Funny you pick the 2 games that have been changed most throughout their game career. WoW at launch and current WoW? Vastly different. TF2? Unrecognisable.
So, why is it allowed there, but not to Star Wars? After all, the original SW's are still about. The original TF2 or WoW? Unplayable. Because you cannot just "not patch".
Also, I would bring you in contact with a French Star Wars fanatic who complains about every bug I squash in the The Sith Lords Content Restoration Mod should remain in, because the "developers intended it to be broken that way"...
You must have not read this thread. Especially Chyron8472's posts.
So do I. So why all the fuss here?
The LOTR movies extended versions did modify existing content too after all. Especially musically...
Can you buy the original disk version of MI1? Tree stomp joke was even cut out of the SE! :eek:
I could probably lists hundreds more examples, but I don't care enough to think of more
Odd. I seem to have the originals on my DVD... AND YET YOU COMPLAIN ("well, he does, but it's bad quality *rant rant*).
So, what point are you guys trying to make?
And who says a first BluRay release doesn't mean another with the originals later, like happened with the DVD's, right?
Jumping the wagon rather fast, aren't you? Not that I believe anyone rants here for this reason anyway.
On the DVD they shot similarly. Which makes sense, happens in Western's too in such standoff's, right?
But a war-breed Clone Commando/Stormtrooper cannot. So why should Bounty Hunters in the galaxy of really bad shooters?
Fun fact;
This was supposed to be a big fight scene, but Harrison Ford was sick and unable to shoot it, so this is what they came up with instead.
Indeed, the legendary scene was ad-libbed (ad-madeup? Whatever) on the set.
If GL wanted to edit to follow the script, it would indeed be removed .
Funny stuff!
The original TF2 is still playable. If you own a PS3 copy of the orange box. It was never patched.
The original TF2 is still playable. If you own a PS3 copy of the orange box. It was never patched.
That's good to know.
I can't really speak from experience when it comes to TF2, but regarding Warcraft, my point was that people don't complain about -new- content, but they certainly complain when Blizzard changes something they already know and love. See Zul'Gurub, Alterac Valley, or most of the talent trees.
I can't really speak from experience when it comes to TF2, but regarding Warcraft, my point was that people don't complain about -new- content, but they certainly complain when Blizzard changes something they already know and love. See Zul'Gurub, Alterac Valley, or most of the talent trees.
Not everyone complains about the kind of stuff Lucas does all the time. For example, when bringing the original Star Trek into the HD era, Paramount/CBS had the special effects completely redone and not too many people loathed Paramount for it. And when it came to the new Blu-ray release, they gave people the OPTION for the old effects. You could even switch between them on the fly. That's how it should be done.
I have a theory that if George actually released a new transfer of a cleaned up, anamorphic version of the originals (ie. not SE), then many people would never bother to buy the SE's in future as thy wouldn't see the point. So long as the only official recent release of the originals is of intentionally inferior quality (as proved in my previous post), people will be more likely to continue to buy SE's with still more changes.
If there was a proper recent transfer made of the original versions, I believe the point would be moot in George making any more changes as very few would actually care.
Believe me. They would buy it if they always updated the originals to the new formats too. But Lucas doesn't want to. He thinks it's wasted effort. He is the typical artist he changes his work constantly because he thinks it is imperfect and will continue to do so until someone has the guts to take it away from him.
Some might wish that Indiana Jones will break into his home, steal the originals and leaves a note like "this belongs in a museum".
Not everyone complains about the kind of stuff Lucas does all the time. For example, when bringing the original Star Trek into the HD era, Paramount/CBS had the special effects completely redone and not too many people loathed Paramount for it. And when it came to the new Blu-ray release, they gave people the OPTION for the old effects. You could even switch between them on the fly. That's how it should be done.
I'd constantly switch it from vader saying NNOOOOO on and off.
Not at this point. If he would have sold them years ago alongside the SE's, people would have. But he's screwed us over for too long now. It's too late.
The original TF2 is still playable. If you own a PS3 copy of the orange box. It was never patched.
But it's inferior quality (graphics wise, VHS) compared to the PC (Blu-ray, DVD). And obviously by the time the PS4 (DVD, Blu-ray) comes out which doesn't run the game (VHS disk of SW) the wont update it. FOR SHAME VALVE.
