My Lee is the kind of guy who does anything to protect the group. I tried to save Larry because he was from our group and I knew he was reliable. He didn't tell the others who I was and despite he tried to get rid of me once I knew he wouldn't try to hurt me anymore. Still I couldn't let Danny go away. I knew he would die anyway but I was sending a message. To anybody who would try to hurt my group and to the group itself. I'm the leader and I will do ANYTHING to protect the people I care about. After that I killed Andy. It was a sad scene and I felt it needed a closure. We needed to know for sure that it's over!
I wanted Clem to feel safe.
When we found the food I said we are getting it. I don't consider it stealing because no one was guarding it and the owners are most probably dead. In a zombie apocalypse anything left unattended is ripe for the taking. Clem needs to understand that the well-being of our group and survival are the most important things now. It's good that I have Carley, Lilly and probably Ben to keep her safe too. If somebody comes to hurt my group because of the food or not, they wil have to go through Lee first.
I think it will be less of a playable situational consequence and more of one that shapes Clementine and how she views the world.
If you leave the food, you are reinforcing her belief that stealing is never okay.
If you take the food, she gets the impression that stealing is okay. You can then try to make her understand that this is not completely a wrong or right issue, and perhaps reinforce that sometimes the right thing to do IS (morally) wrong.
Expect from player's viewpoint there is no moral problem once he realizes that car's owner is dead (assuming he pays actual attention to storyline). However characters don't know that.
Clord, I regard myself as a person who pays attention to the story and yet I don't know who's car it was...
There was the theory that is was Jolene's car (crazy lady with the crossbow's) car due to an odd shot from the camera video. We do never know why she was away from camp during our search of it. But watching the video again, I realize the odd shot was of the bottom of the tent, not the beige seats of the vehicle.
I've played the game 4 times through and have found no info on who's car it was. Taking the food was based on rationalized assumptions about what happened to the owner and the fact that your group is slowly starving to death.
I took the food, though it was a difficult choice to make. I stressed to Clem we werent the same as the bandits because we didnt know for a fact we were stealing from people who were still alive. Odds are the people who owned that car are either dead or have fled the area.
I didnt kill either of the St John brothers prior to that, so she was still pretty trusting of Lee upto that point. I'm hoping this one incident wont do too much damage trust wise.
why does doug offer batteries to clem ? and still walkey talkey is broked...stupid doug..
Because having the walkie talkie, especially in a working condition, gave Clem a phychological link to her parents. She could make pretend that she could still talk to them, even though there gone. Its comforting to her.
It was nice of Doug to make that gesture for her, even though he could probably use those batteries himself for a more practical use.
You know how the bandits attacked saying that the St. John's had broken their deal.
And jolene was conspicuously missing from her camp.
And then there was an empty car.
My theory is thus.
Jolene went to put the bandits against the St. John's because that would keep the bandits not looking at the Lee camp at the motel. She did this by procuring a car and going off to steal supplies from the bandits. OR... The bandits were using the car to pick up some of the food from the St. John's and she hijacked it. The blackmail (food) was never delivered so the bandits assumed the St. John's stopped the deal.
Either way, Jolene is nuts and probably having accomplished her one lucid goal, wandered off from the car of loot she had just stopped from reaching the bandits.
She may have lured the driving bandit away with a little free sex and killed him in the bushes. He was thinking he'd be right back....
but i got the impression the walkie needs actually fixing not just batteries..
the car methinks is just one of those things that has no explanation it is just there as a plot device to move past the whole hunger and supply issue..
but i got the impression the walkie needs actually fixing not just batteries..
the car methinks is just one of those things that has no explanation it is just there as a plot device to move past the whole hunger and supply issue..
hopefully ep3 will bring closure..
Yeah, she fell on it and broke it. She never said the battery dies. I think it's just a set up for a walkie talkie repair come episode 3. Either way, I find it so odd that Clem refuses the food and the hoodie, but doesn't balk at accepting batteries that do nothing for her walkie talkie.
Episode 3 has to at least mention the car, even if they never explain why it was there. I just think my Jolene theory is thus far the most plausible. Only a crazy person would leave a car full of loot. And Jolene is crazy. PErhaps I'm biased, though, cuz it is my baby theory.
I honestly think the owners of the car are dead. Why would anyone leave the car and everything in it unguarded and unlocked? I was scared it was going to be a trap and bandit would pop up and take everything we own.
I had to back up Clementine though. Just because the world is messed up and gone crazy doesn't mean she has to give up on doing what's right. Even today when things are not so desperate people lock their cars.
You know how the bandits attacked saying that the St. John's had broken their deal.
And jolene was conspicuously missing from her camp.
And then there was an empty car.
My theory is thus.
