Got past the 3rd dungeon last night in Hero Mode. So far, I've died twice in Hero mode, and once was to a hoarde of bokoblins.
I find the key to Hero Mode is to always have potions on hand and especially to not be hesitant about flying back to town to sit on a bench for a while. (Seriously, in the second dungeon, I left twice to fly back to town. If you drop over the bazaar, it lands you right next to a bench.)
Also, I'm really getting very used to flying. I might have previosuly said that I didn't like it that much, but I realized that I should time shaking my Remote in rhythm with my bird's wings and now I fly a whole lot better. As Kotaku says: you flail, you fail.
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One another topic, Four Swords Adventures is the only Zelda game that I bought but never completed, having returned it to GameStop before the 7-day-no-questions-asked policy expired. I didn't like that the gameplay was segmented into what seemed like worlds and levels akin to Super Mario Bros. Also, I didn't like only being able to carry one secondary item at a time, such that if I wanted bombs, I'd have to give up my fire staff.
It just didn't feel like the Zelda that I'm used to, so I returned it.
Don't be an idiot, Shodan. It was a very clever thing to do. You can get very unique new ideas by playing other songs backwards. A lot of famous musicians have done it. I've done it. You can get some interesting results. And who's to say that's all they're going to be doing now? It's not like they've completely given up on originality (I argue that it's still original). It's not like it's the exact same chord progression in reverse. It's a completely new arrangement with only the lead intact as playing backwards. That's pretty innovative if you can do that effectively, which is exactly what was done here.
One thing that is annoying me about Skyward Sword is the wiimote batteries. I've had the low battery symbol flashing at me in the corner for around 5 hours now. I do not consider 5 hours to be low battery!
Why compose new music when you can just reverse old music and add accompaniments to it? Soon, every new song in Nintendo games will just be backwards old songs.
SHODAN, I've never had to ask someone not to post in a thread, but then I've also never seen someone so aggressively negative. Cut it out or stop posting in here.
Don't be an idiot, Shodan. It was a very clever thing to do. You can get very unique new ideas by playing other songs backwards. A lot of famous musicians have done it. I've done it. You can get some interesting results. And who's to say that's all they're going to be doing now? It's not like they've completely given up on originality (I argue that it's still original). It's not like it's the exact same chord progression in reverse. It's a completely new arrangement with only the lead intact as playing backwards. That's pretty innovative if you can do that effectively, which is exactly what was done here.
I'd imagine with the restrictions of having to use a preset melody it would actually be quite challenging to come up with a coherent and original piece, you can't simply change a note if it doesn't flow the way you want it.
On a related note, is anybody else slightly put off by Link's constant violence against all the animals in the world in this game? Link basically attacks or captures anything that doesn't talk. That's basically always been the case in Zelda games, so I'm not sure why it's just starting to bother me now, but I think it's because many of the enemies in this game seem much more recognizable as "animals" rather than "monsters."
I think it was this part that really bugged me. That's an adorable animal that seeks only to hide from you and defend itself, and the player is forced to go out of his way to destroy it in order to progress. And then later in the game there are these
huge, majestic birds, and you whip them out of the sky and beat them with your sword
. At least those ones are actually trying to kill you, so I guess it's fair.
I'm not really making this a complaint against the game, I just think it's kind of funny and weird how Link just goes around murdering everything that moves, and that the implications of doing so aren't ever really addressed. It also makes me wonder whether or not the concept of a "stealth/pacifist route" that has started to show up in some genres of games could ever be implemented as in future Zelda games, or if having that option would be totally incompatible with the game structure.
SHODAN, I've never had to ask someone not to post in a thread, but then I've also never seen someone so aggressively negative. Cut it out or stop posting in here.
Breaking news: Only positive opinions are allowed in any thread ever made henceforth.
Breaking news: Only positive opinions are allowed in any thread ever made henceforth.
Would you please stop that?