See there the discussion of "out of date" medium. I think it's kind of we expect this to happen with movies though.
Yes, but nevermore the Special Editions, if the originals were of similar quality.
The arrogance.
Trust me, you're worse than George Lucas. Some of us do care about the SE edition, as we are grown up with that. Not everyone here is 40 years old you know.
But if you propagand here (which you do) that only the original should be sold and nevermore the SE, that makes you equally as bad as George Lucas. Which you apparently hate. Hope you have a fun life of self-loathing...
Yes, but nevermore the Special Editions, if the originals were of similar quality.
They wouldn't be dumb enough to separate them.
I really Like my 2004 DVD Box with all 3 movies and the bonus material. I was glad to buy it and the Soundtrack box with the same look (but smaller). The audio commentary is great as is the making of on DVD 4. And I don't mind any of the changes except for Hayden being in the third movie (Episode 6).
I even like the prequels. Even though they are flawed. These could use some improvements too.
Some of us do care about the SE edition, as we are grown up with that. Not everyone here is 40 years old you know.
I'm 26, grew up with the originals. My brother who is 21 did so as well. Actually, because the special editions didn't even exist until the late 90s, you pretty much can't have grown up on them unless you're a teen or younger, unless you consider growing up on something to have seen it for the first time when you were already ten or so.
So 40 is a big exaggeration.
On top of that, people are growing up on the originals right now so it's not like you need to be over a certain age. It's not impossible to be young and have grown up on the originals, it's just impossible to be in your twenties and over and have grown up on the special editions, because they didn't exist yet.
And finally, saying "some people like it because they saw it first, and at an impressionable age" is hardly a good defense for a movie. It's like saying "some people like it, because they don't know better".
It's also insulting to insinuate that anyone who grew up with a version is unable to like another one better (for the above reason).
I was born in 1987, I was 3 in 1990, yes growing up with means you're 2 years old...
Oh, brother...
Some one who exaggerates ^. At any rate I had the special editions most my life, and then also the early video releases. I grew up with most the video/ home releases...
We have lazerdisc too...
1997 I was 10 years old...I would have been in the fifth grade, in grade school...
Side by side comparison with adults, to see how grown up you are in the fifth grade...
My god, time went by! They are ready for a family soon!'
Religion has got my back too...
Hey, he's single, you should look him up in a few years...
Anyways, you might not consider part of growing up way back in the fifth grade, but I sure the heck remember that as a part of my years growing up. I guess everyone is different but at the very least it's fair to feel that way.
unless you consider growing up on something to have seen it for the first time when you were already ten or so.
Well, when people are defined by a decade, it's usually the decade in which they were teens. I personally feel as much, if not more, nostalgia towards my teen years as I do my child years. That's usually when you grow up past "children's" and "family-friendly" entertainment and start taking in more adult pop culture. That's not to say that younger children can't watch and appreciate Star Wars, but they're certainly not the target audience. So ten or older seems to me to be a perfect time to be able to say you grew up with something.
Well, when people are defined by a decade, it's usually the decade in which they were teens. I personally feel as much, if not more, nostalgia towards my teen years as I do my child years. That's usually when you grow up past "children's" and "family-friendly" entertainment and start taking in more adult pop culture. That's not to say that younger children can't watch and appreciate Star Wars, but they're certainly not the target audience. So ten or older seems to me to be a perfect time to be able to say you grew up with something.
And you thought I was older than you? I was born in '87 too.
Good point, I watched adult movies early on, I actually remember most my early teen years, if you count being 10 years old and 11, and 12, and 13 teen years. But, to be fair, I guess it's semantics.
I'm 26, grew up with the originals. My brother who is 21 did so as well. Actually, because the special editions didn't even exist until the late 90s, you pretty much can't have grown up on them unless you're a teen or younger, unless you consider growing up on something to have seen it for the first time when you were already ten or so.
So 40 is a big exaggeration.
I'm 23. And saw Star Wars first time when I was about 9 (1997!). So yes, it does make sense, doesn't it? Most people probably saw it at a later date, it's not exactly your best children's movie, is it?
people are growing up on the originals right now
Apparently not, or there wouldn't be so much complaining they should come to blu-ray.
