It was hardly there for a frame. Why is that such a big deal to everyone?
Well for one, it's horribly done. Watch Han move. That's just plain not natural. Subsequent attempts to touch this up have not fixed the issue.
Second, it changes the character, as DAISHI says. Before, Han kills Greedo in cold blood. It makes him a very firm anti-hero. Over the course of the film, that changes and he becomes a proper hero. It's a much more interesting journey and (if you want to be a nerd) it's a nice moment back to his roots. He did what he had to to survive, including killing others at point blank range.
With the changes, he's now just defending himself (from a rather poor shot, one might add), which lessens the impact of the scene and changes Han into a lovable rogue. Which means audiences think of him as that from the start, so the journey he goes through is rather different, hence the controversy.
EDIT: Ninja'd. Shouldn't have spent five minutes looking for a 1997 Special Edition clip on Youtube.
With the changes, he's now just defending himself (from a rather poor shot, one might add), which lessens the impact of the scene and changes Han into a lovable rogue. Which means audiences think of him as that from the start, so the journey he goes through is rather different, hence the controversy.
He was defending himself to begin with. The line was "Over my dead body." "That's the idea." He was going to kill him.
He was defending himself to begin with. The line was "Over my dead body." "That's the idea." He was going to kill him.
You know what I mean. There's a difference between planning on killing someone and only shooting someone after they've shot at you, which is what the edited scene looks like.
You know what I mean. There's a difference between planning on killing someone and only shooting someone after they've shot at you, which is what the edited scene looks like.
He was still planning on shooting him. That's why he was reaching for his gun.
Oh for God's sake. In the original version, yes, he was always planning on shooting him.
In the newer versions, it now looks like it was for self-defence - if he'd been able to reason with Greedo, he'd have put the gun away again. But he couldn't reason with Greedo, who shot him, meaning he had to shoot back.
Y'know what? I can't be bothered with this any more. If you can't see why the change was bad, then good for you. But plenty of others can, and that's the point.
Lapti Nek and Yub Nub were both superior, more catchy, and more moving in the case of Yub Nub, than the new crap they replaced them with. The way the orchestra joins in near the end of Yub Nub just lifts the emotional bar up a few notches....the new "Celebration" track is just freaking boring.
I see the change as stupid and pointless. I just don't understand why it's such a big deal.
I assume you're watching movies mostly for the visuals or just a light entertainment on the side while surfing the web or something, right? At least it doesn't appear like you actually care for storytelling, characters or maybe intentions...
I assume you're watching movies mostly for the visuals or just a light entertainment on the side while surfing the web or something, right? At least it doesn't appear like you actually care for storytelling, characters or maybe intentions...
The fuck does 1 frame of a laser have to do with the overall storytelling? If all I cared about was the effects, I would be on board with you guys because, the way Han's head shifts to the side looks godawful. All I said was it's not a big deal.
I think the change about Han solo IS pointless. However I do agree with the rage. See, Lucas's problem, in my opinion, is that he takes scenes with a dramatical tension to them, looks at them and thinks "too subtle" and pastes something on top of them.
Han shot because Greedo was threatening him. He gets ready to shoot, he shoots. He does it because it has to be done and he doesn't get all torn up about it. That's the kind of character he is. But he didn't just shoot Greedo for no reason, no, he did it because Greedo was obviously a threat to him.
Lucas somehow felt it wasn't obvious enough in the original scene, so he added the "Greedo shoots first" thing. Which doesn't change much except from being crude and making his point less subtle and obvious. Also, Han becomes more of a moron. What's the point of getting your gun ready if they only reason you don't die is that the person in front of you is the worst shoot ever? Obviously he was trying to pre-emptively get him, that's why he got his gun ready and all. Having him shooting too late takes away from that. Han is the kind of guy who will get rid of the problem before it's too late, that's what the original scene is telling me.
The new scene tells me, Han wants to get rid of the problem before it's too late, but he waits too long, but he gets lucky anyways.
It's a similar thought process with the Darth Vader "Noooo!" as well. Vader looking back and forth was plenty for us to understand his inner struggle. His actions let us know what he decided. Instead Lucas feels the need to dub over it with a "No! No!" that makes no sense. His struggle should be inner. Would the Emperor really not notice it?
Really, what it all looks like to me is that Luas is looking at the work, thinking it's too subtle, and is trying to subtitle it so it's easier to get. Most of the offense comes from the fact that it assumes the audience wouldn't get it otherwise. He's trying to use a sledgehammer on the viewers with these kinds of small changes. They don't change what is going on, but they change the quality of the final product, in my opinion.