Jolene went to put the bandits against the St. John's because that would keep the bandits not looking at the Lee camp at the motel. She did this by procuring a car and going off to steal supplies from the bandits. OR... The bandits were using the car to pick up some of the food from the St. John's and she hijacked it. The blackmail (food) was never delivered so the bandits assumed the St. John's stopped the deal.
That would explain why the bandits attacked the dairy raving about a broken deal, why Jole had dairy boxes in her camp, and why there's a child-sized hoodie in the car (Jole had a kid daughter). Well done!
I honestly think the owners of the car are dead. Why would anyone leave the car and everything in it unguarded and unlocked? I was scared it was going to be a trap and bandit would pop up and take everything we own.
I had to back up Clementine though. Just because the world is messed up and gone crazy doesn't mean she has to give up on doing what's right. Even today when things are not so desperate people lock their cars.
Well in comics one guy actually leaves a car FULL of supplies and fuel, and he suicides into zombies just because he was alone. (Ironically he finds people right before zombies start eating him and calls for help and gets eaten ^^)
That would explain why the bandits attacked the dairy raving about a broken deal, why Jole had dairy boxes in her camp, and why there's a child-sized hoodie in the car (Jole had a kid daughter). Well done!
Timing is pretty good, too, because the battery only had a few hours to keep lights on in this theory. After the trip to Jolene's camp, you proceed to snoop the barn, have a dinner scene, meat locker, then walk back, rather than it being on for possibly all day and such.
So far, my only disappointment was the impact of choices in the game. Choices did not matter as far as the survivability of the group was concerned.
I agree. Choices are basically reactionary, and haven't really had any dramatic effects. I want to see a bad choice that leaves someone dead, instead of someone dying because I'm stuck between saving them or another person.
I took the food. It wasn't smart leaving a trunk full of food and supplies unguarded.
I also made sure Clem knew that we weren't like the bandits because we didn't hurt anybody to get it. Sure it's wrong to steal but I have the group to think about.
I dunno. I didn't take the food, because I didn't want to p*** off Clem, though after I had finished, I realised that taking the food isn't so bad, because you are just trying to feed the group, rather than starve. I was tempted, to play the last bit again, but that would be considered cheating, and it's better to play it through instinct...what I feel to be the right choice at the time.
I took the food. It wasn't smart leaving a trunk full of food and supplies unguarded.
I also made sure Clem knew that we weren't like the bandits because we didn't hurt anybody to get it. Sure it's wrong to steal but I have the group to think about.
I believe only half of the group refused the food. Clem, Lilly, and Ben refused, while Kenny's family was adamant about taking it.
I think its the bandits car. At the beginning of the episode when they are going to the St. Johns Farm and they run into the two bandits that were arguing. I don't really recall what was said, but I thought they were arguing about missing food or other items and one of them was being a smart ass and said they ate the food or something like that just before he was murdered. So I think the car might be what the bandits were fighting over.
Just a thought, or maybe I'm remembering the scene wrong.
Something about the hoodie being red reminds me of the red shirts in Star Trek, The logo says Brooklin I think so you could argue its not unique enough to be a one off that someone may recognise. Eiether way I'll take the safe option and leave it.
personally i think that it was either the bandit's car or they just found it and left it there to get more people to help grab supplies from it, since we saw one get shot at the ending of Episode 2, but who knows maybe he saw Lee and his team and wanted to raid his place for food.
It's a wonder really.
well bandits or rapist monsters fromt he save lots most likely redneck inbreds.
aren't smart enough to work out they are cannibals via the st johns or to shoot arrows at a tractor or to leave a car with supplies alone near said farm ?
oh wait they are..
yeah and then they pick on our group ?
hope we get to shoot one like jolene / maybe torture another..
I actually WAS going to get the food, but then Clementine mentioned the word "steal" and it just softened my heart. I mean, it's not stealing if no one owns it. And nobody seemed to own it.
But yeah, so I ended up not stealing. At least I got a cute scene with Clem & Lee looking at everyone while they pick up the food.
But I don't really think that it is going to be any consequence. I don't know, maybe in the begining of ep3 they're eating. And if you haven't stole the food, you just are a little away of everyone. Then Lilly or Kenny( depending of which one you sided with) will appear with some food and offer you his or her part. Then you can choose to accept it, refuse it, give it to Clem or share with 'em. Especially if you sided with Lilly, because she doesn't have anyone to count with and might be trying to be cool with Lee.
I actually WAS going to get the food, but then Clementine mentioned the word "steal" and it just softened my heart. I mean, it's not stealing if no one owns it. And nobody seemed to own it.
Man don't let that bother you..she just learned that word the day before the zombies attacked.
Man don't let that bother you..she just learned that word the day before the zombies attacked.