It's not impossible to be young and have grown up on the originals, it's just impossible to be in your twenties and over and have grown up on the special editions, because they didn't exist yet.
As GuruGura already stated, grown up with something usually requires having seen it. As 5 year old I hadn't really seen Star Wars... So while it's partially correct by the time I was old enough to really enjoy movies like this it was already SE+ release time.
And finally, saying "some people like it because they saw it first, and at an impressionable age" is hardly a good defense for a movie. It's like saying "some people like it, because they don't know better".
It's also insulting to insinuate that anyone who grew up with a version is unable to like another one better (for the above reason).
Apparently. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many people here complaining about it. And yes, the comment "adding special effects for setting the mood" (Mos Eisly) is apparently also seen as them as detrimental to thei childhood memories.
So while I don't understand it much either, it seems definitely of influence in the Star Wars hard-core fanclub.
It's much like the complains of wooden acting I apparently read about the original on the DVD. Well, guess what, it has always been that way...
Also, 40 is no exageration. For seeing the original in the cinema you would have been around 15. Add that that's 25 years ago. 40 years...
The arrogance.
Trust me, you're worse than George Lucas.
But if you propagand here (which you do) that only the original should be sold and nevermore the SE, that makes you equally as bad as George Lucas. Which you apparently hate. Hope you have a fun life of self-loathing...
Er, he was not advocating that the special editions never be sold again. He simply stated a theory he has that if the originals were made available no one would bother buying the special editions any more.
Personally, I don't believe that would be the case. There are plenty of fans who are interested in seeing what things he'll tweak. Even some original fans with a morbid curiosity would probably still buy it. Whether or not the original unaltered trilogy would outsell the special editions is something else all together.
My point being that the wide majority of Star Wars fans would probably not buy a SE-only release if there already existed the original versions at a reasonably comparable quality.
It is my contention that GL intentionally made the release of the GOUT ("George's Original Untouched Trilogy"-- ie. 2006 DVD release of the '93 laserdisc transfer) inferior so as to encourage people to bother with buying the Special Editions.
1990? Mmh, I thought the first special edition was in the late 90s for some reason.
And yeah, I guess for me if I say I grew up with something, it means it was part of my life already at my earliest memories, or soon afterwards. If I first saw it when I was in middle school, then to me it's not growing up with it any more than seeing something now. Sure it's going to affect my life from now on, but not in the same way as if it had always been part of my life somehow.
I guess it's a matter of definition. I also wouldn't say "we grew up together" or "we're childhood friends" for people I met in middle school. Because, you know, it's not childhood friends when you're not a child anymore.
Anyways. My point with the "people are growing up on it now" is that some people are, so age can only tell you one way. It's impossible for people who are over 40 to have grown up with the original because they didn't exist, and it's impossible for people over a certain age to have grown up with the special editions because they didn't exist. Yet, nowadays children might be raised watching the originals or no version at all.
And you saw Star Wars for the first time at age 9? That's probably how old I was the last time I saw the trilogy, and I saw it bunches of times, although I guess I only got a censored version of the second movie. Which is also the one we watched least.
I think I saw Jedi the most, and I'd say it's definitely kid friendly. But Hope isn't that bad either as far as I can remember.
This thread is awesome and should be a official star wars thread.
Avistew , I can see your side, interesting, thanks for sharing maturely. I got a little carried away, you balanced things back out. thank you. Both sides can be seen now and respected clearly. Thank you.
This thread covers all the popular subjects and more, i love this thread.
The problem I have with the changes isn't the fact that they made them. It's that they are so badly implemented.
Greedo shooting first (despite my argument against it earlier, which was more on behalf of die-hard Star Wars fans than my own personal feelings on the issue) wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest if it had looked alright, but it didn't. It was a technically altered mess. They'd taken a still frame of Harrison Ford and added a pair of blaster shots around him, and it looks so unlifelike that it drew me out of the scene.
Likewise with the subsequent scene with Jabba. It. Just. Looks. Fake. Especially where they 'move' Han when he steps on Jabba's tail. Watch that bit and tell me it isn't awkward. The GCI Jabba doesn't even look anything like his Jedi appearance. It simply doesn't work.