The fuck does 1 frame of a laser have to do with the overall storytelling? If all I cared about was the effects, I would be on board with you guys because, the way Han's head shifts to the side looks godawful. All I said was it's not a big deal.
I think the change about Han solo IS pointless. However I do agree with the rage. See, Lucas's problem, in my opinion, is that he takes scenes with a dramatical tension to them, looks at them and thinks "too subtle" and pastes something on top of them.
Han shot because Greedo was threatening him. He gets ready to shoot, he shoots. He does it because it has to be done and he doesn't get all torn up about it. That's the kind of character he is. But he didn't just shoot Greedo for no reason, no, he did it because Greedo was obviously a threat to him.
Lucas somehow felt it wasn't obvious enough in the original scene, so he added the "Greedo shoots first" thing. Which doesn't change much except from being crude and making his point less subtle and obvious. Also, Han becomes more of a moron. What's the point of getting your gun ready if they only reason you don't die is that the person in front of you is the worst shoot ever? Obviously he was trying to pre-emptively get him, that's why he got his gun ready and all. Having him shooting too late takes away from that. Han is the kind of guy who will get rid of the problem before it's too late, that's what the original scene is telling me.
The new scene tells me, Han wants to get rid of the problem before it's too late, but he waits too long, but he gets lucky anyways.
It's a similar thought process with the Darth Vader "Noooo!" as well. Vader looking back and forth was plenty for us to understand his inner struggle. His actions let us know what he decided. Instead Lucas feels the need to dub over it with a "No! No!" that makes no sense. His struggle should be inner. Would the Emperor really not notice it?
Really, what it all looks like to me is that Luas is looking at the work, thinking it's too subtle, and is trying to subtitle it so it's easier to get. Most of the offense comes from the fact that it assumes the audience wouldn't get it otherwise. He's trying to use a sledgehammer on the viewers with these kinds of small changes. They don't change what is going on, but they change the quality of the final product, in my opinion.
Excellent point, but to be honest, I think that these subtle changes aren't that big of a deal, that they're just added for clarity, and actually somewhat clever when you think about it a certain way.
The "Han vs. Greedo" thing isn't really that big of a deal for me. Like Avistew said, Han shot Greedo because he was an obvious threat, making the edit seem pointless. However, it does somewhat fill in the plot hole of "Why didn't Greedo shoot when he had the chance to?" It was obvious that Greedo came into the the cantina with the intent to hunt down Han Solo, obviously not planning on letting him live.
Long story short, the added shot, while making Greedo seem like an amateur marksman (Even though the imperial army is full of these), does put out of mind the Reason why Greedo, who had tracked down Han with the intent of killing him when he had the chance, didn't even bother to think of pulling the trigger until it was too late.
Also, I don't see why the simple addition of "no" ruins the dramatic tension of Anakin Skywalker's final struggle. All that the "No" adds is a bit more realism. Let's look at it this way: If you had been lied to all your life, been given orders that you wouldn't have followed under normal circumstances, and now, to top it all off, your boss told your son to kill you and replace you, you would get confused if you saw him decline.
You would think to yourself, "I've traumatized him, I've tried to turn him to the dark side, I've tried to KILL him, and now he's letting me live? Why?" Before you have time to think it over, you see your boss flip out and start electrocuting your son to death. You finally realize what has been going on, and that the evil man who has been using you and lying to you for all of your miserable life is trying to kill your own flesh and blood. If you were in this position, would you keep silent, or would you let out your frustration when you finally decide enough is enough?
Exactly, there are people saying that single frame raped their childhood. People really need to start accepting that they're not kids anymore and that whoever owns the film can make whatever changes they want. It has nothing to do with the goddamn storytelling. If that's the biggest thing why aren't you complaining about Luke kissing Leia and not caring when he finds out it's his sister? That seems a tad more important than one singe laser.
First of all, I'm sorry if you've already responded to something very similar to what I'm posting here, I found myself disagreeing so strongly with your post (and I'm so fed up with that argument after having heard countless renditions of it over the years) that I had to reply right away.
In other words, I did not read the full thread before posting.
He's making hte movie as he wants to. The original film is inferior in Lucas' eyes, so he seeks to improve it.
Also, no, it does not belong to the fans. George Lucas and Lucasfilm own Star Wars.
