That guy wants to change things in the movies too. It seems he doesn't like circular windows. But the lighting is much better in his version. I'll give him that.
The guy has always been a hypocrite, so I'm not surprised. I still enjoy his work. I did say it, I said it in this thread already , he's a true hypocrite.
Yeah but most people don't see him as a human being and they can hardly be reminded of it. It's like he's a police officer or something, a tragic officer, the amount of responsibility people think he has. IT IS HIS ART WORK. What is done is done, he's allowed to create new things, and no one is able to say else wise. Even if they do disagree.
Honestly, I don't think Lucas even cares what media it's on. I don't , I think he just wants to make his own adaptations, changes. That's all I think he really gives a shit about. He just puts his changes on the latest media. He doesn't really seem to care about original versions all that much.
It's his intellectual property, in that he owns the rights to it. It is, in part, his art work. There is a wide variety of cast, crew members, and screenwriters who also have partial stake in whose "artwork" the films are. Furthermore, one can(and Lucas certainly did) make the argument about cultural ownership, that is, that a culture comes to have a stake in a piece of art once it is released to the public, that it becomes a cultural icon and a piece of history, especially in cases like this one in which the work is highly influential and beloved. When something becomes a piece of history, the original has to be preserved for the purposes of preserving and respecting our cultural history, as Lucas himself argued when he was appalled that the original negatives of classic films were being altered to fit new cuts and become colorized.
Lucas only owns the films in a legal sense. Artistically, there is no argument that can be made that rightfully places him as the sole arbiter of what is and is not appropriate to do to the only in print release version facing the public. There is no artistic reason that he gets to decide how we see our history, there is no reason for him to demand that we forget it or skew it to fit a new vision of what it should have been. He should not have that right.
It's his stuff so he can do whatever he wants? So what about when he covers up an actor with someone else? Is that fine, and not insulting to the original actor at all? What when he replaces a puppet with CGI? Is it fine with the people who made and animated the puppet?
Did he get their permissions first? Did he feel he needed to? The fact is that their work is gone from the piece now, and not acknowledged anymore.
My previous post was more general because I tend to see things from a writer's point of view. A writer may write and publish new versions, but the work was his or hers to begin with. Still, banning all previous editions or versions isn't something that I would personally recommend. And yes, sometimes you fix mistakes. Spelling mistakes, or silly mistakes like having two Wednesdays in a row or forgetting two characters don't know each other yet so you add an introduction scene.
But I don't think rewriting your story constantly is something that should be done after it's published. Sure he can, but... anyways, I explained how I felt about that the first time. I still think the same.
Everybody who mentioned that a movie is not one person's work has raised a very good point, in my opinion.
It's his stuff so he can do whatever he wants? So what about when he covers up an actor with someone else? Is that fine, and not insulting to the original actor at all? What when he replaces a puppet with CGI? Is it fine with the people who made and animated the puppet?
Ask the guys who were in the Jabba puppet. And really Jabba looks a lot better in the DVD version. But the moment he touches Yoda in the originals I'll get my pitchfork and a torch.
Each of the Prequels would consist of 3 discs: The original theatrical version, the new version and a disc of bonus features
Each episode in the original trilogy would consist of 5 discs: The original theatrical version, the 1997 special edition, the 2004 special edition, the 2011 special edition and a disc of bonus features.
24 discs + 1 disc with special features and documentaries about the entire series = 25 discs that make a set where everyone wins, the people who want the originals, the people who have nostalgia for the 1997 edition, the 2004 edition (not sure why would want this one, maybe for Rifftrax, but it should be put in for good measure), and the 2011 version.
Ask the guys who were in the Jabba puppet. And really Jabba looks a lot better in the DVD version. But the moment he touches Yoda in the originals I'll get my pitchfork and a torch.
No, Jabba looks better as a puppet in ROTJ than he ever did in ANH.
Further, there is no reason for Jabba to visit Han in person in ANH. Jabba is a crime boss. Crime bosses send other people to "make him an offer he can't refuse." That's why Greedo was there. Putting Jabba with Han less than 10 minutes later not only is redundant but is also out of character for Jabba as well as crime bosses in general.
Many changes he makes are minor, such as continuity errors when R2 has a closeup in the Falcon but the background is that of the Death Star. He also does color correction, rotoscopes lightsabers and blaster shots, and does other various things; but also he completely reworked the Death Star battle in ANH, and made it so you can see Yavin in the background when the X-Wings are flying around.
If you download the DVD version, he has a setting that plays through the movie and points out all the changes as they appear onscreen.