What do you hope to gain by being such a jerk around here? It's one thing to have constructive criticism. It's another to hang around in a thread where people want to talk about something that they mutually enjoy, just to piss and moan for no other reason than to make yourself heard.
We're trying to have pleasant and interesting conversation around here. You are allowed a negative opinion about things, but if you can't be civil about it , then please just go somewhere else.
Why? You don't have a GameCube with a GameBoy Player?
I do. And I'll be going between that and my DS Lite to play it once I finish a few more games. But having it permanently stored on my 3DS would also be awesome. You're talking to the guy who owns Ocarina of Time in five formats (N64 cart, GCN Master Quest disc, GCN Collector's Edition, Virtual Console, and 3DS).
Breaking news: Only positive opinions are allowed in any thread ever made henceforth.
Did I say that? Negative comments only become a problem when they're made persistently, aggressively, and without being constructive. There's multiple instances in this thread where you've taken a position on an argument, ignored anybody speaking against you, and repeated your point in reply without adding anything to it. This isn't the first time Alan or the mod team has spoken about this sort of thing, it's just the first time that we've had to say it to you. You can have your negative opinions, but keep it constructive or take it somewhere else.
I've only read the last few pages of this thread but I felt that Shodan's criticisms were valid. That's not to say that Zelda sucks because let's face it, it's awesome. However, nothing's perfect.
Did I say that? Negative comments only become a problem when they're made persistently, aggressively, and without being constructive. There's multiple instances in this thread where you've taken a position on an argument, ignored anybody speaking against you, and repeated your point in reply without adding anything to it. This isn't the first time Alan or the mod team has spoken about this sort of thing, it's just the first time that we've had to say it to you. You can have your negative opinions, but keep it constructive or take it somewhere else.
When have I ignored anybody speaking against me? Or repeated anything without adding anything to it? You clearly haven't been reading my posts if you think that any of what you just said is even close to accurate. I have 20+ posts in this thread, about various different topics, and containing multiple responses to various points made by various people.
There is no reason to be flaunting your mod permissions to intimidate me out of posting here.
On topic: I love The Minish Cap and my 3DS will soon love it also.
Did I threaten ban time or anything of the sort? Initially, I was just trying to ask politely for you to tone it down, and I'm sorry if it came off as anything more than that. I'm not a warden, I'm just a peacekeeper.
He's not flaunting mod permissions. He's asking you to stop being "aggressively negative." This is to say: first you were complaining about motion controls and then arguing with others as though your word is law; then, when people (eg. Guru) were commenting that this thread was slightly too spoilery about Skyward Sword even without clicking spoiler tags), you complained and then argued about why the story in any Zelda game is as "thin as a sheet of paper," and had an overall attitude that since you cared nothing for Zelda's story, neither should anyone else; then, when I pointed out that The Ballad of the Goddess is Zelda's Lullaby backwards (which I think is quite clever), you arrogantly complained, saying "Soon, every new song in Nintendo games will just be backwards old songs."
How are people supposed to enjoy talking to others about their mutual interest in Zelda when someone is repeatedly being an arrogant jerk toward them?
When have I ignored anybody speaking against me? Or repeated anything without adding anything to it? You clearly haven't been reading my posts if you think that any of what you just said is even close to accurate. I have 20+ posts in this thread, about various different topics, and containing multiple responses to various points made by various people.
There is no reason to be flaunting your mod permissions to intimidate me out of posting here.
On topic: I love The Minish Cap and my 3DS will soon love it also.
Nobody's trying to intimidate you, you just don't seem to UAE any self awareness concerning your jackassery. That's ok, I used to not realize it either in my online persona, but persistent negativity about every point and insistence on your point of view in absolutes is borderline gaucherie.
Replaying The Minish Cap recently made me reeeeallly want to see a top-down, 2-D, sprite-art Zelda game done in HD. Miyamoto's comments about a LttP-style game on the 3DS are along the right lines, but not quite what I'd want to see.