Who cares if he has the legal right to mess with these movies?
The whole point of the thread is that it's a very *lame* thing to do, and I fully agree with that.
Do you have something you're really passionate about?
Say you really loved some modern series of games, like God of War or something like that... if they decided to release the next sequel as an educational title for little girls, would you still just accept it so easily?
I mean, it would obviously be fully within their rights to do so, but again the point would be the same - they would not be doing anything illegal but they would be doing something incredibly lame!
Regardless of how you feel about Lucas' changes to these movies - why bother bringing up the fact that Lucas has the legal right to make them? I doubt anyone here didn't already know that, and it's obviously not what the thread is about.
If you like the changes, fine - argue in defense of them. There's little point in talking about Lucas' legal rights to do whatever he damn well pleases.
Oh and also - this is one of the arguments I often hear in defense of various annoying DRM schemes used for games these days... people will say it's their right to use whatever DRM they want, it's their property... as if what was being discussed were the legalities of it, which it hardly ever is.
Avistew nailed it. The rage comes from George thinking the audience is too stupid to get the subtleties. I don't mind some of the aesthetic changes. Like the longer sequence when driving into Mos Eisley for the first time. Really opened up the settlement to seem huge and bustling. Not that it didn't before, but it was a nice addition. There are things I'm willing to accept. But lines can and have been crossed in the case of Star Wars.
I think we can all agree that George Lucas is a very self-centred man. He'll make his changes, which he's perfectly within his rights to do as many have said, but without a care as to how anybody else feels about it or who gets the short end of the deal. It's almost admirable. He reminds me of William Shatner in a way...
How exactly does adding a few minor touch-ups to a scene render it completely unacceptable for viewing? Keep in mind, not EVERYTHING in the original movies looked one hundred percent perfect.
You call changing a short scene in Return of the Jedi with some some minor background music (Sy Snoodles singing Lapti Nek before the slave is dropped to the rancor pit) into a long, fake-looking, extremely obnoxious music video (Jedi Rocks) a minor touch-up??
You call this a minor change, and say that an organic looking Sy Snoodles is inferior to an obviously fake CGI one that gets so close to the camera as to almost kiss it? Ridiculous.
Ever consider the fact that you might be... oh, I don't know... putting a little too much thought into this?
No.
Jabba coming to see Han in ANH is stupid and pointless but I can tolerate it. Changing the Anakin force ghost to Hayden is stupid and forces too many questions but I can tolerate it.
One thing (among several) I can't tolerate is that damn Jedi Rocks song. It's the one thing about the whole saga (including the prequels) that I hate most.
Also, one wonders how long it has been since the people on here who don't understand the need for including the originals have gone without recently watching them.
But, COME ON! That is what this is all about! You guys are upset there is no Blu Ray release. It's not fair to complain about something that is the way it's meant to be, is what it is. It's insanity. XD
This is a Special Edition, touch up version. There is no Star Wars original cut to Blu Ray edition to complain about. Seriously did you really expect one from George?
People are complaining that a wagon doesn't use square wheels!
I don't care what the way it was supposed to be was. He should have made it that way to begin with. It was made a certain way and that's what we've all lived with for 30 years. You can't just replace that and say the old doesn't matter. It's classic.
The fact that there is no original cut Blu Ray edition is exactly what we're complaining about. If there was one we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your post makes no sense. And no, we're not complaining a wagon doesn't use square wheels. We're complaining that a wagon is now using modern black walls when we want the wooden ones back. It's overkill. There's been enough changes to warrant two versions. Like I said, minor aesthetics and extending scenes like Mos Eisely are fine, but changing whole musical numbers, replacing actors, adding lines for greater (too much) exposition, etc is just ridiculous. These are things we loved about the originals that we can never see anymore. Why can't they get some love too?
I don't care what the way it was supposed to be was. He should have made it that way to begin with. It was made a certain way and that's what we've all lived with for 30 years. You can't just replace that and say the old doesn't matter. It's classic.
The fact that there is no original cut Blu Ray edition is exactly what we're complaining about. If there was one we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your post makes no sense. And no, we're not complaining a wagon doesn't use square wheels. We're complaining that a wagon is now using modern black walls when we want the wooden ones back. It's overkill. There's been enough changes to warrant two versions. Like I said, minor aesthetics and extending scenes like Mos Eisely are fine, but changing whole musical numbers, replacing actors, adding lines for greater (too much) exposition, etc is just ridiculous. These are things we loved about the originals that we can never see anymore. Why can't they get some love too?