The new changes for the Blu-Ray go even further. I've never liked the 'Noooooo!' because it devalued the character. It's a silly line, poorly delivered and rendered the character less credible. Now they've added it to one of the most powerful scenes in Jedi and it's done the same thing to that as well. Silence is Golden sometimes. On the other hand the CGI Yoda in Phantom is fine, because it doesn't detract from the scene. It improves it IMHO, because the Yoda puppet wasn't very good. YMMV.
As much as I'd like to see the documentaries and deleted scenes (which'll be on YouTube before long), I can't justify buying a boxset of films I already have on DVD (and, therefore, fanedited!) and do not want again in higher definition but lower quality.
Look, eventually George Lucas will have a massive heat attack and die. It'll be sad, but then the people at LucasFilm will have no excuse not to re-release the original films. So until then, let him screw up his films. Let him make changes that worsen the films rather then improve them. Let him do what he wants. Because eventually, he'll be dead. And the world will be better for it.
Eh...my brother's going to buy this thing anyways, just so that we can laugh at the ridiculous changes. It doesn't really matter, though as we already have the VHS originals from, like, '92. And a VHS player. Someday, when I'm really bored, I'll go and copy them over onto some DVDs, stick in a nice menu and chapters and call it the Extra Special Edition.
Look, eventually George Lucas will have a massive heat attack and die. It'll be sad, but then the people at LucasFilm will have no excuse not to re-release the original films. So until then, let him screw up his films. Let him make changes that worsen the films rather then improve them. Let him do what he wants. Because eventually, he'll be dead. And the world will be better for it.
I think you meant to say "heart attack".
But then, a heart attack would require him to actually have a heart...
My main issue is I'm a stickler for quality and a hardcore collector. It bugs me to no end that only the Special Editions are available in clear detailed 1080p and I have to settle for blurry and faded conversions of the old non-edited trilogy.
My main issue is I'm a stickler for quality and a hardcore collector. It bugs me to no end that only the Special Editions are available in clear detailed 1080p and I have to settle for blurry and faded conversions of the old non-edited trilogy.
And we are still going in circles. Also: who removed the "nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!"s from the tags. That's editing the original thread.
Argh, one of the mods said who was the one who always removed tags! I can't remember who it was. It was probably someone who is a huge LY GREAT GUY I LOVE HIM SO MUCH.
Honestly, you shouldn't even have to watch any of the changes to know they're bad.
Simply look at the box art for the set.
Jake Lloyd? JAKE LLOYD? They could have put so many awesome things on that cover. They could have had X-Wings and the Death Star and Han Solo and Jango Fett and Palpatine and stormtroopers and clone troopers and Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda and Chewbacca and R2-D2 and Lando Calrissian but what do they go with? Lil' 9 year old Anakin walking away from a place he never even went to before he grew up to be Hayden Christiansen. Aaaargh.
Also, I don't know what universe George lives in but Hayden is the absolute worst actor I've ever seen in a major motion picture. That just proves to me George has lost touch with all sense of reality. I cringe whenever he comes on screen and spouts his lines. And not because he's a pretty boy, but because he's a whiny little baby that CAN'T ACT TO SAVE HIS LIFE. I was sadly privy to his performance in Jumper as well, equally cringe-worthy.
Definitely, that was one of my really major issues with the new movies... I rewatched them a bit after having seen them for the first time, and when watching them over, it was even more noticable... he's so bad that he alone would ruin the movies for me even if they were good otherwise.
And Avistew, the Special Edition came out in theaters in 1997. The first time I saw the movies was in 1995, when we got the THX remastered VHS release. I was about eight years old.
And Avistew, the Special Edition came out in theaters in 1997. The first time I saw the movies was in 1995, when we got the THX remastered VHS release. I was about eight years old.
I was about 17 in 1995. I remember watching the Special Editions when I was a senior in high school in 1997, and being puzzled at Jabba's appearance in ANH, and furious at Jedi Rocks in ROTJ.
And Avistew, the Special Edition came out in theaters in 1997. The first time I saw the movies was in 1995, when we got the THX remastered VHS release. I was about eight years old.
That sounds about right. Only I was about five years old and I was watching the version that came before the THX remastered VHS tapes. Because that's what my church's video library had.
Why? Just because it wasn't in the original movie. That's why. If id had been and he cut it out you would have been angry about that.