Nobody's trying to intimidate you, you just don't seem to UAE any self awareness concerning your jackassery. That's ok, I used to not realize it either in my online persona, but persistent negativity about every point and insistence on your point of view in absolutes is borderline gaucherie.
I don't sugar coat my opinions because I assume people are intelligent enough to realize that they are, in fact, opinions. I'm not going to put disclaimers and rephrase all of my thoughts just because someone may misread my intentions. If this were an audio chat, I highly doubt anyone would mistake my demeanor for "aggressive negativity".
If I weren't a fan of Zelda games, I wouldn't be here in the first place. I just find it more productive to discuss elements that I dislike or could be improved than to just sing praises of it and ignore things that don't work for me. Mutual gushing is hardly going to be an interesting or enjoyable conversation. This thread is newer than the Skyrim one, and already has far more posts, because the topics have been engaging. You're welcome.
This thread is newer than the Skyrim one, and already has far more posts, because the topics have been engaging. You're welcome.
Ahahahahaa! You aul bastid ye.
I can see why people get a bit bent out of shape when you express your opinions, you adore talking in definite terms, I talk you with a grain of salt just.
Apart from the backwards song thing, that was just full-on stupid.
The skyrim thread had more posts, until it took an arrow to the knee.
In the spirit of airing our grievances, I do think it's about time for a new "inside somebody's house" theme. The nostalgia seems to have worn off on that one after such constant reuse. It's still pretty but you'd think they could have at least arranged an interesting new mix of it.
The skyrim thread had more posts, until it took an arrow to the knee.
In the spirit of airing our grievances, I do think it's about time for a new "inside somebody's house" theme. The nostalgia seems to have worn off on that one after such constant reuse. It's still pretty but you'd think they could have at least arranged an interesting new mix of it.
I have to agree with this one, that is getting rather old.
I don't sugar coat my opinions because I assume people are intelligent enough to realize that they are, in fact, opinions. I'm not going to put disclaimers and rephrase all of my thoughts just because someone may misread my intentions. If this were an audio chat, I highly doubt anyone would mistake my demeanor for "aggressive negativity".
If I weren't a fan of Zelda games, I wouldn't be here in the first place. I just find it more productive to discuss elements that I dislike or could be improved than to just sing praises of it and ignore things that don't work for me. Mutual gushing is hardly going to be an interesting or enjoyable conversation. This thread is newer than the Skyrim one, and already has far more posts, because the topics have been engaging. You're welcome.
Get over what? The fact that analog controls are far more responsive? It's inarguable. It's not a matter of opinion.
Wait, what? I find the motion controls of Skyward Sword to be quite responsive and intuitive. Your opinion that it's fact that analog sticks are better doesn't fit with your previous statement.
I'm not going to put disclaimers and rephrase all of my thoughts just because someone may misread my intentions. If this were an audio chat, I highly doubt anyone would mistake my demeanor for "aggressive negativity".
This is not audio chat; the majority of what you've said in here are complaints; and you've complained rather arrogantly (define arrogance: "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride") and repeatedly about the three topics (so far) of discussion which I previously pointed out, if you don't count arguing about arguing.
This thread is newer than the Skyrim one, and already has far more posts, because the topics have been engaging. You're welcome.
Did I mention that your repeated arguing was all about only three topics? I also seem to recall people posting that they were getting tired of arguing about motion controls.
I just find it more productive to discuss elements that I dislike or could be improved
This isn't a Nintendo Support forum. They're not going to read this, and whatever you say in here will not affect their decisions. With that in mind, the "productivity" level of the conversation is a moot point as it has no effect on future products.
No one likes to listen to someone sit around and complain. I had a friend who would talk about little more than to complain at length about various things, and you know what? I hardly hang out with him any more. In order to make friends with people, you have to be friendly. You don't have to be bubbly, consistently positive or always agree, but you do need to learn to have a friendly attitude.