Made sense to me, and I think I've went full circle with you. Thanks for sharing.
That's another thing I keep trying to bring up. I guess the difference is people get angry over it where as I accept it as his personal choice, such as it is. People feel like he owes them something or that he's ...I don't know owes them something?
I do love Star Wars, but I don't know...I mean he really is just another human being who rose to success, owns his own film company and can do any project he wants. We can all hope in the future he releases the original cuts on Bluray...
I don't know...
Peace, everyone. Whatever I said, then Muscially Inspired said= thread, for me, I guess. But I like talking about Star Wars.
I'm really with you on Jedi Rocks, Chyron. As much as I loathe Greedo shooting first, it doesn't destroy the film for me the way Jedi Rocks does. Jedi Rocks is just awful. Even the name of the song is awful. In fact, my ROTJ VHS is more worn out than my VHSes for the other two just because I really can't stand to watch my ROTJ DVD.
It makes me wonder if there's ever been anyone in Lucas' cadre of yes-men that surround him to stand up to him on some of this stuff. Yes, he owns it, but there is plenty of making-of footage from the prequels that show him "brainstorming" with Rick McCallum, etc. I wonder if there have been even worse changes that people have talked him out of.
Hmm, I wonder if people here also complain about "patches" for games. They alter stuff. With Steam, they aren't even an option most of the times. Old vs. new.
Do you guys also complain there?
I don't mind most changes, except for Hayden at the end of VI. But I am going to watch my "aweful laser-thingied" DVD tonight to see what all the fuss's about, got interested...
Really, what it all looks like to me is that Luas is looking at the work, thinking it's too subtle, and is trying to subtitle it so it's easier to get. Most of the offense comes from the fact that it assumes the audience wouldn't get it otherwise. He's trying to use a sledgehammer on the viewers with these kinds of small changes. They don't change what is going on, but they change the quality of the final product, in my opinion.
Geeh, sounds like how game development is done these days. It's called "streamlining" or "dumbing down"... No wonder George figures out we need it more clarified with all the morons these days.
Sollution of "not buying" seems to be too difficult too...
There is no fuss with the DVD Lazerdisc transfers, people just hating. Ok, it's technologically imperfect, or something...resolution is bad or something. I can't imagine the actual original is any better or worse, but apparently it is.
Hmm, I wonder if people here also complain about "patches" for games. They alter stuff. With Steam, they aren't even an option most of the times. Old vs. new.
Most game patches either fix bugs, which obviously isn't an issue movies have, or add new content. Adding new content isn't likely to offend anyone. I'm not going to be upset that World of Warcraft has a new dungeon to play through, or that there's a few new hats for me to wear in Team Fortress.
Likewise, the "controversy" here isn't with adding new content. I don't hear many people upset that Lucas added in the Jabba and Biggs scenes that were originally cut from A New Hope when the Special Editions came out. Most people that I know that own the Lord of the Rings films own the extended editions.
The controversy comes from altering what was already there. To use both a patching and Star Wars example, go look for opinions from Star Wars Galaxies players about the New Game Enhancements patch that drastically altered the gameplay. You're not going to find a lot of love there.
Altering scenes from the movie, and then refusing to provide people the chance to buy the originals instead, would be equivalent to Nintendo changing levels of Super Mario Bros., putting Super Mario Bros.: Special Edition! on the Wii Virtual Console, and then refusing to sell the original as well. You can make the argument to "go play your original NES cart," but a lot of those don't work anymore, and kids who are too young to have had one are stuck. You can make the argument that we can all just watch our Star Wars VHS tapes forever, but what happens when the tape gives out, or when our VCRs no longer work?
Simply put, people do not want things they love to go away forever. Lucas can make all the changes he wants, and nobody would have a problem with that, if he wasn't doing it while simultaneously refusing (for no good reason!) to provide us with the old school as well.
Altering scenes from the movie, and then refusing to provide people the chance to buy the originals instead, would be equivalent to Nintendo changing levels of Super Mario Bros., putting Super Mario Bros.: Special Edition! on the Wii Virtual Console, and then refusing to sell the original as well. You can make the argument to "go play your original NES cart," but a lot of those don't work anymore, and kids who are too young to have had one are stuck. You can make the argument that we can all just watch our Star Wars VHS tapes forever, but what happens when the tape gives out, or when our VCRs no longer work?