Yes it is one of the worst scenes in the movie but guess what: you can skip it. You can even recut the whole movie and make your own DVD.
I'm not going to recut my own DVD. -.- Yes, it is the worst scene and the Lapti Nek scene that it replaces was perfectly fine. Besides, Jedi Rocks would never have been in the original because CGI animation didn't exist back then, and various people would probably have had the guts to tell a 30's year old George that it was stupid and didn't fit the feel of the rest of the film.
The fact that you didn't even know what Jedi Rocks was says something of your overall (dis)interest in Star Wars, so it's no wonder people can say that GL can and should change what he wants when he wants when they obviously don't care about it to begin with.
The fact that you didn't even know what Jedi Rocks was says something of your overall (dis)interest in Star Wars.
actually it doesn't I saw it last in 2004. After that I always skipped it.
As I posted: a perfect "Big Lipped Alligator Moment".
You putting too much emphasis on this 1 minute scene just shows that you care too much about Star Wars and felt a$$raped by Lucas when you were 17 and saw this.
Do you know how many fan-edits of movies I have? Two. Only two. I'm not going to recut my own DVD...
I have Kerr's fan edit of LOTR only because my wife is a purist fan of the books, and she likes that edit better (I think primarily because it doesn't ruin Faramir.)
But I never even considered nor knew anything about readily downloadable fan edits until Darth Marsden told me about Adywan's "Star Wars Revisited" projects. I find it incredibly sad that a mere individual as Adrian Sayce can made a fan edit as absolutely fantastic as he has done with ANH:R for free; while Lucasfilm, with all its financial capital and investment in the Star Wars franchise can't even have an official release of the original trilogy on DVD without it having terrible problems such as a persistent blue tint throughout and the inability to make lightsabers the correct color.
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The original TF2 is still playable. If you own a PS3 copy of the orange box. It was never patched.
That's good to know.
I can't really speak from experience when it comes to TF2, but regarding Warcraft, my point was that people don't complain about -new- content, but they certainly complain when Blizzard changes something they already know and love. See Zul'Gurub, Alterac Valley, or most of the talent trees.
Not everyone complains about the kind of stuff Lucas does all the time. For example, when bringing the original Star Trek into the HD era, Paramount/CBS had the special effects completely redone and not too many people loathed Paramount for it. And when it came to the new Blu-ray release, they gave people the OPTION for the old effects. You could even switch between them on the fly. That's how it should be done.
If there was a proper recent transfer made of the original versions, I believe the point would be moot in George making any more changes as very few would actually care.
Some might wish that Indiana Jones will break into his home, steal the originals and leaves a note like "this belongs in a museum".
I'd constantly switch it from vader saying NNOOOOO on and off.
Yes, but nevermore the Special Editions, if the originals were of similar quality.
See there the discussion of "out of date" medium. I think it's kind of we expect this to happen with movies though. The arrogance.
Trust me, you're worse than George Lucas. Some of us do care about the SE edition, as we are grown up with that. Not everyone here is 40 years old you know.
But if you propagand here (which you do) that only the original should be sold and nevermore the SE, that makes you equally as bad as George Lucas. Which you apparently hate. Hope you have a fun life of self-loathing...
They wouldn't be dumb enough to separate them.
I really Like my 2004 DVD Box with all 3 movies and the bonus material. I was glad to buy it and the Soundtrack box with the same look (but smaller). The audio commentary is great as is the making of on DVD 4. And I don't mind any of the changes except for Hayden being in the third movie (Episode 6).
I even like the prequels. Even though they are flawed. These could use some improvements too.
I'm 26, grew up with the originals. My brother who is 21 did so as well. Actually, because the special editions didn't even exist until the late 90s, you pretty much can't have grown up on them unless you're a teen or younger, unless you consider growing up on something to have seen it for the first time when you were already ten or so.
So 40 is a big exaggeration.
On top of that, people are growing up on the originals right now so it's not like you need to be over a certain age. It's not impossible to be young and have grown up on the originals, it's just impossible to be in your twenties and over and have grown up on the special editions, because they didn't exist yet.
And finally, saying "some people like it because they saw it first, and at an impressionable age" is hardly a good defense for a movie. It's like saying "some people like it, because they don't know better".
It's also insulting to insinuate that anyone who grew up with a version is unable to like another one better (for the above reason).