Okay, then by rights TTG can make a King's Quest reboot wherein the main character is a talking cactus. They can do it, so they should. Nevermind what the fans think or whether it pisses the whole of the adventure gaming community off.
That's different. Telltale Games is presumably under the leadership of the original programmers and story writers from the original King's Quest series.
Anyway, In response to all the fucking whiny crybaby Star Wars fans, I don't know where your'e getting the idea that "this old movie was fine the way it was and anyone who wants to say otherwise is a fucking retard," or something like that, but if the creator wants to improve on his work, by making it a bit more realistic or adding some small details, then I say let him do it! You don't have the right to deny a moviemaker the ability to... oh, I don't know... MAKE HIS GOD DAMN MOVIES.
Also, To George Lucas: If you can read this, could you revise the prequels a bit? You know, like make Jar Jar talk in a slightly less annoying and kinda racially-insensitive voice? Your fans and I will THANK you.
I feel the issue is it doesn't matter what was done in the past, he owns Star Wars as much as he does his own house. And he can add , change the movie as his own project, regardless of what's been done, because he legally can and does...Star Wars can be edited, enhanced as seen by him, it's his intellectual property as it's been noted. Yeah, his independent film company made Star Wars...and then Skywalker Ranch and Lucasfilm...
With all due respect to all talent involved, he gave them jobs... They worked for Lucasfilm. Lucas was a man's man for the first movie, went hollywood the second, then said , forget you and went back to his own company for the rest of the franchise....
If he wants to put a telebtubby in the movies, Lucas Arts can.
Maybe it is wrong, to some one, may be even most people to change the movies, or "bann" original copies...
But, I don't think anything is being banned, that's silly. He just doesn't update the original cut to new media...and he's allowed to, he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to. If you don't want to buy it then don't.
BUT, I do and always respect Mr. Dashing's posts. I still have to see the other side of this. I myself would like to see the original cuts updated to new media so that we have copies, but that's simply not where it's at and what's happening.
I see why fans are upset. XD, again Lucas has always been a hypocrite. Quoting him is useless.
And he is updating the material as he sees fit. And if he doesn't like something about the movies, or didn't like something, he could have FIRED any other talent involved with his film projects. And now he is legally allowed to, entitled to change anything that he wants to, or fire any one who works for him...
If he didn't like the way vader was voiced, he could tell a Australian to change his acting role, or fire him...
And this goes on for all talent involved.
AND , you think Lucas's work is yours? He has a ranch called Skywalker Ranch, he had a independent film company and made one of the greatest movies of all time wayyyy wayyy under budget. ESB he went Hollywood then he went back to being his own boss and influenced the entire world, yes influenced and worked his way into things such as Disney , all as his own boss.
You think you own Star Wars more than he does!? He's company is called LucasFilm and he lives on skywalker ranch!
He's freaking house looks like a star wars museum.
THIS MAN HAS ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN ANY FILM DIRECTOR WILL IN A LIFE TIME AND HAS MONOPOLIZED HIMSELF WITHIN THE WORLD MORE THAN ANY FILM DIRECTOR WILL. And, he did it his own way, and he did it as his own boss.
Who are you, who are any of you to tell this man he can't do what he wants to do,if Lucasfilm wants to put a sex scene with wampas in it it can...
He is his own boss, did things his own way and is very successful. How dare any of you think you can tell him what to do, he isn't just another hollywood smuck!
He influenced the entire world, the ENTIRE world all by himself with his own company. HOW DARE YOU!
He influenced you, you don't own anything, he influenced you!
If he were here, he'd set you all straight on this.
Anyway, In response to all the fucking whiny crybaby Star Wars fans, I don't know where your'e getting the idea that "this old movie was fine the way it was and anyone who wants to say otherwise is a fucking retard," or something like that,...
Nobody is saying that.
...but if the creator wants to improve on his work, by making it a bit more realistic or adding some small details, then I say let him do it! You don't have the right to deny a moviemaker the ability to... oh, I don't know... MAKE HIS GOD DAMN MOVIES.
Again, nobody is saying otherwise. We just want the old versions as well. There have been enough changes to put people on either side of the fence and, subsequently, enough changes to warrant two versions. One updated and one of the original. Don't try to tell us we're retarded for wanting that. It's perfectly reasonable.
Also, with each of his threads and postings, Doodo creeps me out more and more... what IS going on??
I don't know how to answer that. I know I'm not on a philosophical musing period right now. I'm just sort of being psychotic like the rest of humanity...maybe a little in my own way. Anyways, this thread is not about me. So, back to George Lucas and Bluray...
