back and it remains intact. However it will be the railroad version or 1955 modified version depending on what moment Doc interfers.
*facepalm AGAIN*.
Read. Marty. In game. REMEMBERS. Seeing. DeLorean. DESTROYED.
If Doc takes Marty from 1885, it will NOT be the Marty who would see the DeLorean destroyed, and it will be an alternate timeline (with, it seems, Shonnash Ravine instead of either Clayton or Eastwood).
Doc couldn't travel to the Future because Marty wouldn't be able to save him, which kills Doc in 1885 by Buford's gunshot. What would happen would be the same as what happens to Biff in BTTF2's deleted scene: erasing from existence when arriving at that alternate reality and/or creating a paradox.
I didn't think about that aspect of the travel, but, yeah.
Read. Marty. In game. REMEMBERS. Seeing. DeLorean. DESTROYED
No he doesn't.
Did he ever state in the trailer it should've been destroyed? We can only say that he's surprised to see it again.
And why wouldn't he? He hasn't seen the car in 6 months and suddenly it appears outside the front door.
And again, I am not saying TellTale should use this way to get the old DeLorean. I was only proving that the old DeLorean could be retrieved without causing major paradoxes and undoing the original trilogy. I am sure TellTale could come up with other ways.
and it will be an alternate timeline (with, it seems, Shonnash Ravine instead of either Clayton or Eastwood).
I never thought the ravine was named after Marty a.k.a Eastwood solely because he supposedly 'fell' in it. I always considered the option that it was just named after him because of his heroic deeds in Hill Valley and then suddenly disappearing. So the ravine could still be named after him in honor.
Here's the thing, and I'm just trying to look at this logically. We all want more than just one new adventure, right? Well, in that case, this needs to be a new time machine. Otherwise, we're just stuck with the time train from this point on.
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But you remember the refrigerator in 1885? That big enormous construction that made ice? So, obviously Doc could construct some kind of a Time Circuit with 1885 technology, only it would be VERY big and had to use something big as a holder. Something like a train. Besides, Doc had Marty's hoverboard and walkie-talkie (at the least), very modern technologies (though small in size, but, hey, Time Circuit chip was small too
But it looks also like time travelers are somehow protected from direct ripple effect.
Otherwise Doc in 1885 wouldn't have needed to ask who dressed Marty that ridiculous.
The 1955 Doc was supposed to be his past and the ripple effect would have altered his memory...if that kind of change could still happen to a time traveler.
Of course maybe it is just a 2010 Delorean with the 200 horse power engine the car was supposed to have back then.
(Isn't it nice finally you can buy the car with the specs it was supposed to have back then, so you don't have to put a porsche engine in, just to have a drivable car for a movie
That could be why 1985 Doc remembers Marty giving him the warning letter and why 1885 Doc doesn't remember Marty's outfit; and why Doc and Marty take 1985-A as an alternate reality and not as they remember it (Biff tampers with 1955 and returns without Doc or Marty knowing it, but they later know something's not right).
Can we get a confirmation that this is a new DeLorean, then?
Why would Doc steal the first DeLorean and risk creating a paradox? Just because he plans to take it back in the end, that doesn't mean the continuum knows. Nope. That would be something that might happen in the cartoon, but not the movie.
No. But time was probably of the essence here. Doc saw that the chip was broken and devised an on-the-spot plan to guarantee Marty's return to 1985 regardless of his own fate in 1885 in the next years. But after the marriage with Clara, he had more time to really put his mind to it, and six+ years' time.
Again, I think that's written in Marty's first-impression perspective, in the lines of "This can't be happening, I saw it destroyed!". Also, that line sets us up in the Eastwood-Ravine timeline, instead of Shonash or Clayton.
Hmmmm....so, maybe the shipping game will have the barcode license plate.
This is good news nevertheless.
YEEEESSS!!!! It's not a NEW DELOREAN!!!
Thanks for the confirmation.
No it won't. A New DeLorean is something that would happen in the cartoon.
A New DeLorean is just lazy writing and an easy-cop out.
TellTale should build upon what was established in the trilogy. Not just hey...New Adventure = New DeLorean.
First of all, silence means a POSITIVE answer, not a negative
Owh sure. That's why it was so silent around who the did the voice for Biff.
Because Tom Wilson was about to be revealed to be the VA right?
Seriously....I don't get why you people would want a New DeLorean?
There is only 1 DeLorean for BttF.
Creating a new DeLorean is just a lousy Deus Ex Machina to avoid all possible paradoxes.
The trick is to find a way around this. I have also faith in TellTale will realise this. Writing is one of their strongest suits and it's time to show that off.
But I am pretty sure it's not a new DeLorean. Judging from the Twin Pine Mall and Lone Pine Mall art.
Something is about to be UNDONE from the original trilogy, if only it is temporarily.
No it isn't. Just one example:
Doc could travel to 1885 with his Train Time Machine and send Marty himself back to 1955. The only thing that would change is the DeLorean being destroyed. He could still give the goodbye speech with Jennifer and all.
Granted it is the 3th version of the DeLorean...but still it's just one possibility.
To use the original DeLorean without messing up canon, using BTTF time travel logic, is logically impossible.
The only way to use that one is through vignettes (time-cut fillers) and not going to its relative Future.
Again no.
If the DeLorean gets returned to where it came from at the end of the game everything will be restored.
Judging from the synopsis of ep5 this is also what this ep revolve around mostly; fixing paradoxes and restoring the timeline to how it was.
No, because usually there is a schedule regarding revealing certain portions of information to the public, including the names of the actors. The 'Tom Wilson surprise' is something fans thought up themselves wanting to be true
First off, it seems you have a very strange understanding of what a Deus Ex Machina is.