Oh, brother...
Some one who exaggerates ^. At any rate I had the special editions most my life, and then also the early video releases. I grew up with most the video/ home releases...
We have lazerdisc too...
1997 I was 10 years old...I would have been in the fifth grade, in grade school...
Side by side comparison with adults, to see how grown up you are in the fifth grade...
My god, time went by! They are ready for a family soon!'
Religion has got my back too...
Hey, he's single, you should look him up in a few years...
I mean damn, we have a TV show that mocks people that aren't as knowledgeable as fifth graders...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqi0DwNLJdM&feature=related
Anyways, you might not consider part of growing up way back in the fifth grade, but I sure the heck remember that as a part of my years growing up. I guess everyone is different but at the very least it's fair to feel that way.
Well, when people are defined by a decade, it's usually the decade in which they were teens. I personally feel as much, if not more, nostalgia towards my teen years as I do my child years. That's usually when you grow up past "children's" and "family-friendly" entertainment and start taking in more adult pop culture. That's not to say that younger children can't watch and appreciate Star Wars, but they're certainly not the target audience. So ten or older seems to me to be a perfect time to be able to say you grew up with something.
And you thought I was older than you? I was born in '87 too.
Good point, I watched adult movies early on, I actually remember most my early teen years, if you count being 10 years old and 11, and 12, and 13 teen years. But, to be fair, I guess it's semantics.
So while I don't understand it much either, it seems definitely of influence in the Star Wars hard-core fanclub.
It's much like the complains of wooden acting I apparently read about the original on the DVD. Well, guess what, it has always been that way...
Also, 40 is no exageration. For seeing the original in the cinema you would have been around 15. Add that that's 25 years ago. 40 years...
Er, he was not advocating that the special editions never be sold again. He simply stated a theory he has that if the originals were made available no one would bother buying the special editions any more.
Personally, I don't believe that would be the case. There are plenty of fans who are interested in seeing what things he'll tweak. Even some original fans with a morbid curiosity would probably still buy it. Whether or not the original unaltered trilogy would outsell the special editions is something else all together.
It is my contention that GL intentionally made the release of the GOUT ("George's Original Untouched Trilogy"-- ie. 2006 DVD release of the '93 laserdisc transfer) inferior so as to encourage people to bother with buying the Special Editions.
Perhaps, but they would be quite fewer and father between.
And yeah, I guess for me if I say I grew up with something, it means it was part of my life already at my earliest memories, or soon afterwards. If I first saw it when I was in middle school, then to me it's not growing up with it any more than seeing something now. Sure it's going to affect my life from now on, but not in the same way as if it had always been part of my life somehow.
I guess it's a matter of definition. I also wouldn't say "we grew up together" or "we're childhood friends" for people I met in middle school. Because, you know, it's not childhood friends when you're not a child anymore.
Anyways. My point with the "people are growing up on it now" is that some people are, so age can only tell you one way. It's impossible for people who are over 40 to have grown up with the original because they didn't exist, and it's impossible for people over a certain age to have grown up with the special editions because they didn't exist. Yet, nowadays children might be raised watching the originals or no version at all.
And you saw Star Wars for the first time at age 9? That's probably how old I was the last time I saw the trilogy, and I saw it bunches of times, although I guess I only got a censored version of the second movie. Which is also the one we watched least.
I think I saw Jedi the most, and I'd say it's definitely kid friendly. But Hope isn't that bad either as far as I can remember.
Avistew , I can see your side, interesting, thanks for sharing maturely. I got a little carried away, you balanced things back out. thank you. Both sides can be seen now and respected clearly. Thank you.
This thread covers all the popular subjects and more, i love this thread.
Greedo shooting first (despite my argument against it earlier, which was more on behalf of die-hard Star Wars fans than my own personal feelings on the issue) wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest if it had looked alright, but it didn't. It was a technically altered mess. They'd taken a still frame of Harrison Ford and added a pair of blaster shots around him, and it looks so unlifelike that it drew me out of the scene.
Likewise with the subsequent scene with Jabba. It. Just. Looks. Fake. Especially where they 'move' Han when he steps on Jabba's tail. Watch that bit and tell me it isn't awkward. The GCI Jabba doesn't even look anything like his Jedi appearance. It simply doesn't work.