Anyway, In response to all the fucking whiny crybaby Star Wars fans, I don't know where your'e getting the idea that "this old movie was fine the way it was and anyone who wants to say otherwise is a fucking retard," or something like that, but if the creator wants to improve on his work, by making it a bit more realistic or adding some small details, then I say let him do it! You don't have the right to deny a moviemaker the ability to... oh, I don't know... MAKE HIS GOD DAMN MOVIES.
I repeat: Calm the fuck down. This is not constructive, and as much as I don't want to shut this thread down, I will if you guys can't keep it civil. Most of you have done a good job keeping your cool, so thank you for that. This is just a reminder to keep it that way.
Ya know, they should really release the originals on blue ray too. But, I still say this release is removed from that, and not part of the same project, motive.
We just want the old versions as well. There have been enough changes to put people on either side of the fence and, subsequently, enough changes to warrant two versions. One updated and one of the original. Don't try to tell us we're retarded for wanting that. It's perfectly reasonable.
Yes, this. If there was to be an official HD or even DVD quality widescreen release of the original version (ie. not special edition) of the original trilogy, I wouldn't be making near as big a stink. Certainly GL would remain a hypocritical dullard in my opinion for many of his ridiculous changes in SE, but I would still buy said release of the originals without question.
The release of the original versions on the 2004 DVD were simply a straight laserdisc transfer. It was neither widescreen (only letterbox) nor DVD quality picture/sound. As such, it doesn't count as it would be of no better quality than a pristine copy of the THX updates on VHS when they were new (though those were pan-and-scan).
I did discover that the THX VHS release did have a widescreen release as well. It's out there somewhere. I've seen pictures. Sadly, it's not the box set I used to own.
I cant muster up the strength to really care anymore what George has done to the movies... I used to REALLY care... But I think I have just gotten used to it.
I have not even bought this set... I know I will but I guess I am not in a hurry... There was a time when I would have taken a week off from work and thrown a crazy week long star wars party to watch the movies and play the games and everything else.. hmmm now that I think about it I wonder if I can talk my wife into wearing the gold bikini...
I repeat: Calm the fuck down. This is not constructive, and as much as I don't want to shut this thread down, I will if you guys can't keep it civil. Most of you have done a good job keeping your cool, so thank you for that. This is just a reminder to keep it that way.
Sorry about my rant, I was just upset at the fact that for every single TV series or series, there's an whiny fanbase that goes along with it. The fans who claim to OWN something and that it's original creator has no say in how it should be made are just the WORST kind of fan imaginable. The SW fanbase is a textbook example of this.
How exactly does adding a few minor touch-ups to a scene render it completely unacceptable for viewing? Keep in mind, not EVERYTHING in the original movies looked one hundred percent perfect.
You call changing a short scene in Return of the Jedi with some some minor background music (Sy Snoodles singing Lapti Nek before the slave is dropped to the rancor pit) into a long, fake-looking, extremely obnoxious music video (Jedi Rocks) a minor touch-up??
You call this a minor change, and say that an organic looking Sy Snoodles is inferior to an obviously fake CGI one that gets so close to the camera as to almost kiss it? Ridiculous.
You call changing a short scene in Return of the Jedi with some some minor background music (Sy Snoodles singing Lapti Nek before the slave is dropped to the rancor pit) into a long, fake-looking, extremely obnoxious music video (Jedi Rocks) a minor touch-up??
You call this a minor change, and say that an organic looking Sy Snoodles is inferior to an obviously fake CGI one that gets so close to the camera as to almost kiss it? Ridiculous.
The point is that Han Solo acting in self defense is different from taking the initiative to kill. Lots of people will fight back, that's a survival instinct. But the question is, are you willing to take the first initiative to kill another individual? Even in a tense circumstance, would you willingly take someone else's life? Han Solo is a killer, maybe charming but still a guy who runs in rough circles and is willing to murder. That's the difference between him and a Luke Skywalker. Luke would wait for someone else to cross the line. Han Solo is willing to be the one who crosses.
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Yeah but most people don't see him as a human being and they can hardly be reminded of it. It's like he's a police officer or something, a tragic officer, the amount of responsibility people think he has. IT IS HIS ART WORK. What is done is done, he's allowed to create new things, and no one is able to say else wise. Even if they do disagree.
Honestly, I don't think Lucas even cares what media it's on. I don't , I think he just wants to make his own adaptations, changes. That's all I think he really gives a shit about. He just puts his changes on the latest media. He doesn't really seem to care about original versions all that much.