Second, your logic about taking the DeLorean out of the mines is flawed. In BttF logic, if Doc were to take the Time Machine out of the mines and go to the future, he would go to the future where Marty would be stranded in 1955 (thanks for the Time Machine NOT being in the mines for Marty to use). Of course, he can arrive in 1955 and take Marty with him, but that means Marty wouldn't see the Time Machine destroyed (because it wasn't, and he would take away the Marty NOT from the movies), while we clearly know that Marty knows that the Time Machine was destroyed. Meaning that the DeLorean that was put in storage in the mines was never used until Marty and Doc uncovered it in 1955.
A new DeLorean is not lousy writing, but a real continuation of the story
^^^Exactly! And the Story Interview that they did with GameTrailers says that they aren't going back into the first 3 films, so taking the time machine from the films makes no sense.
No I haven't.
Please take the time next time to take at least a glimpse at what I posted. It would've saved you the trouble of writing all of that out.
Look guys, BttF was always about the big 3. Marty, Doc and the DeLorean. It should be the same DeLorean that we've seen go through all kinds of hardships.
Yes you do. Deus Ex Machina usually is lousy writing, but not all lousy writing is Deus Ex Machina. Not that I consider a new DeLorean to be that lousy. But a new DeLorean is not an asspull, because there is both logic and preconditions to it (even when they are not explicitely stated on screen/monitor)
Yeah, you wrote there some quite ridiculous stuff regarding this DeLorean matter. You're right, a simple "*facepalm*" post would suffice
Again, I ask you, read what I posted just once.
You'll see who is entitled to get a palm print on their face soon enough.
I never said that. I said it would be a "lousy Deus Ex Machina".
Not that all Deus Ex Machina's are lousy.
I dont understand people not understanding this theory, If Doc took the DeLorean from the mines in 1885 as long as it is placed back in the mines at a time before 1955 it should be there for Marty in 1955.
I guess it may not work since it is the first time the DeLorean has been removed so the future will no have Marty in it untill they return it.
That wouldn't work. Like someone said the continuum wouldn't recognize that Doc PLANS on returning the DeLorean.
The moment he removes the DeLorean all future events will fall apart and everything that happened in BttF3 is undone.
Or who knows? Maybe it would recognize it. It's a rule that's never been quite well established.
Because in BttF1 the rule DOES apply. If Marty doesn't make his parents fall in love he will disappear immediately. By your presented logic it would mean that he would still exist because up until some years before he is born he could succeed in them falling in love with eachother again. The continuum shouldn't know yet since Marty is the new variable factor in the mix.
Owh man...Bob and Bob made it so hard on us.
Indeed
I am sorry Carlos but I have proof it will be the same DeLorean.
I love how the forum is now divided into two groups.
New Delorean and Old Delorean.
But somehow I have the feeling it still very lonely in camp OldDelorean.
*facepalm* You know, before telling someone to read posts, read the posts of other yourself. In simpler terms: wherether you like it or not, a new DeLorean is not a convenient plot element that comes out of absolutely nowhere, without any prerequisites. (And it's certainly no less convenient than the Time Train anyway, and there is logic and required premise to both the Time Train and a new DeLorean).
We understand the theory, but we don't like it and consider it flawed
And I already posted regarding Doc taking Marty away from 1955 himself.
A deus ex machina refers to the resolution of the story, not the setup. If a second DeLorean came out of nowhere in the third act to save the day with no setup or explanation, that would be a deus ex bachina. A new DeLorean at the beginning of the story would not be a deus ex bachina. It MIGHT be a cop out, but not a deus ex machina.
Oh yeah, and that too.
READ I........*sigh*
Okay...I'll explain this, just for you since you obviously had a difficult time comprehending.
I DIDN'T say Doc should take the DeLorean out of the mines. I said he should go to 1885 and return Marty to his original time. Thus Marty wouldn't need the DeLorean to go back and it remains intact. However it will be the railroad version or 1955 modified version depending on what moment Doc interfers.
Nope. It is a plot device to resolve a complicated plotpoint within the story.
It isn't limited to any part of the story, whether setup or resolution.
Doc couldn't travel to the Future because Marty wouldn't be able to save him, which kills Doc in 1885 by Buford's gunshot. What would happen would be the same as what happens to Biff in BTTF2's deleted scene: erasing from existence when arriving at that alternate reality and/or creating a paradox.
*facepalm AGAIN*.
Read. Marty. In game. REMEMBERS. Seeing. DeLorean. DESTROYED.
If Doc takes Marty from 1885, it will NOT be the Marty who would see the DeLorean destroyed, and it will be an alternate timeline (with, it seems, Shonnash Ravine instead of either Clayton or Eastwood).
I didn't think about that aspect of the travel, but, yeah.
No he doesn't.
Did he ever state in the trailer it should've been destroyed? We can only say that he's surprised to see it again.
And why wouldn't he? He hasn't seen the car in 6 months and suddenly it appears outside the front door.
And again, I am not saying TellTale should use this way to get the old DeLorean. I was only proving that the old DeLorean could be retrieved without causing major paradoxes and undoing the original trilogy. I am sure TellTale could come up with other ways.
I never thought the ravine was named after Marty a.k.a Eastwood solely because he supposedly 'fell' in it. I always considered the option that it was just named after him because of his heroic deeds in Hill Valley and then suddenly disappearing. So the ravine could still be named after him in honor.
Shall I give you a link to the official BttF game site, or you will find the way there yourself?
Here's the thing, and I'm just trying to look at this logically. We all want more than just one new adventure, right? Well, in that case, this needs to be a new time machine. Otherwise, we're just stuck with the time train from this point on.