The new changes for the Blu-Ray go even further. I've never liked the 'Noooooo!' because it devalued the character. It's a silly line, poorly delivered and rendered the character less credible. Now they've added it to one of the most powerful scenes in Jedi and it's done the same thing to that as well. Silence is Golden sometimes. On the other hand the CGI Yoda in Phantom is fine, because it doesn't detract from the scene. It improves it IMHO, because the Yoda puppet wasn't very good. YMMV.
As much as I'd like to see the documentaries and deleted scenes (which'll be on YouTube before long), I can't justify buying a boxset of films I already have on DVD (and, therefore, fanedited!) and do not want again in higher definition but lower quality.
Look, eventually George Lucas will have a massive heat attack and die. It'll be sad, but then the people at LucasFilm will have no excuse not to re-release the original films. So until then, let him screw up his films. Let him make changes that worsen the films rather then improve them. Let him do what he wants. Because eventually, he'll be dead. And the world will be better for it.
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Still worked when I was a kid, and man did I love the original versions.
I used to watch them loads.
They probably still work now, though not too well, as they have been in the loft for years and years! XD
I'll never buy a DVD edition as long as its edited.
I'll stick with replaying the movies in my head!
Don't let haters ruin it for you...It is what is is. I'll buy one copy or download one...I mean buy, I mean rent. I'll see them regardless.
I think you meant to say "heart attack".
But then, a heart attack would require him to actually have a heart...
This. MY EYES!
Argh, one of the mods said who was the one who always removed tags! I can't remember who it was. It was probably someone who is a huge LY GREAT GUY I LOVE HIM SO MUCH.
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Simply look at the box art for the set.
Jake Lloyd? JAKE LLOYD? They could have put so many awesome things on that cover. They could have had X-Wings and the Death Star and Han Solo and Jango Fett and Palpatine and stormtroopers and clone troopers and Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda and Chewbacca and R2-D2 and Lando Calrissian but what do they go with? Lil' 9 year old Anakin walking away from a place he never even went to before he grew up to be Hayden Christiansen. Aaaargh.
And Avistew, the Special Edition came out in theaters in 1997. The first time I saw the movies was in 1995, when we got the THX remastered VHS release. I was about eight years old.
I was about 17 in 1995. I remember watching the Special Editions when I was a senior in high school in 1997, and being puzzled at Jabba's appearance in ANH, and furious at Jedi Rocks in ROTJ.
Why? Just because it wasn't in the original movie. That's why. If id had been and he cut it out you would have been angry about that.
Yes it is one of the worst scenes in the movie but guess what: you can skip it.
This scene is the prime example of a
I even forgot it existed until I checked what it was right now. But you in your anger will never be able to forget.
That sounds about right. Only I was about five years old and I was watching the version that came before the THX remastered VHS tapes. Because that's what my church's video library had.
I'm not going to recut my own DVD. -.- Yes, it is the worst scene and the Lapti Nek scene that it replaces was perfectly fine. Besides, Jedi Rocks would never have been in the original because CGI animation didn't exist back then, and various people would probably have had the guts to tell a 30's year old George that it was stupid and didn't fit the feel of the rest of the film.
The fact that you didn't even know what Jedi Rocks was says something of your overall (dis)interest in Star Wars, so it's no wonder people can say that GL can and should change what he wants when he wants when they obviously don't care about it to begin with.
actually it doesn't I saw it last in 2004. After that I always skipped it.
As I posted: a perfect "Big Lipped Alligator Moment".
You putting too much emphasis on this 1 minute scene just shows that you care too much about Star Wars and felt a$$raped by Lucas when you were 17 and saw this.
I have Kerr's fan edit of LOTR only because my wife is a purist fan of the books, and she likes that edit better (I think primarily because it doesn't ruin Faramir.)
But I never even considered nor knew anything about readily downloadable fan edits until Darth Marsden told me about Adywan's "Star Wars Revisited" projects. I find it incredibly sad that a mere individual as Adrian Sayce can made a fan edit as absolutely fantastic as he has done with ANH:R for free; while Lucasfilm, with all its financial capital and investment in the Star Wars franchise can't even have an official release of the original trilogy on DVD without it having terrible problems such as a persistent blue tint throughout and the inability to make lightsabers the correct color.