Saying "soon, every new song in Nintendo games will just be backwards old songs" or "the story always has the depth of a sheet of paper" are polarizing statements that allow for no middle ground with with to have an opinion. They don't foster conversation, they just provoke argument.
I absolutely cannot stand the motion controls. They are awful and ruin the entire game for me.
Have you played the entire game? I doubt it.
Now, speaking for myself, I didn't create this thread to hear people complain about how crap various Zelda games are. If you're "a fan of Zelda games," then show you're a fan and don't gripe so much about it. As I said, Nintendo isn't going to read this anyway so your complaints will go unnoticed by them.
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Got past the 3rd dungeon last night in Hero Mode. So far, I've died twice in Hero mode, and once was to a hoarde of bokoblins.
I find the key to Hero Mode is to always have potions on hand and especially to not be hesitant about flying back to town to sit on a bench for a while. (Seriously, in the second dungeon, I left twice to fly back to town. If you drop over the bazaar, it lands you right next to a bench.)
Also, I'm really getting very used to flying. I might have previosuly said that I didn't like it that much, but I realized that I should time shaking my Remote in rhythm with my bird's wings and now I fly a whole lot better. As Kotaku says: you flail, you fail.
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EDIT:
One another topic, Four Swords Adventures is the only Zelda game that I bought but never completed, having returned it to GameStop before the 7-day-no-questions-asked policy expired. I didn't like that the gameplay was segmented into what seemed like worlds and levels akin to Super Mario Bros. Also, I didn't like only being able to carry one secondary item at a time, such that if I wanted bombs, I'd have to give up my fire staff.
It just didn't feel like the Zelda that I'm used to, so I returned it.
Why? Because I think it's ridiculous that people are praising a composer for recycling a melody in the most simplistic way possible?
I do really like the game... but often (mostly) find myself wishing I could play the game with a standard game controller...
SHODAN, I've never had to ask someone not to post in a thread, but then I've also never seen someone so aggressively negative. Cut it out or stop posting in here.
I'd imagine with the restrictions of having to use a preset melody it would actually be quite challenging to come up with a coherent and original piece, you can't simply change a note if it doesn't flow the way you want it.
I may have just soiled myself. Fuck yeah! I always wanted to play Minish Cap!
Bad news. Ninty don't plan to release the GBA games on the eshop. So they say anyways.
That is all.
I think it was this part that really bugged me. That's an adorable animal that seeks only to hide from you and defend itself, and the player is forced to go out of his way to destroy it in order to progress. And then later in the game there are these
I'm not really making this a complaint against the game, I just think it's kind of funny and weird how Link just goes around murdering everything that moves, and that the implications of doing so aren't ever really addressed. It also makes me wonder whether or not the concept of a "stealth/pacifist route" that has started to show up in some genres of games could ever be implemented as in future Zelda games, or if having that option would be totally incompatible with the game structure.
And funny enough, it's Mario that PETA decided to go after.
And free Minish Cap for me! Though I wouldn't expect them to not put up the GBA games on the eShop later. That just wouldn't make sense to me.
Why? You don't have a GameCube with a GameBoy Player?
Breaking news: Only positive opinions are allowed in any thread ever made henceforth.
What do you hope to gain by being such a jerk around here? It's one thing to have constructive criticism. It's another to hang around in a thread where people want to talk about something that they mutually enjoy, just to piss and moan for no other reason than to make yourself heard.
We're trying to have pleasant and interesting conversation around here. You are allowed a negative opinion about things, but if you can't be civil about it , then please just go somewhere else.
I do. And I'll be going between that and my DS Lite to play it once I finish a few more games. But having it permanently stored on my 3DS would also be awesome. You're talking to the guy who owns Ocarina of Time in five formats (N64 cart, GCN Master Quest disc, GCN Collector's Edition, Virtual Console, and 3DS).