Lucas only owns the films in a legal sense. Artistically, there is no argument that can be made that rightfully places him as the sole arbiter of what is and is not appropriate to do to the only in print release version facing the public. There is no artistic reason that he gets to decide how we see our history, there is no reason for him to demand that we forget it or skew it to fit a new vision of what it should have been. He should not have that right.
Did he get their permissions first? Did he feel he needed to? The fact is that their work is gone from the piece now, and not acknowledged anymore.
My previous post was more general because I tend to see things from a writer's point of view. A writer may write and publish new versions, but the work was his or hers to begin with. Still, banning all previous editions or versions isn't something that I would personally recommend. And yes, sometimes you fix mistakes. Spelling mistakes, or silly mistakes like having two Wednesdays in a row or forgetting two characters don't know each other yet so you add an introduction scene.
But I don't think rewriting your story constantly is something that should be done after it's published. Sure he can, but... anyways, I explained how I felt about that the first time. I still think the same.
Everybody who mentioned that a movie is not one person's work has raised a very good point, in my opinion.
Ask the guys who were in the Jabba puppet. And really Jabba looks a lot better in the DVD version. But the moment he touches Yoda in the originals I'll get my pitchfork and a torch.
The complete series on Blu-Ray.
Each of the Prequels would consist of 3 discs: The original theatrical version, the new version and a disc of bonus features
Each episode in the original trilogy would consist of 5 discs: The original theatrical version, the 1997 special edition, the 2004 special edition, the 2011 special edition and a disc of bonus features.
24 discs + 1 disc with special features and documentaries about the entire series = 25 discs that make a set where everyone wins, the people who want the originals, the people who have nostalgia for the 1997 edition, the 2004 edition (not sure why would want this one, maybe for Rifftrax, but it should be put in for good measure), and the 2011 version.
Each disc painstakingly restored.
It will never happen, but it sure would be nice.
No, Jabba looks better as a puppet in ROTJ than he ever did in ANH.
Further, there is no reason for Jabba to visit Han in person in ANH. Jabba is a crime boss. Crime bosses send other people to "make him an offer he can't refuse." That's why Greedo was there. Putting Jabba with Han less than 10 minutes later not only is redundant but is also out of character for Jabba as well as crime bosses in general.
You're not supposed to like him. The CGI Jabba is just pitiful. It's not at all intimidating, in any way whatsoever.
Many changes he makes are minor, such as continuity errors when R2 has a closeup in the Falcon but the background is that of the Death Star. He also does color correction, rotoscopes lightsabers and blaster shots, and does other various things; but also he completely reworked the Death Star battle in ANH, and made it so you can see Yavin in the background when the X-Wings are flying around.
If you download the DVD version, he has a setting that plays through the movie and points out all the changes as they appear onscreen.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-IV-2004-REVISITED-ADYWAN-720p-HD-version-coming-after-ROTJ-R/topic/5942/
http://fanedit.org/517/
http://www.youtube.com/user/adywanuk
That's different. Telltale Games is presumably under the leadership of the original programmers and story writers from the original King's Quest series.
Anyway, In response to all the fucking whiny crybaby Star Wars fans, I don't know where your'e getting the idea that "this old movie was fine the way it was and anyone who wants to say otherwise is a fucking retard," or something like that, but if the creator wants to improve on his work, by making it a bit more realistic or adding some small details, then I say let him do it! You don't have the right to deny a moviemaker the ability to... oh, I don't know... MAKE HIS GOD DAMN MOVIES.
Also, To George Lucas: If you can read this, could you revise the prequels a bit? You know, like make Jar Jar talk in a slightly less annoying and kinda racially-insensitive voice? Your fans and I will THANK you.
With all due respect to all talent involved, he gave them jobs... They worked for Lucasfilm. Lucas was a man's man for the first movie, went hollywood the second, then said , forget you and went back to his own company for the rest of the franchise....
If he wants to put a telebtubby in the movies, Lucas Arts can.
Maybe it is wrong, to some one, may be even most people to change the movies, or "bann" original copies...
But, I don't think anything is being banned, that's silly. He just doesn't update the original cut to new media...and he's allowed to, he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to. If you don't want to buy it then don't.
BUT, I do and always respect Mr. Dashing's posts. I still have to see the other side of this. I myself would like to see the original cuts updated to new media so that we have copies, but that's simply not where it's at and what's happening.
I see why fans are upset. XD, again Lucas has always been a hypocrite. Quoting him is useless.
And he is updating the material as he sees fit. And if he doesn't like something about the movies, or didn't like something, he could have FIRED any other talent involved with his film projects. And now he is legally allowed to, entitled to change anything that he wants to, or fire any one who works for him...
If he didn't like the way vader was voiced, he could tell a Australian to change his acting role, or fire him...
