I DIDN'T say Doc should take the DeLorean out of the mines. I said he should go to 1885 and return Marty to his original time. Thus Marty wouldn't need the DeLorean to go back and it remains intact. However it will be the railroad version or 1955 modified version depending on what moment Doc interfers.
AT WHAT POINT?
Doc and Marty spend nearly all their time together in 1885. During BTTF2, Marty and Doc are both very cautious about not meeting the other Marty and Doc until the other Marty is already gone. Doc does meet his other self on accident, but is very careful to not be recognized.
During BTTF3, Doc is under the impression that he is going to be killed, and is therefore trying to also return to the future with Marty. If post-movie Doc took BTTF3 Marty from 1885, Doc would run the risk of changing his other self's destiny. Also, BTTF3 Marty is supposed to have the fight with Beauford, and afterward there is no opportunity for post-movie Doc to take Marty without affecting BTTF3 Doc since they immediately mount their horses and ride off to catch the train together.
And anyway, it would be very confusing indeed for BTTF3 Doc if he was on the train trying to climb out to the DeLorean, and suddenly realized it wasn't there; or if Doc held up the train to get it to switch tracks, but then turned around and both Marty and the DeLorean were gone.
The railroad sequence has to happen for Clara to marry Doc. She saw the scale model, but her fears were confirmed when she saw the locomotive following the path where the time machine was.
Ok then if the delorean is back in 1885 are you saying he gets Marty from 1885 and then goes back and gets the Delorean to send to the start of the game?
It still is TOO RISKY. The movies portray Doc and Marty as being very wary of running in to their other selves and/or interfering with actions taken by their other selves.
Doc has NO IDEA what would happen to his own past if he abducted Marty from 1885, and Doc has always been more worried about the consequences than Marty was. It would be totally out of character for Doc to do such a risky thing without knowing the outcome, just so he could save himself the effort of having to build a new time machine.
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Again. It was an example to point out that the DeLorean could be extracted from the timeline. Obviously a whole lot of good writing will come in to play to make it work out if they would do it this way.
Probably not this way since like so many pointed out Marty witnesses the destruction of the DeLorean.
O.k., then it's POSSIBLE to rescue the DeLorean if you DON'T take the game into account, right?, so why is it discussed in the first place?... We could be discussing a vignette's or a fan-fiction's setup, then.
^ @Prizna That's why I said. A lot of good writing would have to come in play.
Doc from the future could also go to 1885 giving Marty gasoline and a set of wheels. Marty has to pretend to 1885 Doc that he made a mistake and there is a reserve gasoline jerrycan. He then goes on hiw own way with the DeLorean back to the future.
Clara could witness the DeLorean somehow and believe Emmett.
This isn't just about a paradox. It's about the character of Doc. Doc wouldn't do that because the risk is too great.
You seem hell-bent on insisting that the DeLorean is still the old one, at the expense of whether or not the explanation of altering history to save it makes any sense concerning the personalities of the characters involved.
O.k., but a vignette or a fan-fiction can't start with that. The key points for that to happen have to be established in the first chapters and have the DeLorean not destroyed in the middle of the struggle, but not as a plot device.
So, to mantain the statement clear: If you DON'T consider the game at all part of the story (as if it didn't exist), there's the possibility of not destroying the DeLorean.
Doc: Marty I need to send you back to 1985
Marty: But you we were just going to use the train to send the DeLorean back to 1985
Doc: But if we do that then the DeLorean will be destroyed and it wont be able to be used it the BttF game
It's bad story writing to build a new car since the old one is gone?
I think it's bad story writing for a writer to say "well, I know Doc wouldn't ever do that, but I need this equipment for my story so I'll write that he does this anyways and hope noone notices it's out of character for him."
It does, but it involves new characters and new plot devices that would need to make the DeLorean not being destroyed a Consequence, not a Premise. You can't have the same characters play within that timeframe, because the actions affect them... It's Fan-Fiction BTTF2.5, not a real continuation.
It does, but it involves new characters and new plot devices that would need to make the DeLorean not being destroyed a Consequence, not a premise. You can't have the same characters play within that timeframe, because the actions affect them... It's Fan Fiction BTTF2.5, not a real continuation
Which reminds me, when I was a kid somewhere in years 2000-2002 and dreamed about Back to the Future game, I dreamed of it as an adventure-game where we (to not conflict with the BttF trilogy) would control a new playable main character who would accidentally meet Doc somewhere in the future (it would take place in the 10 minutes of the first movie - between Doc leaving Marty and coming back for him).
I've read some good fan-fiction vignettes involving BTTF crossovers with other time travellers, but again, they don't mess with events stated in Future scenes.
The prototype is always the most expensive--a lot of trial and error involved. With a second, Doc could learn from his mistakes, and build a much faster and cheaper model. Plus, we already see in Part II that he's prepared for any financial situation.
This is true. And considering the time he had with the train, he would probably be able to speed up the process of building a second DeLorean time machine.
An ambiguous explanation is far more acceptable. Leave it to the fans to figure it out.
Yeah. I'd buy that.
And then, at the after-credits epilogue of the fifth-episode, Doc and Marty would look at the game DeLorean wrecked, and Marty would ask 'So... what's with the DeLorean?' and Doc would answer 'To hell with THIS DeLorean, let's go buy another one.'