Yeah, I know... But have you ever looked at her eyes? I don't know, t'was a weak moment. It's like when your parents do something wrong in front of you, and when you confront them, they justify it. But it's weird because you learned that doing this is wrong... Know what I mean?
At least I thought that she might have felt like this. Even if it wasn't stealing.
In my first playthrough I didn't take the food. Clementine and Lilly made very good points. However, in my second playthrough, I kept the following in mind:
1. Only 4 people out of the remaining 8 got to eat that day. Many others, including myself, hadn't even for several days. Even the ones who did get fed didn't get anything substantial. If I was going on a few days without food I would take it anyway - that person obviously wasn't starving.
2. Personally, I would never do what that person did with their car. They didn't have the foresight to get spare cans of gas? I would pay extremely close attention to my gas tank and, if it got dangerously low, I would use the last of my gasoline to hide the vehicle somewhere and then go on foot. The car was left unattended in the middle of a road, with the doors open, the lights on, and the keys in the ignition. How dumb can you be? And, to quote Dr. John: if I don't do it, somebody else will.
When I first saw it, I thought it was an ambush. Then I wished for an option to wait to see if anyone came back - then you get all the supplies AND extra manpower. There wasn't even an option to only take some of the supplies. I really hated how black and white this decision was. I was surprised at how quickly we were pushed through this scene.
Everyone else is going to do what it takes to survive. Morality is important and stealing is wrong, but doing something wrong so that you don't die is justified.
In my first playthrough I didn't take the food. Clementine and Lilly made very good points. However, in my second playthrough, I kept the following in mind:
1. Only 4 people out of the remaining 8 got to eat that day. Many others, including myself, hadn't even for several days. Even the ones who did get fed didn't get anything substantial. If I was going on a few days without food I would take it anyway - that person obviously wasn't starving.
2. Personally, I would never do what that person did with their car. They didn't have the foresight to get spare cans of gas? I would pay extremely close attention to my gas tank and, if it got dangerously low, I would use the last of my gasoline to hide the vehicle somewhere and then go on foot. The car was left unattended in the middle of a road, with the doors open, the lights on, and the keys in the ignition. How dumb can you be? And, to quote Dr. John: if I don't do it, somebody else will.
When I first saw it, I thought it was an ambush. Then I wished for an option to wait to see if anyone came back - then you get all the supplies AND extra manpower. There wasn't even an option to only take some of the supplies. I really hated how black and white this decision was. I was surprised at how quickly we were pushed through this scene.
Everyone else is going to do what it takes to survive. Morality is important and stealing is wrong, but doing something wrong so that you don't die is justified.
Don't forget about the part where there was extra food at the motor inn. That could have held off Lee, Clem, and Lilly for a couple days until they raided Macon for one last supply hunt.
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I couldn't help but laugh at Doug for that. "Hey Clem, want some batteries. Hmm hmm?" like they were some popular children's toy.
I wanted Clem to feel safe.
When we found the food I said we are getting it. I don't consider it stealing because no one was guarding it and the owners are most probably dead. In a zombie apocalypse anything left unattended is ripe for the taking. Clem needs to understand that the well-being of our group and survival are the most important things now. It's good that I have Carley, Lilly and probably Ben to keep her safe too. If somebody comes to hurt my group because of the food or not, they wil have to go through Lee first.
Expect from player's viewpoint there is no moral problem once he realizes that car's owner is dead (assuming he pays actual attention to storyline). However characters don't know that.
There was the theory that is was Jolene's car (crazy lady with the crossbow's) car due to an odd shot from the camera video. We do never know why she was away from camp during our search of it. But watching the video again, I realize the odd shot was of the bottom of the tent, not the beige seats of the vehicle.
I've played the game 4 times through and have found no info on who's car it was. Taking the food was based on rationalized assumptions about what happened to the owner and the fact that your group is slowly starving to death.
I didnt kill either of the St John brothers prior to that, so she was still pretty trusting of Lee upto that point. I'm hoping this one incident wont do too much damage trust wise.
Because having the walkie talkie, especially in a working condition, gave Clem a phychological link to her parents. She could make pretend that she could still talk to them, even though there gone. Its comforting to her.
It was nice of Doug to make that gesture for her, even though he could probably use those batteries himself for a more practical use.
You know how the bandits attacked saying that the St. John's had broken their deal.
And jolene was conspicuously missing from her camp.
And then there was an empty car.
My theory is thus.
Jolene went to put the bandits against the St. John's because that would keep the bandits not looking at the Lee camp at the motel. She did this by procuring a car and going off to steal supplies from the bandits. OR... The bandits were using the car to pick up some of the food from the St. John's and she hijacked it. The blackmail (food) was never delivered so the bandits assumed the St. John's stopped the deal.
Either way, Jolene is nuts and probably having accomplished her one lucid goal, wandered off from the car of loot she had just stopped from reaching the bandits.