And this goes on for all talent involved.
AND , you think Lucas's work is yours? He has a ranch called Skywalker Ranch, he had a independent film company and made one of the greatest movies of all time wayyyy wayyy under budget. ESB he went Hollywood then he went back to being his own boss and influenced the entire world, yes influenced and worked his way into things such as Disney , all as his own boss.
You think you own Star Wars more than he does!? He's company is called LucasFilm and he lives on skywalker ranch!
He's freaking house looks like a star wars museum.
THIS MAN HAS ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN ANY FILM DIRECTOR WILL IN A LIFE TIME AND HAS MONOPOLIZED HIMSELF WITHIN THE WORLD MORE THAN ANY FILM DIRECTOR WILL. And, he did it his own way, and he did it as his own boss.
Who are you, who are any of you to tell this man he can't do what he wants to do,if Lucasfilm wants to put a sex scene with wampas in it it can...
He is his own boss, did things his own way and is very successful. How dare any of you think you can tell him what to do, he isn't just another hollywood smuck!
He influenced the entire world, the ENTIRE world all by himself with his own company. HOW DARE YOU!
He influenced you, you don't own anything, he influenced you!
If he were here, he'd set you all straight on this.
Skywalker ranch, and he did it his way.
GEORGE LUCAS IS THE MAN!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baRCq3twqww&feature=related
You think you can tell him what to do!? He did it his way! He's the boss! He's GEORGE LUCAS!!!
IF HE WANTS TO UPDATE HIS MATERIAL BACK OFF! HE CAN HE WILL HE'S GEORGE LUCAS!
If you want something else, too bad, he does it his way!
Last but not least to all haters!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svC_yqKPKds
Black and white...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14rEccGqEsI&feature=related
Nobody is saying that.
Again, nobody is saying otherwise. We just want the old versions as well. There have been enough changes to put people on either side of the fence and, subsequently, enough changes to warrant two versions. One updated and one of the original. Don't try to tell us we're retarded for wanting that. It's perfectly reasonable.
Better listen to Puzzlebox, Dood. Remember rule number one of every forum: Do not taunt the moderators.
You a blue cool dude...
My other posts were on topic, I only did it once. I had valid points in my post on the page before.
But, you're right StrongBrush. I better get my mind civil.
I don't know how to answer that. I know I'm not on a philosophical musing period right now. I'm just sort of being psychotic like the rest of humanity...maybe a little in my own way. Anyways, this thread is not about me. So, back to George Lucas and Bluray...
I repeat: Calm the fuck down. This is not constructive, and as much as I don't want to shut this thread down, I will if you guys can't keep it civil. Most of you have done a good job keeping your cool, so thank you for that. This is just a reminder to keep it that way.
if by "improve" you mean ruin....
Yes, this. If there was to be an official HD or even DVD quality widescreen release of the original version (ie. not special edition) of the original trilogy, I wouldn't be making near as big a stink. Certainly GL would remain a hypocritical dullard in my opinion for many of his ridiculous changes in SE, but I would still buy said release of the originals without question.
The release of the original versions on the 2004 DVD were simply a straight laserdisc transfer. It was neither widescreen (only letterbox) nor DVD quality picture/sound. As such, it doesn't count as it would be of no better quality than a pristine copy of the THX updates on VHS when they were new (though those were pan-and-scan).
I have not even bought this set... I know I will but I guess I am not in a hurry... There was a time when I would have taken a week off from work and thrown a crazy week long star wars party to watch the movies and play the games and everything else.. hmmm now that I think about it I wonder if I can talk my wife into wearing the gold bikini...
Sorry about my rant, I was just upset at the fact that for every single TV series or series, there's an whiny fanbase that goes along with it. The fans who claim to OWN something and that it's original creator has no say in how it should be made are just the WORST kind of fan imaginable. The SW fanbase is a textbook example of this.
How exactly does adding a few minor touch-ups to a scene render it completely unacceptable for viewing? Keep in mind, not EVERYTHING in the original movies looked one hundred percent perfect.
You call this a minor change, and say that an organic looking Sy Snoodles is inferior to an obviously fake CGI one that gets so close to the camera as to almost kiss it? Ridiculous.
This is Lapti Nek
This is Jedi Rocks
Don't you dare tell me Jedi Rocks is superior, especially when considering the context of the rest of the film.
Ever consider the fact that you might be... oh, I don't know... putting a little too much thought into this?
Han. Shot. First.
Seriously, changing that will haunt George Lucas to his grave.
It was hardly there for a frame. Why is that such a big deal to everyone?
How? He still killed him.