I like that analogy.
Especially since I lent my NES and games to my second-cousin several years ago and haven't seen it since, so I can't play SMB on my old NES anymore.
@Doodo, if you're talking about the laserdisc transfers, they are low quality and low resolution (it's letterbox; widescreen in a full screen resolution, so it's even lower resolution than average fullscreen!). Even if they were upscaled, they haven't been remastered with sharper colouring and better sound (ie- like the THX VHS box set).
Altering scenes from the movie, and then refusing to provide people the chance to buy the originals instead, would be equivalent to Nintendo changing levels of Super Mario Bros., putting Super Mario Bros.: Special Edition! on the Wii Virtual Console, and then refusing to sell the original as well. You can make the argument to "go play your original NES cart," but a lot of those don't work anymore, and kids who are too young to have had one are stuck.
You've just reminded me about the Goldeneye N64 vs Goldeneye Wii issue.
Simply put, people do not want things they love to go away forever. Lucas can make all the changes he wants, and nobody would have a problem with that, if he wasn't doing it while simultaneously refusing (for no good reason!) to provide us with the old school as well.
Basically this. Every other movie franchise out there that has multiple cuts bundles all of them together in one package, or sells an alternate special edition with the new features. This is the norm. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example. And Blade Runner. It's just irritating that George isn't playing ball and offering everything.
They didn't change anything in Super Mario All Stars. They just updated the graphics. They DID NOT ALTER levels. And which version is the one you can buy now on the virtual console? That's right, the NES original. All Stars isn't available anywhere anymore.
They didn't change anything in Super Mario All Stars. They just updated the graphics. They DID NOT ALTER levels. And which version is the one you can buy now on the virtual console? That's right, the NES original. All Stars isn't available anywhere anymore.
The original wasn't available on SNES and all George Lucas did was change the graphics for his movie.
The original wasn't available on SNES and all George Lucas did was change the graphics for his movie.
Have even watched the original version of the Star Wars OT?
He did a hell of a lot more than improve the graphics, and he didn't even do that properly. If you pay attention to Adywan's fanedit he points out that the SE version on DVD all have this blue tint to them throughout the entire trilogy.
Have even watched the original version of the Star Wars OT?
He did a hell of a lot more than improve the graphics, and he didn't even do that properly. If you pay attention to Adywan's fanedit he points out that the SE version on DVD all have this blue tint to them throughout the entire trilogy.
A blue tint is an effect. I do agree about the music, though. (Jedi Rocks made my ears bleed.)
It's not an effect, it's a flaw in the update. It's persistent throughout.
Also, would you call Jedi Rocks; Hayden as a force ghost; and Greedo shooting first simple graphical updates? No.
I'm pretty sure the blue tint was intentional. Also, the force ghost and Greedo shooting first were basically graphical updates, because it doesn't effect the story. Just like how Mario went from 8 bit to 16 bit.
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Second, it changes the character, as DAISHI says. Before, Han kills Greedo in cold blood. It makes him a very firm anti-hero. Over the course of the film, that changes and he becomes a proper hero. It's a much more interesting journey and (if you want to be a nerd) it's a nice moment back to his roots. He did what he had to to survive, including killing others at point blank range.
With the changes, he's now just defending himself (from a rather poor shot, one might add), which lessens the impact of the scene and changes Han into a lovable rogue. Which means audiences think of him as that from the start, so the journey he goes through is rather different, hence the controversy.
EDIT: Ninja'd. Shouldn't have spent five minutes looking for a 1997 Special Edition clip on Youtube.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first
He was defending himself to begin with. The line was "Over my dead body." "That's the idea." He was going to kill him.
That doesn't answer my question.
He was still planning on shooting him. That's why he was reaching for his gun.
In the newer versions, it now looks like it was for self-defence - if he'd been able to reason with Greedo, he'd have put the gun away again. But he couldn't reason with Greedo, who shot him, meaning he had to shoot back.
Y'know what? I can't be bothered with this any more. If you can't see why the change was bad, then good for you. But plenty of others can, and that's the point.
Han shot because Greedo was threatening him. He gets ready to shoot, he shoots. He does it because it has to be done and he doesn't get all torn up about it. That's the kind of character he is. But he didn't just shoot Greedo for no reason, no, he did it because Greedo was obviously a threat to him.