Did I say that? Negative comments only become a problem when they're made persistently, aggressively, and without being constructive. There's multiple instances in this thread where you've taken a position on an argument, ignored anybody speaking against you, and repeated your point in reply without adding anything to it. This isn't the first time Alan or the mod team has spoken about this sort of thing, it's just the first time that we've had to say it to you. You can have your negative opinions, but keep it constructive or take it somewhere else.
Ho hum.
When have I ignored anybody speaking against me? Or repeated anything without adding anything to it? You clearly haven't been reading my posts if you think that any of what you just said is even close to accurate. I have 20+ posts in this thread, about various different topics, and containing multiple responses to various points made by various people.
There is no reason to be flaunting your mod permissions to intimidate me out of posting here.
On topic: I love The Minish Cap and my 3DS will soon love it also.
How are people supposed to enjoy talking to others about their mutual interest in Zelda when someone is repeatedly being an arrogant jerk toward them?
Nobody's trying to intimidate you, you just don't seem to UAE any self awareness concerning your jackassery. That's ok, I used to not realize it either in my online persona, but persistent negativity about every point and insistence on your point of view in absolutes is borderline gaucherie.
...Because they have multiple systems out right now, so putting games out on all of them makes sense?
I don't sugar coat my opinions because I assume people are intelligent enough to realize that they are, in fact, opinions. I'm not going to put disclaimers and rephrase all of my thoughts just because someone may misread my intentions. If this were an audio chat, I highly doubt anyone would mistake my demeanor for "aggressive negativity".
If I weren't a fan of Zelda games, I wouldn't be here in the first place. I just find it more productive to discuss elements that I dislike or could be improved than to just sing praises of it and ignore things that don't work for me. Mutual gushing is hardly going to be an interesting or enjoyable conversation. This thread is newer than the Skyrim one, and already has far more posts, because the topics have been engaging. You're welcome.
Ahahahahaa! You aul bastid ye.
I can see why people get a bit bent out of shape when you express your opinions, you adore talking in definite terms, I talk you with a grain of salt just.
Apart from the backwards song thing, that was just full-on stupid.
In the spirit of airing our grievances, I do think it's about time for a new "inside somebody's house" theme. The nostalgia seems to have worn off on that one after such constant reuse. It's still pretty but you'd think they could have at least arranged an interesting new mix of it.
I have to agree with this one, that is getting rather old.
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/2011/12/nintendo-of-japan-is-releasing-the-zelda-historia/#more-27979
DO WANT!!!
Nobody likes talking to an asshole though.
Hmm...
Wait, what? I find the motion controls of Skyward Sword to be quite responsive and intuitive. Your opinion that it's fact that analog sticks are better doesn't fit with your previous statement.
This is not audio chat; the majority of what you've said in here are complaints; and you've complained rather arrogantly (define arrogance: "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride") and repeatedly about the three topics (so far) of discussion which I previously pointed out, if you don't count arguing about arguing.
Did I mention that your repeated arguing was all about only three topics? I also seem to recall people posting that they were getting tired of arguing about motion controls.
This isn't a Nintendo Support forum. They're not going to read this, and whatever you say in here will not affect their decisions. With that in mind, the "productivity" level of the conversation is a moot point as it has no effect on future products.
No one likes to listen to someone sit around and complain. I had a friend who would talk about little more than to complain at length about various things, and you know what? I hardly hang out with him any more. In order to make friends with people, you have to be friendly. You don't have to be bubbly, consistently positive or always agree, but you do need to learn to have a friendly attitude.
Saying "soon, every new song in Nintendo games will just be backwards old songs" or "the story always has the depth of a sheet of paper" are polarizing statements that allow for no middle ground with with to have an opinion. They don't foster conversation, they just provoke argument.
Also: Have you played the entire game? I doubt it.
Now, speaking for myself, I didn't create this thread to hear people complain about how crap various Zelda games are. If you're "a fan of Zelda games," then show you're a fan and don't gripe so much about it. As I said, Nintendo isn't going to read this anyway so your complaints will go unnoticed by them.
Can we move on now?
Also yaaaaay Minish Cap!