This is true. And considering the time he had with the train, he would probably be able to speed up the process of building a second DeLorean time machine.
No he doesn't.
You know how expensive the DeLorean car alone was back in 1985? Then figure he has to buy all the parts to build the DeLorean too.
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AT WHAT POINT?
Doc and Marty spend nearly all their time together in 1885. During BTTF2, Marty and Doc are both very cautious about not meeting the other Marty and Doc until the other Marty is already gone. Doc does meet his other self on accident, but is very careful to not be recognized.
During BTTF3, Doc is under the impression that he is going to be killed, and is therefore trying to also return to the future with Marty. If post-movie Doc took BTTF3 Marty from 1885, Doc would run the risk of changing his other self's destiny. Also, BTTF3 Marty is supposed to have the fight with Beauford, and afterward there is no opportunity for post-movie Doc to take Marty without affecting BTTF3 Doc since they immediately mount their horses and ride off to catch the train together.
And anyway, it would be very confusing indeed for BTTF3 Doc if he was on the train trying to climb out to the DeLorean, and suddenly realized it wasn't there; or if Doc held up the train to get it to switch tracks, but then turned around and both Marty and the DeLorean were gone.
It's quite obvious that he should pick up Marty AFTER the fight. Wait for him at the railroad or something.
Yes and?
That's just nitpicky. The contuum would find another way they could get in love.
Then which time machine is Doc using?
He should still build the train.
As I said, that DeLorean is doomed... DOOMED!
Besides, all the key actions necesary for saving the DeLorean would be off-screen, which stalls the story.
YES!
But I was only pointing out to Chlyros that there is a way to get a DeLorean without creating a paradox.
Ok then if the delorean is back in 1885 are you saying he gets Marty from 1885 and then goes back and gets the Delorean to send to the start of the game?
Something like that.
He might first pick up the DeLorean to patch it up. Use it himself because it's more convenient and ultimately send it back to Marty.
Doc has NO IDEA what would happen to his own past if he abducted Marty from 1885, and Doc has always been more worried about the consequences than Marty was. It would be totally out of character for Doc to do such a risky thing without knowing the outcome, just so he could save himself the effort of having to build a new time machine.
Again. It was an example to point out that the DeLorean could be extracted from the timeline. Obviously a whole lot of good writing will come in to play to make it work out if they would do it this way.
Probably not this way since like so many pointed out Marty witnesses the destruction of the DeLorean.
@Prizna That's why I said. A lot of good writing would have to come in play.
Doc from the future could also go to 1885 giving Marty gasoline and a set of wheels. Marty has to pretend to 1885 Doc that he made a mistake and there is a reserve gasoline jerrycan. He then goes on hiw own way with the DeLorean back to the future.
Clara could witness the DeLorean somehow and believe Emmett.
Or something...
@Carlos
What was a vignette again?
You seem hell-bent on insisting that the DeLorean is still the old one, at the expense of whether or not the explanation of altering history to save it makes any sense concerning the personalities of the characters involved.
So, to mantain the statement clear: If you DON'T consider the game at all part of the story (as if it didn't exist), there's the possibility of not destroying the DeLorean.
You seem hell-bent on insisting the DeLorean to be a new one, at the expense of bad story writing.
Doc: Marty I need to send you back to 1985
Marty: But you we were just going to use the train to send the DeLorean back to 1985
Doc: But if we do that then the DeLorean will be destroyed and it wont be able to be used it the BttF game
You seem hell-bent on insisting that straightforward and simple explanation is bad story writing.
A vignette is a time-cut filler. Something that happens between scenes.
See how epic that sounds?
@Carlos
But how would the game be different if it used a New DeLorean instead of the old one. It still takes place after the end of the original trilogy.
You seem to be hell-bent. Period.
I know that, so your sarcastic pun failed.
I think it's bad story writing for a writer to say "well, I know Doc wouldn't ever do that, but I need this equipment for my story so I'll write that he does this anyways and hope noone notices it's out of character for him."
It does, but it involves new characters and new plot devices that would need to make the DeLorean not being destroyed a Consequence, not a Premise. You can't have the same characters play within that timeframe, because the actions affect them... It's Fan-Fiction BTTF2.5, not a real continuation.
Which reminds me, when I was a kid somewhere in years 2000-2002 and dreamed about Back to the Future game, I dreamed of it as an adventure-game where we (to not conflict with the BttF trilogy) would control a new playable main character who would accidentally meet Doc somewhere in the future (it would take place in the 10 minutes of the first movie - between Doc leaving Marty and coming back for him).
Marty: Doc, how is this possible, I saw the DeLorean get hit by the train.
Doc: There's no time Marty!! we need to fix the past.
Marty: Doc, how is this possible, I saw the DeLorean get hit by the train.
Doc: Umm ahh, Look behind you a three headed monkey!!!
Yeah. I'd buy that.
This is true. And considering the time he had with the train, he would probably be able to speed up the process of building a second DeLorean time machine.
And then, at the after-credits epilogue of the fifth-episode, Doc and Marty would look at the game DeLorean wrecked, and Marty would ask 'So... what's with the DeLorean?' and Doc would answer 'To hell with THIS DeLorean, let's go buy another one.'
No he doesn't.
You know how expensive the DeLorean car alone was back in 1985? Then figure he has to buy all the parts to build the DeLorean too.