Lucas somehow felt it wasn't obvious enough in the original scene, so he added the "Greedo shoots first" thing. Which doesn't change much except from being crude and making his point less subtle and obvious. Also, Han becomes more of a moron. What's the point of getting your gun ready if they only reason you don't die is that the person in front of you is the worst shoot ever? Obviously he was trying to pre-emptively get him, that's why he got his gun ready and all. Having him shooting too late takes away from that. Han is the kind of guy who will get rid of the problem before it's too late, that's what the original scene is telling me.
The new scene tells me, Han wants to get rid of the problem before it's too late, but he waits too long, but he gets lucky anyways.
It's a similar thought process with the Darth Vader "Noooo!" as well. Vader looking back and forth was plenty for us to understand his inner struggle. His actions let us know what he decided. Instead Lucas feels the need to dub over it with a "No! No!" that makes no sense. His struggle should be inner. Would the Emperor really not notice it?
Really, what it all looks like to me is that Luas is looking at the work, thinking it's too subtle, and is trying to subtitle it so it's easier to get. Most of the offense comes from the fact that it assumes the audience wouldn't get it otherwise. He's trying to use a sledgehammer on the viewers with these kinds of small changes. They don't change what is going on, but they change the quality of the final product, in my opinion.
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Excellent point, but to be honest, I think that these subtle changes aren't that big of a deal, that they're just added for clarity, and actually somewhat clever when you think about it a certain way.
The "Han vs. Greedo" thing isn't really that big of a deal for me. Like Avistew said, Han shot Greedo because he was an obvious threat, making the edit seem pointless. However, it does somewhat fill in the plot hole of "Why didn't Greedo shoot when he had the chance to?" It was obvious that Greedo came into the the cantina with the intent to hunt down Han Solo, obviously not planning on letting him live.
Long story short, the added shot, while making Greedo seem like an amateur marksman (Even though the imperial army is full of these), does put out of mind the Reason why Greedo, who had tracked down Han with the intent of killing him when he had the chance, didn't even bother to think of pulling the trigger until it was too late.
Also, I don't see why the simple addition of "no" ruins the dramatic tension of Anakin Skywalker's final struggle. All that the "No" adds is a bit more realism. Let's look at it this way: If you had been lied to all your life, been given orders that you wouldn't have followed under normal circumstances, and now, to top it all off, your boss told your son to kill you and replace you, you would get confused if you saw him decline.
You would think to yourself, "I've traumatized him, I've tried to turn him to the dark side, I've tried to KILL him, and now he's letting me live? Why?" Before you have time to think it over, you see your boss flip out and start electrocuting your son to death. You finally realize what has been going on, and that the evil man who has been using you and lying to you for all of your miserable life is trying to kill your own flesh and blood. If you were in this position, would you keep silent, or would you let out your frustration when you finally decide enough is enough?
Just think about it for a second.
In other words, I did not read the full thread before posting.
Who cares if he has the legal right to mess with these movies?
The whole point of the thread is that it's a very *lame* thing to do, and I fully agree with that.
Do you have something you're really passionate about?
Say you really loved some modern series of games, like God of War or something like that... if they decided to release the next sequel as an educational title for little girls, would you still just accept it so easily?
I mean, it would obviously be fully within their rights to do so, but again the point would be the same - they would not be doing anything illegal but they would be doing something incredibly lame!
Regardless of how you feel about Lucas' changes to these movies - why bother bringing up the fact that Lucas has the legal right to make them? I doubt anyone here didn't already know that, and it's obviously not what the thread is about.
If you like the changes, fine - argue in defense of them. There's little point in talking about Lucas' legal rights to do whatever he damn well pleases.
Oh and also - this is one of the arguments I often hear in defense of various annoying DRM schemes used for games these days... people will say it's their right to use whatever DRM they want, it's their property... as if what was being discussed were the legalities of it, which it hardly ever is.
I think we can all agree that George Lucas is a very self-centred man. He'll make his changes, which he's perfectly within his rights to do as many have said, but without a care as to how anybody else feels about it or who gets the short end of the deal. It's almost admirable. He reminds me of William Shatner in a way...
No.
Jabba coming to see Han in ANH is stupid and pointless but I can tolerate it. Changing the Anakin force ghost to Hayden is stupid and forces too many questions but I can tolerate it.
One thing (among several) I can't tolerate is that damn Jedi Rocks song. It's the one thing about the whole saga (including the prequels) that I hate most.
Also, one wonders how long it has been since the people on here who don't understand the need for including the originals have gone without recently watching them.