She may have lured the driving bandit away with a little free sex and killed him in the bushes. He was thinking he'd be right back....
the car methinks is just one of those things that has no explanation it is just there as a plot device to move past the whole hunger and supply issue..
hopefully ep3 will bring closure..
Yeah, she fell on it and broke it. She never said the battery dies. I think it's just a set up for a walkie talkie repair come episode 3. Either way, I find it so odd that Clem refuses the food and the hoodie, but doesn't balk at accepting batteries that do nothing for her walkie talkie.
Episode 3 has to at least mention the car, even if they never explain why it was there. I just think my Jolene theory is thus far the most plausible. Only a crazy person would leave a car full of loot. And Jolene is crazy. PErhaps I'm biased, though, cuz it is my baby theory.
I had to back up Clementine though. Just because the world is messed up and gone crazy doesn't mean she has to give up on doing what's right. Even today when things are not so desperate people lock their cars.
That would explain why the bandits attacked the dairy raving about a broken deal, why Jole had dairy boxes in her camp, and why there's a child-sized hoodie in the car (Jole had a kid daughter). Well done!
Well in comics one guy actually leaves a car FULL of supplies and fuel, and he suicides into zombies just because he was alone. (Ironically he finds people right before zombies start eating him and calls for help and gets eaten ^^)
Timing is pretty good, too, because the battery only had a few hours to keep lights on in this theory. After the trip to Jolene's camp, you proceed to snoop the barn, have a dinner scene, meat locker, then walk back, rather than it being on for possibly all day and such.
I agree. Choices are basically reactionary, and haven't really had any dramatic effects. I want to see a bad choice that leaves someone dead, instead of someone dying because I'm stuck between saving them or another person.
Assumption made based on camera's footage. Until it is properly explained by the storyline, assumptions can be made.
I also made sure Clem knew that we weren't like the bandits because we didn't hurt anybody to get it. Sure it's wrong to steal but I have the group to think about.
I believe only half of the group refused the food. Clem, Lilly, and Ben refused, while Kenny's family was adamant about taking it.
Ben took a Box, Lilly took a Box, so...
Oh well. At least they were opposed to it when they found the car.
Just a thought, or maybe I'm remembering the scene wrong.
That is why I didn't steal from the car too, since she did say that it could be someones car.
It's a wonder really.
aren't smart enough to work out they are cannibals via the st johns or to shoot arrows at a tractor or to leave a car with supplies alone near said farm ?
oh wait they are..
yeah and then they pick on our group ?
hope we get to shoot one like jolene / maybe torture another..
But yeah, so I ended up not stealing. At least I got a cute scene with Clem & Lee looking at everyone while they pick up the food.
But I don't really think that it is going to be any consequence. I don't know, maybe in the begining of ep3 they're eating. And if you haven't stole the food, you just are a little away of everyone. Then Lilly or Kenny( depending of which one you sided with) will appear with some food and offer you his or her part. Then you can choose to accept it, refuse it, give it to Clem or share with 'em. Especially if you sided with Lilly, because she doesn't have anyone to count with and might be trying to be cool with Lee.
Man don't let that bother you..she just learned that word the day before the zombies attacked.
Yeah, I know... But have you ever looked at her eyes? I don't know, t'was a weak moment. It's like when your parents do something wrong in front of you, and when you confront them, they justify it. But it's weird because you learned that doing this is wrong... Know what I mean?
At least I thought that she might have felt like this. Even if it wasn't stealing.
off with your legs !
clem is smart enough to know stealing is wrong ...
1. Only 4 people out of the remaining 8 got to eat that day. Many others, including myself, hadn't even for several days. Even the ones who did get fed didn't get anything substantial. If I was going on a few days without food I would take it anyway - that person obviously wasn't starving.
2. Personally, I would never do what that person did with their car. They didn't have the foresight to get spare cans of gas? I would pay extremely close attention to my gas tank and, if it got dangerously low, I would use the last of my gasoline to hide the vehicle somewhere and then go on foot. The car was left unattended in the middle of a road, with the doors open, the lights on, and the keys in the ignition. How dumb can you be? And, to quote Dr. John: if I don't do it, somebody else will.
When I first saw it, I thought it was an ambush. Then I wished for an option to wait to see if anyone came back - then you get all the supplies AND extra manpower. There wasn't even an option to only take some of the supplies. I really hated how black and white this decision was. I was surprised at how quickly we were pushed through this scene.
Everyone else is going to do what it takes to survive. Morality is important and stealing is wrong, but doing something wrong so that you don't die is justified.
Don't forget about the part where there was extra food at the motor inn. That could have held off Lee, Clem, and Lilly for a couple days until they raided Macon for one last supply hunt.