This is a Special Edition, touch up version. There is no Star Wars original cut to Blu Ray edition to complain about. Seriously did you really expect one from George?
People are complaining that a wagon doesn't use square wheels!
The fact that there is no original cut Blu Ray edition is exactly what we're complaining about. If there was one we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your post makes no sense. And no, we're not complaining a wagon doesn't use square wheels. We're complaining that a wagon is now using modern black walls when we want the wooden ones back. It's overkill. There's been enough changes to warrant two versions. Like I said, minor aesthetics and extending scenes like Mos Eisely are fine, but changing whole musical numbers, replacing actors, adding lines for greater (too much) exposition, etc is just ridiculous. These are things we loved about the originals that we can never see anymore. Why can't they get some love too?
Made sense to me, and I think I've went full circle with you. Thanks for sharing.
I do love Star Wars, but I don't know...I mean he really is just another human being who rose to success, owns his own film company and can do any project he wants. We can all hope in the future he releases the original cuts on Bluray...
I don't know...
Peace, everyone.
Peace, everyone.
It makes me wonder if there's ever been anyone in Lucas' cadre of yes-men that surround him to stand up to him on some of this stuff. Yes, he owns it, but there is plenty of making-of footage from the prequels that show him "brainstorming" with Rick McCallum, etc. I wonder if there have been even worse changes that people have talked him out of.
Do you guys also complain there?
I don't mind most changes, except for Hayden at the end of VI. But I am going to watch my "aweful laser-thingied" DVD tonight to see what all the fuss's about, got interested... Geeh, sounds like how game development is done these days. It's called "streamlining" or "dumbing down"... No wonder George figures out we need it more clarified with all the morons these days.
Sollution of "not buying" seems to be too difficult too...
Most game patches either fix bugs, which obviously isn't an issue movies have, or add new content. Adding new content isn't likely to offend anyone. I'm not going to be upset that World of Warcraft has a new dungeon to play through, or that there's a few new hats for me to wear in Team Fortress.
Likewise, the "controversy" here isn't with adding new content. I don't hear many people upset that Lucas added in the Jabba and Biggs scenes that were originally cut from A New Hope when the Special Editions came out. Most people that I know that own the Lord of the Rings films own the extended editions.
The controversy comes from altering what was already there. To use both a patching and Star Wars example, go look for opinions from Star Wars Galaxies players about the New Game Enhancements patch that drastically altered the gameplay. You're not going to find a lot of love there.
Altering scenes from the movie, and then refusing to provide people the chance to buy the originals instead, would be equivalent to Nintendo changing levels of Super Mario Bros., putting Super Mario Bros.: Special Edition! on the Wii Virtual Console, and then refusing to sell the original as well. You can make the argument to "go play your original NES cart," but a lot of those don't work anymore, and kids who are too young to have had one are stuck. You can make the argument that we can all just watch our Star Wars VHS tapes forever, but what happens when the tape gives out, or when our VCRs no longer work?
Simply put, people do not want things they love to go away forever. Lucas can make all the changes he wants, and nobody would have a problem with that, if he wasn't doing it while simultaneously refusing (for no good reason!) to provide us with the old school as well.
I like that analogy.
Especially since I lent my NES and games to my second-cousin several years ago and haven't seen it since, so I can't play SMB on my old NES anymore.
You've just reminded me about the Goldeneye N64 vs Goldeneye Wii issue.
Basically this. Every other movie franchise out there that has multiple cuts bundles all of them together in one package, or sells an alternate special edition with the new features. This is the norm. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example. And Blade Runner. It's just irritating that George isn't playing ball and offering everything.
The original wasn't available on SNES and all George Lucas did was change the graphics for his movie.
Also, this
Have even watched the original version of the Star Wars OT?
He did a hell of a lot more than improve the graphics, and he didn't even do that properly. If you pay attention to Adywan's fanedit he points out that the SE version on DVD all have this blue tint to them throughout the entire trilogy.
A blue tint is an effect. I do agree about the music, though. (Jedi Rocks made my ears bleed.)
It's not an effect, it's a flaw in the update. It's persistent throughout.
Also, would you call Jedi Rocks; Hayden as a force ghost; and Greedo shooting first simple graphical updates? No.
I'm pretty sure the blue tint was intentional. Also, the force ghost and Greedo shooting first were basically graphical updates, because it doesn't effect the story. Just like how Mario went from 8 bit to 16 bit.